"Gone are the days when we could threaten and get away" : New BCCI boss Vinod Rai

[cricketjoshila]

People that watch cricket are not owned by BCCI. False entitlement by BCCI and their fans. This is like saying India should get the most amount of money made by multinational corporations because they milk money from the Indian population. Imagine USA Basketball asking Adidas and Puma to give 30% of their cut because Adidas and Puma are making billions of dollars selling Basketball shoes in USA. India is a Free Market economy, anybody can milk money out of Indian population. This is very laughable.

Indian fans pay to watch Indian team.That team is owned by BCCI.Infact the Govt of India recognises BCCI as controlling body of all cricket in India.

So if anyone is making money by showing Indian cricket matches or the Indian team is involved anywhere then the revenue generated by Indian public to watch the Indian team perform is due the Indian team and hence due to BCCI.

If Indian public would be so interested in watching other teams matches then those boards wont be suffering financial crucnch.NZ doesnt even have a rights holder in India.PSL also isnt telecast in India.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

BCCI could atom bomb Wellington and some people would say that if not for India's tours NZ would've descended into a post apocalyptic society anyway so in reality NZ should pay India for delaying it

 

[Drreddymd]

Are they taking $$$ earned by BCCI from Eng vs India tour and giving it to Zimbabwe ?

Because icc is earning from indian cricket which is a bcci property. If u r distributing profits it should be based on u r contribution and not on charity basis right

 

[Donal Cozzie]

LoL.Limaye or Rai will have to explain to the court why they voted for a proposal that lost BCCI 100s million USD.

Limaye was very direct when he said that there is no scientific basis of the proposed cut except good faith and equity and you cannot decide the revenue matters of World Cricket on that basis.

Btw how was pre 2014 model fair?

The current Big 3 model in place today also never displayed the calculations behind it btw

 

[Drreddymd]

BCCI could atom bomb Wellington and some people would say that if not for India's tours NZ would've descended into a post apocalyptic society anyway so in reality NZ should pay India for delaying it

Reality is bitter for u right? Just go through the statements from nz board about how indian tour subsidized other tours untill ind tours nz again

 

[Thivagar]

Indian fans pay to watch Indian team.That team is owned by BCCI.Infact the Govt of India recognises BCCI as controlling body of all cricket in India.

So if anyone is making money by showing Indian cricket matches or the Indian team is involved anywhere then the revenue generated by Indian public to watch the Indian team perform is due the Indian team and hence due to BCCI.

If Indian public would be so interested in watching other teams matches then those boards wont be suffering financial crucnch.NZ doesnt even have a rights holder in India.PSL also isnt telecast in India.

So the $570 Million or whatever that India is requesting were generated involving the Indian team ? Not a single penny is generated from a match not involving the Indian team ? Is that right ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Reality is bitter for u right? Just go through the statements from nz board about how indian tour subsidized other tours untill ind tours nz again

You are making it look like as if we are doing a favour by touring sides like NZ and hosting Bangladesh. They should just lose the series on purpose to repay the favour done by India.

And then you say you have been watching cricket since 80's lol.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

India vs Australia tour = lets say 40 million US$

India vs (NO TEAM FOUND) tour = 0 US$

Indian Fans : ALL OF CRICKET'S MONEY BELONGS TO US.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India vs Australia tour = lets say 40 million US$

India vs (NO TEAM FOUND) tour = 0 US$

Indian Fans : ALL OF CRICKET'S MONEY BELONGS TO US.

ICC should give us the champions trophy and world cup but still host both these tournaments to know who are going to be the runner ups.

 

[HitWicket]

Reality is bitter for u right? Just go through the statements from nz board about how indian tour subsidized other tours untill ind tours nz again

Might as well go ahead and make this interesting :

Considering all financial years this decade so far (6 of them) New Zealand Cricket have made profits in all except 2 of them. One of those years just happens to be the year India toured, and resulted in the biggest loss out of every year this decade so far. So much for supporting NZC financially...?

 

[R0H1T]

[MENTION=83349]R0H1T[/MENTION] I remember you vehemently supporting SC decision, what are your views on this bud?

Of course I support the SC & it's reforms wrt Indian cricket, but as I've said in the other thread that BCCI (or Indian cricket) getting it's fair share of $ is different from what happens to sports administration in India. Whatever happens at the ICC is an afterthought, they can go to hell for all I care seeing how badly they manage intl cricket, but reforms in India should be our priority.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Because 80% revenue is generated in India.

Prove that figure 80%.

I say its probably closer to 65%.

 

[Syed1]

Because 80% revenue is generated in India.

I think you are wrong at the very least 95% revenue is generated in India. I think even more than that.

 

[Bilal7]

I am thoroughly enjoying seeing the BCCI brought down to their knees. Always good seeing a tyrant defeated.

One thing I do admire about the institution is that they take care of their players really well. Probably the sole thing the other boards should learn from them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The current Big 3 model in place today also never displayed the calculations behind it btw

They did to all member countries via a paper presented way back in 2014.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Prove that figure 80%.

I say its probably closer to 65%.

Ask ICC to prove that figue.They mentioned it in 2014 not me.

You can say its 5% wont be the truth.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Might as well go ahead and make this interesting :

Considering all financial years this decade so far (6 of them) New Zealand Cricket have made profits in all except 2 of them. One of those years just happens to be the year India toured, and resulted in the biggest loss out of every year this decade so far. So much for supporting NZC financially...?

You are confusing the figures of NZCB of 2013-14 with India tour of 2014.This revenue will be reflected in their 2014-15 balance sheet.

In fact Newzealand CEO acknowledged ,the revenue generated from India's tour is the biggest in NZL sporting history not just in cricket.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Ask ICC to prove that figue.They mentioned it in 2014 not me.

You can say its 5% wont be the truth.

The ICC didnt cite that figure. It was Srinivasan or whoever was inncharge of BCCI.

You mentioned it in this thread, therefore its your responsibility to back it up or retract that figure.

 

[Tusker]

I am thoroughly enjoying seeing the BCCI brought down to their knees. Always good seeing a tyrant defeated.

One thing I do admire about the institution is that they take care of their players really well. Probably the sole thing the other boards should learn from them.

Do you even realize that Manohar is an ex BCCI chief ?

 

[aniket1911]

Of course I support the SC & it's reforms wrt Indian cricket, but as I've said in the other thread that BCCI (or Indian cricket) getting it's fair share of $ is different from what happens to sports administration in India. Whatever happens at the ICC is an afterthought, they can go to hell for all I care seeing how badly they manage intl cricket, but reforms in India should be our priority.

This is totally wrong order of priorities you got there. For, had Indian domestic cricket been such a cesspool as SC think, we would never been such an powerful board to start with.
What really harm us, is this spineless bunch of administrators flapping their mouth when should just go about doing their actual duty for which they were appointed by SC. Even if we lose money, it's not really that much of a issue, but having an ODI leagues and test league will mean the unofficial window is out of the window pane for IPL. No matter how strong you are, if you are spearheaded by meek personality with no prerequisite nous to deal in corporate world, you will be eaten alive.

 

[Drreddymd]

Might as well go ahead and make this interesting :

Considering all financial years this decade so far (6 of them) New Zealand Cricket have made profits in all except 2 of them. One of those years just happens to be the year India toured, and resulted in the biggest loss out of every year this decade so far. So much for supporting NZC financially...?

Yeah india tour is a loss making one to Nz board. Tell that to. Nz board chairman who proclaimed that indian tour resulted in profits over 25 million

 

[Drreddymd]

ICC should give us the champions trophy and world cup but still host both these tournaments to know who are going to be the runner ups.

What is this nonsense u r sprouting which adds nothing to the discussion? We r posting here truths about what will Happen if indian board doesn't tour nz and nz cricket will Not survive without bcci money if they antagonize india but u post rubbish which has no meaning. Who is asking icc to make india champions? If this is what u r getting from this discussion then u r not fit to have a conversation on this topic

 

[Drreddymd]

I am thoroughly enjoying seeing the BCCI brought down to their knees. Always good seeing a tyrant defeated.

One thing I do admire about the institution is that they take care of their players really well. Probably the sole thing the other boards should learn from them.

Wait till the final rights are done and dont celebrate before the actual thing is done

 

[Drreddymd]

You are confusing the figures of NZCB of 2013-14 with India tour of 2014.This revenue will be reflected in their 2014-15 balance sheet.

In fact Newzealand CEO acknowledged ,the revenue generated from India's tour is the biggest in NZL sporting history not just in cricket.

Why u need facts when he is in alternative reality

 

[Drreddymd]

India vs Australia tour = lets say 40 million US$

India vs (NO TEAM FOUND) tour = 0 US$

Indian Fans : ALL OF CRICKET'S MONEY BELONGS TO US.

Ind doesnt need other teams. It is the other way round because bcci can survive with ipl alone and other teams need indian money to survive. What part of it is hard to understand for u.
If every team boycotts bcci then it has to poach marquee players from sa, wi, nz, sl with dollars which it is easily possible then u can play as much as u want without evil Bcci and promote game of cricket to new countries with all the money u make through icc as u dont have bcci to take the pie

 

[HitWicket]

You are confusing the figures of NZCB of 2013-14 with India tour of 2014.This revenue will be reflected in their 2014-15 balance sheet.

In fact Newzealand CEO acknowledged ,the revenue generated from India's tour is the biggest in NZL sporting history not just in cricket.

Why would the tour that took place in January and Feburary 2014 (the 2013/2014 season) be represented on the financial records for 2014/15...?

 

[HitWicket]

Why u need facts when he is in alternative reality

Except I quite clearly have the fact that shows the year India toured coincided with the biggest loss for NZC this decade, despite supposedly 'propping them up'.

 

[Drreddymd]

Except I quite clearly have the fact that shows the year India toured coincided with the biggest loss for NZC this decade, despite supposedly 'propping them up'.

The year india toured will be shown in next year and not in same year finances right? If u dont understand basic things then nobody can help u

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What is this nonsense u r sprouting which adds nothing to the discussion? We r posting here truths about what will Happen if indian board doesn't tour nz and nz cricket will Not survive without bcci money if they antagonize india but u post rubbish which has no meaning. Who is asking icc to make india champions? If this is what u r getting from this discussion then u r not fit to have a conversation on this topic

Yeah only your opinion counts others opinions are nonsense. Yeah so what will happen if India doesn't tour NZ? And how is it a truth when it hasn't happened yet. You are nobody to judge whether I am fit to post my opinion in this thread or not. Mind your own business.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ind doesnt need other teams. It is the other way round because bcci can survive with ipl alone and other teams need indian money to survive. What part of it is hard to understand for u.
If every team boycotts bcci then it has to poach marquee players from sa, wi, nz, sl with dollars which it is easily possible then u can play as much as u want without evil Bcci and promote game of cricket to new countries with all the money u make through icc as u dont have bcci to take the pie

India doesn't need other teams? Now is this not a nonsense? What kind of world are you living in? Every one depends on other. You know you can't marry yourself and produce babies.

 

[Drreddymd]

Yeah only your opinion counts others opinions are nonsense. Yeah so what will happen if India doesn't tour NZ? And how is it a truth when it hasn't happened yet. You are nobody to judge whether I am fit to post my opinion in this thread or not. Mind your own business.

I am also posting about hypothetical scenario based on revenues generated by ind tour of nz. U r just posting nomsense like ind should be declared winners of champions trophy and other thimgs which have no relevance

 

[Drreddymd]

India doesn't need other teams? Now is this not a nonsense? What kind of world are you living in? Every one depends on other. You know you can't marry yourself and produce babies.

If india is expelled from icc how will it need other teams? I am posting the scenarios if such thing happened. It can play ipl only and it doesnt need teams to play isn't it?

 

[JaDed]

BCCI is not bigger than the game,lets not get carried away ,the situation here is that BCCI is being asked to cut on every front which is unfair.
The game won't die without BCCI we need to remember that,the problem is dialogues won't work against Shashank, he is hell bent on being messiah of sort ,if he wasnt from Nagpur but some poorer association without infrastructure or something he would realize the need of money for those areas.

 

[HitWicket]

The year india toured will be shown in next year and not in same year finances right? If u dont understand basic things then nobody can help u

Again, why on Earth would a tour in early 2014 be shown on the finances for the latter end of 2014 and first half of 2015...? Fairly clearly who's not understanding basic things here.

 

[Drreddymd]

Again, why on Earth would a tour in early 2014 be shown on the finances for the latter end of 2014 and first half of 2015...? Fairly clearly who's not understanding basic things here.

Ok lets accept that it is shown in 2014. What has bcci got to do with loses of nz board. Indian tour in that year made nz board more than 35 million dollars and i have given proofs for u in the other post.

 

[R0H1T]

This is totally wrong order of priorities you got there. For, had Indian domestic cricket been such a cesspool as SC think, we would never been such an powerful board to start with.
What really harm us, is this spineless bunch of administrators flapping their mouth when should just go about doing their actual duty for which they were appointed by SC. Even if we lose money, it's not really that much of a issue, but having an ODI leagues and test league will mean the unofficial window is out of the window pane for IPL. No matter how strong you are, if you are spearheaded by meek personality with no prerequisite nous to deal in corporate world, you will be eaten alive.

Where does domestic cricket come into all of this, sports administration (reforms) is independent of whatever happens at BCCI, or IHF for that matter? The malaise is deep because politicians & Babus retain their post (hence 9yrs tenure) through all their "chamchas" which occupy every important post in BCCI & state associations.

What do you mean by lose money, it's India's money? Do you throw 2k rupees note out of your house to solve an internal tussle, if not then why should this (free) easy money go to corrupt boards like SLC, Zim et al? ODI & test league are good in theory, have you seen any modalities as to how these "reforms" will be implemented? Will Ashes still have 5 tests, do Aus/Eng also want a 4/5 test tour of India & vice versa?

BCCI is the best run professional body in intl cricket, that they have corrupt officials is something else entirely. Are you claiming that BCCI is run by incompetent fools, who are just as unprofessional?

 

[Itachi]

Except I quite clearly have the fact that shows the year India toured coincided with the biggest loss for NZC this decade, despite supposedly 'propping them up'.

Economics tells it, NZC got saved from bankruptcy because of India tour.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If india is expelled from icc how will it need other teams? I am posting the scenarios if such thing happened. It can play ipl only and it doesnt need teams to play isn't it?

Since we don't need other teams according to your scenarios then I guess we also don't need their players to play in IPL? Am I right Doctor Sahab?

 

[HitWicket]

Ok lets accept that it is shown in 2014. What has bcci got to do with loses of nz board. Indian tour in that year made nz board more than 35 million dollars and i have given proofs for u in the other post.

Except we've already been through that NZC didn't even make that much in revenue that year...

Economics tells it, NZC got saved from bankruptcy because of India tour.

Not entirely sure what you mean by this?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Except we've already been through that NZC didn't even make that much in revenue that year...




Not entirely sure what you mean by this?

David White told the media.He is NZC CEO.Credible media outlets have reported this

Not to forget that NZC made 25mn from the 2009 tour.

 

[HitWicket]

David White told the media.He is NZC CEO.Credible media outlets have reported this

Well it's fairly clear then that this value was either incorrect or a large amount of the money didn't go to NZC given their total revenue doesn't even add up to a figure such as that suggested.

 

[aniket1911]

Where does domestic cricket come into all of this, sports administration (reforms) is independent of whatever happens at BCCI, or IHF for that matter? The malaise is deep because politicians & Babus retain their post (hence 9yrs tenure) through all their "chamchas" which occupy every important post in BCCI & state associations.

If you read all lodha reforms, you will understand, there are many recommendations which are not viable. For instance, IPL window to be fixed. All are not pertaining to administrations.

What do you mean by lose money, it's India's money? Do you throw 2k rupees note out of your house to solve an internal tussle, if not then why should this (free) easy money go to corrupt boards like SLC, Zim et al? ODI & test league are good in theory, have you seen any modalities as to how these "reforms" will be implemented? Will Ashes still have 5 tests, do Aus/Eng also want a 4/5 test tour of India & vice versa?

I think you got wrong idea, I am against cutting down BCCI revenue but that is nothing compared to starting an ODI league and these league which might take away IPL window. That is equivalent to waging a war against BCCI.

BCCI is the best run professional body in intl cricket, that they have corrupt officials is something else entirely. Are you claiming that BCCI is run by incompetent fools, who are just as unprofessional?

I am failing to understand some coherent logic behind this. An institution is as good as it's leadership. Look at neighborhood for example.

My only animus with SC decision is, in it's bid to aggressively implement the reforms and prune the crooks, left BCCI out on a limb to vultures having hay-day seeing it wounded.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well it's fairly clear then that this value was either incorrect or a large amount of the money didn't go to NZC given their total revenue doesn't even add up to a figure such as that suggested.

Who will take the money if not the NZC?

Various media reported it.They also reported the the money made during 2009 tour.

Its entirely possible that like BCCI receives its amount from sponsors and TV over couple of months after the series is over same is true for NZC and they made money post March 2014.

Its unlikely that the CEO and media will report earnings for two years wrongly.

 

[Bilal7]

Wait till the final rights are done and dont celebrate before the actual thing is done

At this point, it doesn't matter what the final outcome is. The BCCI has been brought down to earth and will not dare bully the other boards again.

You should be celebrating too unless you're another BCCI ka.

Do you even realize that Manohar is an ex BCCI chief ?

"Ex". Even better that they are being hit around by their own kind.

 

[Drreddymd]

At this point, it doesn't matter what the final outcome is. The BCCI has been brought down to earth and will not dare bully the other boards again.

You should be celebrating too unless you're another BCCI ka.



"Ex". Even better that they are being hit around by their own kind.

U can celebrate only imaginary victories where as we wait untill real victory so that we can rub into the faces of bcci haters like u

 

[Drreddymd]

Who will take the money if not the NZC?

Various media reported it.They also reported the the money made during 2009 tour.

Its entirely possible that like BCCI receives its amount from sponsors and TV over couple of months after the series is over same is true for NZC and they made money post March 2014.

Its unlikely that the CEO and media will report earnings for two years wrongly.

I have even posted an article and Wikipedia link but still he is not believing. I dont know what will he need to be convinced?

 

[Drreddymd]

Since we don't need other teams according to your scenarios then I guess we also don't need their players to play in IPL? Am I right Doctor Sahab?

What part of it is not clear for u? How r players and teams one and the same? Players are not slaves to boards right? If u offer them money they will Become freelancers and kolpaks right? That situation is already happening with not that great amount of money. Imagine if the players are offerd sums they cannot resist? Will they stick to corrupt boards playing peanuts for the sake of fans like u or will they be looking for their future?

I can understand u r situation if all boards are not bankrupt and players are well looked by the boards but it is not the case right? Other than bcci, acb, ecb most boards are bankrupt with not only financial problems but security issues, issue of quotas, players revolting in case of wcb.

So inspite of these problems u expect players to maintain statusquo and reject offers that improve their lively hood right ?

 

[HitWicket]

I have even posted an article and Wikipedia link but still he is not believing. I dont know what will he need to be convinced?

Official financial documents from the year being discussed that don't show NZC making a loss? Oh wait, they don't exist...

 

[FreePalestine]

In my opinion, having an idealist with a background in the judiciary rather than a corporate-type head of the BCCI will be beneficial for the game at large, and therefore also beneficial to India in the long run. The previous model was unsustainable.

Pakistan are playing domestic cricket with rubbish third grade balls and dodgy pitches because there is no money anymore. So the huge gap in revenues have had an impact on the world game. And undoubtedly the world game is richer when all countries are producing magic talent like they did in the past (Was, Waqar, WI greats). So for India to take so much of the revenue is damaging to the world game and is undemocratic.

Remember, cricket is sustained by fans ultimately, so to make some more money in the short term, at the expense of alienating the wider cricket world is definitely an unsustainable strategy. CF - Donald Trump's presidency!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Official financial documents from the year being discussed that don't show NZC making a loss? Oh wait, they don't exist...

Only problem is that neither of us knows how that money is paid or accrued.Single time payment at start or middle or end of series? Or staggered payment over months etc etc.So we dont know how and in which years financials it will reflect.

But the man who gave the statements,mentioning the amounts of two different test series knows how the money comes and when does it come.So that matters.Else why will the NZC CEO give such a statement.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What part of it is not clear for u? How r players and teams one and the same? Players are not slaves to boards right? If u offer them money they will Become freelancers and kolpaks right? That situation is already happening with not that great amount of money. Imagine if the players are offerd sums they cannot resist? Will they stick to corrupt boards playing peanuts for the sake of fans like u or will they be looking for their future?

I can understand u r situation if all boards are not bankrupt and players are well looked by the boards but it is not the case right? Other than bcci, acb, ecb most boards are bankrupt with not only financial problems but security issues, issue of quotas, players revolting in case of wcb.

So inspite of these problems u expect players to maintain statusquo and reject offers that improve their lively hood right ?

Funny that you are comparing Kolpaks deal with IPL. Players like Abbott will settle in England with their families and play cricket there for county teams. All these county teams come under ECB which itself is a member of ICC. I can't see that happening with IPL if BCCI is not a member of ICC. How many foreign players have settled in India with their families?

Only has beens and near retirement players will come and play in IPL. And if IPL extends the duration to 6-8 months per year none of the players will stay in India for more than 4 months. They will keep replacing players after players. So yeah just try it once and see what happens.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What part of it is not clear for u? How r players and teams one and the same? Players are not slaves to boards right? If u offer them money they will Become freelancers and kolpaks right? That situation is already happening with not that great amount of money. Imagine if the players are offerd sums they cannot resist? Will they stick to corrupt boards playing peanuts for the sake of fans like u or will they be looking for their future?

I can understand u r situation if all boards are not bankrupt and players are well looked by the boards but it is not the case right? Other than bcci, acb, ecb most boards are bankrupt with not only financial problems but security issues, issue of quotas, players revolting in case of wcb.

So inspite of these problems u expect players to maintain statusquo and reject offers that improve their lively hood right ?

I like the way you just casually put up BCCI as non corrupt alongside ECB and CA... LOL

 

[Eagle_Eye]

ICC should just call Indian bluff.... let them cry off and play the tournament without them.

Indian TV channels and sponsors will still pay good whack. What private entities do and how they spend money on advertising their brand is none of the concern of BCCI. End of.

Star paid $100 odd million for 3 year coverage of EPL, did Indian soccer have any say in it or a cut? Of course not. Time to tell BCCI to toe the line or sod off.

 

[jagatk]

ICC should just call Indian bluff.... let them cry off and play the tournament without them.

Indian TV channels and sponsors will still pay good whack. What private entities do and how they spend money on advertising their brand is none of the concern of BCCI. End of.

Star paid $100 odd million for 3 year coverage of EPL, did Indian soccer have any say in it or a cut? Of course not. Time to tell BCCI to toe the line or sod off.

Star paid that amount because epl has that much of a following in india, most indians won't care about CT or any other cricket tournament that does not have india playing in it, you are comparing apples and oranges. Last time india exited a world tournament early it was nearly a huge disaster for icc, which is why they changed formats in 2011. If indians don't watch the games much, which they won't unless india is playing, ratings will be a disaster, which while won't affect current tournament, but the next one will get far less money as the broadcasters won't want to burn their fingers again.

I know it is a fashionable thing to slam the bcci and keep repeating that they have no power, but saying it a thousand times won't change the fact that without bcci cricket cannot survive in most countries.

 

[jagatk]

Funny that you are comparing Kolpaks deal with IPL. Players like Abbott will settle in England with their families and play cricket there for county teams. All these county teams come under ECB which itself is a member of ICC. I can't see that happening with IPL if BCCI is not a member of ICC. How many foreign players have settled in India with their families?

Only has beens and near retirement players will come and play in IPL. And if IPL extends the duration to 6-8 months per year none of the players will stay in India for more than 4 months. They will keep replacing players after players. So yeah just try it once and see what happens.

They will settle if there is enough money to be made look at the Chinese football league, they will earn more money in the ipl than they will playing cricket for counties or country, especially if india won't be touring them, also kolpaks won't really get them an english international team call up, so playing under the icc or not does not really matter, also kolpak deals can't be signed anymore once brexit comes in fruition, so that is another option done. Right now you like it or not, bcci keeps the icc from going under, make no mistake bcci will get hurt if icc and bcci break up, but when push comes to a shove most boards will pick bcci over manohar or ecb or CA, they know they can't survive without bcci.

 

[Tusker]

ICC should just call Indian bluff.... let them cry off and play the tournament without them.

Indian TV channels and sponsors will still pay good whack. What private entities do and how they spend money on advertising their brand is none of the concern of BCCI. End of.

You are sadly mistaken on this ... there are clauses in the agreement and the $ amount paid for matches involving India is different from those that don't involve India.

Star paid $100 odd million for 3 year coverage of EPL, did Indian soccer have any say in it or a cut? Of course not. Time to tell BCCI to toe the line or sod off.

thats just a business gamble .... your point would be valid if the Amount paid by Star to cover Indian Cricket was also $100 Million for 3 yrs. You will find that amount to be much bigger.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC should just call Indian bluff.... let them cry off and play the tournament without them.

Indian TV channels and sponsors will still pay good whack. What private entities do and how they spend money on advertising their brand is none of the concern of BCCI. End of.

Star paid $100 odd million for 3 year coverage of EPL, did Indian soccer have any say in it or a cut? Of course not. Time to tell BCCI to toe the line or sod off.

Indian Tv channels dont telecast PSL?wonder why?

India doesnt have a soccer team that ranks amongst the best in the world.So AIFF hardly matters.

If you believe any Indian Tv channel or sponsor will invest in ICC if BCCI isnt there then you are mistaken.

1.Indian stars wont play and BCCI may organise a local tournament with all Indian stars so finances wont make sense.

2.It will become an issue of national pride.Already Indian media is calling this robbery of ICC againist BCCI.Good luck with finding anything in India.

We will see who toes the line and who Sods off.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

So Channels are prepared to pay $130 million for a sport that India is not good at and never plays in World Cup tourneys .....

But they won't pay good money for international tournament for a sport that is number one by a distance in India. Really? Well in that case BCCI should teach ICC a lesson then wouldn't you think? But they won't of course, they know they can't do anything to prevent private companies from spending money on what they want to.

Many posters here would do well to remember that cricket existed before the ascent of BCCI.... as unbelievable it may seem to some of you. Survival of cricket is not dependent on India, its weather it can compete with other sports for same audiences. Worst comes to it, players wont be paid as much .... just like how it used to be.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Indian Tv channels dont telecast PSL?wonder why?

India doesnt have a soccer team that ranks amongst the best in the world.So AIFF hardly matters.

If you believe any Indian Tv channel or sponsor will invest in ICC if BCCI isnt there then you are mistaken.

1.Indian stars wont play and BCCI may organise a local tournament with all Indian stars so finances wont make sense.

2.It will become an issue of national pride.Already Indian media is calling this robbery of ICC againist BCCI.Good luck with finding anything in India.

We will see who toes the line and who Sods off.

Toe the ICC line or sod off to play your year round IPL and Syed mushtaq or whatever else .....

Rest of world will manage, don't worry about it.

 

[Syed1]

Toe the ICC line or sod off to play your year round IPL and Syed mushtaq or whatever else .....

Rest of world will manage, don't worry about it.

They think cricket would come to a grinding halt if India doesn't participate

 

[cricketjoshila]

Toe the ICC line or sod off to play your year round IPL and Syed mushtaq or whatever else .....

Rest of world will manage, don't worry about it.

Line toeing is for boards which go around with a begging bowl all the time asking for series or money not for BCCI.They generate 80% of crickets revenue on which most other boards live on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Channels are prepared to pay $130 million for a sport that India is not good at and never plays in World Cup tourneys .....

But they won't pay good money for international tournament for a sport that is number one by a distance in India. Really? Well in that case BCCI should teach ICC a lesson then wouldn't you think? But they won't of course, they know they can't do anything to prevent private companies from spending money on what they want to.

Many posters here would do well to remember that cricket existed before the ascent of BCCI.... as unbelievable it may seem to some of you. Survival of cricket is not dependent on India, its weather it can compete with other sports for same audiences. Worst comes to it, players wont be paid as much .... just like how it used to be.

Private companies will pay ICC for what?Negative publicity?Considering already ICC is being portrayed as a robber trying to rob BCCI?LOL.You have no idea what ICCs image will be in case of a boycott.Virtual untouchables in India.

Why will a pvt company pay for ICC when Virat Kohli and other Indian players will be playing some place else in India?

Yea Revenues and player payments will decrease by as much as 60-70% and then they will run to play the IPL.

As i said those who control the money control the game,hard to understand for the people who dont.

 

[jagatk]

So Channels are prepared to pay $130 million for a sport that India is not good at and never plays in World Cup tourneys .....

But they won't pay good money for international tournament for a sport that is number one by a distance in India. Really? Well in that case BCCI should teach ICC a lesson then wouldn't you think? But they won't of course, they know they can't do anything to prevent private companies from spending money on what they want to.

Many posters here would do well to remember that cricket existed before the ascent of BCCI.... as unbelievable it may seem to some of you. Survival of cricket is not dependent on India, its weather it can compete with other sports for same audiences. Worst comes to it, players wont be paid as much .... just like how it used to be.

Channels pay the money because there fans who support man utd, chelsea, madrid barca etc. passionately, i myself have stayed awake till 3 in morning to watch my team's UCL matches, do you really think anyone will care about new zealand playing australia or england playing south africa beyond a cursory glance at cricinfo to check the score?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Line toeing is for boards which go around with a begging bowl all the time asking for series or money not for BCCI.They generate 80% of crickets revenue on which most other boards live on.

Isn't BCCI going around throwing tantrums for more money? If BCCI don't like it, just boycott ICC already, why are they harping and threatening incessantly and not leaving. They should use this opportunity and do rest of cricket a favour and go already with your so called 80% revenue. Don't worry about cricket elsewhere, it will be fine.

 

[sshakir411]

Nothing new here...we all know BCCI doesn't have the heart to walk out of any ICC tournament. They're going to take their chance arm-twisting smaller boards to get their way...it's the only way this will happen.

Also, I'd like some confirmation of exactly how much India contributes to ICC revenues. 80% seems way too Bollywood..and why would they offer CA and ECB a bigger proportion if they contribute less than 20% of the so called revenue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Isn't BCCI going around throwing tantrums for more money? If BCCI don't like it, just boycott ICC already, why are they harping and threatening incessantly and not leaving. They should use this opportunity and do rest of cricket a favour and go already with your so called 80% revenue. Don't worry about cricket elsewhere, it will be fine.

We are doing the rest of cricket a favour by paying their bills.BCCI will do what it wants to do,how it wants to do.Please worry about cricket in Pakistan where PCB is crying every other day because India isnt touring.Sometimes begging some times threatening of a lawsuit. Worry about cricket in Pakistan,let bigger players handle world cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing new here...we all know BCCI doesn't have the heart to walk out of any ICC tournament. They're going to take their chance arm-twisting smaller boards to get their way...it's the only way this will happen.

Also, I'd like some confirmation of exactly how much India contributes to ICC revenues. 80% seems way too Bollywood..and why would they offer CA and ECB a bigger proportion if they contribute less than 20% of the so called revenue.

Confirmation?LOL.Confirmation was given by ICC way back in 2014 when the Big 3 was passed.

Who said ECB and CA get get bigger proportion than BCCI?

BCCI gets 21% ECB 6.6% and CA 5% approximately.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

We are doing the rest of cricket a favour by paying their bills.BCCI will do what it wants to do,how it wants to do.Please worry about cricket in Pakistan where PCB is crying every other day because India isnt touring.Sometimes begging some times threatening of a lawsuit. Worry about cricket in Pakistan,let bigger players handle world cricket.

Where Pakistan comes into this discussion is little puzzling. No need to show that you are a passive aggressive little man...we already know that.

Your own bcci man is telling you that the Indian bluff won't work anymore. The situation is straight forward now, Toe the line or buzz off.... It's really that simple.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Channels pay the money because there fans who support man utd, chelsea, madrid barca etc. passionately, i myself have stayed awake till 3 in morning to watch my team's UCL matches, do you really think anyone will care about new zealand playing australia or england playing south africa beyond a cursory glance at cricinfo to check the score?

So you are telling me that there will be no interest in ICC tournaments at all by Indian companies.... that seems rather presumptuous and tad fanciful. Even if that was the case, then so be it.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

They think cricket would come to a grinding halt if India doesn't participate

Cricket clearly didn't exist before bcci got some money. How did South Africa survive during apartheid era?

Their fear is that if they actioned on their threat and cricket world managed to work a formula to get by.... they will lose face and relevance.

BCCI should grow some balls and go their own way....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where Pakistan comes into this discussion is little puzzling. No need to show that you are a passive aggressive little man...we already know that.

Your own bcci man is telling you that the Indian bluff won't work anymore. The situation is straight forward now, Toe the line or buzz off.... It's really that simple.

You said the whole cricketing world will be ok without BCCI.I am telling you that BCCI doesnt play with one board and see how that board is acting.

Vinod Rai is a temporary administrator and on top of that he isnt authorised by the SC to deal with the ICC.Vikram Limaye is and he made his views pretty well known.

As i said Toeing the line is for baords who beg around for series and funds,not for the one who generates that fund.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you are telling me that there will be no interest in ICC tournaments at all by Indian companies.... that seems rather presumptuous and tad fanciful. Even if that was the case, then so be it.

So you decide so be it and it happens?May be then for starters tell your own board to not pester BCCI for series.

LOL at So be it.

ICC tournaments may be totally blacked out in India for being an Anti Indian organisation.The govt did threaten the ICC with this in 2002 i believe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cricket clearly didn't exist before bcci got some money. How did South Africa survive during apartheid era?

Their fear is that if they actioned on their threat and cricket world managed to work a formula to get by.... they will lose face and relevance.

BCCI should grow some balls and go their own way....

Such wishful thinking that BCCI will just vanish..

SA players played in AUS/ENG in those days.Esp. County cricket helped them survive.But hose days are gone now,its India that generates the money now not ENG.And you want cricketers to live on the same kind of money they did back in 80s or mid 90s?

 

[Syed1]

So you decide so be it and it happens?May be then for starters tell your own board to not pester BCCI for series.

LOL at So be it.

ICC tournaments may be totally blacked out in India for being an Anti Indian organisation.The govt did threaten the ICC with this in 2002 i believe.

So black it out then go ahead black it out. Don't act big behind a keyboard son. Put your words to action, quit the ICC and boycott it.

Only a small person acts big under the guise of anonymity.

 

[Syed1]

Such wishful thinking that BCCI will just vanish..

SA players played in AUS/ENG in those days.Esp. County cricket helped them survive.But hose days are gone now,its India that generates the money now not ENG.And you want cricketers to live on the same kind of money they did back in 80s or mid 90s?

Didn't you just say BCCI will boycott.

So BCCI will boycott but still linger on like a bad smell??? That would be quite typical of BCCI

 

[cricketjoshila]

So black it out then go ahead black it out. Don't act big behind a keyboard son. Put your words to action, quit the ICC and boycott it.

Only a small person acts big under the guise of anonymity.

We will see what ICC can do come April and June.I can only laugh at people like you who are behaving so big because one vote in 2 decades went againist BCCI that also when people thought it was 9-1 it came out 7-3.

Regarding who is big who is small,everyone knows who runs after whom for a series.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Didn't you just say BCCI will boycott.

So BCCI will boycott but still linger on like a bad smell??? That would be quite typical of BCCI

BCCI will boycott if it has to.But long before that the boards will fall in line and the haters will be left crying again.

 

[Syed1]

BCCI will boycott if it has to.But long before that the boards will fall in line and the haters will be left crying again.

LOL we will see

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] as you're so in the know I'd like you to pass on a message to the BCCI from all cricket fans.

"The Lannisters send their regards"

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Such wishful thinking that BCCI will just vanish..

SA players played in AUS/ENG in those days.Esp. County cricket helped them survive.But hose days are gone now,its India that generates the money now not ENG.And you want cricketers to live on the same kind of money they did back in 80s or mid 90s?

No one said anything about bcci vanishing... don't let the imagination run off a cliff here...

This is a simple case of bcci bluffing and bluffing and then ultimately getting called on it by ironically by one of its own ... don't like the deal, go your own way and reshape your cricket how you wish.

County cricket still provides livelihood to lot of Saffers, infact even more so now than it did during apartheid under Kolpak. ECB doesn't need India to survive, never has and never will. Let me tell you their secret on how they survive, it's people like me who pay sky lot of subscription money every month to keep sky bidding ever more money every 4 years or so. With BT now coming on the scene, ECB is going to get a lot more money next time round.