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That Oberyn death scene was brutal. He should have never taken his guard down, was the fight that one sided in the books?
 
^ Yes but the death is slightly less brutal.

He basically gets his head squashed with a punch. Its the savage I poke that made the on-screen one worse.

Overall, it felt rushed to me. They could have easily added a few more minutes. A lot of filler scenes in the last episode. Considering the hype, I was expecting at least 20 minutes of the trial. The interaction b/w Viper and Tyrion was cut short and the Mountain had basically no lines.

Pedro Pascal has nailed the Oberyn character over the course of the season, but I found his delivery of those lines a bit weak. Not enough anger and passion. The nod at Tywin was brilliant though, but that was the only bit.
 
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Convict said:
The problem is that both last season and this season take part in the same book.

Next two episodes will be great though.
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they've actually tried to be too clever by mixing in a feast of crows too. Many people didn't like that book but I liked it because it gave a lot of info about many characters that will become important. This season has simply consisted of the first half being fillers and setups for the final two episodes. Nothing about the outlaws, a brief bit about brien, no mention of the blackfish, no tension between Jamie and sersei other then that weird scene they had together. Deneres has been annoying , no depth to the mereen storyline, additional uneccessary nudity that is not needed. The altering of Sansa starks storyline and turning her into some kind of weird vixen. Aryas slow plod through to the vale.

The Hound and her should have encountered dead bodies and rumours of the work of the outlaws by now. I really don't know how they will squeeze everything into the next two eps. The battle of at the wall should have a whole eps just for itself.
 
Brilliant fight scene yesterday.

I certainly wasn't expecting the fight to end that way.
 
The show is too confusing. There are so many stories and characters to keep track of...

I have not read the books only seen the show.

The writer of the book is a true basstard. He kills every caracter that you might have sympathy for and root for.

And btw. The Kalisi story is so boring. I actually hate her. I hope she loses and die.

Oberyn Martell aka The Red Viper was amazing and I liked him because he wanted to revenge his sister. Otherwise he was a bisexual randibaaz too.
 
George RR Martin is such a troll. Nobody ever gets their revenge in this show!
 
I don't mind the nudity ;-), but it looks like there's a lot of attention going to not-so-great players of the original books. It will be great if there's more action, covering great battles like Robert's rebellion and other interesting stuff. The Khaleesi is the character I hate the most now, so irritating, such a pointless story!
 
I still hope they unleash Wolverine into this universe. It would become the most badass series ever. The chocks it would create for the bad guys etc. would be amazing to watch. It won't make sense as how Wolverine ended in that universe, but still. And then he time traveled in latest xmen movie, so I hope the writer, who has not finished the books yet include Wolverine.

An entry could be to turn one of the wolves to Hugh Jackman and then help Bran and his gang.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
The show is too confusing. There are so many stories and characters to keep track of...

I have not read the books only seen the show.

The writer of the book is a true basstard. He kills every caracter that you might have sympathy for and root for.

And btw. The Kalisi story is so boring. I actually hate her. I hope she loses and die.

Oberyn Martell aka The Red Viper was amazing and I liked him because he wanted to revenge his sister. Otherwise he was a bisexual randibaaz too.
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Cracked me up :)) I share all your views. They should kill Khaleesi next
 
Sandeep99 said:
Mountain is dead, isn't he? Yes, Oberyn died, but he had his revenge, no?
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He didn't live to see out his revenge though. And since he died first, Tyrion's only option is to make a run for it before he too is put to death.
 
Khaleesi will not get the throne. She is far too dumb for it.
 
The way this show is going, its likely the iron throne will go to nobody eventually and will be destroyed by the dragons
 
I don't know why people are so pessimistic, I saw the fight, Oberyn might still be ok
 
Indiafan said:
I don't know why people are so pessimistic, I saw the fight, Oberyn might still be ok
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err..ok..lol..he's dead mate..and is not coming back. unless they can get his body over the wall and he can come back as a white walker lol.
 
Not as good as Season 3, but been perfectly enjoyable.
 
A sluggish episode.

How will they fit in Stannis' arrival, Tywin and Shae's death/Tyrion's escape, Danny's dragons and LS in the same episode without messing something up?
 
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From what I could tell he went to try and kill the leader of the wildlings as he reckons he's the only reason they are united for once.
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Don't think he went to kill him, he would have taken his sword if he did.
 
Jo_Don said:
Don't think he went to kill him, he would have taken his sword if he did.
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I think he went for negotiations but his ultimate reason is to kill the wildlings leader.

Finale is going be epic.
 
I just wanted to stop by and say something...

You're welcome for this epic show!

This series doesn't belong to book readers or the freeloaders.

HBO is a premium channel and doesn't show any commercials. Shows like Game of Thrones are possible only because of HBO subscribers like me.

Who else here pays HBO every month for Game of Thrones and other great shows?
 
Such a filler episode, story did not move forward at all, the wall still stands and it has been defended for only ONE night so you can expect to see such useless wars in season 5. Sorry but this whole season has been a huge disappointment.

Can't believe there are debates about Breaking Bad vs GoT. Breaking Bad was in a different league altogether.
 
Logical said:
Such a filler episode, story did not move forward at all, the wall still stands and it has been defended for only ONE night so you can expect to see such useless wars in season 5. Sorry but this whole season has been a huge disappointment.

Can't believe there are debates about Breaking Bad vs GoT. Breaking Bad was in a different league altogether.
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Off course :yk2
 
Game of Thrones is far better than Breaking Bad in my opinion although this season has been the weakest so far.
 
Mamoon said:
Game of Thrones is far better than Breaking Bad in my opinion although this season has been the weakest so far.
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Nah that was season 2

Apart from the Tyrion storyline and Tywin/Arya it was pretty meh


Still this is all relative, the weakest episode is still better than any other show, just my personal opinion being bit of a history/fantasy nerd
 
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They could have squeezed in Oberyn vs Mountain in episode 7 if they wanted. This could have given them some breathing space before the finale.
 
Logical said:
Such a filler episode, story did not move forward at all, the wall still stands and it has been defended for only ONE night so you can expect to see such useless wars in season 5. Sorry but this whole season has been a huge disappointment.

Can't believe there are debates about Breaking Bad vs GoT. Breaking Bad was in a different league altogether.
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How is an episode actually showing a battle for once a filler episode? Lol.
 
Mamoon said:
Game of Thrones is far better than Breaking Bad in my opinion although this season has been the weakest so far.
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Surprising, I have quite enjoyed this season. Things like

The character of Oberyn

Tyrion's descent

Jamie and Tyrion's brotherly bonding

Sansa's growth. Little Finger's schemes

Lots of good things
 
I had heard the whole episode would be about the wall and was happy. A big fight, a little 'romance' was thrown in there too but whatever but i waited and waited for a certain event to happen but it wasn't to be.

Waiting for stannis. They really are butchering him.

Also where the hell is cold hands? I was looking forward to seeing him.
 
Saqs said:
How is an episode actually showing a battle for once a filler episode? Lol.
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"lol"

Just cause it's a battle doesn't mean it cant be a filler episode. The war was just a drag on because there was no end result. Does the Wall still stand? Yes. Are Mance's men dead? Nope. They were just testing wall's "defence" and are going to attack some other night (meaning more filler episodes like this will continue). Even the war itself lacked intensity and passion that was evident in the kings landing battle. Besides 100,000 men cant kill 100 ... that's height of nonsense.

This pathetic season needed to a huge kick on and boy it failed.
 
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Logical said:
"lol"

Just case it's a battle doesn't mean it cant be a filler episode. The war was just a drag on because there was no end result. Does the Wall still stand? Yes. Are Mance's men dead? Nope. They were just testing wall's "defence" and are going to attack some other night (meaning more filler episodes like this will continue). Even the war itself lacked intensity and passion that was evident in the kings landing battle. Besides 100,000 men cant kill 100 ... that's height of nonsense.

This pathetic season needed to a huge kick on and boy it failed.
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i suggest you hold your comments till the last episode
 
Logical said:
"lol"

Just case it's a battle doesn't mean it cant be a filler episode. The war was just a drag on because there was no end result. Does the Wall still stand? Yes. Are Mance's men dead? Nope. They were just testing wall's "defence" and are going to attack some other night (meaning more filler episodes like this will continue). Even the war itself lacked intensity and passion that was evident in the kings landing battle. Besides 100,000 men cant kill 100 ... that's height of nonsense.

This pathetic season needed to a huge kick on and boy it failed.
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Why so serious over a show? :sanga
 
Logical said:
"lol"

Just cause it's a battle doesn't mean it cant be a filler episode. The war was just a drag on because there was no end result. Does the Wall still stand? Yes. Are Mance's men dead? Nope. They were just testing wall's "defence" and are going to attack some other night (meaning more filler episodes like this will continue). Even the war itself lacked intensity and passion that was evident in the kings landing battle. Besides 100,000 men cant kill 100 ... that's height of nonsense.

This pathetic season needed to a huge kick on and boy it failed.
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End result? Go watch a Spiderman movie. You don't deserve such quality television that even Hollywood can't match.

How much do you pay for your HBO subscription every month?
 
Indiafan said:
Surprising, I have quite enjoyed this season. Things like

The character of Oberyn

Tyrion's descent

Jamie and Tyrion's brotherly bonding

Sansa's growth. Little Finger's schemes

Lots of good things
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It could have been better. If I tell you how I would be throwing around spoilers. But all that's subjective. Other than that, the Oberyn and Mountain fight was not up to the mark both visually and verbally. The guy who played Oberyn was brilliant throughout but weak in his last episode.

The finale can be an absolute cracker which will make this season great.
 
Mamoon said:
It could have been better. If I tell you how I would be throwing around spoilers. But all that's subjective. Other than that, the Oberyn and Mountain fight was not up to the mark both visually and verbally. The guy who played Oberyn was brilliant throughout but weak in his last episode.

The finale can be an absolute cracker which will make this season great.
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Considering that he was hardly there in most of the fights, and it was his double who did most of the stunts. And I don't know why they decided Wushu was a good martial art to use in the fight. Don't worry about the spoilers, read all books
 
Indiafan said:
Considering that he was hardly there in most of the fights, and it was his double who did most of the stunts. And I don't know why they decided Wushu was a good martial art to use in the fight. Don't worry about the spoilers, read all books
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I can understand them using a different style but they cut out a lot of good lines before and during the fight and I felt that Oberyn's dialogue delivery was a bit lacking too, not to mention that it should have been longer.
 
They're already creating too much hype on the finale. I can just hope for them to live up to it!
 
In all season last episode never matches up to the one before.
 
This show just keeps covering the author's blunders. After they improved on Joffrey's death blunder (the contrived necklace plot made no sense in the books), they added the arrow shooting giants to cover up for the fact that no human can shoot an arrow at 700ft of altitude. I think that Game of Thrones will join the Godfather, the Silence of the Lambs/HannibalTv and the Shining in the list of great visual media adaptations of average books.
 
endymion248 said:
This show just keeps covering the author's blunders. After they improved on Joffrey's death blunder (the contrived necklace plot made no sense in the books), they added the arrow shooting giants to cover up for the fact that no human can shoot an arrow at 700ft of altitude. I think that Game of Thrones will join the Godfather, the Silence of the Lambs/HannibalTv and the Shining in the list of great visual media adaptations of average books.
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That Giant arrow scene was amazing and so was Jon Snows best rendition of Hammer Time.
 
better episode but I feel they are now trying to squeeze in too much. disappointed with this season, the characters other than snow haven't really moved on as they do in the books. They lack depth and the whole series seems a bit rushed and full of unnecessary bits that add nothing. The wall battle should be far further advanced by now. Preparing us for the surprised later. Same with Arya and Bran. Also the viper was a weird one dimensional character in the series. Firstly he should have been just a bit older and the setup for his request to fight should have been better. In the books he plans his manouvering better., why else would he be here?

anyway lets see if they can make up for the rubbish eps by finishing well.
 
endymion248 said:
This show just keeps covering the author's blunders. After they improved on Joffrey's death blunder (the contrived necklace plot made no sense in the books), they added the arrow shooting giants to cover up for the fact that no human can shoot an arrow at 700ft of altitude. I think that Game of Thrones will join the Godfather, the Silence of the Lambs/HannibalTv and the Shining in the list of great visual media adaptations of average books.
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you misunderstand, this is fantasy where a giant can ride a mammoth and humans come back from the dead. In this universe a human can fire an arrow from 1000ft let alone 700ft. if you want reality watch the news.
 
endymion248 said:
This show just keeps covering the author's blunders. After they improved on Joffrey's death blunder (the contrived necklace plot made no sense in the books), they added the arrow shooting giants to cover up for the fact that no human can shoot an arrow at 700ft of altitude. I think that Game of Thrones will join the Godfather, the Silence of the Lambs/HannibalTv and the Shining in the list of great visual media adaptations of average books.
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I wonder if you have even read the book thoroughly. It is very well written and the depth and intricacies of each character is something very rarely seen in books. The things you mentioned are hardly blunders, just things nerds like to point out in famous works

And the show doesn't come anywhere close to the book IMO, most of the things are in your face and not subtle like the books
 
I haven't read the books but if tyrion dies we should riot. I don't get it Viper also killed the montain even though he died first so why has tyrion been sentenced to death? Shouldn't there be a rematch or maybe he should be sent to the nights watch.
 
sherlock89 said:
I haven't read the books but if tyrion dies we should riot. I don't get it Viper also killed the montain even though he died first so why has tyrion been sentenced to death? Shouldn't there be a rematch or maybe he should be sent to the nights watch.
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Lol, of course the first to die is the loser
 
Saqs said:
That Giant arrow scene was amazing and so was Jon Snows best rendition of Hammer Time.
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Haha. It may be because the cannibal used him as a hammer first.

There is a scene where Ygritte dodges an arrow and then shoots one from an over the shoulder take. It is hard to believe that this is something we are watching on tv.

Also, this. My jaw literally dropped during this scene.


the Great Khan said:
you misunderstand, this is fantasy where a giant can ride a mammoth and humans come back from the dead. In this universe a human can fire an arrow from 1000ft let alone 700ft. if you want reality watch the news.
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A work of fantasy should have consistency towards its internal rules.

Indiafan said:
I wonder if you have even read the book thoroughly. It is very well written and the depth and intricacies of each character is something very rarely seen in books. The things you mentioned are hardly blunders, just things nerds like to point out in famous works

And the show doesn't come anywhere close to the book IMO, most of the things are in your face and not subtle like the books
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I'll be brief here. I don't think that the books are subtle in terms of characterization and that is the reason why the show is superior to the books. It has actors who, through one look, can say more than the author despite repeating dozens of time the same things, like ''Wherever do go''. The subtelty of the books and all the analysis done around them is linked to foreshadowing and elements not yet revealed in the books, ala lost, which holds almost no interest on my part. I don't believe the books are well written, be it in terms of vocabulary (it's basically ''learn new words as you go along and then repeat them ad nauseam, like ''nuncle'') or imagery (the inability to write female pov (seem to be written by a teenager by the constant mention of breasts and ''pink mast'') and non-pornographic sex scenes are particularly cringe-worthy). I also don't believe in the whole ''realism'' argument because the act of writing is deliberate. The constant useless fake deaths, inter-chapter cliff-hanger and female rape (notice how males never get raped, even at Castle Black), as well as some interviews I have seen after the show, makes me believe that the author is a soap operaish tv writer who doesn't know how to deliver emotions to his readers without the use gut punches which are the low-hanging fruit of writing. No story arc in these books and the reason for that is this soap opera processus of writing. I am not happy at the deaths of the Ts because, as soon as the time comes to deliver anything convincing in terms of writing, the author just kills off these characters, good, bad, grey or evil. This is especially noticable if you look at the rythm of the books. He will spend ten pages describing a meal or the coats of arms (which, again, are the kind of things I consider to be the low hanging fruit of world building) and then have the characters travel half of the world, months at a time to pass or emotionally important scenes to pass in 5 pages. This can be an interesting literary figure of style but, given the redudancy in the books and the author's own admitted ''hate of writing'', it is pretty clear that this is just laziness. You only have to look at what he has written in the past 13 years after killing off the initial characters to know that this is a writer who has no control over his story arcs and their conclusion. Game of Thrones is a great show despite the books, not because of the books. It is driven by the uncomprehensible fandom behind the books, but its true qualities are the great acting, production values, direction and, finally, decent tv writing by DandD. I read the books 3 years ago, yes, but I hope that the show catches up with the books next season so that I can stop living with the regret of having done that in a boring phase of my holidays away from civilization.
 
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Brilliant episode the last one. What an awesome battle it was.

Those giants were great......we need to see them on a regular basis :)
 
I enjoyed last episode very much.

I cherish Night's watch , kings landing and Arya stark scenes and abhor Khaleesi , Stannis Baratheon or pointless nudity.

This was all about Night's watch and Jon snow. What better i could have imagined! After bloodshed and amazing battle the episode was spiced up by that arrow that pierced her heart and upon that her words " You don't know Jon Snow "

War and love going together through out the episode made me really excited and some times nervous too.

Don't know why people are criticizing this particular episode.
 
Logical said:
"lol"

Just cause it's a battle doesn't mean it cant be a filler episode. The war was just a drag on because there was no end result. Does the Wall still stand? Yes. Are Mance's men dead? Nope. They were just testing wall's "defence" and are going to attack some other night (meaning more filler episodes like this will continue). Even the war itself lacked intensity and passion that was evident in the kings landing battle. Besides 100,000 men cant kill 100 ... that's height of nonsense.

This pathetic season needed to a huge kick on and boy it failed.
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A battle for the last wall standing between the 'civilised world' and utter destruction. I find it hard to comprehend how it could be a filler episode considering what's at stake. No matter the result of the battle.
 
waqar goraya said:
I enjoyed last episode very much.

I cherish Night's watch , kings landing and Arya stark scenes and abhor Khaleesi , Stannis Baratheon or pointless nudity.

This was all about Night's watch and Jon snow. What better i could have imagined! After bloodshed and amazing battle the episode was spiced up by that arrow that pierced her heart and upon that her words " You don't know Jon Snow "

War and love going together through out the episode made me really excited and some times nervous too.

Don't know why people are criticizing this particular episode.
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Have you read the books?

I think the main problem people have with the show is the
consistent Stannis
butchery.
 
waqar goraya said:
I enjoyed last episode very much.

I cherish Night's watch , kings landing and Arya stark scenes and abhor Khaleesi , Stannis Baratheon or pointless nudity.

This was all about Night's watch and Jon snow. What better i could have imagined! After bloodshed and amazing battle the episode was spiced up by that arrow that pierced her heart and upon that her words " You don't know Jon Snow "

War and love going together through out the episode made me really excited and some times nervous too.

Don't know why people are criticizing this particular episode.
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how do you rate this episode compared to blackwater and red wedding? Apart from john snow, there were no important characters in this episodes. No kings landing and arya scenes either. After the previous episode which ended at a cliffhanger, we were shown nothing about tyrion's fate and the outcome of his trial. Instead, we were shown fatty and his romance on the wall for half an hour. A pointless war and characters dying whose names no one remembers. Had a couple of good moments though such as 'you know nothing john snow'. But these are not enough for an episode which is supposed to be the most exciting one in the season.
 
Indiafan said:
I wonder if you have even read the book thoroughly. It is very well written and the depth and intricacies of each character is something very rarely seen in books. The things you mentioned are hardly blunders, just things nerds like to point out in famous works

And the show doesn't come anywhere close to the book IMO, most of the things are in your face and not subtle like the books
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Totally agree. The books have a depth and subtlety that the tv show cant compare with. The show is just a different entity in itself.
 
Convict said:
Have you read the books?

I think the main problem people have with the show is the
consistent Stannis
butchery.
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No, I have not.

Scenes involving them have been quite boring with almost no progress in this whole season so far. It is neither sinister like night's watch nor witty or treacherous like kings landing.
 
the final surviving list of characters I believe would be:
1. Danerys
2. Tyrion
3. Arya
4. Bran
5.Jon
6. Samwell Tarly .... i like that character kinda like Samwise from Lord of the rings.
 
venomousx said:
how do you rate this episode compared to blackwater and red wedding? Apart from john snow, there were no important characters in this episodes. No kings landing and arya scenes either. After the previous episode which ended at a cliffhanger, we were shown nothing about tyrion's fate and the outcome of his trial. Instead, we were shown fatty and his romance on the wall for half an hour. A pointless war and characters dying whose names no one remembers. Had a couple of good moments though such as 'you know nothing john snow'. But these are not enough for an episode which is supposed to be the most exciting one in the season.
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Certainly no where near as influencing as the Red Wedding. Yes, there is not much progress on the story either but the war scenes itself were breathtaking.
It was a completely different thing after a while.
 
waqar goraya said:
Certainly no where near as influencing as the Red Wedding. Yes, there is not much progress on the story either but the war scenes itself were breathtaking.
It was a completely different thing after a while.
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They are drifting away from the story line in the books it seems,
This episode is the starting point of the greatness for Jon Snow, for the rest of the series.
 
I like last night's eppo. I thought - step forward, Jon Snow, this is your hour!

Sad about Ygritte, but at least she got to say her catchphrase one final time!
 
waqar goraya said:
No, I have not.

Scenes involving them have been quite boring with almost no progress in this whole season so far. It is neither sinister like night's watch nor witty or treacherous like kings landing.
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That's what he meant by Stannis butchery
 
Indiafan said:
That's what he meant by Stannis butchery
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Book Stannis: "Half my army are non believers. I'll have no burnings. Pray harder"
Show Stannis: "I burned my brother in law because he was an infidel"

But at least they don't stuff up his fight scenes.
 
Aman said:
No Cold Hands?

Can someone here explain why?
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Because he is largely irrelevant for a show where time is a premium

Don't think he is Benjen Stark either, always thought he was the Nights King, but we know that's false now

Also in guessing jojen is a goner in the books, bit disappointed there because I always thought he would tell bran the truth of Jon's parentage
 
Indiafan said:
Surprising, I have quite enjoyed this season. Things like

The character of Oberyn

Tyrion's descent

Jamie and Tyrion's brotherly bonding

Sansa's growth. Little Finger's schemes

Lots of good things
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I think this season has been the best, with almost every episode being very enjoyable.

The worst episode for me so far was the one on the wall, and that was still pretty good.

I like that the show writers have made a few changes and improvements on the source material...for instance in the 10th episode.

I read the books until book 4. Book 4 was a terrible stinker and the show writers will need to keep coming up with more and more stuff to improve on the source material, now that the first 3 books are pretty much done with. After the horrendously boring (imo) book 4, I have not bothered to read book 5 and won't bother to read any other books either. I'll just watch the show.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Because he is largely irrelevant for a show where time is a premium

Don't think he is Benjen Stark either, always thought he was the Nights King, but we know that's false now

Also in guessing jojen is a goner in the books, bit disappointed there because I always thought he would tell bran the truth of Jon's parentage
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The theory about Jojen was that he was dead and that Bran was getting fed Jojen mixed up with paste.
 
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