First report on Mohammad Asif's performances at the NCA

[axl100mph]

He definitely didn't have the inswinger. But I wasn't aware he bowled 152.

He was just learning it back then. He did get a few wickets off the inswinger in new zealand which was before the oz tour.
If anything, the conditions he had werent conducive to swinging it


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[Usman Chadda]

When losing an argument call names and run away.Good.

I have been involved in more cricket and met more cricketers than you can imagine.

Btw continue on with your hyping up Asif.Some difference it will make.

Not sure which argument I'm losing here? All I see here is you shoving your opinion down our throats.

Take this boasting somewhere else. You are out of your depth and its showing. Watching Shamis, Yadavs, Mohantys, Ramesh Powars etc all these years doesn't give you a right to belittle one of the best seam bowlers cricket has had the opportunity to witness.

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[Indiafan]

1- Acquitted just like Sachin was not lifting/messing the seam in SA but was rather guilty of cleaning a ball that was shinny like a brand new apple; you could literally see your image in it?

2- Parbharkar, has been involved in fixing, been accused of chucking, has bitten a ball in an Int'l match (Afridi was right he was not the first), and has done enough ball tampering to shame many!

Asif has caused enough damage in his short career to Indian team (especially that little one when he sqautted in front of the whole crowd in Karachi) and I know it still burns your behind, so you still need that burnol?

You could literally see the grass piece stuck in the seam in that Sachin ball which he was picking. Are ypu going to straight up lie now?

 

[Indiafan]

BTW, about all here who are talking about Asif's awesome bowling here, just wanted to say something

When Asif was pardoned for the FIRST time, I said, this is going to cost Pakistan big time. On this very forum. And people used the same logic, that I was a jealous Indian who did not understand bowling. All the posts on these threads seem carbon copies of the logic used. The same Sachin video was used again and again. The Sachin who retired with much honor unlike Asif

Well, Asif did not only err three times more, causing embarrassment to this team and nation, but he also took young Amir with him. I really hope the price of pardoning him was really worth it for all those defending him. And I really hope you do not further pay the price for still sticking with him. I hope you are not sacrificing many more young Amirs just so Asif can bowl a few magic deliveries again.

 

[Idrees1990]

BTW, about all here who are talking about Asif's awesome bowling here, just wanted to say something

When Asif was pardoned for the FIRST time, I said, this is going to cost Pakistan big time. On this very forum. And people used the same logic, that I was a jealous Indian who did not understand bowling. All the posts on these threads seem carbon copies of the logic used. The same Sachin video was used again and again. The Sachin who retired with much honor unlike Asif

Well, Asif did not only err three times more, causing embarrassment to this team and nation, but he also took young Amir with him. I really hope the price of pardoning him was really worth it for all those defending him. And I really hope you do not further pay the price for still sticking with him. I hope you are not sacrificing many more young Amirs just so Asif can bowl a few magic deliveries again.

You gotta be kidding me. Asif was the least involved in this incident. Get your facts right. Amir made his own choice. This is nonsense.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

BTW, about all here who are talking about Asif's awesome bowling here, just wanted to say something

When Asif was pardoned for the FIRST time, I said, this is going to cost Pakistan big time. On this very forum. And people used the same logic, that I was a jealous Indian who did not understand bowling. All the posts on these threads seem carbon copies of the logic used. The same Sachin video was used again and again. The Sachin who retired with much honor unlike Asif

Well, Asif did not only err three times more, causing embarrassment to this team and nation, but he also took young Amir with him. I really hope the price of pardoning him was really worth it for all those defending him. And I really hope you do not further pay the price for still sticking with him. I hope you are not sacrificing many more young Amirs just so Asif can bowl a few magic deliveries again.

Wow you clearly don't have any idea what conspired in 2010 do you now

 

[Idrees1990]

From all the information out there, it looks like they involved him at the last second. Amir and salman had the most evidence against them. He didn't ruin anybody. If anything, Asif probably taught Amir some useful tricks and made him even more dangerous bowler. Young bowlers might finally learn some useful skills from Asif. Keep hating!

 

[MenInG]

Am deleting posts here and bans will follow very soon if people don't behave

Don't get personal and stick to cricket arguments

 

[Hawkeye]

This thread has been turned into yet another useless argument war on serial offences, spot fixing etc.

The topic was about performance of Asif at the NCA. Or his overall stature as a bowler. Can we stick to that? Thread getting derailed.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] your repeteated argument of 'serial serial serial' does NOT change the fact that he was one of the most talented bowlers the world has seen.

Go ask any neutral if you don't know much about seam/swing bowling. We're talking about his skills, not offences, don't mix up stuff. He has missed out on a couple hundred wickets at least, just like Amir.

This 2 As pair would've been the best the world has seen after 2 Ws. They can still reclaim the throne.

 

[JibranAnsari]

haha. i meant nets.

Haha epic.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I think some of the guys deserve chances at international level before we think of bring back the charsi.. The bowlers are

Mir hamza
Taj wali
And
Sadaf hussain.

 

[kassana420]

haha. i meant nets.

hahaha..it looks fine as it is.

 

[rooster]

I'm sorry if it derails the thread but I saw a few posts saying across the forum Asif was not proved of spot fixing but this is what I find in his cricinfo profile

After an unsuccessful appeal in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in April to reduce his suspension period, Asif confessed to his involvement in spot-fixing in August 2013

 

[rooster]

Asif was a wonderful cunning bowler though. Cricket really missed a very good bowler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not sure which argument I'm losing here? All I see here is you shoving your opinion down our throats.

Take this boasting somewhere else. You are out of your depth and its showing. Watching Shamis, Yadavs, Mohantys, Ramesh Powars etc all these years doesn't give you a right to belittle one of the best seam bowlers cricket has had the opportunity to witness.

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[cricketjoshila]

this thread has been turned into yet another useless argument war on serial offences, spot fixing etc.

The topic was about performance of asif at the nca. Or his overall stature as a bowler. Can we stick to that? Thread getting derailed.

[mention=76058]cricketjoshila[/mention] your repeteated argument of 'serial serial serial' does not change the fact that he was one of the most talented bowlers the world has seen.

Go ask any neutral if you don't know much about seam/swing bowling. We're talking about his skills, not offences, don't mix up stuff. He has missed out on a couple hundred wickets at least, just like amir.

This 2 as pair would've been the best the world has seen after 2 ws. They can still reclaim the throne.

ok.

 

[Hawkeye]

ok.

I can't think of anyone else in the world who doesn't rate Asif lol. In fact, many put him above Amir for the great skillset and wrists he has.

Not sure how do you watch cricket. Bringing some average stats from a tour of Australia to prove Asif was average? Lol. Even those from Australia rate him highly. Few stats from Aus tour don't mean anything.

Now don't tell me Amir is also poor because he has average stats on that Aus tour. or heck, even Boult/Steyn.

I think you should let go of your ego and watch a few spells of Asif's bowling on YouTube. If you're a cricket fan, specially who understands bowling, you'll become his fan and wouldn't he able to resist saying WOW.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can't think of anyone else in the world who doesn't rate Asif lol. In fact, many put him above Amir for the great skillset and wrists he has.

Not sure how do you watch cricket. Bringing some average stats from a tour of Australia to prove Asif was average? Lol. Even those from Australia rate him highly. Few stats from Aus tour don't mean anything.

Now don't tell me Amir is also poor because he has average stats on that Aus tour. or heck, even Boult/Steyn.

I think you should let go of your ego and watch a few spells of Asif's bowling on YouTube. If you're a cricket fan, specially who understands bowling, you'll become his fan and wouldn't he able to resist saying WOW.

Asif was a quality seam bowler and thats what i said.He was not ATG/Great/Once in generation etc etc bowler.

Amir has only bowled well in England,where the ball was swinging.Check his performance in NZ/SL/AUS.Calling him the next Wasim is stupidity.He was extremely bright young prospect.

Now you guys can keep hyping them up to the heavens.Wont make either of the ATGs.

 

[ethan hunt]

Kevin Pietersen reckons Asif was the toughest bowler has has ever faced , Sehwag was a sitting duck vs Asif everytime they played , AB devilliers was owned by Asif in southafrica and was on the verge of being dropped .
What a criminal waste of a career.

 

[Junaids]

Kevin Pietersen reckons Asif was the toughest bowler has has ever faced , Sehwag was a sitting duck vs Asif everytime they played , AB devilliers was owned by Asif in southafrica and was on the verge of being dropped .
What a criminal waste of a career.

Quite literally.

 

[Junaids]

I'm sorry if it derails the thread but I saw a few posts saying across the forum Asif was not proved of spot fixing but this is what I find in his cricinfo profile

After an unsuccessful appeal in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in April to reduce his suspension period, Asif confessed to his involvement in spot-fixing in August 2013

I've never seen anyone deny his convictions.

I accept that he wasn't paid for his no-ball and that he did it as a favour under pressure from his manager. But that's still just as big an offence - he deliberately bowled a no-ball on cue.

I'm glad that he was banned for 5 years. But it was quite a heavy penalty for a relatively small offence, and now that the ICC says he's free to play, he should be allowed to show what he is or isn't capable of.

 

[gazza619]

I think the point in Australia (and England) is that you can't afford to have a no-pressure third or fourth bowler like Craig or Moeen or even Stokes.

You will need bowling partnerships in every session such as:

Amir + Asif
Wahab + Yasir

Yes that is right. Plus you will need all eleven players, coach and the cricket board wanting to win all matches and play with honesty (if u know what i mean).


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[GoUgandaCranes]

So all said and done - any other updates on how Asif is doing or do we need more mudsliging here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kevin Pietersen reckons Asif was the toughest bowler has has ever faced , Sehwag was a sitting duck vs Asif everytime they played , AB devilliers was owned by Asif in southafrica and was on the verge of being dropped .
What a criminal waste of a career.

Lot of exxageration.

In tests Sehwag faced Asif in 3 innings only.Out which 2 were on a seaming pitch in Karachi.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In Odis Sehwag faced Asif again in 3 innings and avgd 48.33.So much for a sitting duck.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

For a young ABDV in Tests

He avgd 43 when playing Asif in Pakistan,though Asif dominated him in SA.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In ODIs Asif again was owned by ABDV with an avg of 63.8

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround


The overhyping of Asif on this forum is hilarious.

 

[Slog]

Joshila you're being very sour lol


Go watch Karachi test video of Sachin bowing down to Asif

Or Asif rattling Sehwags stumps in T20 WC07

 

[Pete Rose]

The most epic typo, had me laughing at work HAHA!

It was my grand plan to introduce levity in this thread which is currently polluted by childish squabbling. Hehe

 

[asyed]

It doesn't answer OP one bit. Here's the question from OP:

I provide what's available online. Is there something wrong with it?

You don't like my post then learn how to ignore bro (I wasn't even communicating with you in for first place).

 

[Syed1]

The most epic typo, had me laughing at work HAHA!

I thought Germans were known for their efficiency and work ethic and not the ability to browse PP at work

 

[octavian]

joshila's insecurities have massively derailed this thread.

Any other reports of how Asif has been bowling?

 

[Commander]

I thought Germans were known for their efficiency and work ethic and not the ability to browse PP at work

So much drama and entertainment in Pakistan cricket, you can excuse the Germans for getting distracted a bit

 

[Monsee]

You could literally see the grass piece stuck in the seam in that Sachin ball which he was picking. Are ypu going to straight up lie now?

Must be some BCCI sponsored pics that all Indian fans have to only see with their eyes closed; what are you on about, the ball is shinning like a mirror in those pics and you accuse others of lying, wow?

 

[Monsee]

Joshila you're being very sour lol


Go watch Karachi test video of Sachin bowing down to Asif

Or Asif rattling Sehwags stumps in T20 WC07

Is that any surprise, he comes here to make us aware that anything Pakistani cannot be superior especially when Indians say so!

That Karachi seaming pitch was not seaming when first 7 of Pak batsmen were scoring 50's or more plus Faithal scoring a 139, of all the people; it resumed it's seaming nature only once India started batting, go figure that one out!

What a waste of space

 

[Slog]

You could literally see the grass piece stuck in the seam in that Sachin ball which he was picking. Are ypu going to straight up lie now?

lmao at 'see the grass piece stuck in the seam.'

LMAO )

This is epic!

 

[zabalestmsm]

Lot of exxageration.

In tests Sehwag faced Asif in 3 innings only.Out which 2 were on a seaming pitch in Karachi.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In Odis Sehwag faced Asif again in 3 innings and avgd 48.33.So much for a sitting duck.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

For a young ABDV in Tests

He avgd 43 when playing Asif in Pakistan,though Asif dominated him in SA.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In ODIs Asif again was owned by ABDV with an avg of 63.8

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround


The overhyping of Asif on this forum is hilarious.

I rate Gul better than Asif in ODIs! No need to dig out his ODI stats at all! It was the Test format where he was good! If he is to be discussed, it should be mainly because of his Test record so far! But he is like incomplete! Less than 50 Tests dont prove much! Lets see how he goes in this aggressive era!

 

[zabalestmsm]

From NCA to NCA! what a journey for Asif in this thread lol!

 

[asyed]

Joshila you're being very sour lol

Go watch Karachi test video of Sachin bowing down to Asif

Or Asif rattling Sehwags stumps in T20 WC07

Couldn't agree more.

What staggering is that if somebody doesn't like him or doesn't believe on this skill-set then why bother posting comments on such a thread in the first place?

What's so difficult to ignore and move on?

 

[asyed]

I rate Gul better than Asif in ODIs! No need to dig out his ODI stats at all! It was the Test format where he was good! If he is to be discussed, it should be mainly because of his Test record so far! But he is like incomplete! Less than 50 Tests dont prove much! Lets see how he goes in this aggressive era!

[MENTION=133627]zabalestmsm[/MENTION] bro, the thing is you're up against a sore poster, who will never ever accept the skill-set Asif possess. No matter what you do, he'll twist and turn the argument and bring in numbers all the time to support his claims.

 

[ethan hunt]

Lot of exxageration.

In tests Sehwag faced Asif in 3 innings only.Out which 2 were on a seaming pitch in Karachi.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In Odis Sehwag faced Asif again in 3 innings and avgd 48.33.So much for a sitting duck.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

For a young ABDV in Tests

He avgd 43 when playing Asif in Pakistan,though Asif dominated him in SA.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround

In ODIs Asif again was owned by ABDV with an avg of 63.8

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=19627;template=results;type=allround


The overhyping of Asif on this forum is hilarious.

I am not overhyping Asif , I was merely quoting Kevin pietersen and James andersen .
LOL .This is not how you calculate the average of a batsman vs a particular bowler , but nice try .
Asif the test bowler averaged less than 25 for over a hundred test wickets .

 

[ethan hunt]

I rate Gul better than Asif in ODIs! No need to dig out his ODI stats at all! It was the Test format where he was good! If he is to be discussed, it should be mainly because of his Test record so far! But he is like incomplete! Less than 50 Tests dont prove much! Lets see how he goes in this aggressive era!

Batsmen like KP , Abdv and Sehwag at the mercy of his mastery .
Over a hundred test wickets at around 23 , isn't that a better record than any Indian pacer , correct me if i am wrong ??

 

[zabalestmsm]

Batsmen like KP , Abdv and Sehwag at the mercy of his mastery .
Over a hundred test wickets at around 23 , isn't that a better record than any Indian pacer , correct me if i am wrong ??

Why not!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Batsmen like KP , Abdv and Sehwag at the mercy of his mastery .
Over a hundred test wickets at around 23 , isn't that a better record than any Indian pacer , correct me if i am wrong ??

24 not 23.

And he hardly bowled to them much to be saying so called at mercy.

He was owned by Sehwag and ABDV in ODIs.

 

[BDwarriors]

I hope you are not sacrificing many more young Amirs just so Asif can bowl a few magic deliveries again.

in which cave they are living?

 

[yadunoe]

It's fine, test victory in Australia means soooo much more than a odi or t20 victory

yes that is true

 

[godzilla]

instead of this bs yawn of indian comparison to asif, does anyone actually have an answer to the thread OP?

 

[zabalestmsm]

24 not 23.

And he hardly bowled to them much to be saying so called at mercy.

He was owned by Sehwag and ABDV in ODIs.

He was not good in ODIs! So doesnt matter I guess!

 

[zabalestmsm]

instead of this bs yawn of indian comparison to asif, does anyone actually have an answer to the thread OP?

its has (u)turned out to be an epic thread! No answer to the opening post yet! )

 

[Gabbar Singh]

When will we see Asif back playing - what is the hold up?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

When will we see Asif back playing - what is the hold up?

He will be playing list A cricket from 5th January onwards. If Wapda play the final of national one day cup than you might see him and Salman if Ptv broadcast it live. Sometimes ptv shows one day cup final and sometimes they don't.

 

[Cricket-passion]

According to an article on another website today, Mohammad Asif has been busy "making fools of the best batsmen in the country" in the nets at the NCA in Lahore.

Do we have any other reports on how he is performing?

I was wondering why the PCB had initially set a date of late February for Asif and Butt to have clearance to play, only for them to now advance it to next month.

Is this why?

I have to admit that I have considered that - even at the same age as Jimmy Anderson - I thought that Asif was unlikely to regain his former performance levels. Not too many 33 year old pacemen make waves.

But if - and it is a very big if - Asif is back to somewhere near his former level, suddenly a year on the road to England, New Zealand and Australia is transformed from a potential disaster to a potential triumph.

A Test bowling attack outside Asia of:

8. Mohammad Amir
9. Yasir Shah
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Mohammad Asif


.......would be clearly the best in the world, by a massive margin.

All i can say we are very emotional fans. Yasir Shah is facing likely suspension and that makes this post pretty much dead.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

He will be playing list A cricket from 5th January onwards. If Wapda play the final of national one day cup than you might see him and Salman if Ptv broadcast it live. Sometimes ptv shows one day cup final and sometimes they don't.

Bhai, do you live in Pakistan?

Is it possible for you to attend a domestic match live?

 

[liaqat]

How i miss his magic with the ball.

Love to see him back in a green shirt,

 

[Generational Talent]

I can't think of anyone else in the world who doesn't rate Asif lol. In fact, many put him above Amir for the great skillset and wrists he has.

Not sure how do you watch cricket. Bringing some average stats from a tour of Australia to prove Asif was average? Lol. Even those from Australia rate him highly. Few stats from Aus tour don't mean anything.

Now don't tell me Amir is also poor because he has average stats on that Aus tour. or heck, even Boult/Steyn.

I think you should let go of your ego and watch a few spells of Asif's bowling on YouTube. If you're a cricket fan, specially who understands bowling, you'll become his fan and wouldn't he able to resist saying WOW.

100% agree with this. Asif is cut from a different cloth, he made fools of batsman a regular thing. The people who disagree have no clue about cricket or are just jealous of his abilities. Hoping he makes a comeback.

 

[Ironcat]

Asif had lost a bit of the bite that used to define him as the bowler when he returned in 2009/2010. He was venomous until his ban in 2007, but primarily had flashes of brilliance in 2009/2010. In the 4-test England series in 2010, he averaged 34 with the ball.

Other than Kaneria, he was the worst performer among the bowlers in the 2010 England series:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla.../most_wickets_career.html?id=5506;type=series

I expect a lot of the same regression if he returns today. I think he needs to put in a lot of hard work to be anywhere close to his 2007 oscar winners being quoted from Youtube .

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If I am being blatantly honest here, there is no point in rating a convicted fixer.

Yes, if you forced my hand, I would say he was a good test bowler with potential to be great test bowler. He had the deliveries and the ability to outthink and outfox the batsmen regularly. The greater the batsmen, the greater joy Asif took in taking up the challenge.

HIs ODI bowling wasn't much to talk about but that's because in ODI's you can't bowl 125 and not get penalized if you err in line and length.

In terms of skill, I'd rate him behind Imran, Wasim, and Waqar and some other bowlers.

But his test potential was higher and had he played, he would have eclipsed some other bowlers based on pure thinking skill, and ability to get the ball to do things.

Of course, he is no ATG , and whether he would have become one is purely speculation.

Fact remains a habitual serial offender should be remembered for what he is : a habitual offender, not some glorious cricketer who was amazing, but life had a cruel twist for him. He did everything on his own, and he should be taken apart and took to dust.

 

[Bilal7]

Will be nice to see him back but the outrage over his inclusion will be three times what Amir faced. If he is to be back though, it should be for the series in England where he can out-bowl every current bowler.

 

[yasir]

I walked past Trent Boult on a pedestrian crossing on Tuesday night, and was a bit shocked at how short he was - he's only a couple of inches bigger than me.

I would fancy Southee and Boult to do well everywhere - except Australia.

But Asif and Amir are similar to Southee and Boult, but Asif is slightly better than Southee is. And then comes the kicker - Yasir Shah is much, much better than Mark Craig (or Mitchell Santner) and Wahab Riaz has the pace and bounce to be much more dangerous in Australia than Dougie Bracewell (whom I actually like).

Pakistan's attack - if they pick the fixers - is as good as any to tour Australia in modern times. There is no weak link - and it would be strengthened even further if they would pick Irfan.

The issue, as you have rightly identified, is the batting. But Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali are fine and the thing which will decide whether the batting has a par score of 200 or 300 will be whether Pakistan select the only two current batsmen whose techniques have worked in Tests in Australia - which means Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

If they pick those two they will be in every match. If they don't, they can't score enough runs in Australian conditions.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] I love your passion for us... I wish our selectors are that bold in selection. With this attack Pakistan can win in Sydney. All they need is one more win to make history....

OZs don't have that kind of variety, Asif is tall and experienced in Australia as well. People have to keep in mind he bowled out Australia at 125(Sydney) and 88(Oval England)... He is second coming of McGrath and can be very dangerous...Wahab is as good as Johnson, he is still young and fired up on those bouncy tracks, he knows what length to bowl in Australia (very few fast bowler know that), on Auses pitches he can be handful... If there is anything in the pitch Amir will get it, Watch out Warner for late swing,Amir will get you Amir... And smith's Shuffle may not work against Amir and Asif.

I will talk about batting later in the year, focus should be on selecting young her players, with good reflexes... Umar and Babar along with Azhar, Shafiq (he played well in SA), along with Butt who has decent record in Australia... Harris Sohail is not bad option, he played well in WC, specially new ball... Other saving grace for our batsmen is absence of Johnson, others don't have such a terrorizing short ball, if they make green and bouncy wickets, well we have Wahab and Amir too [emoji6][emoji6]

Depending upon what squad we select, we can be very competitive and give to both Auses and England run for the money!!!




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[yasir]

If I am being blatantly honest here, there is no point in rating a convicted fixer.

Yes, if you forced my hand, I would say he was a good test bowler with potential to be great test bowler. He had the deliveries and the ability to outthink and outfox the batsmen regularly. The greater the batsmen, the greater joy Asif took in taking up the challenge.

HIs ODI bowling wasn't much to talk about but that's because in ODI's you can't bowl 125 and not get penalized if you err in line and length.

In terms of skill, I'd rate him behind Imran, Wasim, and Waqar and some other bowlers.

But his test potential was higher and had he played, he would have eclipsed some other bowlers based on pure thinking skill, and ability to get the ball to do things.

Of course, he is no ATG , and whether he would have become one is purely speculation.

Fact remains a habitual serial offender should be remembered for what he is : a habitual offender, not some glorious cricketer who was amazing, but life had a cruel twist for him. He did everything on his own, and he should be taken apart and took to dust.

His new ball bowling skills are as good as many or most ATGs... He has taken very high percentage(86%, higher than anybody else in 21st century)of top 5 batsmen, all others (Imran, Wasim, Waqar) had taken lot of lower order batsmen with reverse swing and Yorkers. His seam wobbling skill was class of his own, I have not seen any body wobble the seam as good as him including McGrath....


He has taken fifer in 5 different countries ( Pak, SL, SA, ENG, AUS) in very first series he played in those countries. Those fifers include lot of top quality batsmen, many ATGs including Ponting, Clark, Hassey, Kallis, AB, Amla, SRT, Dravid, VVX, Sanga, MJ, Cook, KP.... Every great batsman he bowl at, he got him out, many times at their home and mostly by out foxing them.... KP deemed him unplayable... Anderson (master of swing in last 5 years), came to him for learning seam wobbling.... He had won us test matches in every series he played.


In ODI he will be lot more useful now, since there are two new balls, he knows how to bowl with new ball, better than any body I have seen form Pakistan in last 30 years.

As far as him being fixer, first of all that was spot fixing not match fixing, there is a big difference, plus that was media sting operation. He did not got any money for bowling that no ball... He was dealing with his PCB authorized agent and not third party bookie, who happen to be managing 70% of Pakistan playing 11 for 3 years... PCB was at much bigger fault then the trio.... They never back ground checked that guy even after Sydney test.

Secondly, as a cricket fan I can rate his performance on the field(which is 80% if not more of his job honesty), I hardly remember any spell or match where he was below par, he rarely bowled too many bad balls(something not true for even legends of Pakistan, because none of them where line and length control bowlers). He almost always use to get wickets in first spell, if not wicket very mean spell that test batsman. He was world no 2(after Styen, when he left cricket), even while playing in Asia, won us matches in every test series he played. I don't remember a single match we lost(even a session) because of him... How can you be a world class bowler and fixing matches left and right?? - Why fixing never showed in his performance?? - this puzzles me how a world class bowler be a serial match fixer?? - that is oxymoron...

He was a shady character, but I don't buy he was a serial(even if a single) match fixer... baad say badnam bura !!


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[Dr_Bassim]

His new ball bowling skills are as good as many or most ATGs... He has taken very high percentage(86%, higher than anybody else in 21st century)of top 5 batsmen, all others (Imran, Wasim, Waqar) had taken lot of lower order batsmen with reverse swing and Yorkers. His seam wobbling skill was class of his own, I have not seen any body wobble the seam as good as him including McGrath....


He has taken fifer in 5 different countries ( Pak, SL, SA, ENG, AUS) in very first series he played in those countries. Those fifers include lot of top quality batsmen, many ATGs including Ponting, Clark, Hassey, Kallis, AB, Amla, SRT, Dravid, VVX, Sanga, MJ, Cook, KP.... Every great batsman he bowl at, he got him out, many times at their home and mostly by out foxing them.... KP deemed him unplayable... Anderson (master of swing in last 5 years), came to him for learning seam wobbling.... He had won us test matches in every series he played.


In ODI he will be lot more useful now, since there are two new balls, he knows how to bowl with new ball, better than any body I have seen form Pakistan in last 30 years.

As far as him being fixer, first of all that was spot fixing not match fixing, there is a big difference, plus that was media sting operation. He did not got any money for bowling that no ball... He was dealing with his PCB authorized agent and not third party bookie, who happen to be managing 70% of Pakistan playing 11 for 3 years... PCB was at much bigger fault then the trio.... They never back ground checked that guy even after Sydney test.

Secondly, as a cricket fan I can rate his performance on the field(which is 80% if not more of his job honesty), I hardly remember any spell or match where he was below par, he rarely bowled too many bad balls(something not true for even legends of Pakistan, because none of them where line and length control bowlers). He almost always use to get wickets in first spell, if not wicket very mean spell that test batsman. He was world no 2(after Styen, when he left cricket), even while playing in Asia, won us matches in every test series he played. I don't remember a single match we lost(even a session) because of him... How can you be a world class bowler and fixing matches left and right?? - Why fixing never showed in his performance?? - this puzzles me how a world class bowler be a serial match fixer?? - that is oxymoron...

He was a shady character, but I don't buy he was a serial(even if a single) match fixer... baad say badnam bura !!


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Not doubting his skills.

He had many including, drugs, steroids, spot-fixing and many others.

A person who repeatedly commits offences, should not be looked upon.

Even PCB shouldn't be that dumb.

 

[ShahidNaziir]

bring him back guys.. someone should post a recording of his first domestic and post it here

 

[goran]

His new ball bowling skills are as good as many or most ATGs... He has taken very high percentage(86%, higher than anybody else in 21st century)of top 5 batsmen, all others (Imran, Wasim, Waqar) had taken lot of lower order batsmen with reverse swing and Yorkers. His seam wobbling skill was class of his own, I have not seen any body wobble the seam as good as him including McGrath....


He has taken fifer in 5 different countries ( Pak, SL, SA, ENG, AUS) in very first series he played in those countries. Those fifers include lot of top quality batsmen, many ATGs including Ponting, Clark, Hassey, Kallis, AB, Amla, SRT, Dravid, VVX, Sanga, MJ, Cook, KP.... Every great batsman he bowl at, he got him out, many times at their home and mostly by out foxing them.... KP deemed him unplayable... Anderson (master of swing in last 5 years), came to him for learning seam wobbling.... He had won us test matches in every series he played.


In ODI he will be lot more useful now, since there are two new balls, he knows how to bowl with new ball, better than any body I have seen form Pakistan in last 30 years.

As far as him being fixer, first of all that was spot fixing not match fixing, there is a big difference, plus that was media sting operation. He did not got any money for bowling that no ball... He was dealing with his PCB authorized agent and not third party bookie, who happen to be managing 70% of Pakistan playing 11 for 3 years... PCB was at much bigger fault then the trio.... They never back ground checked that guy even after Sydney test.

Secondly, as a cricket fan I can rate his performance on the field(which is 80% if not more of his job honesty), I hardly remember any spell or match where he was below par, he rarely bowled too many bad balls(something not true for even legends of Pakistan, because none of them where line and length control bowlers). He almost always use to get wickets in first spell, if not wicket very mean spell that test batsman. He was world no 2(after Styen, when he left cricket), even while playing in Asia, won us matches in every test series he played. I don't remember a single match we lost(even a session) because of him... How can you be a world class bowler and fixing matches left and right?? - Why fixing never showed in his performance?? - this puzzles me how a world class bowler be a serial match fixer?? - that is oxymoron...

He was a shady character, but I don't buy he was a serial(even if a single) match fixer... baad say badnam bura !!


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Very well said, great post bro....

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

His new ball bowling skills are as good as many or most ATGs... He has taken very high percentage(86%, higher than anybody else in 21st century)of top 5 batsmen, all others (Imran, Wasim, Waqar) had taken lot of lower order batsmen with reverse swing and Yorkers. His seam wobbling skill was class of his own, I have not seen any body wobble the seam as good as him including McGrath....


He has taken fifer in 5 different countries ( Pak, SL, SA, ENG, AUS) in very first series he played in those countries. Those fifers include lot of top quality batsmen, many ATGs including Ponting, Clark, Hassey, Kallis, AB, Amla, SRT, Dravid, VVX, Sanga, MJ, Cook, KP.... Every great batsman he bowl at, he got him out, many times at their home and mostly by out foxing them.... KP deemed him unplayable... Anderson (master of swing in last 5 years), came to him for learning seam wobbling.... He had won us test matches in every series he played.


In ODI he will be lot more useful now, since there are two new balls, he knows how to bowl with new ball, better than any body I have seen form Pakistan in last 30 years.

As far as him being fixer, first of all that was spot fixing not match fixing, there is a big difference, plus that was media sting operation. He did not got any money for bowling that no ball... He was dealing with his PCB authorized agent and not third party bookie, who happen to be managing 70% of Pakistan playing 11 for 3 years... PCB was at much bigger fault then the trio.... They never back ground checked that guy even after Sydney test.

Secondly, as a cricket fan I can rate his performance on the field(which is 80% if not more of his job honesty), I hardly remember any spell or match where he was below par, he rarely bowled too many bad balls(something not true for even legends of Pakistan, because none of them where line and length control bowlers). He almost always use to get wickets in first spell, if not wicket very mean spell that test batsman. He was world no 2(after Styen, when he left cricket), even while playing in Asia, won us matches in every test series he played. I don't remember a single match we lost(even a session) because of him... How can you be a world class bowler and fixing matches left and right?? - Why fixing never showed in his performance?? - this puzzles me how a world class bowler be a serial match fixer?? - that is oxymoron...

He was a shady character, but I don't buy he was a serial(even if a single) match fixer... baad say badnam bura !!


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Quality Post. Fully agree with you. He did spot fixing , it was a crime and very bad crime and got severely punished and rightly so. Should not have done it.

I have watched each and every match he played. I never ever felt that Asif bowled below par . Never ever felt his bowling was shaddy.

In test cricket era he played in no bowler dismissed top players of opposition as often as he did. The 86 % figure is just remarkable.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

When will we see Asif back playing - what is the hold up?

Very soon. Trust PCB completely to bring back both Asif and Butt.

Will be a glorious site to see Amir/Asif/Butt playing for Pakistan again. So much love, cant wait.

It was just a minor fixing they did for money and went to jail, no big deal as far as PCB is concerned. Well in Asif's case he was also caught doping before, actually wait he was also caught carrying drugs in airport prior to that BUT its ok man, no big deal as far as PCB.

They are talented and will be back soon

 

[shaz619]

His new ball bowling skills are as good as many or most ATGs... He has taken very high percentage(86%, higher than anybody else in 21st century)of top 5 batsmen, all others (Imran, Wasim, Waqar) had taken lot of lower order batsmen with reverse swing and Yorkers. His seam wobbling skill was class of his own, I have not seen any body wobble the seam as good as him including McGrath....


He has taken fifer in 5 different countries ( Pak, SL, SA, ENG, AUS) in very first series he played in those countries. Those fifers include lot of top quality batsmen, many ATGs including Ponting, Clark, Hassey, Kallis, AB, Amla, SRT, Dravid, VVX, Sanga, MJ, Cook, KP.... Every great batsman he bowl at, he got him out, many times at their home and mostly by out foxing them.... KP deemed him unplayable... Anderson (master of swing in last 5 years), came to him for learning seam wobbling.... He had won us test matches in every series he played.


In ODI he will be lot more useful now, since there are two new balls, he knows how to bowl with new ball, better than any body I have seen form Pakistan in last 30 years.

As far as him being fixer, first of all that was spot fixing not match fixing, there is a big difference, plus that was media sting operation. He did not got any money for bowling that no ball... He was dealing with his PCB authorized agent and not third party bookie, who happen to be managing 70% of Pakistan playing 11 for 3 years... PCB was at much bigger fault then the trio.... They never back ground checked that guy even after Sydney test.

Secondly, as a cricket fan I can rate his performance on the field(which is 80% if not more of his job honesty), I hardly remember any spell or match where he was below par, he rarely bowled too many bad balls(something not true for even legends of Pakistan, because none of them where line and length control bowlers). He almost always use to get wickets in first spell, if not wicket very mean spell that test batsman. He was world no 2(after Styen, when he left cricket), even while playing in Asia, won us matches in every test series he played. I don't remember a single match we lost(even a session) because of him... How can you be a world class bowler and fixing matches left and right?? - Why fixing never showed in his performance?? - this puzzles me how a world class bowler be a serial match fixer?? - that is oxymoron...

He was a shady character, but I don't buy he was a serial(even if a single) match fixer... baad say badnam bura !!


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Brilliant Post mate!

Also incredibly depressing because the chances of Asif playing for Pakistan are slim unfortunately. I hope that if he does get to play FC cricket in Pak he annihilates everyone putting pressure on the PCB to bring him back but just look at the fuss certain folk have created over Aamirs return, Asif has no chance because somehow everyone has accepted that his offence was greater then Aamirs when this was not the case. However he didn't do himself any favours by leaving the apology and pleading guilty a bit late and that has hurt his reputation but then again there was little he could do in-regards to that when you consider his previous offences involving steroids, not paying back some woman who borrowed him money and getting high in countries he wasn't supposed but all of these acts are also incredibly exaggerated by the fans to create this Scarface Persona for Asif

 

[BDwarriors]

He is my best bowler of cricket game. The lost of Asif was 3 time more harmful than amir in last 5 years. And he could have easily take more wicket than wasim in test had he played last t years. Asif is still double dangerous than amir. Asif should definately back.

 

[New Yorker]

Brilliant Post mate!

Also incredibly depressing because the chances of Asif playing for Pakistan are slim unfortunately. I hope that if he does get to play FC cricket in Pak he annihilates everyone putting pressure on the PCB to bring him back but just look at the fuss certain folk have created over Aamirs return, Asif has no chance because somehow everyone has accepted that his offence was greater then Aamirs when this was not the case. However he didn't do himself any favours by leaving the apology and pleading guilty a bit late and that has hurt his reputation but then again there was little he could do in-regards to that when you consider his previous offences involving steroids, not paying back some woman who borrowed him money and getting high in countries he wasn't supposed but all of these acts are also incredibly exaggerated by the fans to create this Scarface Persona for Asif

what country was he supposed to get high in? having a joint doesn't make him his a shady character in my eye, in fact it rather makes me like him more. too much moralizing going on in the game as is.

 

[gazza619]

If I am being blatantly honest here, there is no point in rating a convicted fixer.

Yes, if you forced my hand, I would say he was a good test bowler with potential to be great test bowler. He had the deliveries and the ability to outthink and outfox the batsmen regularly. The greater the batsmen, the greater joy Asif took in taking up the challenge.

HIs ODI bowling wasn't much to talk about but that's because in ODI's you can't bowl 125 and not get penalized if you err in line and length.

In terms of skill, I'd rate him behind Imran, Wasim, and Waqar and some other bowlers.

But his test potential was higher and had he played, he would have eclipsed some other bowlers based on pure thinking skill, and ability to get the ball to do things.

Of course, he is no ATG , and whether he would have become one is purely speculation.

Fact remains a habitual serial offender should be remembered for what he is : a habitual offender, not some glorious cricketer who was amazing, but life had a cruel twist for him. He did everything on his own, and he should be taken apart and took to dust.

good post. pretty much agree to everything u said.

 

[ExplicitAI]

This is kinda making me want Asif back in the team

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Bhai, do you live in Pakistan?

Is it possible for you to attend a domestic match live?

Moved out lately for studies.

 

[Yanna_Rascala]

Very soon. Trust PCB completely to bring back both Asif and Butt.

Will be a glorious site to see Amir/Asif/Butt playing for Pakistan again. So much love, cant wait.

It was just a minor fixing they did for money and went to jail, no big deal as far as PCB is concerned. Well in Asif's case he was also caught doping before, actually wait he was also caught carrying drugs in airport prior to that BUT its ok man, no big deal as far as PCB.

They are talented and will be back soon

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? We will select them in the team on merit, but we won't elect as MPs to run our country. I can guarantee you that much.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? We will select them in the team on merit, but we won't elect as MPs to run our country. I can guarantee you that much.

Agree bro...lots of merit in selecting fixers

BTW MP's dont run country, ministers do. Just saying

 

[osee_bhai]

Asif is one of my favourite bowlers of the modern era, he can do amazing things with the ball in his hand, and he's a delight to watch.

But this isn't the first infringement he's been a part of. He's a serial troublemaker who denied his wrongdoing in the spotfixing trial for as long as he could. He's also 33, and it's really not worth going down this path again.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Asif is one of my favourite bowlers of the modern era, he can do amazing things with the ball in his hand, and he's a delight to watch.

But this isn't the first infringement he's been a part of. He's a serial troublemaker who denied his wrongdoing in the spotfixing trial for as long as he could. He's also 33, and it's really not worth going down this path again.

Won't mind his age if he can win us few test matches and odi's between June 2016 and June 2017 in England , Australia and New Zealand. He is 33 McGrath was good enough till 36 , Walsh was good enough till 38. It's all about fitness and performance.

 

[osee_bhai]

Won't mind his age if he can win us few test matches and odi's between June 2016 and June 2017 in England , Australia and New Zealand. He is 33 McGrath was good enough till 36 , Walsh was good enough till 38. It's all about fitness and performance.

I agree that he probably has another 2-3 years at the minimum left in him, it wasn't like he relied on his athleticism anyway. But the point is that you may overlook other issues if the player is looked at as a long term investment, where maybe a young player has many mistakes in his youth. Sadly, Asif has always been a troublemaker for us. I don't trust him to clean up his act even if he returns.

 

[Yanna_Rascala]

Agree bro...lots of merit in selecting fixers

BTW MP's dont run country, ministers do. Just saying

Don't your MPs have a major say in laws that are being passed? They play a much more prominent role in a country's governance than a cricket player. But to each their own, considering your PM is also a shady character

 

[larkykid]

Won't mind his age if he can win us few test matches and odi's between June 2016 and June 2017 in England , Australia and New Zealand. He is 33 McGrath was good enough till 36 , Walsh was good enough till 38. It's all about fitness and performance.

Yeah, but the momentum they gained from playing in prior years helped them prolong their careers, something which Asif does not have.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yeah, but the momentum they gained from playing in prior years helped them prolong their careers, something which Asif does not have.

He weighs the same after 5 years and is quite fit. He did not experience 5 years toll of international cricket on his body with multiple injuries and Wear and tear.

If he performs well in domestic cricket he can give us good 2 , 3 years in odi and test cricket especially test cricket.

If he goes Walsh's way than may play the 2019 worldcup as well

 

[LordJames]

He weighs the same after 5 years and is quite fit. He did not experience 5 years toll of international cricket on his body with multiple injuries and Wear and tear.

If he performs well in domestic cricket he can give us good 2 , 3 years in odi and test cricket especially test cricket.

If he goes Walsh's way than may play the 2019 worldcup as well

Asif was a Magician with the ball and if he still retains 70-80% of his skillset he can walk into any Test team in the world...

 

[Chrish]

At the age of 33, no realistic chance of making a successful comeback

 

[JilaWatan]

At the age of 33, no realistic chance of making a successful comeback

which would make sense if he had 5 years of cricket. but that isnt the case, like one of the posters said the wear and tear is a lot less than lets say someone like gul.

 

[ShahidNaziir]

ameen