England vs India | 5th Test | Oval | July 31-Aug 04 | Match Discussion

[160KPH]

I’d kill to have a coach like Brendon McCullum for the Pakistani team.

We don’t need a tactician, we need a guy who can change the culture and introduce some fearless and ruthlessness. Of course this would also require a captain who follows the same lead and I’m not sure I see any Pakistani player right now who can fit the role.

 

[mominsaigol]

If they can another match winning 189 out of him in the Ashes it’ll all have been worth it.

In my opinion, Australia is still the clearly superior Test side so you might as well take big risks.

Issue is Steve smith and the bowling trio.

Steve Smith even when completly out of form always finds a way to just come back and be a total nightmare to india and england.

He has bashed, bullied and murdered these 2 sides more then any other side in history. Prime Steve smith has won 3 games for aus vs Eng that were certified losses otherwise.

I saw that innings live. That was superhuman what he did that day.

Otherwise both sides are relatively equal. Its Cummins constantly owning root and Steve Smith being Bradman at SCG and MCG that makes the difference in Aus

 

[Rana]

I’d kill to have a coach like Brendon McCullum for the Pakistani team.

We don’t need a tactician, we need a guy who can change the culture and introduce some fearless and ruthlessness. Of course this would also require a captain who follows the same lead and I’m not sure I see any Pakistani player right now who can fit the role.

Oh bhai

You have Hesson

He is Baz McCullum’s coach. He showed him the way.

 

[160KPH]

Oh bhai

You have Hesson

He is Baz McCullum’s coach. He showed him the way.

I have to admit I’ve been very busy the last year or two so I haven’t made too much attention to cricket during that time. I just saw the news that Pakistan had changed coaches multiples times.

But if Hesson is that aggressive mentality type of coach then I support him!

 

[oatmeal]

I’d kill to have a coach like Brendon McCullum for the Pakistani team.

We don’t need a tactician, we need a guy who can change the culture and introduce some fearless and ruthlessness. Of course this would also require a captain who follows the same lead and I’m not sure I see any Pakistani player right now who can fit the role.

Culture can change when there are enough game changing players. People credit Ganguly with changing the culture of the Indian team but it also coincided when the mediocrities of the 90s gave way to a talented core

 

[batandballbattle]

Only 4 of crawley's runs have not come from boundaries

 

[160KPH]

Culture can change when there are enough game changing players. People credit Ganguly with changing the culture of the Indian team but it also coincided when the mediocrities of the 90s gave way to a talented core

You are right.

But there are also issues starting from all of the levels of Pakistani cricket that always get pointed out, but never get improved - and now I doubt they will ever be fixed to be honest.

Sometimes you need 1 leader to pave the way.

 

[160KPH]

Yaaar is it wrong that I want another wicket just so Root can come in and stack up runs and put Sachin’s record in the dirt?

 

[mominsaigol]

Yaaar is it wrong that I want another wicket just so Root can come in and stack up runs and put Sachin’s record in the dirt?

Its only day 2, root will eventually come. Let the bazzballers score

 

[kron]

Yaaar is it wrong that I want another wicket just so Root can come in and stack up runs and put Sachin’s record in the dirt?

Root will break sachins record
Easily

 

[kron]

Greatest bazballers ever.

No one like this England team.

Greatest team of all time in London pitches

 

[160KPH]

Its only day 2, root will eventually come. Let the bazzballers score

Inshallah 800 is loading along with Root double century

 

[Devadwal]

Without Bumrah india test bowling is very poor.

 

[mominsaigol]

Inshallah 800 is loading along with Root double century

Root as a test batsmen has already surpassed Ricky Ponting and Dravid. His country by country record is better then both.

Avg is lower then ponting at 51.17 but that's due to him avg 42 early in his career for the past 6 years he has been avg 58 in test consistently.

He needs to score 517 runs in Australia Ashes to be considered = to Sachin and Steve Smith though.

In terms of Runs though he will easily clear Sachin. That's for sure.

 

[Devadwal]

BUMRAH would have bundled out England below 200 on this pitch

 

[160KPH]

Root as a test batsmen has already surpassed Ricky Ponting and Dravid. His country by country record is better then both.

Avg is lower then ponting at 51.17 but that's due to him avg 42 early in his career for the past 6 years he has been avg 58 in test consistently.

He needs to score 517 runs in Australia Ashes to be considered = to Sachin and Steve Smith though.

In terms of Runs though he will easily clear Sachin. That's for sure.

Completely agree.

Especially impressive that he has maintained a 55 average in England which provides so much support for fast bowlers (maybe not as much as this summer but usually)

A couple good series in Australia and he will elevate himself even further.

Although I still think Steve Smith is in a class of his own, even above Sachin but below Bradman.

 

[160KPH]

BUMRAH would have bundled out England below 200 on this pitch

Bumrah would have had his career ended here and then sat out the next series to rest up

 

[Ahmed216]

BUMRAH would have bundled out England below 200 on this pitch

That's why he is a good fast bowler but not a complete one. A complete fast bowler has a sustainable bowling action.

Due to poor fitness he's not available when India needed him the most. In fact I think the uncertainty around his availability has hurt India in this series.

 

[160KPH]

Bumrah is not even as good in England as Mohammad Abbas’ 125 KPH bowling

 

[mominsaigol]

Completely agree.

Especially impressive that he has maintained a 55 average in England which provides so much support for fast bowlers (maybe not as much as this summer but usually)

A couple good series in Australia and he will elevate himself even further.

Although I still think Steve Smith is in a class of his own, even above Sachin but below Bradman.

Both Smith and Sachin avg 40 or more in every country they have played 5 or more test matches in.

They are the only 2 to achieve this feat. Root can become the 3rd if he scores 517 runs in ashes which will raise his aus avg from 35 to 40+.

Steve Smith use to be in a class of his own during that 8 year peak, but he fizzled out. Currently he is > Sachin but they are close. 56 avg vs 53.

Its that 8 year period where he was top scorer year by year and murdering every team in every den that seperates him but tbh no one cares.

Ponting in 2006 avg 61 and just murdered everyone but then fell off a cliff post 2006. Its the end of the career numbers that matter.

Root is still behind both Sachin and smith until he hits 517 runs in ashes or gets his avg to 40 in a future series

 

[kron]

That's why he is a good fast bowler but not a complete one. A complete fast bowler has a sustainable bowling action.

Due to poor fitness he's not available when India needed him the most. In fact I think the uncertainty around his availability has hurt India in this series.

Wasim with diabetes managed to play for so long. Crazy durability.

Due to his action mostly.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah would have had his career ended here and then sat out the next series to rest up

He's be bowling 120KPH here.

He is in decline stage and indian poaters are delusional now.

He is almost 32 and his body is declining. His peak is over. It last 40+ tests

 

[kron]

Both Smith and Sachin avg 40 or more in every country they have played 5 or more test matches in.

They are the only 2 to achieve this feat. Root can become the 3rd if he scores 517 runs in ashes which will raise his aus avg from 35 to 40+.

Steve Smith use to be in a class of his own during that 8 year peak, but he fizzled out. Currently he is > Sachin but they are close. 56 avg vs 53.

Its that 8 year period where he was top scorer year by year and murdering every team in every den that seperates him but tbh no one cares.

Ponting in 2006 avg 61 and just murdered everyone but then fell off a cliff post 2006. Its the end of the career numbers that matter.

Root is still behind both Sachin and smith until he hits 517 runs in ashes or gets his avg to 40 in a future series

Smith is light years ahead of sacchu and Ponting shouldn’t even be in the conversation.

Root yea is up there but he needs a good match winning performance away in Australia. Series draw atleast has to be achieved in Aus and India

IN BEFORE TALK ABOUT INDIA VS ENGLAND


Well Sachin is India? So ?

 

[Rajdeep]

Inshallah 800 is loading along with Root double century

You will stay back till the end of the game right? And not run away like your fellow posters did in last game?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena @Hitman @Devadwal

Not at all. Kohli wasn't missed at all. Sai will be international .Nair probably not.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not at all. Kohli wasn't missed at all. Sai will be international .Nair probably not.

Sai is rubbish. Karun nair is poor but slightly better. I have seen their fc records. Both are 39 and 40 avg test batters which isnt bad bit isnt the best either.

And sai isnt aggressive at all in test cricket. If you're generating players who will frequently score 30 of 100 deliveries then they better be atleast 25% as good as Dravid.

Sai isnt even 1% of Dravid. These innings wont help india generate wins. Draws or Losses only.

 

[oatmeal]

Not at all. Kohli wasn't missed at all. Sai will be international .Nair probably not.

Sai is not a international calibre player. He wont make it in the team. Neither will Nair

 

[160KPH]

Both Smith and Sachin avg 40 or more in every country they have played 5 or more test matches in.

They are the only 2 to achieve this feat. Root can become the 3rd if he scores 517 runs in ashes which will raise his aus avg from 35 to 40+.

Steve Smith use to be in a class of his own during that 8 year peak, but he fizzled out. Currently he is > Sachin but they are close. 56 avg vs 53.

Its that 8 year period where he was top scorer year by year and murdering every team in every den that seperates him but tbh no one cares.

Ponting in 2006 avg 61 and just murdered everyone but then fell off a cliff post 2006. Its the end of the career numbers that matter.

Root is still behind both Sachin and smith until he hits 517 runs in ashes or gets his avg to 40 in a future series

I do believe Root can get closer to Smith if he has an incredible incredible Ashes and scores buckets of runs in Australia. Even better if his runs lead to them winning the Ashes for the first time since 2017.

When it comes to valuing players, I guess everyone has different priorities. Just my opinion but for me personally in my eyes I’m not sure if Root can do anything to catch up to Steven Smith based on the absolutely insane run Steven Smith had in that 8 year span you are talking about from 2014 - 2022.

Longevity of course matters but Steven Smith had that insane run for long enough that I do not judge him that harshly for not being as good in his later years. He is also a couple years older than Root and he has not had the fall of that Sachin had in his last couple of years - he is still averaging 50 this year and I think Steven Smith might have one more incredible Ashes in him.

 

[sweep_shot]

England - 119/1.

Trailing by 105 runs.

Hopefully England will reach 500.

 

[Ahmed216]

Sweet timer of the ball Crawley is really enjoying the pace and bounce

 

[kron]

England - 119/1.

Trailing by 105 runs.

Hopefully England will reach 500.

Then India will post 700

 

[160KPH]

You will stay back till the end of the game right? And not run away like your fellow posters did in last game?

I just returned to this forum after 2 years, do not worry I do not run.

If you’re going to troll, you have to be ready to be trolled

 

[mominsaigol]

I do believe Root can get closer to Smith if he has an incredible incredible Ashes and scores buckets of runs in Australia. Even better if his runs lead to them winning the Ashes for the first time since 2017.

When it comes to valuing players, I guess everyone has different priorities. Just my opinion but for me personally in my eyes I’m not sure if Root can do anything to catch up to Steven Smith based on the absolutely insane run Steven Smith had in that 8 year span you are talking about from 2014 - 2022.

Longevity of course matters but Steven Smith had that insane run for long enough that I do not judge him that harshly for not being as good in his later years. He is also a couple years older than Root and he has not had the fall of that Sachin had in his last couple of years - he is still averaging 50 this year and I think Steven Smith might have one more incredible Ashes in him.

Smith will likely call it quits after ashes, root can reach an avg > 53.

Not sure if he can reach 56 avg though

 

[mominsaigol]

Smith is light years ahead of sacchu and Ponting shouldn’t even be in the conversation.

Root yea is up there but he needs a good match winning performance away in Australia. Series draw atleast has to be achieved in Aus and India

IN BEFORE TALK ABOUT INDIA VS ENGLAND


Well Sachin is India? So ?

Steve Smith in those 8 years where he was avg 65 and murdering everyone black and blue is > Everyone yes.

Currently he is > Sachin but the gap has closed obviously.

 

[160KPH]

He's be bowling 120KPH here.

He is in decline stage and indian poaters are delusional now.

He is almost 32 and his body is declining. His peak is over. It last 40+ tests

48 Tests and his career is almost over.. his bones must be made of glass



He is not even express pace and he has a short run up. Even Shoaib Akhtar made it to 46 Tests with a 100 meter run up, bowling brutal 150 KPH thunderbolt spells on the flat highway pitches of Pakistan, all while having bad knees. Imagine if Shoaib had done “load management” as Bumrah did and chose to only bowl on helpful pitches.


The Jazbah is a little different on this side of the border

 

[sweep_shot]

I hope Root will get another century.

Root or Stokes should be the man-of-the-series.

 

[160KPH]

They can dish it out but cry when they get it back.

Reminds me of Operation Tandoor. They started the fight but asked for a ceasefire once they started to get smashed.

Zak Crawley has already shot down two Rafale jets.. soon Root will be doubling back to shoot down 3 more



“They are falling like little birds” - Sajjad Haider

 

[mominsaigol]

Brainless Crawley.

Hes done well for his standards in this series but England seriously need to evaluate the impact in Ashes.

He had one purple patch series but otherwise is bang avg. He should have gotten a 100 here.

That was a nothing ball from Krishna

 

[kron]

prasidh is atleast better than khambhoj

sweepshot. i would like to meet you in person one day.

 

[kron]

here comes the ugly batsman. but he is an atg. one of the best ever.

 

[kron]

sun needs to get lost. stop protecting these coward poms.

 

[Ahmed216]

Pre-lunch approach from England was better. They're now allowing Indian bowlers to settle.

 

[kron]

prasidh is a mediocre bowler but gee he is quick
quicker than shaheen naseem carse atkinson and overton

 

[Ahmed216]

Contempt shown by Root towards Krishna. Rare very rare

 

[kron]

144 kmph second fastest ball of this test. fastest being tongue at guess what? 144 as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pre-lunch approach from England was better. They're now allowing Indian bowlers to settle.

The openers did their job, I think root and pope should score centuries at a steady pace

 

[followed]

I hate all these indian clown players.
This krishna clown guy has been decimated by English side so badly and he is still chirping.
Why indian team is so claseless.

 

[kron]

I hate all these indian clown players.
This krishna clown guy has been decimated by English side so badly and he is still chirping.
Why indian team is so claseless.

i agree. we have like 5 way better bowlers than him but quota pick khambhoj somehow came in.

atleast prasidh is better than trundler khambhoj
guess what he bowled fastest ball of this match lel. faster than your tongue.

 

[followed]

This classless Krishna guy is averaging 61 in this series with economy rate of 5.34 and he has audacity to pick fights with england players.

 

[Ahmed216]

Local boy Ollie Pope

 

[kron]

This classless Krishna guy is averaging 61 in this series with economy rate of 5.34 and he has audacity to pick fights with england players.

part of the game. its normal. atleast he is showing grit and fight. unlike @sweep_shot 's friends when they begged for ceasefire

 

[RamLakhan]

How stupid that run out was by Gill...

 

[followed]

Last 12 matches india lost 8
Won 2 and yet they are showing arrogance
Fans are like these clown players.
Not a single humble player in Indian side.
Whole indian side is so unlikeable.

 

[Devadwal]

Last 12 matches india lost 8
Won 2 and yet they are showing arrogance
Fans are like these clown players.
Not a single humble player in Indian side.
Whole indian side is so unlikeable.

Pakistan win in SENA nations since 2018 -1

India win in SENA nations in Last eight months -2

 

[kron]

prasidh 143 kmph again
trundler lmaooo
yea right.

 

[followed]

Joe root is looking angry here. He should destroy these pathetic indian bowlers and score another century.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sai is rubbish. Karun nair is poor but slightly better. I have seen their fc records. Both are 39 and 40 avg test batters which isnt bad bit isnt the best either.

And sai isnt aggressive at all in test cricket. If you're generating players who will frequently score 30 of 100 deliveries then they better be atleast 25% as good as Dravid.

Sai isnt even 1% of Dravid. These innings wont help india generate wins. Draws or Losses only.

Sai is in his debut Test series, young brother. Has a very compact defence as well.

 

[kron]

mo siraj
khaleel ahmed
mo shami

that would be the dream attack.

 

[kron]

Sai is in his debut Test series, young brother. Has a very compact defence as well.

no he is finished already. all indian players suck.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sai is not a international calibre player. He wont make it in the team. Neither will Nair

We will see

 

[Rajdeep]

LOL umpire is useless.

Where is he from, anyone?

 

[followed]

Good job by ahsan raza. Keep your finger down whenever these clowns appeal for a LBW.

 

[kron]

just imagine how many fluke wickets 90s bowlers would have taken without drs.
ump would use to call out for all these guys in 90s and 2000 for australians, the pakistanis and even poms

 

[160KPH]

When going gets tough indian clown supporters stay so silent like they are not even present. LOL.

They only return after a wicket but you know that they were secretly browsing the forum the whole time

 

[Hellion]

If i were there i would have shown this uglie krishna and ganju akashdeep their real place.
Pathetic bunch.

Yeah. Internet tough guys like you are so scary.

 

[kron]

HERE COMES THE KING BROOK.
KING TULLA

GREATEST TULLA OF ALL TIME

 

[kron]

They only return after a wicket but you know that they were secretly browsing the forum the whole time

i am here pretty much through out but i am on restricted mode. so cant post as much.
because i made a few people cry here.

 

[kron]

GOAT BROOK on FLAT wickets.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sai is in his debut Test series, young brother. Has a very compact defence as well.

I disagree, if you wanna know who I rate, I rare Gill extremely highly, I view KL Rahul as underrated. Yes hes a bit of a mental midget during crunch situations but not a bad batsmen.

I believe karun can be a good no 6, I believe jaiswal is a solid batsmen but he is a softie and I believe Pant is a goat and was wrong about him.

Sai is rubbish and so is Jadeja. One superman series with the bat means nothing. Washington is a good lower order batter but a terrible overseas bowler. He makes ashwin and jadeja look extremely good in comparison.

I am not biased excluding my run ins with some irritating pests. I really like gill as a batsmen(not attitude and voice wise)

I believe you all critisice gill to much. FTB's aren't a bad thing and we live in an era where flat tracks will show up here and their

 

[Ahmed216]

Right approach from Brook on this pitch. Survival is difficult if you allow the bowlers to settle

 

[kron]

143
144
140
138
139

prasidh

apprently he is a trundler. hahahhahaha

 

[mominsaigol]

Now Brooks will hit a century, one of the youngest and greatest talents the world has ever seem

 

[kron]

I disagree, if you wanna know who I rate, I rare Gill extremely highly, I view KL Rahul as underrated. Yes hes a bit of a mental midget during crunch situations but not a bad batsmen.

I believe karun can be a good no 6, I believe jaiswal is a solid batsmen but he is a softie and I believe Pant is a goat and was wrong about him.

Sai is rubbish and so is Jadeja. One superman series with the bat means nothing. Washington is a good lower order batter but a terrible overseas bowler. He makes ashwin and jadeja look extremely good in comparison.

I am not biased excluding my run ins with some irritating pests. I really like gill as a batsmen(not attitude and voice wise)

I believe you all critisice gill to much. FTB's aren't a bad thing and we live in an era where flat tracks will show up here and their

well you are wrong

gill is an average player. he is just lucky cause for some reason people like his feminine looks

pant is goat

yes

sai is average

 

[followed]

England need 300 and they will take care of indian hacks.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I disagree, if you wanna know who I rate, I rare Gill extremely highly, I view KL Rahul as underrated. Yes hes a bit of a mental midget during crunch situations but not a bad batsmen.

I believe karun can be a good no 6, I believe jaiswal is a solid batsmen but he is a softie and I believe Pant is a goat and was wrong about him.

Sai is rubbish and so is Jadeja. One superman series with the bat means nothing. Washington is a good lower order batter but a terrible overseas bowler. He makes ashwin and jadeja look extremely good in comparison.

I am not biased excluding my run ins with some irritating pests. I really like gill as a batsmen(not attitude and voice wise)

I believe you all critisice gill to much. FTB's aren't a bad thing and we live in an era where flat tracks will show up here and their

Like I said, we will see

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

Now Brooks will hit a century, one of the youngest and greatest talents the world has ever seem

I feel for him tbh.
He is a very good player but trying to be a hack because of this bazball.

 

[RamLakhan]

I hate all these indian clown players.
This krishna clown guy has been decimated by English side so badly and he is still chirping.
Why indian team is so claseless.

We have seen enough SENA players coming to India dancing against spinners, they used to abuse Indian Players to highest degree! So nothing wrong in showing aggression... (even if there's no performance)

 

[kron]

Like I said, we will see

see what? he is wrong about gill.

sai is meh. average player.

pant is goat.

rest dont care. he is wrong about jaddu as he is good too

 

[RamLakhan]

Even now Indian bowlers can induce a collapse... You need smart captains for this...

 

[kron]

We have seen enough SENA players coming to India dancing against spinners, they used to abuse Indian Players to highest degree! So nothing wrong in showing aggression... (even if there's no performance)

oh really> when did they abuse indian players in india? nonsense. indians always fought back unlike other clowns next to our country.