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England vs India | 5th Test | The Oval | September 7-11, 2018 | Day 1 Thread

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England v India
The Oval, London
5th Test
Thursday, 7 September, 11.00 local, 10.00 GMT

The time has come. After more than two months, 10 international matches and at least 21 full days of cricket, the England v India juggernaut has reached its final stop. And with it, not surprisingly, has Alastair Cook's career. The former England captain will be in for a grand farewell on Thursday, 7 September, when he takes the field for the last time in an England shirt and, needless to say, that his teammates will want to see him off with a win.

While the Indians are likely to line-up when 'The Chef' walks out to bat and give him an appropriate farewell, their generosity is more than likely to end there, as they will prefer a 3-2 scoreline at the end of the series instead of 4-1, or even 3-1, unlikely as a draw has appeared all series. For that to happen, though, India will have to pay heed to their captain Virat Kohli's words: They will have to "cross the line".

The fourth Test in Southampton, much like the first one at Edgbaston, was a case of teams fighting tooth and nail for every inch, and one team racing ahead of the other at different junctures. In the end, though, England, helped by the most heroic of efforts by 20-year-old all-rounder Sam Curran, turned the tables on the visitors after having conceded a first-innings lead and set India a target that seemed well out of their reach.

Curran made 78 in the first innings to help lift England from 86/6 to 246 and then in the second innings, when India had taken a slender 27-run lead and England found themselves 178/6, the lead only 151, Curran made 46 and combined with Jos Buttler (69) to add 55 runs for the seventh wicket and take England to safety.

As it turned out, despite a century stand between Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane, both of whom hit half-centuries, India collapsed soon after Moeen Ali dismissed Kohli in the second session of the fourth day and were bowled out for 184 while chasing 245. The margin of victory was relatively small – 60 runs – but just like it was at Edgbaston, where too England had emerged victorious by 31 runs after India floundered in the fourth innings, India were left asking questions of themselves despite being in a position of strength at many points.

Perhaps of the selectorial kind: Why not an additional spinner on a surface that assisted spin quite early? Ali picked up 5/63 in the first innings and 4/71 in the second, and was adjudged Player of the Match.

The other might be the form of some of the batsmen. Kohli has been brilliant, and sits comfortably atop the scorers' chart from either side, and Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane have scored runs once in a way. The others have been inconsistent.

With the series gone, maybe there will be a shot at a Test debut for Prithvi Shaw and/or Hanuma Vihari, who were both flown in for the last two Tests. Depending on the conditions, maybe Ravindra Jadeja will have a chance for a spot in the final XI too.

Although England won the last Test, their troubles with the top order are far from solved. Captain Joe Root pushed himself down to No.4 in the quest to find form, and was successful to some extent, scoring a handy 48 in the second innings. But the returns for the openers, Cook (17 and 12) and Keaton Jennings (0 and 36) have been below par. Jonny Bairstow (6 and 0) and Ben Stokes (23 and 30) failed to get big scores as well.

A lower-order revival, as has been the case quite a few times in the series, came to England's rescue in Southampton, and the bowlers did the rest. The hosts would love to sort their top-order problems before the series ends.

England have confirmed their XI will be unchanged, with a fit-again Bairstow reclaiming the gloves, and Ali set to bat at No. 3, as he did in the second innings at Southampton.

Key players

Sam Curran (England): The man with the golden arm and the golden bat has picked up eight wickets from three matches at 23.37 and has scored 251 runs at 50.20 – the best average among all England batsmen this series. He has been the thorn in India's side in all the games that he has played.

Virat Kohli (India): What would India have done without their captain? Kohli has almost single-handedly carried the team's batting on his shoulders, and despite some useful contributions from Pujara and Rahane, it is he who has been the mainstay and has looked unfazed for most parts. His 544 runs, the most in the series, at 68 bear testimony.

Conditions

The Oval in London is among the most spin-friendly pitches in England. The long boundaries square of the wicket might also encourage captains to field more than one frontline spinner. England may go in with an unchanged XI, while India may consider bringing in Jadeja. No rain has been forecast in London for the coming five days, so we should get a full-length Test match.

Squads

England XI: Joe Root (c), Moeen Ali, Jimmy Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Alastair Cook, Sam Curran, Keaton Jennings, Adil Rashid, Ben Stokes

India: Virat Kohli (c), Ravichandran Ashwin, Jasprit Bumrah, Shikhar Dhawan, Ravindra Jadeja, Dinesh Karthik, Karun Nair, Hardik Pandya, Rishabh Pant, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, KL Rahul, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Prithvi Shaw, Shardul Thakur, Hanuma Vihari, Umesh Yadav
 
London has had the hottest summer on record, hotter even than 1976.
 
Kind of surprising Woakes not playing ahead of rashid. Oval has good pace and bounce so it would be good for the faster-men. On top of that, Woakes will add lower order strength in batting. Plus Rashid hardly lands the ball on the proper place
 
Kind of surprising Woakes not playing ahead of rashid. Oval has good pace and bounce so it would be good for the faster-men. On top of that, Woakes will add lower order strength in batting. Plus Rashid hardly lands the ball on the proper place

I'm guessing it's to give Rashid as much game time as possible before the SL tour where they will have to play with 2 spinners.
 
London has had the hottest summer on record, hotter even than 1976.

Its just rained last night :facepalm: Even though its sunny now, its pretty cold. So much so that I am wearing a sweater to work now. That hottest summer is long gone Robbie bro.
 
England win toss and bat first ....
 
England batting first again, Root never learns does he. Also Sobers has been dropped for some Vihari, no Shaw
 
Finally they admit Ashwin wasn't fit for Southampton test. What was the point of lying repeatedly to the media and fans?
 
India lose toss again, Excuse number 1 already there for when india lose another test match ;)
 
Finally IND goes back to 6+4 combination. But looking at the condition it could have been a good idea to play Pandeya here.

Hanuma Vihari has made the debut 2 months before I expected - congrats.
 
India make 2 changes with Ravindra Jadeja replacing R Ashwin, and Hanuma Vihari (debut) coming in place for Hardik Pandya

India XI : S Dhawan, KL Rahul, C Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, R Pant, Ravindra Jadeja, I Sharma, Mohammed Shami, J Bumrah #ENGvIND

England no change

England XI are unchanged : Alastair Cook, Keaton Jennings, Moeen Ali, Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Adil Rashid, Stuart Broad, James Anderson

This will be Alastair Cook's last match for England #ENGvIND
 
Root has a double headed coin ;)

Kohli at the coin toss "I think I need heads on both side (to win the toss)". :))

The last time something like this happened was in 1998 when England toured Australia. In that series Mark Taylor won all 5 tosses.
 
Remove kohli as captain just for losing tosses & bad team selection prithvi shaw should be playing this test we know dhawan is not a long term opener in tests Indian openers are hiding their poor show by comparing to their English counterparts .
 
Remove kohli as captain just for losing tosses & bad team selection prithvi shaw should be playing this test we know dhawan is not a long term opener in tests Indian openers are hiding their poor show by comparing to their English counterparts .

Exactly right! If Dhawan was supposed to be our Test Opener (all format opener, left hander advantage - Shastri's favorite term!) that should have been developed a lot more years back! He came in as a replacement for aging Vijay, now that another guy has come, he should have been straight away replaced especially after losing the last match & its a dead rubber! Just continues to show how stupid the captain & coach are!
 
Beware Hanuma Vihari comes from the land of VVS Laxman & is batting at No.6... Maybe he should have been our surprise weapon in the previous match itself! Kumble as coach would have thought something like that (the right kind of debut & challenge!)
 
Gonna be hard day for bowlers i feel. Not much help and we are playing with just 4 bowlers. Shami will have to step up today and get fifer.
 
Gonna be hard day for bowlers i feel. Not much help and we are playing with just 4 bowlers. Shami will have to step up today and get fifer.

I am not watching the game, but I guess the pitch is flatter and England won't mind a draw to give good farewell to Cook! Also they might hope for an another choke by Indian batsmen against Moeen Ali in the fourth innings!
 
It’s a very good excuse as batting first makes a ton of difference..

India did win the only test it batted first in..
 
Bowlers already bowling within themselves knowing fully well there is no 5th pacer to bowl 10-12 overs in the day to help the main seamers get decent breaks between spells.

Looks to be the best batting track of the series this one and we have gone with 4 bowlers, one of them has not played an away test for years!
 
So the legend is dropped from his national team? Wow! it needs guts to go in a test match without Pandya. :kp
 
Vihari bowling in the first hour! Already an admission from Kohli that we are a bowler short! Reminds me of Dhoni bowling his seamers on the tour of 2011.
 
Vihari is only bowling as there are two lefties playing
 
Finally IND goes back to 6+4 combination. But looking at the condition it could have been a good idea to play Pandeya here.

Hanuma Vihari has made the debut 2 months before I expected - congrats.

It shows how badly they have misread conditions - mainly due to holding pre-conceived notions. Something Kohli has previous with.

They assumed on foreign pitches, a seam bowling all rounder was a must to add balance and an extra bowling option. Unfortunately, Pandya is such that he does not get into the team as a bowler or batsman alone - unlike Kallis, for example. His value is as someone that does both.

But when you have been given conditions where more often than not, 20 wickets can be taken by 4 bowlers, they played Pandya. Wrong call. They would have benefited from an extra batsmen, or even inclusion of Jadeja - Pandya contributed nothing in the last test.

At Lords, they played Kuldeep Yadav after being encouraged by the idea that hot weather had created dry pitches, and England's perceived weakness against wrist spin. Wrong decision.

Here, on a slow flat pitch, the bowlers are going to have to toil. This is where you need 5 bowlers, ideally 2 spinners to bowl long spells. Instead they have an extra batsmen. I suppose Ashwin was injured, but as I have said before on this forum, decision to remove Kuldeep from the squad was silly at the time, and it looks worse now.
 
India batsmen will also love this surface. Looks like a high scoring draw

These day, it's rare to imagine a draw if 450 overs are played. Already IND has bowled 18 overs in 90 minutes, ENG will do the same & I am sure Match referee doesn't have the balls to call Indian/English Captain to ban for this - he'll find an excuse through 6-7 minutes extra taken by DRS in whole day.... so, I expect 86-87 overs in 6.5 hours max. Still, result of this Test depends on how quickly both teams score. Prediction showing less sunny days coming, in that case ball will swing lot and Oval is always fast & bouncy. I think, we'll see Day 5 here & we'll see a direct result.
 
If India had won 1 more match (preferably the first one), then England would have served one more (or two more) such flat pitches which would have helped batsmen score some runs & improve their stats! Goes to show what happens if you don't capitalize on the crucial moments! I am sure England will prepare super flat pitches against weaker opponents in their next home series to ensure improving the stats of their batsmen!
 
It shows how badly they have misread conditions - mainly due to holding pre-conceived notions. Something Kohli has previous with.

They assumed on foreign pitches, a seam bowling all rounder was a must to add balance and an extra bowling option. Unfortunately, Pandya is such that he does not get into the team as a bowler or batsman alone - unlike Kallis, for example. His value is as someone that does both.

But when you have been given conditions where more often than not, 20 wickets can be taken by 4 bowlers, they played Pandya. Wrong call. They would have benefited from an extra batsmen, or even inclusion of Jadeja - Pandya contributed nothing in the last test.

At Lords, they played Kuldeep Yadav after being encouraged by the idea that hot weather had created dry pitches, and England's perceived weakness against wrist spin. Wrong decision.

Here, on a slow flat pitch, the bowlers are going to have to toil. This is where you need 5 bowlers, ideally 2 spinners to bowl long spells. Instead they have an extra batsmen. I suppose Ashwin was injured, but as I have said before on this forum, decision to remove Kuldeep from the squad was silly at the time, and it looks worse now.

In Test cricket, unless all-rounder makes the team on bowling merit, he has to be like Sobers or Kallis or at worst Sanath. Also, 4 bowlers hardly works in a 3+1 combination.

Few weeks back, there was a thread on best AUS cricketer of that team - I was too busy that time to post, but to me the best AUS cricketer on that generation was Warne, by some distance and it was not even remotely close. Reason being, he was the guy who gave 25 toughest overs of the game on Day 1 and 35 on 2nd innings, which allowed AUS to pack up side with 7 batsmen and 3 outright fast bowlers, who kept charging on through out the days.

Here if Jadeja can't give that control by Tea, Kohli'll be scratching head for his 6th/7th bowler. 3 pacers only works if you have someone like Hadlee or MacGrath, could have been Asif as well, metronomes who can bowl relentlessly on spot for 29 overs in a full day.
 
3.125% chance of winning 5 tosses but Root has somehow pulled it off against the odds heavily stacked against him.
 
In Test cricket, unless all-rounder makes the team on bowling merit, he has to be like Sobers or Kallis or at worst Sanath. Also, 4 bowlers hardly works in a 3+1 combination.

Few weeks back, there was a thread on best AUS cricketer of that team - I was too busy that time to post, but to me the best AUS cricketer on that generation was Warne, by some distance and it was not even remotely close. Reason being, he was the guy who gave 25 toughest overs of the game on Day 1 and 35 on 2nd innings, which allowed AUS to pack up side with 7 batsmen and 3 outright fast bowlers, who kept charging on through out the days.

Here if Jadeja can't give that control by Tea, Kohli'll be scratching head for his 6th/7th bowler. 3 pacers only works if you have someone like Hadlee or MacGrath, could have been Asif as well, metronomes who can bowl relentlessly on spot for 29 overs in a full day.

Jadeja can do that job better than Ashwin (not necessarily as effective as Warne - who provides wicket-taking option by himself) . Jadeja is more fit, athletic & has more endurance. So he should always have been our lone spinner overseas! He can bowl those tight overs & longer spells! Ashwin been a better wicket-taker is a myth and its proven time & again! He is injury prone & very lazy, breaks down soon. Tries too many variations always! Funnily Jadeja has even more better record than Ashwin at home! Also I think he can be slightly better than Ashwin even with bat! He can score those flashy runs sometimes! Adds a lot of value in fielding as well (can field in gully/point and help pacers pick wicket! Can save lots of runs as well!)

I remember Kumble was doing alright in the past overseas (he was a beast at home just like Jaddu/Ashwin). But his problem was he did not have those pace bowlers brigade like now! Jadeja can do that job now!
 
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Kind of surprising Woakes not playing ahead of rashid. Oval has good pace and bounce so it would be good for the faster-men. On top of that, Woakes will add lower order strength in batting. Plus Rashid hardly lands the ball on the proper place

Leggies like the same wickets as fast bowlers.

I hope Rashid gets a good long bowl.
 
If India had won 1 more match (preferably the first one), then England would have served one more (or two more) such flat pitches which would have helped batsmen score some runs & improve their stats! Goes to show what happens if you don't capitalize on the crucial moments! I am sure England will prepare super flat pitches against weaker opponents in their next home series to ensure improving the stats of their batsmen!

County and MCC groundsmen don’t rig wickets. It would be practically impossible given the changeable weather. They might grass on or shave it down but that’s about all. The Oval has been a good batting deck for years, taking a bit of spin later on.

If they rigged the wickets it would make sense to have all green seamers but the truth is that this type of bowler appears in England because of the wickets, not the other way round.
 
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Jadeja can do that job better than Ashwin (not necessarily as effective as Warne - who provides wicket-taking option by himself) . Jadeja is more fit, athletic & has more endurance. So he should always have been our lone spinner overseas! He can bowl those tight overs & longer spells! Ashwin been a better wicket-taker is a myth and its proven time & again! He is injury prone & very lazy, breaks down soon. Tries too many variations always! Funnily Jadeja has even more better record than Ashwin at home! Also I think he can be slightly better than Ashwin even with bat! He can score those flashy runs sometimes! Adds a lot of value in fielding as well (can field in gully/point and help pacers pick wicket! Can save lots of runs as well!)

I remember Kumble was doing alright in the past overseas (he was a beast at home just like Jaddu/Ashwin). But his problem was he did not have those pace bowlers brigade like now! Jadeja can do that job now!

Finger spinners are limited bowlers, they can restrict scoring bowling negative line with one sided fielding, but if one spinner is to play, it should be a leggi. This is going to be IND's major concern in AUS - resources for 3 pacers are good, but without a genuine leggi, by 2nd day it'll be tough. Pandeya isn't going to do much with ball in AUS.
 
Cook should withdraw his retirement - even a struggling Cook is miles ahead of any other English opener. He is going through a rough patch, but still ENG will need him in Asia for one more round. These Jennis and other openers won't last half an hour against Asian spinners. He should continue to play one more Ashes at home and another trip to UAE, IND at least.
 
Finger spinners are limited bowlers, they can restrict scoring bowling negative line with one sided fielding, but if one spinner is to play, it should be a leggi. This is going to be IND's major concern in AUS - resources for 3 pacers are good, but without a genuine leggi, by 2nd day it'll be tough. Pandeya isn't going to do much with ball in AUS.

Ashwin is not a leggie, perhaps they need to develop Kuldeep for this role. But by sending him back mid-tour after one tough game isn't going to help his confidence grow any bit! Probably something else (seniority, favoring, etc) prevails more in the team management more than skills!

Pandya can play in Australia provided he improves his batting & is more consistent, but he just scores a fifty in 5 innings, he is going nowhere!

Do you think the following XI can do any good in Australia?

Prithvi Shaw
K L Rahul (one last chance as there are no other options on flatter Australian pitches)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
(a proper No.6 batsman who can bowl some finger spin)
Saha
Kuldeep
Ishant
Shami
Bumrah

(Bhuvi should be in the squad. Also another specialist opener & backup batsmen!)
 
No 5th pacer today. Tired pacers will start to feel it even more if we do not keep wickets regularly. Jadeja will have to bowl 30-35 overs and hold one end up.
 
Looks like Kohli in a mission to break Bumrah here...making him bowl 14 overs already. Asia cup jaana hai usko...chor de Kohli bhai.
 
Looks like Kohli in a mission to break Bumrah here...making him bowl 14 overs already. Asia cup jaana hai usko...chor de Kohli bhai.

Bro what happened to India winning the series, 4-1 and then you revised it to 3-2, and then you said a result of 2-3 will be ok aswell, but then now it seems like result will be 1-4.



Yeh kya se kya hogaya :ssmith
 
Moeen is not a number 3.

His defensive technique is not good enough and plays far too lose for that position.

He was playing his best at 6/7.
 
Lordy, cook is boring to watch. Thankfully, just one more innings from him. I don't mind the opposition batsmen piling on if they're aesthetic in style.
 
Cheffy!

First fifty by an opener this series.

Grind ‘em down boys!
 
Bro what happened to India winning the series, 4-1 and then you revised it to 3-2, and then you said a result of 2-3 will be ok aswell, but then now it seems like result will be 1-4.



Yeh kya se kya hogaya :ssmith

This will be a drawn test as its a flat deck which ECB served purposefully for Eng. Looks like tour will end 3-1. Its dissapointing but better than 4-0 eng got in India lasf year
 
Cheffy!

First fifty by an opener this series.

Grind ‘em down boys!

This looks like a nothing pitch. I have a feeling, even Dhawan will score a 50 here and cement his place for the next Series :))
 
This will be a drawn test as its a flat deck which ECB served purposefully for Eng. Looks like tour will end 3-1. Its dissapointing but better than 4-0 eng got in India lasf year

So England making pitches for themselves is bad, but India making pitches that turn from ball one are ok :)))



The hypocrisy of the chest thumpers....
 
Moen Ali is lucky to be still at the crease. So many plays and misses.

Shami needs to pitch it up just a few more inches to get the edge me thinks.
 
So England making pitches for themselves is bad, but India making pitches that turn from ball one are ok :)))



The hypocrisy of the chest thumpers....

Who said its bad? I just said this match will be a rare draw. Dont try too hard and try to read the post properly.
 
This looks like a nothing pitch. I have a feeling, even Dhawan will score a 50 here and cement his place for the next Series :))

Given a platform, Stokes and Buttler could go berserk on this.
 
How well has shami bowled in this spell? but damn unlucky like ishant and bumrah.
 
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