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Afghans won’t compromise on Durand Line: Hamid Karzai

Kabul: The former Afghan President Hamid Karzai said the Pakistani military has repeatedly forced Afghanistan to recognize Durand Line, as the formal border line between the two countries.

Speaking during a one-day seminar organized on the issue of Durand Line, Karzai insisted that the people of Afghanistan remains committed regarding their rights and will not make any compromise, to recognize the Durand Line as the formal border line.

He said the Afghan nation will never compromise with their rights and called on Pakistan, to allow the nations live in a peaceful environment. Karzai also expressed concerns regarding persisting efforts to keep the residents along the Durand Line away by limiting their access to education.

The porous Durand Line has also been a source of tension between Afghanistan and Pakistan where numeous cross-border attacks have been carried out. The cross-border incursions involving the Pakistani military escalated last year in eastern provinces of Afghanistan, particularly the eastern Kunar and Nuristan.

The shelling which started earlier last year continued for several months and sporadic shelling and clash still taking place occasionally. At least three Pakistani soldiers and eight members of the Afghan border police lost their lives in the latest clash along the Durand Line late last month.

The Pakistani ambassador in Kabul Syed Abrar Hussain was summoned in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan (MoFA) shortly after the incident where a strong protest was lodged regarding the provocative moves by the Pakistani military.

The Pakistani envoy was also summoned by the Ministry of Foreign Affiars in July to protest against border violation and cross-border shelling.

http://nation.com.pk/international/08-Sep-2015/afghans-won-t-compromise-on-durand-line-hamid-karzai
 
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Ironically Pakistan never used to police the frontier areas and gave the residents a lot of leeway until that leniency was repaid by terrorist attacks sponsored by outside agents.
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.

LOL , have you been to kPK?? you are referring to probably the most patriotic people in the country .Pashtuns have massive representation in the country's army .
 
While Pashtuns are the most patriotic people in the country , they are also very proud of their ethnicity ( which is a good thing ) that they share with the Afghans. Its not uncommon to come across Pakistani Pashtuns who are proud of their Afghan heritage, most are .

Now compare it with the Pakistani Punjabis , is there any Punjabi Brotherhood with people across the border in Indian Punjab ? There isnt any from both sides.

Pro Ethnicity is not Anti-Pakistan.

Pashtuns are very proud of their culture , language and history which hasnt began only after 1947:)
 
I always noticed Pakistani Pashtuns are the most patriotic when you compare them with Punjabis or Sindhis.

ofcourse there are some nationalists but they exist in Sindh and Baluchistan too but they are very small in numbers even nationalist parties like ANP are no more using the pakhtoon card that much these days like they used to do in past because they have finally realized it's not working.
 
What's the story behind Durand line? Is it one of those cases where some one sitting 1000 miles away took a pen to draw a line on map without putting any thought?
 
What's the story behind Durand line? Is it one of those cases where some one sitting 1000 miles away took a pen to draw a line on map without putting any thought?

More like hurriedly drew a line while his ship back to the UK was almost out of the harbour..


Pakistanis have accepted the Durrand Line and will fight tooth and nail to keep it as it is..
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.

Your understanding is very wrong then unfortunately.

Pakistani Pashtuns Ive met esp urban ones detest Afghan Pashtuns from what I have seen

They call them Afghani in a derogotary way
 
Isn't it very analogous to Pakistan-India situation, smaller neighbor crying over its "supposed rights", Bigger one flexing its muscles and people from both nations bad mouthing each others!

Replace Pakistan by India and Afghanistan by Pakistan... the thread would need little editing !!
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.

Lol,i am a pathan from KPK. There is none such thing you are saying
 
Isn't it very analogous to Pakistan-India situation, smaller neighbor crying over its "supposed rights", Bigger one flexing its muscles and people from both nations bad mouthing each others!

Replace Pakistan by India and Afghanistan by Pakistan... the thread would need little editing !!

true to an extent

the only but major and crucial difference between the 2 is that the source of contention between India and Pakistan ie Kashmir is recognized as a dispute by the UN whereas this one is not.
 
true to an extent

the only but major and crucial difference between the 2 is that the source of contention between India and Pakistan ie Kashmir is recognized as a dispute by the UN whereas this one is not.

we can all go to the minor details to highlight the differences,

but I find Shockingly similar is the tone of posts of posts by many Pakistani PPers for Afghanistan here is no different from what I hear from those of RSS/VHP for Pakistan.
 
If Afghanistan merges into Pakistan then it will solve this issue.
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.
The Pashtuns i have met in the UK also seem to be more proud to be Pashtun than being Pakistani. Ethnic identity is always worn as a badge of honour rather than national identity. Maybe in Pakistan its different

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The Pashtuns i have met in the UK also seem to be more proud to be Pashtun than being Pakistani. Ethnic identity is always worn as a badge of honour rather than national identity. Maybe in Pakistan its different

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No alot of Pashtuns in Pakistan feel the same way.

However, it does not mean they want to join afghanistan. They will laugh in your face if you ask them if they want to do that.

You have to be careful who you talk to in Pakistan though because there are upwards of 2 million afghan refugees mostly pashtun, and they are almost impossible to differentiate with Pakistani Pashtuns. Some of them obviously want KPK to join Afghanistan.
 
The Pashtuns i have met in the UK also seem to be more proud to be Pashtun than being Pakistani. Ethnic identity is always worn as a badge of honour rather than national identity. Maybe in Pakistan its different

Which is fair enough really, they usually are quite proud of their code of conduct. Whether you agree with it or not, there's no denying that a lot of Pakistanis could do with emulating some aspects of it.
 
No alot of Pashtuns in Pakistan feel the same way.

However, it does not mean they want to join afghanistan. They will laugh in your face if you ask them if they want to do that.

You have to be careful who you talk to in Pakistan though because there are upwards of 2 million afghan refugees mostly pashtun, and they are almost impossible to differentiate with Pakistani Pashtuns. Some of them obviously want KPK to join Afghanistan.
How did KPK end up becoming a part of Pakistan and not Afghanistan when culturally linguistically they have much more in common with Afgan Pashtuns tham.Punjabis or Sindhis.

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Which is fair enough really, they usually are quite proud of their code of conduct. Whether you agree with it or not, there's no denying that a lot of Pakistanis could do with emulating some aspects of it.
a lot of Pashtuns over here are involved in the drug trade and criminal activity. Idk how they follow a great code of conduct here. They are really protective of their culture but most pathans i know are ultra religious and backwards in a lot of aspects.

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How did KPK end up becoming a part of Pakistan and not Afghanistan when culturally linguistically they have much more in common with Afgan Pashtuns tham.Punjabis or Sindhis.

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Afghanistan itself is a mixture of different races, Pashtun areas are mainly straddling Pakistan and Afghan border, the rest of Afghanistan might be dominated by Tajiks in some areas and Hazaras in others. It's hardly made up of just one homogenous group who share the same culture.
 
Afghanistan itself is a mixture of different races, Pashtun areas are mainly straddling Pakistan and Afghan border, the rest of Afghanistan might be dominated by Tajiks in some areas and Hazaras in others. It's hardly made up of just one homogenous group who share the same culture.
I know Afghanistan isnt ethnically homogenous. But Pakistani Pashtuns have more in common with one major ethnic group in Afghanistan rather than any of their counterparts in Pakistan. E.g Punjabi Sindhis and Balochis.

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a lot of Pashtuns over here are involved in the drug trade and criminal activity. Idk how they follow a great code of conduct here. They are really protective of their culture but most pathans i know are ultra religious and backwards in a lot of aspects.

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It's one thing to be proud of a code of conduct, it's another to follow it. Some will do it faithfully, I'm sure plenty won't. Take Misbah ul Haq for example, there's a guy who you can believe is a highly principled fellow.
 
I know Afghanistan isnt ethnically homogenous. But Pakistani Pashtuns have more in common with one major ethnic group in Afghanistan rather than any of their counterparts in Pakistan. E.g Punjabi Sindhis and Balochis.

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But then you could say Afghan Pashtuns have more in common with one ethnic group in Pakistan than any of their counterparts in Afghanistan. It works both ways.
 
From what I understand, Pashtuns seem to want to be together. Pakistani Pashtuns definitely feel stronger about their ethnic identity than they do about their national identity.

India has been trying to get the theory of "Greater Pashtunistan" to work in Afghanistan
 
How did KPK end up becoming a part of Pakistan and not Afghanistan when culturally linguistically they have much more in common with Afgan Pashtuns tham.Punjabis or Sindhis.

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This is not true at all. At the time of partition, KPK had a lot of non-pashtuns, especially Sikhs and Hindus. Add in Hazaras and Hindkos, you would get around 50% pashtuns only. Not only that but KPK pashtuns themselves have also traditionally had much greater tie with the rest of the Indus valley than their counterparts from across the pass. All the territories east of Khyber Pass come under the Indus Valley and form a geopolitical macro-entitiy that simply doesn't exist for KPK and Afghanistan. Peshawar was a part of the Sikh empire when the British conquered it and the claims of Afghanistan have nothing to do with KPK. The conflict over Durrand Line is about FATA which could be argued to belong to either country.

However, if you consider KPK's pashtun population which is superior to the whole of Afghanistan, you can't say that, ethnically speaking, FATA is closer to Afghanistan than Pakistan and same is true for the afghan territories south of kabul towards Kandahar. History is not as simple as languages and current demographics.
 
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I am Pakhtun from KPK and I definitely feel much stronger about my ethnicity then Identity. I am ethnic Afghan and proud of it.

Question for you then.

1) Are you at all a descendant of an afghan refugee that came to pakistan during the soviet invasion of afg?

Or are you a Pashtun whose ancestors back 5-6 generations ago were residing in KPK?

2) Next question by "ethnic Afghan" do you just mean Pashtun? or do you believe you are from Afghanistan?

3) Next, as an "ethnic pashtun" from Pakistan, do you support joining Afghanistan and splitting off from Pakistan?

4) Basically as a Pashtun from KPK who do you show loyalty to? Pakistan or Afghanistan?

5) Also are your views in the majority? or in the minority among pashtuns?

Sorry if any of these are personal, I am just trying to expand my knowledge on the matter.

And I understand that Pashtuns hold their ethnicity to a greater importance than their nationality, but I think most people are arguing whether Pashtuns from KPK see themselves as Pakistani Pashtuns or Afghanistani Pashtuns.
Yes I also understand some people will say that they are only pashtuns and pashtuns belong together. But that doesnt take away from the ground realities that there are two rival countries with major pashtun populations.
 
pakhtuns were not even native to kpk, or even the quetta region, they all migrated from afghanistan into indo aryan land
 
pakhtuns were not even native to kpk, or even the quetta region, they all migrated from afghanistan into indo aryan land

Pathuns are a mixture of several races..
 
i am a pakhtun and i can't imagine being anything other than a Pakistani. The nationalist mentality that once existed in Pakistani pakhtuns has vanished. The new and young generation in KPK is very much Pakistani. It is also safe to say that there has been a slight culture shift between pakhtuns of the two countries.

In general a pakhtun always gets excited to meet another pakhtun outside of their homeland. It is very possible that outside of Pakistan the pakhtuns will be more connected with Afghani pakhuns vs. Pakistani punjabis or sindis etc.
 
Its interesting , got to do some reading on Durand Line now.
 
my personal opinion is the border between pakistan and afghanistan should be porous in an ideal situation. Like france and spain or belgium. And it was until very recently. However now it will take many many years for this border to become a free movement frontier. I hope we get there one day. I believe we should have free movement from pakistan all the way to morrocco. A pipe dream at the moment but not impossible one day as it was in the past.
 

Very interesting responses. Thanks.

Honestly I think if your opinions were in the majority, Pakistan would have lost KPK a long time ago, as Pashtuns are not the type to stay with Pakistan for no reason,

if they wanted to join afghanistan there would be major uprisings that would make the Baloch insurgency look like childs play.

But there hasnt been, so it means there isnt a majority that wants to make that happen.

Secondly, I am not Pashtun but I was born and raised in Peshawar and I saw first hand that alot of Pakistani Pashtuns are getting more and more negative towards Afghan refugees in the area. Id like to know your comments on that too.
 
Why do so many Pashutuns join armed forces if they are so emotional about Afghanistan ? And we havent seen any seccesionist movements emerging from KPK which is surprising if what you say is truth.
Pushtun make up 13% of the armed forces and about 15% of the population, I am a pushtun but I prefer unity among Muslims rather than tribalism.
 
The Pashtun ethnicity should not be a border but a bridge between both countries, and I think that there should be large-scale initiatives on govt. level (like naturalizing the 1000s of Afghan refugees who are already integrated into the national landscape - an entrepreneurial group - but want to be full-fledged citizens of the country), but this "Pashtun is Afghan and Afghan is Pashtun" mantra used by some "nationalists" in fact won't pose a problem to others ethnicities of Pak, but to Afghans first : tell that to a Tajik, an Uzbek or, especially, an Hazara. That's what the Hazaras went through because of the Pashtun dominance :

There are approximately 2.8 million Hazaras in Afghanistan (CIA World Factbook 2007). They were once the largest Afghan ethnic group constituting nearly 67% of the total population of the state before the 19th century. More than half were massacred in 1893 when their autonomy was lost as a result of political action. Today they constitute approximately 9% of the Afghan population.
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Historically, the minority Shi'a have faced long-term persecution from the majority Sunni population. From the 1880s onwards, and especially during the reign of Amir Abdul Rahman (1880-1901), they suffered severe political, social and economic repression, as Jihad was declared by Sunnis on all Shi'as of Afghanistan. As the Pashtun Rahman started to extend his influence from Kabul by force to other parts of the country, the Hazaras were the first ethnic group to revolt against his expansionism. Pashtun tribes were sent to the central highlands to crush the revolt. Thousands of Hazara men were killed, their women and children taken as slaves, and their land occupied.
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Abdul Rahman's suppression of Hazara ranged from issuing unwarranted taxes and to assaults on Hazara women, massacres, looting and pillaging of homes, enslavement of Hazara children, women and men and replacement of Shi'a mullas with their Sunni religious counterparts. Hazarajat was occupied by Rahman in 1893 and it is estimated that 60% of the Hazara Population was wiped out by him,

The persecution of Hazaras continued throughout the 19th century and during the Monarchy (1929 onwards) when during the process of "Pashunization" Hazaras were made to conceal their identities to obtain state identification. It is suggested that until the 1970s some Sunni religious teachers preached that killing of Hazaras was a key to paradise.

http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?docid=49749d693d

You have to keep in mind that Pashtuns are 45% of Afghanistan, while others put together make the rest : there's a demographic balance which keeps Pashtuns politically and economically in-check. Punjabis, Sindhis or Muhajirs don't have a historical problem with Pashtuns, the proof being that the largest Pashtun city nowadays isn't Kandahar or Peshawar, but Karachi (which hasn't traditionally been Pashtun at all, but nowadays hosts 1000s of Afghans) ; when it comes to Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks, though, they wouldn't want an additional 35 millions Pashtuns from Pak adding to the 15 millions already present in Afghanistan, who would then keep bullying others for their "Afghan = Pashtun = Afghan" ideology.

Pushtun make up 13% of the armed forces and about 15% of the population, I am a pushtun but I prefer unity among Muslims rather than tribalism.

Indeed, Pashtuns are evenly represented in the armed forces (same as their national pop.), while Punjabis are slightly over-represented (nowadays around 55%, once it was +80% !) but Muhajirs are the most over-represented (17% come from Sindh, while the majority of these Sindhis are in fact Muhajirs from Karachi.)
 
The Pashtun ethnicity should not be a border but a bridge between both countries, and I think that there should be large-scale initiatives on govt. level (like naturalizing the 1000s of Afghan refugees who are already integrated into the national landscape - an entrepreneurial group - but want to be full-fledged citizens of the country), but this "Pashtun is Afghan and Afghan is Pashtun" mantra used by some "nationalists" in fact won't pose a problem to others ethnicities of Pak, but to Afghans first : tell that to a Tajik, an Uzbek or, especially, an Hazara. That's what the Hazaras went through because of the Pashtun dominance :



http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?docid=49749d693d

You have to keep in mind that Pashtuns are 45% of Afghanistan, while others put together make the rest : there's a demographic balance which keeps Pashtuns politically and economically in-check. Punjabis, Sindhis or Muhajirs don't have a historical problem with Pashtuns, the proof being that the largest Pashtun city nowadays isn't Kandahar or Peshawar, but Karachi (which hasn't traditionally been Pashtun at all, but nowadays hosts 1000s of Afghans) ; when it comes to Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks, though, they wouldn't want an additional 35 millions Pashtuns from Pak adding to the 15 millions already present in Afghanistan, who would then keep bullying others for their "Afghan = Pashtun = Afghan" ideology.



Indeed, Pashtuns are evenly represented in the armed forces (same as their national pop.), while Punjabis are slightly over-represented (nowadays around 55%, once it was +80% !) but Muhajirs are the most over-represented (17% come from Sindh, while the majority of these Sindhis are in fact Muhajirs from Karachi.)

Means there are very less Sindhis in the Army ? What about Baloch ? Any approximate break up of current Army ?
 
The Pashtun ethnicity should not be a border but a bridge between both countries, and I think that there should be large-scale initiatives on govt. level (like naturalizing the 1000s of Afghan refugees who are already integrated into the national landscape - an entrepreneurial group - but want to be full-fledged citizens of the country), but this "Pashtun is Afghan and Afghan is Pashtun" mantra used by some "nationalists" in fact won't pose a problem to others ethnicities of Pak, but to Afghans first : tell that to a Tajik, an Uzbek or, especially, an Hazara. That's what the Hazaras went through because of the Pashtun dominance :



http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?docid=49749d693d

You have to keep in mind that Pashtuns are 45% of Afghanistan, while others put together make the rest : there's a demographic balance which keeps Pashtuns politically and economically in-check. Punjabis, Sindhis or Muhajirs don't have a historical problem with Pashtuns, the proof being that the largest Pashtun city nowadays isn't Kandahar or Peshawar, but Karachi (which hasn't traditionally been Pashtun at all, but nowadays hosts 1000s of Afghans) ; when it comes to Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks, though, they wouldn't want an additional 35 millions Pashtuns from Pak adding to the 15 millions already present in Afghanistan, who would then keep bullying others for their "Afghan = Pashtun = Afghan" ideology.



Indeed, Pashtuns are evenly represented in the armed forces (same as their national pop.), while Punjabis are slightly over-represented (nowadays around 55%, once it was +80% !) but Muhajirs are the most over-represented (17% come from Sindh, while the majority of these Sindhis are in fact Muhajirs from Karachi.)

That's how it has always been to be fair, Pakistan writ was never forced on the FATA regions and they were basically allowed to rule by their own laws for a long time, and it's still probably the case today. Despite al the talk of fencing off the border, I think it's a bad idea and would lead to ill feeling. We aren't India that we put up fences dividing Bengal or Kashmir. It does need to be policed well though to prevent the state sponsored terrorism which has been a problem since the war in Afghanistan.
 
Means there are very less Sindhis in the Army ? What about Baloch ? Any approximate break up of current Army ?

Yes, ethnic (not Muhajirs from Karachi) Sindhis are under-represented when compared to their national share as population (Mehtab Ali Shah, basing himself on Stephen Cohen, gives the figure of 2.2% !). Even the so called "Sindh regiment" was Punjabi-Muhajir dominated until very recently. As for Baloch :

The representation of Balochis, which was nil in 2001, constitutes 3.2 per cent at present. Their composition would be increased to 4 per cent by 2011.

http://www.dawn.com/news/266159/punjab
 
Yes, ethnic (not Muhajirs from Karachi) Sindhis are under-represented when compared to their national share as population (Mehtab Ali Shah, basing himself on Stephen Cohen, gives the figure of 2.2% !). Even the so called "Sindh regiment" was Punjabi-Muhajir dominated until very recently. As for Baloch :




http://www.dawn.com/news/266159/punjab


Shocking that there was no Baloch representation in the Army till 2011 . Looks like the Baloch preferred to remain away from joining the Army and not much wasnt done to attract them either.
 
60% of Pakistanis are Punjabi whereas 3% of Indians are. Apart from that we share very little ethnic makeup

Dunno why zico10 is so desperate here and wants Indians to be associated with Pakistanis. Be proud of your own roots bro. God made everyone equal. I know with Dalit system and all its hard to fathom but it is what it is. Please get out of your inferiority complex here and get rid off insecurities.

All I see you talk about is race and ethnicities. It's getting tiring and while you may obsess over it but this is 21st century. Not good for health to obsess over it all the time. Again please get rid of your insecurities
 
I am sure Chakwal and Jehlum produced more Soldiers for Pak Army than any other district. Chakwal is like home of Pak Army and they produce Army Generals in bulk lol
 
Yes, ethnic (not Muhajirs from Karachi) Sindhis are under-represented when compared to their national share as population (Mehtab Ali Shah, basing himself on Stephen Cohen, gives the figure of 2.2% !). Even the so called "Sindh regiment" was Punjabi-Muhajir dominated until very recently. As for Baloch :



http://www.dawn.com/news/266159/punjab

I remember under Kayani 10,000 Balochs were recruited in Pak Army back in 2012 and some conditions like matric and height were removed for Balochs so that more Balochs can get it.
 
60% of Pakistanis are Punjabi whereas 3% of Indians are. Apart from that we share very little ethnic makeup

Dunno why zico10 is so desperate here and wants Indians to be associated with Pakistanis. Be proud of your own roots bro. God made everyone equal. I know with Dalit system and all its hard to fathom but it is what it is. Please get out of your inferiority complex here and get rid off insecurities.

All I see you talk about is race and ethnicities. It's getting tiring and while you may obsess over it but this is 21st century. Not good for health to obsess over it all the time. Again please get rid of your insecurities

Actually 45-50% are but I agree with your point.
 
Kabul will never recognise the Duran Line, said a former president, days after Pakistan closed the border with Afghanistan.

Hamid Karzai, who served as Afghan president after the Taliban ouster in 2001, said Pakistan has "no legal authority to dictate terms on the Durand Line".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Govt of Pakistan has no legal authority to dictate terms on the Durand line.while we wish freedom for the people of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FATA?src=hash">#FATA</a> from FCR..1/2</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/838240975537520641">March 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/2 and other repressive measures, we remind the Govt of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash">#Pakistan</a> that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash">#Afghanistan</a> hasn't and will not recognize the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Durand?src=hash">#Durand</a> line.</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/838241472193396736">March 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Karzai's statement came after an Afghan ambassador said border closure had affected "25,000 poor Afghans" and that due to prolonged closure authorities will have to "airlift the stranded visitors".

"If in the next couple of days an opening was not allowed for the return of the stranded visitors I would ask my government to provide chartered flights to lift them. This, however, would reflect a very poor picture," Ambassador Dr Omar Zakhilwal said in a Facebook post.

Pakistan shut down border crossing into Afghanistan, halting trade supplies to the neighbouring landlocked country and increasing tensions between the two nations in the wake of bloody suicide bombings.

The move was seen as an effort to pressure Kabul to take action against militants who Pakistan says have sanctuaries in Afghanistan. Pakistan security forces have launched nationwide operations that they say have killed hundreds of 'terrorists'.

http://nation.com.pk/national/05-Mar-2017/ex-afghan-president-says-kabul-won-t-recognise-durand-line
 
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Traitors. Nothing belongs to them and they will get nothing. Pakistan will always be proud of each and ever inch and will always have each and every inch of its majestic, sovereign land.

East Pakistan was just an unnatural relationship.
 
May be there actually is some reason why the pronunciations of Formar and Farmer resonates similarly.
 
It's not something new, the Afghans have made this claim since Pakistan was created. The only issue is probably most of those areas wouldn't want to be part of Afghanistan as it is mostly underdeveloped, not to mention a perpetual war zone.
 
Really, this is hard to believe because he was always pro Pakistan. Even former Afghan governments accepted the Durand line. What is the reason behind this sudden change in policy?
 
Mr Karzai, the Durand Line was accepted by Afghanistan in the 1800s. Should Pakistan send a British historian to Afghanistan or your house in Pakistan, to give you a lesson on Durand line?

What's going to happen next? Burma not accepting their borders in eastern India?
 
Really, this is hard to believe because he was always pro Pakistan. Even former Afghan governments accepted the Durand line. What is the reason behind this sudden change in policy?
Politicians the world over tend to bring historical 'injustices' or past 'glories' to appeal to right-wing nutcases as a means of showing they're a patriot and thus gain popularity. Trump, Brexit, Le Pen, Modi, The Balkans, Crimea ... the list is endless.

Perhaps Hamid Karzai is hoping to make a comeback as Afghan President again.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghan politicians of national stature know that the Durand line is an internationally recognized border. Fanning nationalist or irredentist claims detracts from negotiating peace and economically beneficial ties between 2 countries. <a href="https://t.co/sJM5Ng6QNh">https://t.co/sJM5Ng6QNh</a></p>— Alice G Wells (@AliceGWells) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliceGWells/status/1303122409059475457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghan politicians of national stature know that the Durand line is an internationally recognized border. Fanning nationalist or irredentist claims detracts from negotiating peace and economically beneficial ties between 2 countries. <a href="https://t.co/sJM5Ng6QNh">https://t.co/sJM5Ng6QNh</a></p>— Alice G Wells (@AliceGWells) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliceGWells/status/1303122409059475457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If we agree with her logic than the "status quo" of Kashmir also has to be accepted because international cammunity by and large are ok with the way Kashmir is set up
 
If we agree with her logic than the "status quo" of Kashmir also has to be accepted because international cammunity by and large are ok with the way Kashmir is set up

Pakistan should agree to hold a referendum in KPK, with the residents getting to choose between Pakistan and Afghanistan. No way Pakistan can lose.
 
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