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Convict said:
Book Stannis: "Half my army are non believers. I'll have no burnings. Pray harder"
Show Stannis: "I burned my brother in law because he was an infidel"

But at least they don't stuff up his fight scenes.
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The thing about Stannis is that you only see him through Davos' point of view, who is basically a groupie. Otherwise, as a character, book Stannis doesn't make much sense in his characterization. I like that, in the show, they are giving Stannis more nuances through the use of his daughter without all the bloating in the books.

Also, I am assuming that the show is overtaking the books next season, given how far along most of the storylines are. How do PPers feel about this?
 
waqar goraya said:
Certainly no where near as influencing as the Red Wedding. Yes, there is not much progress on the story either but the war scenes itself were breathtaking.
It was a completely different thing after a while.
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compare it to yesterday's one. Now THAT was a completely different thing after a while :O
 
endymion248 said:
Also, I am assuming that the show is overtaking the books next season, given how far along most of the storylines are. How do PPers feel about this?
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its unavoidable, i just worry how much of the end of the story will be ghost written by the GoT writers, similarly i dont really want them to be that different.

While Breinne v Hound was fun to watch i was a bit miffed at it

I reckon events at the wall will be most different in season 5

I really like Jon's chapters in dance with dragons but i dont think it makes for great tv material once he is elected as LC. Like they did with the krasters keep storyline, i reckon they will 'spice' stuff up. Mance's baby will probably be axed. Also i have a feeling the Battle of Winterfell (Stannis v Boltons, last we see of boltons and theon this season is marching towards winterfell) will be in season 5. I think GRRM mentioned it was originally meant to be in dance with dragons.

Also i wonder if Lady Stone Heart will be completely omitted because i have heard rumours that Jaime's river-lands storyline may be axed. Plus they omitted Tyrion telling him about Lancel and cersi.

I also wonder how the will introduce the Martell, Greyjoy brothers and Young Griff into the show, it all seems to much.
 
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Loved the final couple of episodes, after what was looking like a noticeable decline in quality from season 3.

Maisie Williams is beginning to own this show. Fantastic acting in the Hound wounded scene.

And of course one final glorious exchange between Dance and Dinklage.
 
i'm disappointed, i thought the hound will eventually kill the mountain. one has probably died after getting a beating by a woman and the other is going to return as some sort of monster pumped of steroids
 
Down2Earth said:
i'm disappointed, i thought the hound will eventually kill the mountain. one has probably died after getting a beating by a woman and the other is going to return as some sort of monster pumped of steroids
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Mountan is dead, story no longer a game of thrones but of " fire and Ice"
White walkers will dominate season 5, while Danerys losing her touch, I think Stannis will take over for sometime, with Jon snow protecting the wall.
Arya's story keep going tangent, plz send her to siblings.
 
Last couple of episodes were pure entertainment with not a single dull moment.

By the way a question for those who read the book. Has it been finished or not ?
 
^ no

2 books (at least ) remaining. The author is notoriously slow and stubborn, he still uses a DOS and apparently refuses to buy a laptop.

Books 4 and 5 actually happen at the same time, just one book focuses on one half of the characters and vice versa

I think season 5 will have massive deviations from the books and I'm not fussed about it to be honest. There are so many new story lines and characters coming in that I don't know how they will manage
 
TO those that keep referring to the book, could you PLEASE use a spoiler tag. Its understandable to not use the spoiler tag after an episode airs, but another to not use it for future events. eg- Some people not using spoiler tags to comment on Hound's fate etc
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
^ no

2 books (at least ) remaining. The author is notoriously slow and stubborn, he still uses a DOS and apparently refuses to buy a laptop.

Books 4 and 5 actually happen at the same time, just one book focuses on one half of the characters and vice versa

I think season 5 will have massive deviations from the books and I'm not fussed about it to be honest. There are so many new story lines and characters coming in that I don't know how they will manage
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atleast a computer not a typewriter :P
 
Wrong comparison. Mumbai doesn't exist in that universe, Winterfell does.
 
Yes which is why it didn't make sense. Winterfell was the odd one out there, and not because its fictional.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes which is why it didn't make sense. Winterfell was the odd one out there, and not because its fictional.
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Precisely because it is fictional since Mumbai doesn't have an existence in the ASOIAF universe. If you asked Jon Snow what ''Mumbai'' is, he wouldn't know (as usual, I must say).
 
ASOIAF is fictional itself, so whether Mumbai has existence in its universe or not is illogical. This discussion is going nowhere. :shafiq
 
Mamoon said:
ASOIAF is fictional itself, so whether Mumbai has existence in its universe or not is illogical. This discussion is going nowhere. :shafiq
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I agree. But what if the question is refering to a Winterfell in a fanfic, where it has developped into a city?
 
So looks like we don't get
Aegon Blackfyre/Targaryen

Disappointing

Dany is useless
 
I'm particularly frustrated about the Jamie storyline.

It is going to change the whole Dorne/Riverrun dynamic.
 
jeetu said:
I heard quality of leak isn't the best but watchable.
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If you wait for four week to watch fourth episode, then I am pretty sure I know what's going to happen in that episode because of people spilling spoilers.


Better watch it now to avoid spoilers
 
shah_1 said:
If you wait for four week to watch fourth episode, then I am pretty sure I know what's going to happen in that episode because of people spilling spoilers.


Better watch it now to avoid spoilers
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I agree, no choice by to watch all 4 episodes in one go today. I'll watch it again when better quality print comes out.
 
The new Season is awesome, have watched the first 4 episodes and gotta say this will be an awesome season
 
I've read the first four episodes and am dropping the series completely.

I wanted to watch an adaption of the ASOIAF books, not two hacks pretending to adapt a book and then writing their own lousy story.
 
Book reader here and i knew big changes were coming on this adapation.

Right now im resisting the urge to watch the leaks.

If i do i will have to wait a month for the next episode, that will be too much
 
Mamoon said:
I'm particularly frustrated about the Jamie storyline.

It is going to change the whole Dorne/Riverrun dynamic.
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No point of riverunn story if stoneheart is cut

The only thing i would be disjointed not to see from the riverrun story in the show is Jaime burning Cersi's letter, i can see that being a good way to end the season but at the same time i see them leaving it out
 
The funniest thing about book-readers attitude towards the show is the double standard in their criticism. When something gets cut from the show, it becomes literally the most important part of the story and the writers completely ruined the books by cutting it - even when most people were criticizing it before. When someone gets added in the show, it is subjected to so much scrutiny that, had elements in the book been subjected to the same, they would also seem pretty mediocre. But no, nothing in the books can be a continuity error or a bad plot point because it has been written by the most noble author to ever grace this earth *Pycelle tear*. Everyone was ranting about how bad AFFC and ADWD were when they got released but, now, every single plot point is important and anything getting streamline makes DnD literally Hitler. ASOIAF fans have to be the worst fandom out there.
 
I'm looking forward to when the show overtakes the books. Not only for the agony of the book snobs but more importantly because people won't know what is a deviation and what is a book plot point. It will be hilarous to see people do 360° and try to rationalize what they previously criticized because that plot point was actually straight out of the bookwriter's pen.
 
I have watched the first 4 episdoes of Season 5 after they were leaked online. I saw them all on Saturday.

Without spoiling much, Bran and his crew have not showed up yet and I am starting to become agitated now.
 
Convict said:
I've read the first four episodes and am dropping the series completely.

I wanted to watch an adaption of the ASOIAF books, not two hacks pretending to adapt a book and then writing their own lousy story.
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First 3 books were excellent, the rest since then have sucked (really bad) and taken longer and longer to come out. I'm glad the show writers are taking control of the story - Martin has clearly lost it.
 
Things move very slow. Hardly anything has happened in first 4 episodes. We have not even seen Bran.
 
JamalAfridi said:
Things move very slow. Hardly anything has happened in first 4 episodes. We have not even seen Bran.
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Even last season was slow paced. First four episodes of this season are nothing great, many friends have asked me not to spoil it for them but sadly nothing significant has happened that can be considered as a spoiler. Not losing hope though, some nice storylines are developing slowly but surely.
 
JamalAfridi said:
Things move very slow. Hardly anything has happened in first 4 episodes. We have not even seen Bran.
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I can't see the eventual point of him, unless it is to obviate the dragons by taking control of them.
 
endymion248 said:
The funniest thing about book-readers attitude towards the show is the double standard in their criticism. When something gets cut from the show, it becomes literally the most important part of the story and the writers completely ruined the books by cutting it - even when most people were criticizing it before. When someone gets added in the show, it is subjected to so much scrutiny that, had elements in the book been subjected to the same, they would also seem pretty mediocre. But no, nothing in the books can be a continuity error or a bad plot point because it has been written by the most noble author to ever grace this earth *Pycelle tear*. Everyone was ranting about how bad AFFC and ADWD were when they got released but, now, every single plot point is important and anything getting streamline makes DnD literally Hitler. ASOIAF fans have to be the worst fandom out there.
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It is not about the quality of ASOIAF's plot; it is about staying faithful to the original work.

Obviously, you cannot do so religiously; it is a different medium altogether and you have to factor in the constraints for the TV show. It cannot manage the characters and scenes that don't really add much to the main plot and there weren't many complaints in the first few seasons but in season 5, there are completely deviating from some key elements in the books that are extremely significant to the storylines of many major characters.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
No point of riverunn story if stoneheart is cut

The only thing i would be disjointed not to see from the riverrun story in the show is Jaime burning Cersi's letter, i can see that being a good way to end the season but at the same time i see them leaving it out
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I definitely think they'll incorporate that scene. Too significant not to.

However, exclusion of LS was a blunder and it directly influences the storyline of two major characters. Another blunder is not including Arianne Martel, who is pivotal to the Dornish scheme.

Doran Martell's casting has been rubbish in my opinion, clearly doesn't have the calmness and serenity of Doran that is pivotal to his character. Really doesn't give the same vibe. Early days though, but the first impression has been poor, especially when they have been brilliant with their casting decisions generally.
 
saadibaba said:
So is the "Game of Thongs" back on ?
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First four episodes of Game of Thrones in season 5 has been already released, more like leaked to nets to be precise. Similar paced storyline of season 4, but not bad though. For the exciting parts, season 6 will be one to count on. :sanga

# Game of Thongs :jf
 
Stewie said:
I have watched the first 4 episdoes of Season 5 after they were leaked online. I saw them all on Saturday.

Without spoiling much, Bran and his crew have not showed up yet and I am starting to become agitated now.
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They won't ,the entire season.Sorry to disappoint you . he is busy taking his lessons from 3 aankho wala kauwaa.
 
TM Riddle said:
Thank god.Thought he would never finish it . btw do you think howland reed would finally appear in this one? he alone knows what happened in tower of joy.
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hope so , my theory was that Jojen, who says he knows everything his farther does would tell Brann about R+L = J, but obviously that isn't happening anymore since Jojen will be a goner in the books as wel;

Going back to Howland though i think Martin mentioned he will be in the coming books and that Willis Tyrell will play a big role
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
hope so , my theory was that Jojen, who says he knows everything his farther does would tell Brann about R+L = J, but obviously that isn't happening anymore since Jojen will be a goner in the books as wel;

Going back to Howland though i think Martin mentioned he will be in the coming books and that Willis Tyrell will play a big role
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Wonder how he saved Ned from Arthur dayne? Do you really think lyanna did fell in love with Rheager and that john was legitimized?
 
Mamoon said:
It is not about the quality of ASOIAF's plot; it is about staying faithful to the original work.

Obviously, you cannot do so religiously; it is a different medium altogether and you have to factor in the constraints for the TV show. It cannot manage the characters and scenes that don't really add much to the main plot and there weren't many complaints in the first few seasons but in season 5, there are completely deviating from some key elements in the books that are extremely significant to the storylines of many major characters.
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I haven't watched the leaks so I'll get back to you at the end of the season.
 
TM Riddle said:
Wonder how he saved Ned from Arthur dayne? Do you really think lyanna did fell in love with Rheager and that john was legitimized?
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Yes i subscribe to that theroy, the only thing going against it is thats its too obvious

I also agree with the whole 'dragon has 3 heads' the heads being Dany, Jon and Tyrion ( who is Aerys *******)

Since young griff has been cut from the show that just confirms he is a fake and tyrion is the third head
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Yes i subscribe to that theroy, the only thing going against it is thats its too obvious

I also agree with the whole 'dragon has 3 heads' the heads being Dany, Jon and Tyrion ( who is Aerys *******)

Since young griff has been cut from the show that just confirms he is a fake and tyrion is the third head
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Now that would be awesome if true.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Yes i subscribe to that theroy, the only thing going against it is thats its too obvious

I also agree with the whole 'dragon has 3 heads' the heads being Dany, Jon and Tyrion ( who is Aerys *******)

Since young griff has been cut from the show that just confirms he is a fake and tyrion is the third head
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The Tyrion = Targ is plausible, but it doesn't work for me. R+L=J is obviously true, but if Tyrion turns out to be a Targ as well, it will soften the impact of Jon.

You'll have two major characters turning out to be Targs, don't fancy it.

The 3 dragon heads = Daenerys, Jon and Tyrion is definitely true.
 
Mamoon said:
The Tyrion = Targ is plausible, but it doesn't work for me. R+L=J is obviously true, but if Tyrion turns out to be a Targ as well, it will soften the impact of Jon.

You'll have two major characters turning out to be Targs, don't fancy it.

The 3 dragon heads = Daenerys, Jon and Tyrion is definitely true.
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That ruins the relationship between Tyrion and his father. Tyrion is ''Tywin's true son''. That theory could apply to Tywin's golden children, Jaime and Cersei, though.
 
It actually enhances their relationship in my view. Would explain why Tywin despised him so much, even though he has more political nous and general intelligence than the twins combined. Also, it adds more weight to Tywin's infamous 'I cannot prove that you are not mine' statement.
 
Mamoon said:
It actually enhances their relationship in my view. Would explain why Tywin despised him so much, even though he has more political nous and general intelligence than the twins combined. Also, it adds more weight to Tywin's infamous 'I cannot prove that you are not mine' statement.
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I think that it would be more tragic that Tywin renegated Tyrion for being a dwarf when he is the only who is his true son. This fits what Tywin's sister told him and also Tyrion's last words to Tywin. Also, the mad king told Jaime to kill his father, which he did.
 
Does anybody know where the youngest Stark (Rickon, I believe) is this these.

We haven't seen him since season 3. Last he was headed towards the wall with the wildling lady.
 
TM Riddle said:
He's on some cannibalistic island with that wildling girl osha.
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wonder if the show will ever open up that story, you would think they would since Davos is one of the more popular characters and probably the only 100% good guy left along with Jon (for the time being ). Plus stannis needs a king in the north, rickon is the only one he has left who could do it.
 
endymion248 said:
The funniest thing about book-readers attitude towards the show is the double standard in their criticism. When something gets cut from the show, it becomes literally the most important part of the story and the writers completely ruined the books by cutting it - even when most people were criticizing it before. When someone gets added in the show, it is subjected to so much scrutiny that, had elements in the book been subjected to the same, they would also seem pretty mediocre. But no, nothing in the books can be a continuity error or a bad plot point because it has been written by the most noble author to ever grace this earth *Pycelle tear*. Everyone was ranting about how bad AFFC and ADWD were when they got released but, now, every single plot point is important and anything getting streamline makes DnD literally Hitler. ASOIAF fans have to be the worst fandom out there.
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Err, if you have no clue about what the complains are, then it is better to keep quiet. Have you read the books? From your comments it looks like you have not

No one is talking about continuity errors or plot points ta this moment. Season 5 has completely deviated from the books. A similar analogy would be if in God Father instead of Michael Corleone going back and taking charge of the 5 families, decided to stay back in Sicily and have his empire there. Or in Harry Potter the movies showed Ron never coming back to Harry and joining the death-eaters. That is how much some characters have deviated from the book, taking on the role of completely different characters or different stories to the point that now it follows the book just in name

In some things, if you are not aware what people are complaining about, it is better not to comment. Worst fandom indeed when you are clueless even what is being discussed. If a Harry Potter movie or a Twilight had so much deviations, their directors would have been stoned.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
wonder if the show will ever open up that story, you would think they would since Davos is one of the more popular characters and probably the only 100% good guy left along with Jon (for the time being ). Plus stannis needs a king in the north, rickon is the only one he has left who could do it.
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People always seem to forget about Rickon for some reason.I think he would have a greater part to play in next books.Cant say about the show though.The way they are deviating from books,who knows they might as well decide to scrap his character altogether
 
Indiafan said:
In some things, if you are not aware what people are complaining about, it is better not to comment. Worst fandom indeed when you are clueless even what is being discussed. If a Harry Potter movie or a Twilight had so much deviations, their directors would have been stoned.
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relax my friend. it is just some tv show. never lose perspective.
 
Indiafan said:
Err, if you have no clue about what the complains are, then it is better to keep quiet. Have you read the books? From your comments it looks like you have not

No one is talking about continuity errors or plot points ta this moment. Season 5 has completely deviated from the books. A similar analogy would be if in God Father instead of Michael Corleone going back and taking charge of the 5 families, decided to stay back in Sicily and have his empire there. Or in Harry Potter the movies showed Ron never coming back to Harry and joining the death-eaters. That is how much some characters have deviated from the book, taking on the role of completely different characters or different stories to the point that now it follows the book just in name

In some things, if you are not aware what people are complaining about, it is better not to comment. Worst fandom indeed when you are clueless even what is being discussed. If a Harry Potter movie or a Twilight had so much deviations, their directors would have been stoned.
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The TV show is branching off from the books because the author can no longer churn out books fast enough to keep up. The only alternative would probably be to turn out the tv series every two years instead of yearly and that would mean actors outgrowing their characters in real life. Not to mention with it's wild success across the globe there is massive pressure to keep churning out the show to keep up with demand.
 
Indiafan said:
Err, if you have no clue about what the complains are, then it is better to keep quiet. Have you read the books? From your comments it looks like you have not
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What part of my comments implies that I haven't read the books? The whole premise of your post is that I don't know what I am complaining about so you should be allowed to defend at least that point. BTW, to refresh your memory, if you go up in this thread, you argued with me on whether the books are better than the show and vanished once I put my points forward. This could answer your doubts.

No one is talking about continuity errors or plot points ta this moment. Season 5 has completely deviated from the books. A similar analogy would be if in God Father instead of Michael Corleone going back and taking charge of the 5 families, decided to stay back in Sicily and have his empire there. Or in Harry Potter the movies showed Ron never coming back to Harry and joining the death-eaters. That is how much some characters have deviated from the book, taking on the role of completely different characters or different stories to the point that now it follows the book just in name
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Game of Thrones doesn't have a Michael Corleone and, as such, no single decision can have the same impact. Beyond that, we know that it is capital for Michael to come back from Sicily. We don't know that about say Sansa Stark because her plot hasn't progressed for the last 10 years and we are only half-way through the series. As it stands, there are only 3 people who know whether Michael coming back from Sicily is important or not.

In some things, if you are not aware what people are complaining about, it is better not to comment. Worst fandom indeed when you are clueless even what is being discussed. If a Harry Potter movie or a Twilight had so much deviations, their directors would have been stoned.
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Most HP fans are pretty chill about the differences. Those that aren't simply didn't watch the movies. Yet to see ASOIAF fans who don't watch the show. I guess it's hard to when you are so starved for new material after reading the series for the 10th time in a row. May also explain why they desperately hang to every single detail.
 
I hope the Dorne-ish people are given a bigger role as the series progresses.. They seem so ominous and mysterious with their snake emblem and strange accents.
 
Big points to whichever reviewer who leaked it. Believe it or not I usually wait for the whole season to finish before watching it. That way I am in control of when to watch the next episode and not hbo :)) so this was a pleasant surprise.
 
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