"Gone are the days when we could threaten and get away" : New BCCI boss Vinod Rai

[cricketjoshila]

No one said anything about bcci vanishing... don't let the imagination run off a cliff here...

This is a simple case of bcci bluffing and bluffing and then ultimately getting called on it by ironically by one of its own ... don't like the deal, go your own way and reshape your cricket how you wish.

County cricket still provides livelihood to lot of Saffers, infact even more so now than it did during apartheid under Kolpak. ECB doesn't need India to survive, never has and never will. Let me tell you their secret on how they survive, it's people like me who pay sky lot of subscription money every month to keep sky bidding ever more money every 4 years or so. With BT now coming on the scene, ECB is going to get a lot more money next time round.

BCCI bluffing.BCCI almost walked out off the CT 2002 before ICC came to its knees.The sponsors had already threatened to decrease payments.The GOI ordered that no forex be released from India to ICC and so on.So i suggest you read history.What ICC is banking on that due to the current flux in BCCI they will be paralysed and wont be able to do anything.

Will Kolpak stay after Brexit???Isnt that the big question?

ECB and probably CA will survive,but surviving is not equal to flourishing.SKY makes a big chunk of money selling the overseas rights,guess from where does majority of that money comes from.

May be you can check the revenues of ECB from a years when India tours and when India doesnt tour.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] as you're so in the know I'd like you to pass on a message to the BCCI from all cricket fans.

"The Lannisters send their regards"

How will a poor guy like me know much?

I dont know who Lannister is,but he can talk to

 

[Eagle_Eye]

BCCI bluffing.BCCI almost walked out off the CT 2002 before ICC came to its knees.The sponsors had already threatened to decrease payments.The GOI ordered that no forex be released from India to ICC and so on.So i suggest you read history.What ICC is banking on that due to the current flux in BCCI they will be paralysed and wont be able to do anything.

Will Kolpak stay after Brexit???Isnt that the big question?

ECB and probably CA will survive,but surviving is not equal to flourishing.SKY makes a big chunk of money selling the overseas rights,guess from where does majority of that money comes from.

May be you can check the revenues of ECB from a years when India tours and when India doesnt tour.

No .... sky makes money from its 12 million subscribers in U.K and Ireland with annual revenue of £11 billion. Perhaps this should tell you something. It doesn't rely on little pittance it may get from India and I am not that it even does. Didn't one of your like say above that no one is interested when India is not playing.... then how come Indians are watching English matches and paying for them?

Is there a media organisation in India that has such purchasing capacity? I haven't even mentioned BT which has far far greater earnings than Sky. Most major team sports are now well funded because of this including cricket.

Do you think it's a coincidence that GB is now a major player at Olympic level... there is lot of cash in the system in sports in UK thanks to lottery and UK pay TV.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No .... sky makes money from its 12 million subscribers in U.K and Ireland with annual revenue of £11 billion. Perhaps this should tell you something. It doesn't rely on little pittance it may get from India and I am not that it even does. Didn't one of your like say above that no one is interested when India is not playing.... then how come Indians are watching English matches and paying for them?

Is there a media organisation in India that has such purchasing capacity? I haven't even mentioned BT which has far far greater earnings than Sky. Most major team sports are now well funded because of this including cricket.

Do you think it's a coincidence that GB is now a major player at Olympic level... there is lot of cash in the system in sports in UK thanks to lottery and UK pay TV.

LOL.So entire SKY revenue is from cricket.LOL.

And next time please throw around these figures to a country which is 200bn or 300bn economy not to India which is a larger economy than UK itself or at the very least the same size.Plenty of companies in India have huge purchasing power which is why the Indian Cricket rights sell at the higghest in the world and Indian cricketers make the most money and some of them make the top 100 best paid athletes.

SKY makes a healthy amount of money selling the overseas rights of english matches.And Indians pay to watch India play in UK whenever India does that.Did you check the amount of money ECB makes in a year of India tour and a year of non India tour?NZC made 35mn of one tour of India that too a short tour.


Olympics or any other sports is immaterial here,because cricket has a limited audience.

And anyway i told you that ECB will likely survive but it will take a huge hit as ICC revenues will go down by a huge number and so will SKY's overseas sellin rights numbers.But ECB will survive no doubt.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

LOL.So entire SKY revenue is from cricket.LOL.

And next time please throw around these figures to a country which is 200bn or 300bn economy not to India which is a larger economy than UK itself or at the very least the same size.Plenty of companies in India have huge purchasing power which is why the Indian Cricket rights sell at the higghest in the world and Indian cricketers make the most money and some of them make the top 100 best paid athletes.

SKY makes a healthy amount of money selling the overseas rights of english matches.And Indians pay to watch India play in UK whenever India does that.Did you check the amount of money ECB makes in a year of India tour and a year of non India tour?NZC made 35mn of one tour of India that too a short tour.


Olympics or any other sports is immaterial here,because cricket has a limited audience.

And anyway i told you that ECB will likely survive but it will take a huge hit as ICC revenues will go down by a huge number and so will SKY's overseas sellin rights numbers.But ECB will survive no doubt.

Read the first line of my post..... I said 12 million subscribers, I never said anything about revenue from cricket... go read it again and comprehend it and stop making stuff up.

You avoided the question.... which media company in India has annual turn over of £11bn? If there isn't any just say no there isn't any rather than blow air about GDP etc...

Before you or the other deluded poster said that when India is not playing .... Indians don't watch and no one will pay. Now you say Indians watch and Indian companies pay good money for overseas rights. Well then I am right then, Indian companies will still pay good whack, just call bcci bluff and tell them to toe the line or else hop it. manohar clearly knows what he is doing.

 

[jagatk]

Read the first line of my post..... I said 12 million subscribers, I never said anything about revenue from cricket... go read it again and comprehend it and stop making stuff up.

You avoided the question.... which media company in India has annual turn over of £11bn? If there isn't any just say no there isn't any rather than blow air about GDP etc...

Before you or the other deluded poster said that when India is not playing .... Indians don't watch and no one will pay. Now you say Indians watch and Indian companies pay good money for overseas rights. Well then I am right then, Indian companies will still pay good whack, just call bcci bluff and tell them to toe the line or else hop it. manohar clearly knows what he is doing.

It is funny you call others delusional when you are the one quoting epl to prove a non existent point, pls tell us how many of the 11 bn come from cricket, because very little if any comes from cricket, cricket in England is losing popularity very few care about cricket outside of ashes. You like it or not come April bcci will have got wicb, bcb, zlc and slc to side with it which means either the proposals will not pass or they will have to make enough concessions for bcci to also back it.

 

[Thivagar]

Private companies will pay ICC for what?Negative publicity?Considering already ICC is being portrayed as a robber trying to rob BCCI?LOL.You have no idea what ICCs image will be in case of a boycott.Virtual untouchables in India.

Why will a pvt company pay for ICC when Virat Kohli and other Indian players will be playing some place else in India?

Yea Revenues and player payments will decrease by as much as 60-70% and then they will run to play the IPL.

As i said those who control the money control the game,hard to understand for the people who dont.

1. You still haven't provided any evidence to 80% of revenue being generated in India.

2. It is the BCCI that is being viewed as a villain, you are deluded to think otherwise.

3. Apart from West Indies and retired cricketers, no other cricketer will run away and play in IPL. You think players will risk the ban by their board and seek chance to play as one of 4 players ?

4. You think Indian players will be happy playing in IPL and Ranjitrophy without any international matches?

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. You still haven't provided any evidence to 80% of revenue being generated in India.

2. It is the BCCI that is being viewed as a villain, you are deluded to think otherwise.

3. Apart from West Indies and retired cricketers, no other cricketer will run away and play in IPL. You think players will risk the ban by their board and seek chance to play as one of 4 players ?

4. You think Indian players will be happy playing in IPL and Ranjitrophy without any international matches?

1.The ICC provided the evidence to all members during Big 3.It was announced.Or does it not matter.

2.Lol.Read Indian media.Most of them are supporting the Bcci in this with few calling it a plunder.It will not matter to the GOI what anyone else says if they intervene.They have intervened in the past as well.ICC is being portrayed as a villain with even racist connotations thrown in.A 2002 like scenario cant be ruled out.BCCI may be a villain in the eyes of PP,in the current scenario the bcci is getting support in India.

3.We know what happened in WSC and ICL.This will be many times bigger.And atleast 5 to 6 countries will be very careful of banning anything Indian because of the huge political fall out of it.Very powerful people run the BCCI people who can even force the hand of the PM.

4.You think ICC will be able to stop its members from playing againist India?


The matter is simple BCCI had internal discussions when Manohar was about to become Chairman that they will take a 50mn USD cut and will be happy to have 400mn as its share.Manohar was ofcourse part of that discussion.But Manohar the snake he is saw an oppurtunity to cement his place in the ICC for a long time and proposed drastic cuts.

The oppurtunity was also taken by couple of boards to try and cut the BCCIs economic clout by making leagues of ODI n Tests.This means that there will be little time for IPL and BCCI will be forced to tour every nation atleast once in 4 years or lose points.Thereby taking away BCCIs ability to schedule tours and help the boards that are Pro BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read the first line of my post..... I said 12 million subscribers, I never said anything about revenue from cricket... go read it again and comprehend it and stop making stuff up.

You avoided the question.... which media company in India has annual turn over of £11bn? If there isn't any just say no there isn't any rather than blow air about GDP etc...

Before you or the other deluded poster said that when India is not playing .... Indians don't watch and no one will pay. Now you say Indians watch and Indian companies pay good money for overseas rights. Well then I am right then, Indian companies will still pay good whack, just call bcci bluff and tell them to toe the line or else hop it. manohar clearly knows what he is doing.

1.12mn subscribers means zilch.What will matter is how many are cricket watchers.That will decide how much money SKY puts into cricket.

2.Majority Shareholder of SKY and STAR India are the same.LoL.Let me enlighten you further 14 companies officially showed interest in bidding for the IPL rights in OCT 16(.Guess what SKY and BT were among them.Other companies included Facebook Twitter Amazon and group M.So Indian media rights are not only a local thing.Btw Sony paid in excess of 1bn USD for IPL rights way back in 2008.When was the last time anyone paid 1bn usd for any cricket right?

3.Indians watch when India plays.Like when India played in 2014 in England.Indian companies will pay a pittance if Indians dont play.As i said toeing the line is for beggars not the ones who generate the money.Manohar is trying his best to do things when BCCI is in a flux.He sighted the right oppurtunity.Thats for sure.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

1.The ICC provided the evidence to all members during Big 3.It was announced.Or does it not matter.

2.Lol.Read Indian media.Most of them are supporting the Bcci in this with few calling it a plunder.It will not matter to the GOI what anyone else says if they intervene.They have intervened in the past as well.ICC is being portrayed as a villain with even racist connotations thrown in.A 2002 like scenario cant be ruled out.BCCI may be a villain in the eyes of PP,in the current scenario the bcci is getting support in India.

3.We know what happened in WSC and ICL.This will be many times bigger.And atleast 5 to 6 countries will be very careful of banning anything Indian because of the huge political fall out of it.Very powerful people run the BCCI people who can even force the hand of the PM.

4.You think ICC will be able to stop its members from playing againist India?


The matter is simple BCCI had internal discussions when Manohar was about to become Chairman that they will take a 50mn USD cut and will be happy to have 400mn as its share.Manohar was ofcourse part of that discussion.But Manohar the snake he is saw an oppurtunity to cement his place in the ICC for a long time and proposed drastic cuts.

The oppurtunity was also taken by couple of boards to try and cut the BCCIs economic clout by making leagues of ODI n Tests.This means that there will be little time for IPL and BCCI will be forced to tour every nation atleast once in 4 years or lose points.Thereby taking away BCCIs ability to schedule tours and help the boards that are Pro BCCI.

What you're forgetting is

1) According to the most popular cricket website, no evidence was ever provided. The Big 3 provided lots of charts and graphs showing the revenue inputs but they never once backed that up with solid evidence and figures, you can check yourself if you don't believe me, I can't post the link here

2) Of course the most nationalistic people on earth wlll side with the BCCI, what has that got to do with anything lol. And throwing in racial connotations just shows the lack of evidence or substance your Indian media even has, when without evidence = pull the race card. Oldest trick in the book.

3) Thats total nonsense. As if any self respecting and non joke of a country will let a cricket league interfere with political relations and matters of a country lol. You mean to say India will cancel or hinder trade deals and the like with NZ.SA.Aus,England etc etc over a cricket league? Lol man come on.

4) Yes they can try, whether it would work or not we'd have to wait and see but if the BCCI keep threatening it and do decide to pull out the ICC are more than within their rights to declare all BCCI tournaments and events to be invalid in their eyes and ban all players from participating. We'd then wait and see how it'd play out.

Your last paragraph is basically saying " We won't be able to bully and maniuplate the cricket world to our favour" which benefits everybody bar the BCCI. Also the "pro BCCI" boards will still receive 2 Indian series every 4 years, not including additional ones they can also schedule outside the cycle. And the IPL lasts two months, India can easily host an IPL and complete its league fixtures

 

[cricketjoshila]

What you're forgetting is

1) According to the most popular cricket website, no evidence was ever provided. The Big 3 provided lots of charts and graphs showing the revenue inputs but they never once backed that up with solid evidence and figures, you can check yourself if you don't believe me, I can't post the link here

2) Of course the most nationalistic people on earth wlll side with the BCCI, what has that got to do with anything lol. And throwing in racial connotations just shows the lack of evidence or substance your Indian media even has, when without evidence = pull the race card. Oldest trick in the book.

3) Thats total nonsense. As if any self respecting and non joke of a country will let a cricket league interfere with political relations and matters of a country lol. You mean to say India will cancel or hinder trade deals and the like with NZ.SA.Aus,England etc etc over a cricket league? Lol man come on.

4) Yes they can try, whether it would work or not we'd have to wait and see but if the BCCI keep threatening it and do decide to pull out the ICC are more than within their rights to declare all BCCI tournaments and events to be invalid in their eyes and ban all players from participating. We'd then wait and see how it'd play out.

Your last paragraph is basically saying " We won't be able to bully and maniuplate the cricket world to our favour" which benefits everybody bar the BCCI. Also the "pro BCCI" boards will still receive 2 Indian series every 4 years, not including additional ones they can also schedule outside the cycle. And the IPL lasts two months, India can easily host an IPL and complete its league fixtures

1.So all boards took the figures on face value and said nothing.They could have simply told the BCCI that you dont bring that much revenue so just eff off.They didnt because they know the truth.

2.You have a problem with Indians being nationalistic.Well deal with it!Yes there are racist connotations when BCCIs share is halved while ECB loses 1 percent and CA loses nothing.Thats evidence enough.

3.I can give you 3 instances where the Parliament of India discussed and the govt was asked to interfere in matters of cricket.The prime being 2002 CT.Indian govt threatened to block all forex to ICC.Also BCCI is a recognised sports body by the GOI and if any country or organisation bans BCCI then ofcourse there will be repurrcussions.Not to forget the number of high ranking politicians involved in BCCI.

4.The members participation agreement signed by BCCI gives them the right to withdraw if its interests are not looked after.Thats a legal document.Good Luck banning the BCCI at ICC.That will require a 8-2 vote.Something even this "in principle" vote didnt get.Ban the BCCI.LOL.

5.If someone is good to us why wont we help them financially?This is another place where the govt will intervene.ICC forcing BCCI to play Pakistan.

There wont be time for IPL if India has to tour 13 nations for Tests or ODIs that also scheduled by the ICC.

 

[sshakir411]

Confirmation?LOL.Confirmation was given by ICC way back in 2014 when the Big 3 was passed.

Who said ECB and CA get get bigger proportion than BCCI?

BCCI gets 21% ECB 6.6% and CA 5% approximately.

I've been trying to find anything that would give me the numbers you mention...still looking. But I'll get back to this if/when I find it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I've been trying to find anything that would give me the numbers you mention...still looking. But I'll get back to this if/when I find it.

The above percentage numbers are easily available if you google.

Regarding the 80% figure it was given by ICC to all members in 2014.

 

[sshakir411]

The above percentage numbers are easily available if you google.

Regarding the 80% figure it was given by ICC to all members in 2014.

so this is the best I've found...and it says 80% (estimated) is 'value contribution' and not revenue and that no supporting evidence of this has ever been shared.

"The draft document states that during the last ICC media rights and sponsorship process, the "value contribution" of India was over 80% while the contribution of other Full Members ranged from 0.1% to 5%. There is no supporting evidence of this estimate available in the document, but the working paper states that "calculations have been worked on and negotiated by BCCI, CA and ECB. Agreed principles are sound and breakup between categories appropriate."

and just FYI this was written by 2 credible Indians over at ESPN.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so this is the best I've found...and it says 80% (estimated) is 'value contribution' and not revenue and that no supporting evidence of this has ever been shared.

"The draft document states that during the last ICC media rights and sponsorship process, the "value contribution" of India was over 80% while the contribution of other Full Members ranged from 0.1% to 5%. There is no supporting evidence of this estimate available in the document, but the working paper states that "calculations have been worked on and negotiated by BCCI, CA and ECB. Agreed principles are sound and breakup between categories appropriate."

and just FYI this was written by 2 credible Indians over at ESPN.

So India's Value Contribution was 80%.A figure that rest of the members agreed with.If its a lie why didnt they object?Should have asked BCCI that their contribution isnt 80% and they should just eff off.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

1.12mn subscribers means zilch.What will matter is how many are cricket watchers.That will decide how much money SKY puts into cricket.

2.Majority Shareholder of SKY and STAR India are the same.LoL.Let me enlighten you further 14 companies officially showed interest in bidding for the IPL rights in OCT 16(.Guess what SKY and BT were among them.Other companies included Facebook Twitter Amazon and group M.So Indian media rights are not only a local thing.Btw Sony paid in excess of 1bn USD for IPL rights way back in 2008.When was the last time anyone paid 1bn usd for any cricket right?

3.Indians watch when India plays.Like when India played in 2014 in England.Indian companies will pay a pittance if Indians dont play.As i said toeing the line is for beggars not the ones who generate the money.Manohar is trying his best to do things when BCCI is in a flux.He sighted the right oppurtunity.Thats for sure.

1. Stop waffling, I said right at the outset, it's sky subscribers. It was you trying to portray as if ECB needs India. So you go round in circles in the end only to prove my point that it's all down to sky subscribers like me.

2. I asked a very simple question which requires a simple answer. Which media company in India has £11 billion revenue per year? Don't let your nationalistic ego get in the way if there isn't any. I know who who owns what of sky by the way.

3. You and your like said that Indians won't watch when they don't play, but they do otherwise they won't pay for English matches. So it's established that they do and will pay. Again, we go round in circles only to prove my point at the end.

4. I am saying is that you don't like the sharing agreement, go on your own and keep all the money for yourself and your lackies....

 

[Tusker]

Do people honestly believe that India does not contribute the majority of $$ ?

 

[sshakir411]

So India's Value Contribution was 80%.A figure that rest of the members agreed with.If its a lie why didnt they object?Should have asked BCCI that their contribution isnt 80% and they should just eff off.

why are you losing your shi*? Firstly, you claimed it was revenue which is not even close to 'value contribution'...don't forget the value part because it shows India does not contribute that much but rather has some value that can be unlocked. I don't have any issue with BCCI getting the biggest chunk but to think ICC or cricket won't survive without the Indians is delusional. BCCI just makes the overall pie bigger. The cricketing world is pretty much saying eff off to BCCI in a polite way...and BCCI responds with "we will pull out of CT"....bhai, go do it..no one really cares. The rest of the boards also tried to tell BCCI this back in 2014 and were either silenced by being offered token series with India or misled. This is the behavior all normal cricket fans dislike because it clearly hampers sustainability or growth.

I don't care about your nationalism but this is the unhealthiest way of running any global sports and pretty petty if you ask me. If BCCI and fans like you can get their heads out of their rear you will see that India can actually play a pivotal role in making cricket better, across the globe. We are cricket fans before and this attitude of BCCI ruins it for everyone. Perhaps you guys should play among yourselves and keep all that you make...why screw the entire sport and the other boards by arm-twisting them to do what BCCI wants.

 

[cricketjoshila]

why are you losing your shi*? Firstly, you claimed it was revenue which is not even close to 'value contribution'...don't forget the value part because it shows India does not contribute that much but rather has some value that can be unlocked. I don't have any issue with BCCI getting the biggest chunk but to think ICC or cricket won't survive without the Indians is delusional. BCCI just makes the overall pie bigger. The cricketing world is pretty much saying eff off to BCCI in a polite way...and BCCI responds with "we will pull out of CT"....bhai, go do it..no one really cares. The rest of the boards also tried to tell BCCI this back in 2014 and were either silenced by being offered token series with India or misled. This is the behavior all normal cricket fans dislike because it clearly hampers sustainability or growth.

I don't care about your nationalism but this is the unhealthiest way of running any global sports and pretty petty if you ask me. If BCCI and fans like you can get their heads out of their rear you will see that India can actually play a pivotal role in making cricket better, across the globe. We are cricket fans before and this attitude of BCCI ruins it for everyone. Perhaps you guys should play among yourselves and keep all that you make...why screw the entire sport and the other boards by arm-twisting them to do what BCCI wants.

The value of Indian contribution to the whole revenue is 80%.We will see who is saying eff off and who does what when votes actually take place.

Its laughable when a Pakistani fan says BCCI should pull out and no one cares when PCB is running around BCCI to get a series.Seems they care.

When someone contributes more he deserves to get more thats fair distribution.

BCCI's job is to run Indian cricket and look after the interests of Indian cricket.If some other boards are inefficient and corrupt and cant maintain themselves BCCI should not be paying their bills.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Stop waffling, I said right at the outset, it's sky subscribers. It was you trying to portray as if ECB needs India. So you go round in circles in the end only to prove my point that it's all down to sky subscribers like me.

2. I asked a very simple question which requires a simple answer. Which media company in India has £11 billion revenue per year? Don't let your nationalistic ego get in the way if there isn't any. I know who who owns what of sky by the way.

3. You and your like said that Indians won't watch when they don't play, but they do otherwise they won't pay for English matches. So it's established that they do and will pay. Again, we go round in circles only to prove my point at the end.

4. I am saying is that you don't like the sharing agreement, go on your own and keep all the money for yourself and your lackies....

1.So if ECB isnt worried about Indian market why were they so worried that the Indian market now has 2 major players from 3 and how they may not get higher bids and mooted the idea of pooled overseas rights with CA and CSA?

2.All Indian Media companies are not listed and their revenues not public.Also Indian cricket is not a localised event it invites interest from global giants like Amazon,FB,Twitter,GroupM,BT and your dear SKY as well.
So if the parent of SKY and STAR are the same how does it matter what is whose revenue?

4.They pay for Eng vs India matches held in England.How difficult is it to understand that.Because India is also playing in those matches.

5.I am saying that those who bring the bulk of the money decide what the sharing should be.Not people who are subsidised.

 

[sshakir411]

The value of Indian contribution to the whole revenue is 80%.We will see who is saying eff off and who does what when votes actually take place.

Its laughable when a Pakistani fan says BCCI should pull out and no one cares when PCB is running around BCCI to get a series.Seems they care.

When someone contributes more he deserves to get more thats fair distribution.

BCCI's job is to run Indian cricket and look after the interests of Indian cricket.If some other boards are inefficient and corrupt and cant maintain themselves BCCI should not be paying their bills.

LOL. Are you sure you're not suffering from mental disorder? Do you not understand what you read? Where did Pakistan or PCB come in all this? How does any of what you responded with is actually relevant to my post?

And please read up on what value contribution is since it seems like you're stuck on that 80%.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL. Are you sure you're not suffering from mental disorder? Do you not understand what you read? Where did Pakistan or PCB come in all this? How does any of what you responded with is actually relevant to my post?

And please read up on what value contribution is since it seems like you're stuck on that 80%.

I know what value contribution is.Please read yourself.

When Pakistani fans say BCCI should walk off and no one cares,they should be told how much their country's own board cares for a series from BCCI.

Now if you can post without making any personal insults go ahead.

 

[sshakir411]

I know what value contribution is.Please read yourself.

When Pakistani fans say BCCI should walk off and no one cares,they should be told how much their country's own board cares for a series from BCCI.

Now if you can post without making any personal insults go ahead.

you either don't understand or seem to skip over the fact that because of this model a series with India is required for every board. Can you at least accept the fact that this is detrimental to the sport? Or are you going to say you don't care....because it serves BCCI's interest which is India. All I'm trying to say is this model can be improved so BCCI and Indian cricket fans don't have to deal with PCB at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

you either don't understand or seem to skip over the fact that because of this model a series with India is required for every board. Can you at least accept the fact that this is detrimental to the sport? Or are you going to say you don't care....because it serves BCCI's interest which is India. All I'm trying to say is this model can be improved so BCCI and Indian cricket fans don't have to deal with PCB at all.

See i believe that BCCI should get a fair share from ICC.If people think 20% is too high fine,negotiate it.But in under no circumstance BCCI should get 10%(down from 18-20%) while ECB gets 5%(Down from 6%) and CA gets 4.5%(no change from previous model).

Btw this isnt the only "reform" that is being pushed and being opposed by BCCI.

 

[Thivagar]

1.The ICC provided the evidence to all members during Big 3.It was announced.Or does it not matter.

2.Lol.Read Indian media.Most of them are supporting the Bcci in this with few calling it a plunder.It will not matter to the GOI what anyone else says if they intervene.They have intervened in the past as well.ICC is being portrayed as a villain with even racist connotations thrown in.A 2002 like scenario cant be ruled out.BCCI may be a villain in the eyes of PP,in the current scenario the bcci is getting support in India.

3.We know what happened in WSC and ICL.This will be many times bigger.And atleast 5 to 6 countries will be very careful of banning anything Indian because of the huge political fall out of it.Very powerful people run the BCCI people who can even force the hand of the PM.

4.You think ICC will be able to stop its members from playing againist India?


The matter is simple BCCI had internal discussions when Manohar was about to become Chairman that they will take a 50mn USD cut and will be happy to have 400mn as its share.Manohar was ofcourse part of that discussion.But Manohar the snake he is saw an oppurtunity to cement his place in the ICC for a long time and proposed drastic cuts.

The oppurtunity was also taken by couple of boards to try and cut the BCCIs economic clout by making leagues of ODI n Tests.This means that there will be little time for IPL and BCCI will be forced to tour every nation atleast once in 4 years or lose points.Thereby taking away BCCIs ability to schedule tours and help the boards that are Pro BCCI.

1. Nope, still no proof. You are lying.

2. LOL subcontinental media is the worst, USA government has to pay media outlets in order to be biased and not to question government's action but due to jingoism in India and rest of the sub continent countries, governments don't need to do that. Look at how the international media is portraying BCCI, not the Indian media. Indian media is trash, you yourself know that. BCCI has been the villain to the neutral eyes for for about couple of years now.

3. LMAOOO trade deals ? Political fall out ? Are you even listening to yourself ? You are living in some lala land lol. Like I said, you may get the likes of Chris Gayle, Pollard and few West Indian players and maybe some retired players from England, and that's that lol.


4. Manohar is a snake, and BCCI is wholesome. I agree.

 

[gani999]

India still gets a lion's share of the proceeds in the new arranagement, albeit much reduced than before.

The worst hit has been Australia. They are going to be getting as much as the West Indies and Bangladesh . What exactly was the ICC smoking?

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Nope, still no proof. You are lying.

2. LOL subcontinental media is the worst, USA government has to pay media outlets in order to be biased and not to question government's action but due to jingoism in India and rest of the sub continent countries, governments don't need to do that. Look at how the international media is portraying BCCI, not the Indian media. Indian media is trash, you yourself know that. BCCI has been the villain to the neutral eyes for for about couple of years now.

3. LMAOOO trade deals ? Political fall out ? Are you even listening to yourself ? You are living in some lala land lol. Like I said, you may get the likes of Chris Gayle, Pollard and few West Indian players and maybe some retired players from England, and that's that lol.

4. Manohar is a snake, and BCCI is wholesome. I agree.

1.If i am lying then ICC is lying as well.Because they also said the same in 2014.But since thats only your opinion vs ICC's i guess we know which is official.

2.Why would BCCI or Indian govt or Indian sponsors or Indian people care about "Neutral" media?LOL.

3.I am living in Lala Land.Go read the number of times the courts have heard and discussed and asked the govt to intervene in international matters of Indian cricket.The most significant one was in 2002 againist the ICC.Then again you have little knowledge of these things.LOL.You will not decide who will play in the IPL and who will not.Lankans will be the first to come so will be the Saffers only the English and may be the Aussies will hold off.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=142737]Drreddymd[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=83349]R0H1T[/MENTION] [MENTION=132605]battler[/MENTION] [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] [MENTION=138793]aniket1911[/MENTION] [MENTION=141165]jagatk[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

Seems our friends here dont know what happened when the last time ICC threatened BCCI and Indian players with a ban or punishment.

This Happened.Let them be reminded.

http://www.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

They seem to be wanting a repeat of this.

 

[Balthazar]

Seems our friends here dont know what happened when the last time ICC threatened BCCI and Indian players with a ban or punishment.

This Happened.Let them be reminded.

http://www.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

They seem to be wanting a repeat of this.

So 80% is not just today's news, its been the case from 2003 itself. ICC is just one weak pathetic body who have been surviving on BCCIs handouts till now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So 80% is not just today's news, its been the case from 2003 itself. ICC is just one weak pathetic body who have been surviving on BCCIs handouts till now.

Back then out of ICCs 550mn revenue,280mn was supposed to be based on India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/123181.html

 

[R0H1T]

Back then out of ICCs 550mn revenue,280mn was supposed to be based on India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/123181.html

It doesn't matter what anyone here or at ECB, CA thinks. The bosses at BCCI will decide how the new revenue share goes, there was never this big 3 just the big one & the ICC will do well to remember that. Of course in the end it boils down to how much leeway we give these people at ICC, we as in the ones who run BCCI. This Manohar is also turning out to be quite a trojan horse, making that Nagpur pitch in 2004 just because he didn't like Dalmiya(?) & now this, a pathetic excuse of an Indian he is.

 

[Tusker]

[MENTION=142737]Drreddymd[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=83349]R0H1T[/MENTION] [MENTION=132605]battler[/MENTION] [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] [MENTION=138793]aniket1911[/MENTION] [MENTION=141165]jagatk[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

Seems our friends here dont know what happened when the last time ICC threatened BCCI and Indian players with a ban or punishment.

This Happened.Let them be reminded.

http://www.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

They seem to be wanting a repeat of this.

I love how you single handedly take on posters who hate the BCCI for obvious reasons. But believe me they will all be secretly wishing their Cricket Boards were as powerful and rich as India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I love how you single handedly take on posters who hate the BCCI for obvious reasons. But believe me they will all be secretly wishing their Cricket Boards were as powerful and rich as India.

You cannot sit and eat Biryani and be rich and powerful.You have to work for it.Right now the CA and ECB is desperately trying to get back their power in ICC and cut BCCI down.

1.They are implementing this new revenue sharing method where by CA and ECB get to keep most of what they got in Big 3 while they take away BCCI's share and give it to the other boards to buy their votes.

2.They implement the league system so that BCCI is forced to tour all the countries and the ICC will decide how many matches will be played and when and they can punish the BCCI for not touring.This will take away BCCI's power to schedule tours to countries that support BCCI and reward them.


This is nothing but a political powerplay by ECB/CA to get back their power in ICC.

 

[Tusker]

You cannot sit and eat Biryani and be rich and powerful.You have to work for it.Right now the CA and ECB is desperately trying to get back their power in ICC and cut BCCI down.

1.They are implementing this new revenue sharing method where by CA and ECB get to keep most of what they got in Big 3 while they take away BCCI's share and give it to the other boards to buy their votes.

2.They implement the league system so that BCCI is forced to tour all the countries and the ICC will decide how many matches will be played and when and they can punish the BCCI for not touring.This will take away BCCI's power to schedule tours to countries that support BCCI and reward them.


This is nothing but a political powerplay by ECB/CA to get back their power in ICC.

Thats very obvious but can't help but notice that the ICC Head is an ex-BCCI head. Whats your take on Manohar ? Is this guy really inept , naive or has an axe to grind ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thats very obvious but can't help but notice that the ICC Head is an ex-BCCI head. Whats your take on Manohar ? Is this guy really inept , naive or has an axe to grind ?

He is simply buying his votes to stay on at ICC for as long as he can.

 

[R0H1T]

Thats very obvious but can't help but notice that the ICC Head is an ex-BCCI head. Whats your take on Manohar ? Is this guy really inept , naive or has an axe to grind ?

All of the above?

 

[Tusker]

He is simply buying his votes to stay on at ICC for as long as he can.

There is only so many yrs one can be a ICC President ... I think there is something more to it than what meets the eye. Can't rule out Sharad Pawars hand behind the scenes .... or maybe Iam over-reacting. Not sure.

 

[jagatk]

There is only so many yrs one can be a ICC President ... I think there is something more to it than what meets the eye. Can't rule out Sharad Pawars hand behind the scenes .... or maybe Iam over-reacting. Not sure.

With pawar one can't predict anything, but if it is pawar, i suspect icc will back down soon, losing money won't help anybody.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is only so many yrs one can be a ICC President ... I think there is something more to it than what meets the eye. Can't rule out Sharad Pawars hand behind the scenes .... or maybe Iam over-reacting. Not sure.

If he can manipulate boards into voting againist BCCI he can surely manipulate them to hold onto his post.The new revenue system does away with fixed budge of ICC expenditure.Now ICC can increase their expenditure at will and take away the extra money from the share of any country or all the countries or a few countries or adjust the revenue sharing as they deem fit.So Manohar now controls the ICC coffers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Back then out of ICCs 550mn revenue,280mn was supposed to be based on India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/123181.html

[MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION]

Go through this.This from 2002.Even then around 50% of ICC revenues depended on Indian viewership.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Toe the ICC line or sod off to play your year round IPL and Syed mushtaq or whatever else .....

Rest of world will manage, don't worry about it.

You were saying?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Masterfully played by the CoA.Lull them into a sense of security and then strike.

Lets see what happens in the April vote

 

[saeed5646]

thanks God BCCi cannot blackmail or bully PCB just like they do bangladesh and srilanka

 

[USofA]

thanks God BCCi cannot blackmail or bully PCB just like they do bangladesh and srilanka

Only because they don't play each other. If there were regular series ongoing, then I am sure the PCB would not hesitate for a second to side with the BCCI.

 

[saeed5646]

Only because they don't play each other. If there were regular series ongoing, then I am sure the PCB would not hesitate for a second to side with the BCCI.

every one is selfish if there was something in return for Pakistan then why not but i am happy where we are

and glad we are surviving without bcci and can talk to them eye to eye