Former Under-19 player Tariq Mahmood - Where is he now?

[waqar-uk]

The former under u-19 world cup winning captain Tariq Mahmood has been called up to Pak training camp. Inthakhab Alam is said to be so impressed that he said he could make his test debut against Sri Lanka.

He said he cannot believe such a talented bowler has been hidden from pak management (obviously didn't watch the world cup!), he saw him in nets in Mureedke (Lahore) and says his bowling is just like Murli!.

Here is the original urdu article:

http://jang.com.pk/jang/feb2009-daily/13-02-2009/sports.htm

 

[kingusama92]

wow baby... he must really be impressing the team if he's been called up randomly. Have we got the next Murali/Saqi here?

 

[Random Aussie]

That's just great, just great

 

[Lethal]

That's just great, just great

I've got a feeling the way your saying that 'just great' is not really great but more here we go another chucker aka Murali. Am I right?

 

[Random Aussie]

I've got a feeling the way your saying that 'just great' is not really great but more here we go another chucker aka Murali. Am I right?

That's quite insightful of you Yaar

I know every team gets to have their own chucker these days but as a cricket fan it saddens me.

 

[Lethal]

That's quite insightful of you Yaar

I know every team gets to have their own chucker these days but as a cricket fan it saddens me.

True but this was bound to happen. In the future we will see more bowlers that try to copy Murali. I ain't seen this guy bowl so I don't know how he bowls or if his action is similar to Murali's.

 

[Inswinger]

That's quite insightful of you Yaar

I know every team gets to have their own chucker these days but as a cricket fan it saddens me.

Have you seen him bowling with his modified action? Before jumping to conclusions at least watch him bowl.

 

[kingusama92]

they said he has corrected his action now and it's completely clean.

 

[Random Aussie]

Have you seen him bowling with his modified action? Before jumping to conclusions at least watch him bowl.

The words "Murali clone" to me mean a bowler with a similar action.

Unless he just has really freaky wide eyes

 

[kingusama92]

The words "Murali clone" to me mean a bowler with a similar action.

Unless he just has really freaky wide eyes

They used to call him that before... because his action was identical but he was chucking. Now they have corrected it and he can't really be related to Murali. More like Saqlain Mushtaq.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The words "Murali clone" to me mean a bowler with a similar action.

Unless he just has really freaky wide eyes

and what is wrong with being a Murali clone? Murali is NOT a chucker so its not an issue

its nice to see Tariq Mahmood getting some attention - lets hope he does well

 

[Mercenary]

That's quite insightful of you Yaar

I know every team gets to have their own chucker these days but as a cricket fan it saddens me.

Did you see the Aaqib Javed interview?

He said Tariq now has a legal action and also that Inti has seen him and wants him in the team.

PP had this news a few weeks back

 

[Lethal]

They used to call him that before... because his action was identical but he was chucking. Now they have corrected it and he can't really be related to Murali. More like Saqlain Mushtaq.

Good to hear. Man I want to see some footage of him bowling. I think it will be a shock if he is picked for the first test. Good prospect.

 

[Random Aussie]

and what is wrong with being a Murali clone? Murali is NOT a chucker so its not an issue

its nice to see Tariq Mahmood getting some attention - lets hope he does well

Might not be an issue to you but I can assure you it is an issue to a lot of cricket followers.

Saqi clone would be much nicer thanks....

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Might not be an issue to you but I can assure you it is an issue to a lot of cricket followers.

Saqi clone would be much nicer thanks....

Yeah well those who think he chucks are idiots and hence their opinion is useless

Anyways, as Merc mentioned - Aaqib says his action is clean now so all good

 

[xbox]

We have murali clone and they have the real product. Srilanka should be the last team he should think about bowling to. In their nets they play the real Murali...

 

[Mercenary]

Yeah well those who think he chucks are idiots and hence their opinion is useless

GA what you're forgetting is that Murali's action isnt clean. He is exempted because he has a bent elbow and therefore he cant help bowling in the way he does.

That's what makes Murali's action legal. But it's only legal in his specific case.

If a bowler without a bent elbow bowls with the exact same action then he is taking advantage and will be banned for chucking.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

We should beat them with our pace bowling, I am not interested in any murli clones. This kind of stuff is just sad to see.

 

[12thMan]

Yeah well those who think he chucks are idiots and hence their opinion is useless...

Rameez Raja - see his show that someone posted. I will try and find the thread. but he changes his opinions and did it even in that show

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=1680711
hopefully the video link still works

the thread was "Ramiz Lounge - Episode 1, 2 & 3 Must Watch [Merged]" by sehsan http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=62111
3rd link in it

 

[minhasuz]

I am a bit confused who is this. I looked up at cricinfo and found several profiles is it this Tariq Mahmood?
Here is the profile
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43484.html

 

[Inswinger]

I am a bit confused who is this. I looked up at cricinfo and found several profiles is it this Tariq Mahmood?
Here is the profile
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43484.html

Yes. He's the one.

 

[minhasuz]

^^Thanks mate. So he might be selected ahead of Danish and Ajmal or they might play Danish and Mahmood.

 

[usman_ash14]

Dreadful First Class average.

 

[Lightning]

I want Wasim/Waqar/Imran/Shoaib clones!

 

[Mercenary]

Dreadful First Class average.

He has been bowling with a new action, it takes time to get used to that. He's only started bowling well again this season, stats for this season are...

In FC he's taken 9 wkts @ 26.00 in 3 games.

In limited overs games he's taken 6 wkts @ 27.33 in 4 games.

Good figures for a spinner!

 

[usman_ash14]

He has been bowling with a new action, it takes time to get used to that. He's only started bowling well again this season, stats for this season are...

In FC he's taken 9 wkts @ 26.00 in 3 games.

In limited overs games he's taken 6 wkts @ 27.33 in 4 games.

Good figures for a spinner!

My concern is whether he know the art of taking wickets.
Talent alone can't get you too far, spinner needs a good head.

 

[Mercenary]

My concern is whether he know the art of taking wickets.
Talent alone can't get you too far, spinner needs a good head.

Aaqib thinks so as does Inti.

Plus when I saw him in the 2004 u19 WC he looked like the next big thing. Tariq will be fine.

 

[usman_ash14]

Aaqib thinks so as does Inti.

Plus when I saw him in the 2004 u19 WC he looked like the next big thing. Tariq will be fine.

In that case, best of luck to him.

 

[Lahoria]

From what I remember from the under 19 WC he was also a very handy batsman, if his action is clean and he is bowling well he should be given a chance during the BD odi series.

As for Murli's action it is illegal there is no way someone can have the same action without chucking. Murli gets away with it because of his medical condition and if anyone has problems with this judgement they should take it up with ICC rather than maligning Murli.

 

[Islamabadi]

remember the last time pakistan randomly called up a guy before a tournament (sohail tanvir) this guy maybe good... wish him well

 

[Da Best]

This is some really good news!!! Now I REALLY can't wait for the first test! ; - )

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

remember the last time pakistan randomly called up a guy before a tournament (sohail tanvir) this guy maybe good... wish him well

Well Tariq Mahmood is hardly random - we have known about him for over 4 years now (since U19 World Cup) and even lately Aaqib in his interview with PP mentioned his name

 

[Da Best]

Is he selected in the practise game?????

 

[Ghoshtbuster]

Saqi clone would be much nicer thanks....

Same.

But its much harder than you think (used to be one)

 

[Saj]

Highly rated in the early part of his career but then he had issues with his action and lost his way.

I noticed he's back playing first class cricket and now this recognition - lets hope he's back to his best.

 

[ataullah]

who's this mendis clone from hyderabad? article mentions him too.
Good luck to Tariq

 

[Amjid Javed]

Lets actually see if pakistan are willing to give the kid a go! No point just calling him up for fun of it!

 

[daily_dreamer]

who's this mendis clone from hyderabad? article mentions him too.
Good luck to Tariq

I think that is Aslam Sattar - has limited first class experience so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=68122&highlight=sattar

 

[Mythsmoke]

no mention of this on any other news source at the moment....the jang group can be a little dodgy in its reporting....all will be revealed shortly i guess

 

[Awesome Anjum]

I think he may have just been selected as a net bowler to prepare our batters to play Muralitharan.

 

[Isolation]

i do remember him....but he wasnt the world cup winning captain.............
media shud know that

anyway good luck to the kid

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

i do remember him....but he wasnt the world cup winning captain.............
media shud know that

anyway good luck to the kid

Yeah i think Khalid Latif was the captain

 

[Infinitee786]

As for Murli's action it is illegal there is no way someone can have the same action without chucking. Murli gets away with it because of his medical condition and if anyone has problems with this judgement they should take it up with ICC rather than maligning Murli.

...Is this the same Murli?!!? Murli is 100% legal. His arm is within the 15% extension rule. The fact that he has a condition just creates an ILLUSION that he throws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDxRhcpBZio

People can copy his action if they wanted and that doesnt mean they have to chuck too. However this guy is CLEAN and seems to be talented. Hope we see more of him in the near future...

 

[Imr4n_Khan]

Well, he is a threat to tailender cleaner Danish and perhaps Afridi in the odi's.
There is something about him that he was called up randomly.

 

[shaun3]

didnt aaqib say he had lost effectiveness since changing his action?

 

[EvergreenCricketer]

I changed my opinion about Murali after the demo on TV about the conditions of his elbow, shoulder and wrist. Now I believe he is not a chucker.

I am not sure if Tariq has similar physical conditions though.

 

[Da Best]

So are expecting Tariq in the Patrons side???

 

[Mercenary]

didnt aaqib say he had lost effectiveness since changing his action?

Read the latest interview with Aaqib.

 

[shaun3]

Merc, sorry for not performing due diligence as I was on my cell phone in a cab. I was just speaking from memory.

I looked up the interview now, and turns out Aaqib did say something of the sort:

PakPassion.Net: Ok moving onto spinners, what happened to Tariq Mahmood the Pakistani Murali who was in your 2004 u19 WC winning team?

Aaqib Javed: Tariq was a really special talent and had an outstanding u19 World Cup but then he was called on his action and had to go to Australia. I worked really hard with him because changing a player's action isn't a simple thing, the player needs a lot of support to get back to where he was. Unfortunately the change in his action meant that he lost his effectiveness but he's been working really hard over the last two years...

I hope he was able to regain some effectiveness, and hopefully he can seize the moment while the spotlight is on him.

 

[Big Daddy]

this is what i feel is good with old school local coaches. baptism by fire approach. if the guy looks legit, you allow him to breath fire. if he scorches it, u settle it on the big stage.

 

[Da Best]

If Inti was how can such a talent be hidden than he has to be some what effective doesn't he?? Oh yeah has anybody seen his new action??

 

[Da Best]

this is what i feel is good with old school local coaches. baptism by fire approach. if the guy looks legit, you allow him to breath fire. if he scorches it, u settle it on the big stage.

That's what maybe Inti's up to ( Talha example )

 

[Mercenary]

I hope he was able to regain some effectiveness, and hopefully he can seize the moment while the spotlight is on him.

You should've carried on reading. That was the very next question...

PakPassion.Net: ...has he got his effectiveness back?

Aaqib Javed: Yes he has. He's just played 2 seasons in grade II cricket where he's been taking lots of wickets and so we called him up to a recent specialised camp. Inthikab Alam saw him and was very impressed. Tariq is now playing FC cricket again, he's with Sialkot and he's got his variety back so I think he's as effective as he was in 2004.

...and Aaqib said yes he has got his effectiveness back!

 

[Lahoria]

Lets not get over excited both spinners might be called to the camp to give practice to the batsmen since their actions are similar to Murli and Mendis.

 

[Da Best]

Exiciting prospect nevertheless!

 

[Da Best]

Lets not get over excited both spinners might be called to the camp to give practice to the batsmen since their actions are similar to Murli and Mendis.

Doubt that.

 

[Lahoria]

If they really wanted these guys in the team they would have been picked for the side game or atleast named in the squad.

 

[Da Best]

If they really wanted these guys in the team they would have been picked for the side game or atleast named in the squad.

Look i know where getting this idea from but they didn't make such a big deal about Ahmed Shezad in the Patrons team. All im saying Tariq is getting this attention for a reason. Why don't they do it with the rest of the Patrons players.

 

[shaun3]

this is what i feel is good with old school local coaches. baptism by fire approach. if the guy looks legit, you allow him to breath fire. if he scorches it, u settle it on the big stage.

I like this approach too. Many legend's had the benefit of an early debut (the W's, sachin). However, some lesser players may find themselves a little scarred (eg Hasan Raza)

I'd say throw them in and see how it goes. I hate the "let him develop another season or two in domestic" approach. It adds pressure because now a player must perform consistently for another year or two, and then get a call up, and then perform under greater pressure on debut, facing greater quality opposition than he is now used to, rather than having the luxury of nothing to lose in an early debut.

He has nothing to lose because if he doesn't perform the captain and selectors shoulder most of the blame for taking the risk. Plus, the player can then go back to domestic for a season or two and perform to earn another shot.

 

[shaun3]

You should've carried on reading. That was the very next question...



...and Aaqib said yes he has got his effectiveness back!

ahhhh I see, thanks for the correction. OK i'm officially excited now!

 

[Lahoria]

Lets see what happens, I'm not saying they are not taking a closer look at Tariq but I'm sure they won't play him in the test series and to be honest they shouldn't. If he is good he should come in against BD when the pressure will be a lot lower.

 

[Da Best]

ahhhh I see, thanks for the correction. OK i'm officially excited now!

Same here!!!

 

[Da Best]

Lets see what happens, I'm not saying they are not taking a closer look at Tariq but I'm sure they won't play him in the test series and to be honest they shouldn't. If he is good he should come in against BD when the pressure will be a lot lower.

I say if he REALLY preforms for the Patrons than there might be something to say!

 

[Lahoria]

Lets hope so cuz Kanera is certainly not the answer.

 

[minhasuz]

Yeah i think Khalid Latif was the captain

He was the captain...you are right

 

[feelings2002]

but who is that another spinner who bowls like mendis from hyderabad which they mention in the jang article

 

[lollol]

I dont think he will get a chance before Dani anyways... that would be a huge risk to take, and very unpakistani

 

[Da Best]

but who is that another spinner who bowls like mendis from hyderabad which they mention in the jang article

Aslam Sattar, really inexpericed but sounds promising.

 

[ataullah]

why has Tariq Murali not played for sialkot for last 2 games? He and aslam sattar were called up to give batsmen practice before 1st test and aslam has played last 2 matches for hyderabad but tariq has not played since for sialkot. Can pp find out about this by asking aquib or someone like that? Maybe tariq's been impressive and they want to keep him bowling to the squad. Maybe playing murali and mendis was easier for pak batsmen after practicing against tariq and aslam.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Maybe he's being called for Bowling Practice....

 

[Riff]

ive been on his profile on cricinfo and they say the last he played first class cricket was back in 2004

 

[Zaz]

He had no choice but to change it i mean he wouldve been called for throwing on the intnl level as he has a dodgy action and he is pakistani

 

[Sultan Yusuf]

If he doesn't chuck it and is taking wickets, he should be in the team straight away...

 

[Saj]

Great to see "Murali" being given a chance by KRL.

He wasnt getting a look in at Sialkot and with KRL losing Saeed Ajmal to ZTBL, Tariq should get plenty of opportunities at KRL.

 

[Adeel H]

Whatever happened to this guy? Hasnt played first class cricket for a few years

 

[Mamoon]

Look at his FC and LA averages, what a joke of a spinner.


Intikhab completely lost the script there

 

[Adeel H]

Look at his FC and LA averages, what a joke of a spinner.


Intikhab completely lost the script there

Anyone who saw him at the U-19 WC 2004 thought this guy would be the next big thing. He had all the variations. Dont know what happened.

 

[Mamoon]

Too many variations can spoil a spinner.

Mendis for example.

 

[Haroon786]

^ Mendis was just a mystery that got brutally unravelled

 

[Mamoon]

He wasn't just a mystery. he had a lot of variations and failed to truly master either of them.

Narine could be another Mendis but he looks to have a great cricketing brain.