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TM Riddle said:
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LMAO, HP books have the depth of a shallow creek and I say this a HP fan. Very one dimensional characters made for a young audience. GRRM has created entire worlds and the back stories of each character and their motivation is spot on
 
endymion248 said:
Game of Thrones doesn't have a Michael Corleone and, as such, no single decision can have the same impact. Beyond that, we know that it is capital for Michael to come back from Sicily. We don't know that about say Sansa Stark because her plot hasn't progressed for the last 10 years and we are only half-way through the series. As it stands, there are only 3 people who know whether Michael coming back from Sicily is important or not.
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Neither do you know which direction the books will take. The show has already butchered enough of the already existing plot for me to be extremely skeptical of what you claim. You talk about one plot point, but what about young Griffin, Aegys, Jon Cunningham, Victorian, Jamie and Bronn, etc, etc. At this point the show does not even resemble the book. What about Varys leaving King's landing and it's consequences? Mellisendra and Grey Worm? Ser Barristian. Brienne and Pod storyline. Does the show even remotely resemble the book at this point?



endymion248 said:
Most HP fans are pretty chill about the differences.
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Err, maybe because there hasn't been this level of difference. You can talk if Harry Potter movie had removed Lupin completely and have Sirius play both characters or instead of searching for the horcruxes, which was the boring part of Deathly Hollow part 1, the directors had decided to cut to the battle.

endymion248 said:
Those that aren't simply didn't watch the movies. Yet to see ASOIAF fans who don't watch the show. I guess it's hard to when you are so starved for new material after reading the series for the 10th time in a row. May also explain why they desperately hang to every single detail.
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Once, again you try to prove people are complaining about single details when 80% of the plot of ADWD has already been butchered.
 
Indiafan said:
LMAO, HP books have the depth of a shallow creek and I say this a HP fan. Very one dimensional characters made for a young audience. GRRM has created entire worlds and the back stories of each character and their motivation is spot on
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Yeah but the characters are much more interesting and not to mention the humor present in books which ASOIAF seems to lack.Even hp has some nice background story in first rise and fall of of voldy , grindelwald, goblin rebellions etc etc..At the end of the day people want something simple yet witty and adventurous which hp is.Don't take me wrong ASOIAF books are brilliant as well but not on the par with hp.
 
Finally finished watching the leaked episodes. Any chance of another leak coming out anytime soon? I can't wait for a whole month before watching the next episode!
 
Really awful season so far. Bitterly disappointed.

No new leaks, so will have to wait for 'Kill the Boy' on May 10.
 
Mamoon said:
Really awful season so far. Bitterly disappointed.

No new leaks, so will have to wait for 'Kill the Boy' on May 10.
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Didn't find it that bad at all. Like all seasons, it's building up to explode in the final 3 episodes. The only thing you can criticize is how slow the plot is moving for certain characters.
 
I hate waiting for episodes. I watched 4 seasons of GoT in about two weeks and now I have to wait a month for the next episode. With every other show, I can easily avoid spoilers and wait for the season to end, then binge-watch it. However, it's pretty much impossible to do that with GoT, every person and their dog watches that show.
 
TM Riddle said:
Yeah but the characters are much more interesting and not to mention the humor present in books which ASOIAF seems to lack.Even hp has some nice background story in first rise and fall of of voldy , grindelwald, goblin rebellions etc etc..At the end of the day people want something simple yet witty and adventurous which hp is.Don't take me wrong ASOIAF books are brilliant as well but not on the par with hp.
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I thought the humor and wit in asoaif is much more sophisticated than HP. And so much dark humor.

Something like

Bracken: I fear I did not hear your coming, my lord.
Jaime: And I fear I've interrupted yours.
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Frey:I told the Blackfish that if he did not surrender, I would execute his nephew, but he refused.
Jaime: So you killed Edmure Tully.
Frey: It worked with Lord Mallister — he gave in within hours after they threatened to kill his son. But Brynden Tully is impossible to reason with!
Jaime: So, clearly, you had to kill Edmure Tully.
Frey: No.
Jaime: No?
Frey: I can't kill him! He's the only leverage I have!
Jaime: Only a fool threatens to do what he is not prepared to do. If I threatened to hit you if you opened your mouth again, and you dared to speak, what do you think I would do?
Frey: Ser, you do not underst-
Jaime: ::backhands::
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HP books is basically for young kids, Asoiaf is for adults. I am a fan of both series but the charecter depths of Asoaif is on a different level
 
TM Riddle said:
Yeah but the characters are much more interesting and not to mention the humor present in books which ASOIAF seems to lack.Even hp has some nice background story in first rise and fall of of voldy , grindelwald, goblin rebellions etc etc..At the end of the day people want something simple yet witty and adventurous which hp is.Don't take me wrong ASOIAF books are brilliant as well but not on the par with hp.
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How is a few teenagers in school much more interesting than such rich characters as Oberyn, the sand sisters, Victorion, Theon, etc, etc?
 
Book-talk should be banned in this thread. There should be another thread for book-readers alone called "A Song of Ice and Fire". Tv-series watchers have to tread lightly in this thread.
 
I'm going to watch the show week-by-week, can't wait for a month for the next episode, plus the quality of the leaks is pretty bad.
 
Red Devil said:
I'm going to watch the show week-by-week, can't wait for a month for the next episode, plus the quality of the leaks is pretty bad.
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Don't know where you're getting your leaks from, but the quality I watched was top-notch.
 
Anchorman said:
Don't know where you're getting your leaks from, but the quality I watched was top-notch.
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It's still not 1080p :moyo


Lol just checked now, didn't know the leaks were HD lool, but nah I'll still watch it week-by-week.
 
Anchorman said:
Book-talk should be banned in this thread. There should be another thread for book-readers alone called "A Song of Ice and Fire". Tv-series watchers have to tread lightly in this thread.
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Where do you see book spoilers?
 
Indiafan said:
How is a few teenagers in school much more interesting than such rich characters as Oberyn, the sand sisters, Victorion, Theon, etc, etc?
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Come on you have come to sound like those twilight fangirls now.So hp is all about few teenagers in school? What about Bellatrix , Snape, Sirius , Dumbledore , the dark lord himself? Just because ASOIAF has more characters doesn't mean its better. Bellatrix could eat those sand sisters for breakfast.And the quote you posted are seldom events in books.Danny is boring as hell and so are other women characters except arya.Storm of swords was the only book which I would put on par with hp , I mean did you even read that s*it of a book they call feast for crows? It sucked big time.The only complex thing about ASOIAF is the history of different houses and families.HP's plot is brilliant and its twists don't include the meaningless deaths like ASOIAF .
Lastly,I grew up with hp.The joy and excitement of buying new book, waking up all night just to finish it, countless discussions with friends.Sorry but ASOIAF doesn't do that for me.It's a brilliant series without a doubt and I m a huge fan myself as I mentioned before but no way I would put it above hp. Would love GRRM to change my mind with the last two ones .
 
Anchorman said:
I'm just talking in general that there should be a place for book-readers to discuss the series too. I'm thinking of reading the books actually. How good are they?
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I haven't read them but I've been told that the first three were good and then the quality fell drastically therefore the show directors had to make significant changes in the tv shows..
 
Syed1 said:
I haven't read them but I've been told that the first three were good and then the quality fell drastically therefore the show directors had to make significant changes in the tv shows..
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I've heard the same thing, maybe a few bookreaders can help us out here. I'm going to be on vacation for the next 3 months and I would love to take up a new book series.
 
Anchorman said:
I've heard the same thing, maybe a few bookreaders can help us out here. I'm going to be on vacation for the next 3 months and I would love to take up a new book series.
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Give it a try.They are really good,awfully long though esp last one.
 
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Khaleesi sounds like a guys name, how come a girl managed to get a name like that...
 
Indiafan said:
Neither do you know which direction the books will take. The show has already butchered enough of the already existing plot for me to be extremely skeptical of what you claim. You talk about one plot point, but what about young Griffin, Aegys, Jon Cunningham, Victorian, Jamie and Bronn, etc, etc. At this point the show does not even resemble the book. What about Varys leaving King's landing and it's consequences? Mellisendra and Grey Worm? Ser Barristian. Brienne and Pod storyline. Does the show even remotely resemble the book at this point?
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A lot of these are side characters which may or may not be significiant to the ultimate pay-off. I don't mind if DnD keep the essence of the book and the plot points while stream-lining all the stuff that obviously become tedious.

And this precisely supports my point. Most book-readers hated Aegon but, suddenly, he is the most important character that everyone was looking forward to? Same for Stoneheart. A lot of the new characters like Victarion are also pretty superfluous since we all know that Victarion is just a plot device to build Euron's character.

BTW, for someone who cares so much about book purity, you might want to learn the names of the characters you are complaining about getting cut. Otherwise it just proves the point that they weren't important for you to remember them:

Victarion, Missandei, Young Griffon, Jon Connington. Don't even know who Aegys is.

Unless this is some kind of convoluted test, in which case ''well played''.

Err, maybe because there hasn't been this level of difference. You can talk if Harry Potter movie had removed Lupin completely and have Sirius play both characters or instead of searching for the horcruxes, which was the boring part of Deathly Hollow part 1, the directors had decided to cut to the battle.
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I find that GoT TV show follows its source material a lot closely than the Harry Potter films in its spirit (maybe by virtue of being 10 hours long). The HP films just weren't good films and, while they had the major plot points down, they didn't have the soul of the source material, which GoT does.

Once, again you try to prove people are complaining about single details when 80% of the plot of ADWD has already been butchered.
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And, again, you don't know what is detail and what isn't.
 
Brings back reminisces of Khaal Drogo from the first series. How we miss he and his savage hordes. :(
 
endymion248 said:
And, again, you don't know what is detail and what isn't.
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You are not getting one single point. It doesn't matter where the plot goes. The entire story of ADWD has been removed. You are just concentrating in the end goal for some weird reason when the journey is often as much or more fun

If Harry Potter had never gone to Hogsmeade or Diagon alley the story would not change. If Michael Corleone had never been to Sicily the end goal would never change. However, it is these things which make the story stand apart from some random revenge story. You are pretending it is only the end goal which is important. You could not be more wrong.
 
if Harry Potter and Khal Drogo had a fight, I would bet Harry would put Khal Drogo to shame with his nine inch magical wand
 
Indiafan said:
You are not getting one single point. It doesn't matter where the plot goes. The entire story of ADWD has been removed. You are just concentrating in the end goal for some weird reason when the journey is often as much or more fun

If Harry Potter had never gone to Hogsmeade or Diagon alley the story would not change. If Michael Corleone had never been to Sicily the end goal would never change. However, it is these things which make the story stand apart from some random revenge story. You are pretending it is only the end goal which is important. You could not be more wrong.
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Except ADWD was never supposed to exist in the first place, at least not in its current form. It's just a stalling tactic because the author:

-Made his characters too young.
-Had killed off many of the previous book's characters and had to make new ones.
-Had to unite characters in different geographical position.

The most important part of it is that is a book in need of serious editing and cutting down of pointless plot threads. Anyone in the literary industry will tell you that; it's a cautionary tale on what happens when a writer has too much power.

All DnD did in the show was give that story the editing it deeply needed. Two examples to make my point here:

-Daenarys: In the books, you have hundreds of pages of convoluted description through dialogue to explain the main themes behind this part of the book (and what Dany learns from it), that conquering is easier than ruling, that extreme lawfulness is another side of the madness coin and (maybe) the struggle between her nature as a dragon (fire and blood) and as a queen (mhysa). All these ideas are tastefully explained in a few minutes through a combination of all the things that make the show great: acting, dialogue and little symbols hidden in the scene.

-Tyrion: The idea is supposed to be that Tyrion is broken and the way GRRM expresses it is through inlassable repetitions like ''Where do w go'' asked to anyone and everyone he finds along with countless descriptions of Tyrion drinking and wailing. Again, here, with a small amount of on the nose changes (like that scene where he pukes and then carries on drinking), all that self-pity is still there (and even more powerful than in the books) but it is actually good writing.

The point I am making is it is important to go to Sicily because that is where he comes to terms with the identity that he has been escaping all his life. If Scorsese decide to use the Camorra and Napoli instead of Sicily for some reason or the other, who cares?

I am bothered by some things in the show too. These are often a consequence of actors inavailability or lack of budget. For example, Illyrio's absence or Jon Snow election felt a bit lackluster but it is apparently because one of the actors died while filming.
 
Not enjoyed the new series so far particularly the second episode.

Hopefully the next few episodes will be a bit more lively.
 
I dont get why ppl are hating on the new season, its been awesome so far
 
This show has been so freaking amazing!

The second best TV show of all time after Breaking Bad. Did season 1 to season 5 ep 4 in under 2 weeks..
 
The first 4 episodes were average. However, the show had its moments. Snow-Stannis and Arya's story lines seem interesting.. I can't fathom how much more idiotic Sansa Stark can get!
 
Sandeep said:
The first 4 episodes were average. However, the show had its moments. Snow-Stannis and Arya's story lines seem interesting.. I can't fathom how much more idiotic Sansa Stark can get!
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Just read the book, she gets even dumber. I honestly can't wait for Jon Snow and Arya to show their true badass sides, that will be interesting to watch. Also on another note as much as I was happy when Joeffry died, his absence has left a massive void in terms of a "bad guy" although I see Littlefinger taking up the Joeffry type role in show.

Also I am curious to see what they are doing for the Bran storyline, he hasnt been mentioned yet
 
So guys, what's the reaction after the 6th episode? I wasn't surprised to be honest, this had to happen. You pay for your choices.. Sansa Stark, you idiot.
 
Yeah i kinda get what you mean, after 6 episodes the storylines are kind of moving slow for me. Plus not as much action as in the previous seasons, especially season 3. Really hope we get to see some awesome action in the fighting pits with Jorah and see if Tyrion loses his cock
 
hefaith said:
Just read the book, she gets even dumber. I honestly can't wait for Jon Snow and Arya to show their true badass sides, that will be interesting to watch. Also on another note as much as I was happy when Joeffry died, his absence has left a massive void in terms of a "bad guy" although I see Littlefinger taking up the Joeffry type role in show.

Also I am curious to see what they are doing for the Bran storyline, he hasnt been mentioned yet
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Nah. She's much dumber in the show

But hey they had to have that happen so they could use their completely invented Sansa marries Ramsay plot
 
Pretty pathetic to be honest esp season 6,what was the point of adding rape like that which isn't there in the book.
 
JaDed said:
Pretty pathetic to be honest esp season 6,what was the point of adding rape like that which isn't there in the book.
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I been dreading that scene ever since the first episode of this season. If they wanted to put over how sick and twisted Ramsay is that wasn't required, however since they've invested so much in the ramsay/sansa marraige storyline I guess this was important in their view and am guessing sansa is going come out looking a lot stronger when this is all over but they could have just had ramsay treat her like crap; what happened at the end there took it too far as it did between drogo and danerys.
 
shaz619 said:
I been dreading that scene ever since the first episode of this season. If they wanted to put over how sick and twisted Ramsay is that wasn't required, however since they've invested so much in the ramsay/sansa marraige storyline I guess this was important in their view and am guessing sansa is going come out looking a lot stronger when this is all over but they could have just had ramsay treat her like crap; what happened at the end there took it too far as it did between drogo and danerys.
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Yup but there is no guarantee that she will come out stronger its not like GOT ever has happy satisfying endings and i don't see the trend changing with the new write up as well.
 
I did not care for the books initially as people told me the show is faithfull to the book pretty much ! Now I hear that there is too much diversion...is it time to give books a shot?

last scene was horrendous especially if it was not in the book..I guess they are trying to make ramsay the new joeffrey !

I cannot wait for Arya to become powerful..I heard a lot of good things about fights in the pits...hopefully it stands up !
 
Love season 6 so far, setting things up brilliantly for the end season drama.

Dont know why anybody would complain about the last scene of episode 6.

We witnessed Danaerys suffer the same in the very first episode, plus Ramsay hunts ex girlfriends for sport ffs, you expect him to give her an oil massage?

Either way its obvious Sansa will get her revenge later on, plus its kinda symbolic in a way, her virginity was the one thing that may have kept her somewhat innocent, now thats gone I feel we'll see a darker more ruthless Sansa, a little bit like her mother.

Gotta love Baelish btw! So damn sly
 
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May be cause people have lot of sympathy for Sansa...where as when that happened to Khaleesi...it was too early in the show to have any opinion on her ! And also since it was not present in the books...
 
Little finger definately is sly...It is awesome how he has progressed through the ladder from doing flesh trade into the royal circles and is on his way to becoming one of the most powerful characters...
 
IgnitedMind said:
I did not care for the books initially as people told me the show is faithfull to the book pretty much ! Now I hear that there is too much diversion...is it time to give books a shot?

last scene was horrendous especially if it was not in the book..I guess they are trying to make ramsay the new joeffrey !

I cannot wait for Arya to become powerful..I heard a lot of good things about fights in the pits...hopefully it stands up !
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In the book tts not with Sansa but someone else but if they have changed the plot this was avoidable imo.I feel the story isn't coming together and they are not developing properly imo finding it too quick they have almost reached the end.
 
I just dont understand the character of Sansa Stark. What are the motivations behind are actions? Is she really that naive and weak that she allows others to use her to extend her agenda?

Does she really think that Little Finger has her interest at heart? She just walked into a situation where she ended up getting raped by her own family's murderers. Her character and her actions are probably more clearly stated in the books but on the show, it is just utterly disbelieving how she just walked into her current situation.
 
^^ Very true ! I do not even believe that she is dumb anymore..nobody can be that dumb ! But I think last episode of 5th season did show she is a bit manupulative..hopefully she is upto something !
 
IgnitedMind said:
^^ Very true ! I do not even believe that she is dumb anymore..nobody can be that dumb ! But I think last episode of 5th season did show she is a bit manupulative..hopefully she is upto something !
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Exactly, she's no idiot. I think she's accepted she has to play the innocent naive girl act for a while before she does something surprising and offs Ramsay and reclaims Winterfell.

The whole Dorne thing hasnt been very well done though, Jaimes my favourite character but the whole plan they had was so moronic,just walk in and take her???

And Oberyn's wife is such a total dose, someone just kill her please, sick of her stupidity.

As always though the Kings Landing politics between Cersei and the Tyrells was outstanding though. Love every second of those scenes.
 
Technically, she was not his wife.. I want to see more of Doran though. Looks like a strong character.
 
I wanted to seem some bran damn that storyline still has left much to be desired for me.
 
hefaith said:
I wanted to seem some bran damn that storyline still has left much to be desired for me.
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Ugh you kldding me? Bran was easily my least favourite character from last season, though I do want to see what Rickon and his guardian get up to.
 
HBO is such a roller-coaster of emotions. First, watch the saddest moment in the series, a Stark raped in Winterfell by a Bolton. Then laugh like a mad-man at Sillicon Valley's SWOT moment.

By the way, Kumail has to be the funniest desi guy ever on US TV as opposed to hacks like Aziz Ansari and Mindy Kalling (once again Pakistanis better than Indians at everything).
 
endymion248 said:
HBO is such a roller-coaster of emotions. First, watch the saddest moment in the series, a Stark raped in Winterfell by a Bolton. Then laugh like a mad-man at Sillicon Valley's SWOT moment.

By the way, Kumail has to be the funniest desi guy ever on US TV as opposed to hacks like Aziz Ansari and Mindy Kalling (once again Pakistanis better than Indians at everything).
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why? isnt it subjective opinion based on if the comedy appeals to you or not ? I think Aziz and Mindy are funny in their own way...both were good in office and parks and recreation.
 
This fighting pits storyline has suddenly become awesome, really excited about the next few episodes now.
 
IgnitedMind said:
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why? isnt it subjective opinion based on if the comedy appeals to you or not ? I think Aziz and Mindy are funny in their own way...both were good in office and parks and recreation.
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I dont know about Mindy, I think she has a funny shtick but its very very limited, same crap every day sort of thing. Aziz Ansari is pretty funny.
 
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why? isnt it subjective opinion based on if the comedy appeals to you or not ? I think Aziz and Mindy are funny in their own way...both were good in office and parks and recreation.
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I don't think that comedic timing and writing ability (for their stand-ups) are all that subjective. The guy from big bang theory in the SV role would still be obnoxious for example. Also, if you see Aziz Ansari's stand-up, you'll see what I mean.

Although I have heard that Mindy used to write some very good the Office episodes so it's hard to see why she isn't a good comedian even though she is a good writer. Or maybe it's a thing like Seinfeld where the lines just kind of write themselves with established characters.
 
This episode was an improvement on the first few, but the series as a whole seems to be running out of steam. I don't know if this is because the TV show is starting to catch up with the books and now they are having to drag it out to catch up with the author, but it is losing it's clarity and I now find myself not really looking forward to watching it.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This episode was an improvement on the first few, but the series as a whole seems to be running out of steam. I don't know if this is because the TV show is starting to catch up with the books and now they are having to drag it out to catch up with the author, but it is losing it's clarity and I now find myself not really looking forward to watching it.
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Actually it is because for the first time the show is diverging completely from the books in many aspects. the show is not being dragged at all, in fact they have given up all subtlety and world building in favor of showcasing their favorite characters/pair and are going more for shock thrills over substance. For the first time the producers are doing most if the writing on their own and it shows
 
Indiafan said:
Actually it is because for the first time the show is diverging completely from the books in many aspects. the show is not being dragged at all, in fact they have given up all subtlety and world building in favor of showcasing their favorite characters/pair and are going more for shock thrills over substance. For the first time the producers are doing most if the writing on their own and it shows
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I find the show is mishandled this season esp with Sand Snakes and Sansa ,also pretty pathetic they way its being written as its not gelling well ,atleast for me.
 
Season has been a let down so far, besides a couple of scenes with Jon and Stannis and the moment where Tyrion sees the dragon for the first time.

Also, Sansa has become surprisingly bearable this season. She would usually annoy the life out of me in all prior appearances.
 
Last 4 episodes are going to be epic, though. Possibly the best in the series so far.
 
endymion248 said:
Last 4 episodes are going to be epic, though. Possibly the best in the series so far.
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Are you a reader of books? Without soiling anything for anyone here, can you tell if there's any 'good' that's going to happen in the next 4 episodes?
 
Sandeep said:
Are you a reader of books? Without soiling anything for anyone here, can you tell if there's any 'good' that's going to happen in the next 4 episodes?
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Yes and I do think that there are several good plot conclusions coming up. You can roughly guess what's going to happen from the titles so I am really excited about the rest of the season. It has some show-only moments (in episode 8 and in Dorne) but the book moments in 9 and 10 should be awesome.
 
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