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Oh boy hat ending was chilling!!!! My mad.. this show has gone to another level.. :O :(
 
Hold the door..
RIP Hodor :(. Red wedding pales in comparison to this scene.. Hodor easily had the most honorable death in all of the series..
 
Sandeep said:
Hold the door..
RIP Hodor :(. Red wedding pales in comparison to this scene.. Hodor easily had the most honorable death in all of the series..
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Honourable how when he was literally brain washed and controlled by someone else? In order to be honourable you need to have free will
 
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if Bran can change the past he can change whole story of GoT :)) for example he could have stop children of forest from creating white walker. Anyway it's strange that children couldn't protect themselves from white walkers and co yet they were powerful enough to create them.
 
Anyway two open questions...

1. How did that three eye raven ended up under that tree? What Bran had to do to become 3 eye raven. All he did in these episodes was to visit some past times.

2. Who was the person who become white walker king?
 
That was rough first time I have teared up at the this show, closest I got befor was with stannis 's you are my daughter line.

Also why do I get the suspicision they are killing off dire wolves to save budget, summers death seems completely unnecessary and without impact, at least the others had a point to it.


Spoilers based on leaks for next episode

benjen is gonna take bran to the wall
 
Indiafan said:
Honourable how when he was literally brain washed and controlled by someone else? In order to be honourable you need to have free will
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I think that just adds to the tragedy of it, he lived his whole life knowing how he will die , emotionally its incredibly gut wrenching considering how innocent the character is. They did a great job casting young hodor as well
 
Hold the door certainly brought some tears.

But

I'm a man, I sucked it up.
 
Syed1 said:
Hold the door certainly brought some tears.

But

I'm a man, I sucked it up.
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I was just too overwhelmed by the scene to experience any emotion first hand. Same thing happened with The Red Wedding. Before my brain could register what was going on, everything was done and I was left staring at a blank screen well after the episode had finished.

This was followed by the process of sending a message of "Hold the door" to anyone who watches GoT of course.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
That was rough first time I have teared up at the this show, closest I got befor was with stannis 's you are my daughter line.

Also why do I get the suspicision they are killing off dire wolves to save budget, summers death seems completely unnecessary and without impact, at least the others had a point to it.


Spoilers based on leaks for next episode

benjen is gonna take bran to the wall
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I'm all aboard the Grand Northern conspiracy train, so there's still hope for Shaggydog!
 
I am confused about how past, present and future are mixed up in the last few scenes of s6 ep5. If 'Hodor' was short for "Hold the door", when did he(Hodor) knew about it?? - He has being using this phrase all his life :13:

It was a very sad scene but I was more confused than Sad...

Also, it's not clear (too me atleast) which did Children of Forest did to create the white Walkers? - What they stab? How that created a deadly weapon like White Walker? - Does the book has more details??- Its more Voodoo than it should be :(
 
zimmz said:
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if Bran can change the past he can change whole story of GoT :)) for example he could have stop children of forest from creating white walker. Anyway it's strange that children couldn't protect themselves from white walkers and co yet they were powerful enough to create them.
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I think he can only change as to what has happened therby the reason for "Hodor" existing,he could had been involved in the great war to begin with lets see how it pans out but i don't think it will similar to butterfly effect or back to the future thing considering "the change is visible now"
 
yasir said:
I am confused about how past, present and future are mixed up in the last few scenes of s6 ep5. If 'Hodor' was short for "Hold the door", when did he(Hodor) knew about it?? - He has being using this phrase all his life :13:

It was a very sad scene but I was more confused than Sad...

Also, it's not clear (too me atleast) which did Children of Forest did to create the white Walkers? - What they stab? How that created a deadly weapon like White Walker? - Does the book has more details??- Its more Voodoo than it should be :(
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The used dark magic basically to create the white walker ,also the future past aren't mixed up as such,any change that we already see has happened,which is reason for Hodor saying Hodor,because Bran caused the damage,its pretty similar to "interstellar" the room thing and Mathew going around in "time dimensions".
 
The story is going much faster now that it almost feels rushed at times compared to GOT flow,Aarya's storyline is still confusing as its going nowhere,thought they would show the battle of Kings landing in this episode but they showed white walker in this one.

Where is Benjen Stark surely he is there somewhere waiting to pop up,also did anyone notice when Meera killed the White walker he died whereas the Children couldn't,was that the weapon or her hand so much to wonder from this episode.
 
How come Meera baji can kill WW with ease but Children of the Forest with all their magic were dished out a handsome phainti
 
Syed1 said:
How come Meera baji can kill WW with ease but Children of the Forest with all their magic were dished out a handsome phainti
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Dragonglass (glass forged from dragon fire, I presume) is what kills them. Thats what Sam used to kill one of them in one of the earlier season. Valyrian steel that SNow used killed another one. So I am guessing Meera did not know that her weapon probably had either of those two things in it and it instantly ended the White Walker as soon as it touched it.
 
JaDed said:
The used dark magic basically to create the white walker ,also the future past aren't mixed up as such,any change that we already see has happened,which is reason for Hodor saying Hodor,because Bran caused the damage,its pretty similar to "interstellar" the room thing and Mathew going around in "time dimensions".
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its a time warp, isnt it? If Bran had not warged through time into Hodor's mind, this would not have happened. At that time, they were living in both the present and the future so to speak.

But any time related whammies like that are always confusing and for dramatic effects only. There is no realism to it and if you are hoping to get realism out of a show that has dragons, well ... GOOD LUCK!
 
Friggin Bran

So...the only wolves left are Jon's and Arya's which ran off in season 1. Bran's was such a pointless death.
 
Syed1 said:
How come Meera baji can kill WW with ease but Children of the Forest with all their magic were dished out a handsome phainti
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must've been a valyrian edged spear... like the one Sam used.
 
JaDed said:
The story is going much faster now that it almost feels rushed at times compared to GOT flow,Aarya's storyline is still confusing as its going nowhere,thought they would show the battle of Kings landing in this episode but they showed white walker in this one.

Where is Benjen Stark surely he is there somewhere waiting to pop up,also did anyone notice when Meera killed the White walker he died whereas the Children couldn't,was that the weapon or her hand so much to wonder from this episode.
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They don't have much time, it will go too slow otherwise. last season people were complaining Bran's storyline was moving too slow, and I think the writers did the right thing this time. It's more thrilling and interesting.

A cripple boy who is just learning the ropes yet already has a bounty on his head by white walkers.
 
Perhaps the best episode of the entire series so far, due to the emotional wallop. Dani and Ser Jorah reconciled, and Hodor's touching sacrifice, with a bootstrap paradox to boot! Not sure I like Bran much any more though, after he threw his man's life away to save his own, after being so arrogant and foolhardy with the Night's King.
 
i feel nothing for anybody who dies on the show anymore. i have become desensitised to it.
 
Robert said:
Perhaps the best episode of the entire series so far, due to the emotional wallop. Dani and Ser Jorah reconciled, and Hodor's touching sacrifice, with a bootstrap paradox to boot! Not sure I like Bran much any more though, after he threw his man's life away to save his own, after being so arrogant and foolhardy with the Night's King.
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Bran is the key for White Walkers to cross the wall. The reason WW couldn't do it in six seasons because of Children of forest did some wodoo magic on the wall so they can't cross the wall to attack the humans.

That's what I think
 
shah_1 said:
Bran is the key for White Walkers to cross the wall. The reason WW couldn't do it in six seasons because of Children of forest did some wodoo magic on the wall so they can't cross the wall to attack the humans.

That's what I think
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With the mark on his arm, the WW will be able to cross the wall if Bran crosses it.
 
Not sure about all this best episode so far stuff. Moving way too fast for my liking wrecks the flow.

I mean how come Euron became king of the Iron islands just like that
Why did Yara and Theon give up the salt throne so easy rather than fight for it
How did Yara and Theon escape with such a huge fleet without being noticed
How did Night’s king and the white walkers just appear like that
How come the children of the forest were so powerless even after creating Night’s king and co
Why did they kill off Summer in such a meaningless way
Why was there a door in the cave and how could Hodor manage to hold off the Night’s king and the white walkers
How would Meera and Bran be able to outrun Night’s king and the white walkers just ambling along
List goes on ....

Could have gone just a little bit slower and made things a lot smoother and believable I think. Also the Bran-Hodor thing really did my head in. Wasn’t Hodor already Hodor before Bran was born? Also the three-eyed raven did say that the past is already written and can’t be changed right. So what’s the deal there. Last episode was just all over the place for me. Very confusing.
 
SL_Fan said:
Not sure about all this best episode so far stuff. Moving way too fast for my liking wrecks the flow.

I mean how come Euron became king of the Iron islands just like that
Why did Yara and Theon give up the salt throne so easy rather than fight for it
How did Yara and Theon escape with such a huge fleet without being noticed
How did Night’s king and the white walkers just appear like that
How come the children of the forest were so powerless even after creating Night’s king and co
Why did they kill off Summer in such a meaningless way
Why was there a door in the cave and how could Hodor manage to hold off the Night’s king and the white walkers
How would Meera and Bran be able to outrun Night’s king and the white walkers just ambling along
List goes on ....

Could have gone just a little bit slower and made things a lot smoother and believable I think. Also the Bran-Hodor thing really did my head in. Wasn’t Hodor already Hodor before Bran was born? Also the three-eyed raven did say that the past is already written and can’t be changed right. So what’s the deal there. Last episode was just all over the place for me. Very confusing.
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They are overcompensating for the previous rubbish season and the first 4 episodes of this season. The show is now living off past glory and the first 4 amazing seasons which set it up so well. Theyve lost the plot. Who in their right mind can watch Aryas part without wanting to cringe, laugh or fall asleep.
 
Is it feasible for someone to start watching GOT now?
 
aliasad1998 said:
They are overcompensating for the previous rubbish season and the first 4 episodes of this season. The show is now living off past glory and the first 4 amazing seasons which set it up so well. Theyve lost the plot. Who in their right mind can watch Aryas part without wanting to cringe, laugh or fall asleep.
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It's like they hit the wrong fast-forward button. Instead of quickly moving Arya's story along to something that actually serves a purpose they fast forwarded everything else :))
 
It's one of those shows that is better when you binge out and finish the whole season in a few days I reckon. Much more enjoyable than watching an episode a week.
 
SL_Fan said:
As in start from the beginning or just this season?
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beginning

I saw S01E01 during second season.

found it a bit slow and sort of all over the place.

didnt watch further
 
Slog said:
beginning

I saw S01E01 during second season.

found it a bit slow and sort of all over the place.

didnt watch further
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Better late than never bro :))

Get the blu-ray boxset. Must watch.
 
Slog said:
Is it feasible for someone to start watching GOT now?
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GOT is the best TV show ever produced. Its probably most expensive too, you have to watch the whole thing cover to cover!!! - HBO runs on GOT for last few years.
 
Slog said:
beginning

I saw S01E01 during second season.

found it a bit slow and sort of all over the place.

didnt watch further
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Download on Torrent watch first 5 episodes you will get hooked and probably end up doing binge watching.

Note:don't read stories online just watch the show because spoilers are killer for this show!
 
shah_1 said:
Bran is the key for White Walkers to cross the wall. The reason WW couldn't do it in six seasons because of Children of forest did some wodoo magic on the wall so they can't cross the wall to attack the humans.

That's what I think
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Where is the Raven's tree in relation to The Wall? I lose track.
 
Slog said:
Is it feasible for someone to start watching GOT now?
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Season one and two have plenty of incest and vulgarity. If you can hold back the vomits and just power through it then you will get to season six in no time.

I think the show runners realized that alot of kids have also started watching GoT and hence sex scenes have been completely removed.
 
I have a feeling that Benjen chachu will ride in and save Meera and Bran while they are being hounded by the WWs.
 
zimmz said:
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if Bran can change the past he can change whole story of GoT :)) for example he could have stop children of forest from creating white walker. Anyway it's strange that children couldn't protect themselves from white walkers and co yet they were powerful enough to create them.
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There will be show down between Bran and Knight's King, probably in next season... Starks are developing some diverse skill set in 5/6 seasons since they left Winterfield, Arya with some no face God magic, Bran with some brain techniques, Jon with Blood magic of Lord of Light...They better come good at some point, otherwise what's the point of these story lines?

Magic will be important part of the ultimate show down of Fire(Dragons and Khalis) and Ice(Knight King, white Walkers)... Looks like most of the evil forces are on the Ice side, so far Children's(of Forest) were the only positive force on the other side of the Wall...Next season could be about Fire and Ice show down, this season Dragons have to come to the main land!!

Is that why title is "Fire and Ice"? :13:
 
Syed1 said:
Season one and two have plenty of incest and vulgarity. If you can hold back the vomits and just power through it then you will get to season six in no time.

I think the show runners realized that alot of kids have also started watching GoT and hence sex scenes have been completely removed.
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Problem is GOT has too many story lines, little details are spread all over the place, without going through them, you will not understand how those stories are developed, get confusing or not making sense... You have to go through most if not all of it to understand the context :(
 
uberkoen said:
With the mark on his arm, the WW will be able to cross the wall if Bran crosses it.
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Can this also be other way around as well? - Bran can get into his head and do the damage. He was touched by Knight's King, who is most powerful WW... So far we have not seen what WWs think or want to achieve...WWs are like AI, who were created like weapon but know out of control :(

Bran will ride or use Dragon(controlling him through his brain power) to fight the Knight's King sometime in next season, close to the end of GOT!!
 
Slog said:
beginning

I saw S01E01 during second season.

found it a bit slow and sort of all over the place.

didnt watch further
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my advice is to wait 1 more year and start 2 months before the last season starts. it is far more enjoyable when u binge the whole thing in one go. and i as a casual fan have personally had trouble remembering the story lines and all the characters and houses..especially when there are 10 months between the seasons.

before the last season starts i might go back and watch the whole thing again myself.
 
Best episode in 2 years.Was amazing in every sense of the word; breathtaking and heartbreaking. Disappointed with Euron though.Always imagined him as someone like Blackbeard from pirates of Caribbean, sly,cruel and merciless. And Sansa you don't leave littlefinger alive ,you just don't do it silly girl.Should have ordered Brienne to chop his head off and be done with it.
And Bran messing things up as usual.And what's with the wolves killing btw?Complete BS.
 
Syed1 said:
I have a feeling that Benjen chachu will ride in and save Meera and Bran while they are being hounded by the WWs.
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Yeah me too.Since they didn't include coldhands in the show Benjen paaji seems to be the only option unless he is the coldhands.
 
So how many direwolves are left.

Sansa baji lost hers pretty early in the piece. Arya had her taken away and the wolf is still running around somewhere. Rob's wolf embraced shahadat alongside Rob. And Rickon and Bran lost theirs in this season.

So only John's Ghost and Arya's Nymeria are left
 
TM Riddle said:
Yeah me too.Since they didn't include coldhands in the show Benjen paaji seems to be the only option unless he is the coldhands.
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I think somebody raised this question with George RR Martin and he categorically denied that Benjen could be Cold hands
 
Syed1 said:
Season one and two have plenty of incest and vulgarity. If you can hold back the vomits and just power through it then you will get to season six in no time.

I think the show runners realized that alot of kids have also started watching GoT and hence sex scenes have been completely removed.
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Lol, we just saw two "things" this episode. If you worry about kids then you should be worried about the graphic violence in the show. I dunno how people things sex is bad but violence is ok for kids to watch and grow up with
 
Indiafan said:
Lol, we just saw two "things" this episode. If you worry about kids then you should be worried about the graphic violence in the show. I dunno how people things sex is bad but violence is ok for kids to watch and grow up with
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Yeah, its not showing any signs of cutting down on any of that, I dont know what makes you think they are dialing it down, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

You may have missed the theatre scene.
 
anuk said:
my advice is to wait 1 more year and start 2 months before the last season starts. it is far more enjoyable when u binge the whole thing in one go. and i as a casual fan have personally had trouble remembering the story lines and all the characters and houses..especially when there are 10 months between the seasons.

before the last season starts i might go back and watch the whole thing again myself.
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Yeah and it doesn't help they don't recap what's gone down in the first episode of a new season like other shows.
 
The reason why I like Game of Thrones is that people die in this show. There is an ax in the story and it falls on everyone equally.

The rich die, the poor die, the loved ones die, the unloved ones die, the beautiful die, the ugly die, the pious die, the crooks die, even the holy grail in movies - the animals, they die too; in a nutshell no one is immune to death and that is gloriously beautiful.

I know that there are some plot holes and timelines that are not always perfectly in tandem with each other like some posters have mentioned but at the end of the day, the crux of the show lies in its glorious unpredictability and equal treatment.

That in itself is the one main reason that I watch this show or read those books.

I won't mind if the 4th wall is broken in the end and something really unpredictable happens with G.R.R. Martin smoking a pipe sitting in his arm chair appears as the story is at its final climax and just says

"It's all over folks - it was just a story, why did you ever take it that seriously"

An end that will please no one, that would be to me the end that this story deserves.
 
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GoUgandaCranes said:
The reason why I like Game of Thrones is that people die in this show. There is an ax in the story and it falls on everyone equally.

The rich die, the poor die, the loved ones die, the unloved ones die, the beautiful die, the ugly die, the pious die, the crooks die, even the holy grail in movies - the animals, they die too; in a nutshell no one is immune to death and that is gloriously beautiful.

I know that there are some plot holes and timelines that are not always perfectly in tandem with each other like some posters have mentioned but at the end of the day, the crux of the show lies in its glorious unpredictability and equal treatment.

That in itself is the one main reason that I watch this show or read those books.

I won't mind if the 4th wall is broken in the end and something really unpredictable happens with G.R.R. Martin smoking a pipe sitting in his arm chair appears as the story is at its final climax and just says

"It's all over folks - it was just a story, why did you ever take it that seriously"

An end that will please no one, that would be to me the end that this story deserves.
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Oh no, that wouldbe horrendous. There is more to it. This show is much more complex. A tale of human emotions, motivations, the tyranny of power and the spectrum of governance, with a fair smattering of religion in it.

Some say its about fascism vs absolute monarchy vs communism vs religious extremism....Some say its about the effects humans have on the environment and global warming.. some say its about slavery.. all those are pretty relevant and deep concepts and I want to know how the show or the author handles them towards the end, addresses the conflicts and does a realistic ending.
 
I love how when a show reaches a certain point of fame, the original diehards start hating it for petty reasons and calling the new episodes crap.

Show isnt perfect but its damn close IMO, this season has been very good so far.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I love how when a show reaches a certain point of fame, the original diehards start hating it for petty reasons and calling the new episodes crap.

Show isnt perfect but its damn close IMO, this season has been very good so far.
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Any of the major actors from Ireland?
 
SL_Fan said:
Also the Bran-Hodor thing really did my head in. Wasn’t Hodor already Hodor before Bran was born? Also the three-eyed raven did say that the past is already written and can’t be changed right. So what’s the deal there. Last episode was just all over the place for me. Very confusing.
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The raven is right in saying past is written and can't be changed. Bran lurking into the past is really THE PAST that has been written. He visited hodor in the past and influenced him but still it was THE PAST.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I love how when a show reaches a certain point of fame, the original diehards start hating it for petty reasons and calling the new episodes crap.

Show isnt perfect but its damn close IMO, this season has been very good so far.
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yah, some people just like to moan and cry. It is pretty darn good and consistently so.
 
Petyr Baelish also had a small role in the last Batman movie. Didn't he play a CIA agent who gets his neck broken by Bane in the first 20 minutes of the movie?
 
Kinda disappointed in the non-canonical (I'm guessing) version of the WW's origins. These terrifying, near-invincible, deadly beings were created by weird looking tree-lovers :))
 
GenericBrand said:
Kinda disappointed in the non-canonical (I'm guessing) version of the WW's origins. These terrifying, near-invincible, deadly beings were created by weird looking tree-lovers :))
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Yeah. The white walkers were creation of damn hippies. Who would have thunk that?!!!!!
 
Stewie said:
Petyr Baelish also had a small role in the last Batman movie. Didn't he play a CIA agent who gets his neck broken by Bane in the first 20 minutes of the movie?
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He also had a major role as mayor of Baltimore in the wire .Darn good actor.
 
zimmz said:
The raven is right in saying past is written and can't be changed. Bran lurking into the past is really THE PAST that has been written. He visited hodor in the past and influenced him but still it was THE PAST.
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Well Bran caused young Hodor to become Hodor right even though Hodor was already Hodor before Bran was even born. So how was that possible without Bran interfering with the past. Or in other words would young Hodor have become Hodor had Bran not been there while warging into old Hodor? I just can’t get my head around the whole thing unless of course Bran can actually interfere with the past if he wargs into someone or something in the present while also being in the past with that same someone or something.
 
Found this

Link

To help put our broken minds back together — and figure out what the heck went down with Bran and Hodor in that tree — Tech Insider spoke to Sean Carroll, a theoretical physicist at Caltech who studies time.

"Interestingly, once you allow time travel into your universe, rather than saying everything that happens has as source," Carroll explained, "you're asking that everything is consistent, and that everything is actually information circling around in time without a source."

This is known as a consistent causal loop. People in later times come back to alter the events of the past, but this is consistent with how these events later play out, creating that future that sends back the time travelers.

Contrast that with an inconsistent causal loop, which occurs in Back to the Future. Marty and Doc's meddling in the past changes the course of history, causing some time travel-induced family photo editing.

So did Bran change the course of history in Westeros?

"The short way of saying this is, he didn't change the past, he affected the past,"
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I think I get it now. So this was all pre-determined. I guess from here only time will tell what else Bran affects in the past.
 
Robert said:
Where is the Raven's tree in relation to The Wall? I lose track.
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