Government to issue ID cards, passports to Bengali and Afghan refugees born in Pakistan

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In major, marked policy change, Pakistani PM Khan says will grant citizenship to all Afghan and Bengali refugees who have been born in Pakistan.</p>— Asad Hashim (@AsadHashim) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsadHashim/status/1041391592815448065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced that the government will issue national identity cards and passports to immigrants from Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

He announced this while addressing a fundraising event for dam construction during his first official visit to Karachi on Sunday.

The PM said that the identity crisis of thousands of Bengali and Afghan immigrants is pushing them to crime.

“Terrorism and target killing has declined in Karachi but there is a major reason behind the street crimes. It is an underclass. They are illiterate and jobless. They are the Bengalis and Afghans who are living in Pakistan.”

“These immigrants have lived here for decades, their children were born here, but they don't have identity cards and passports,” he said.

The people of this deprived class can’t get jobs without ID cards and passports, so our government has decided to issue them computerised national identity cards and passports, Khan said.

There are around two million Bengali and Burmese migrants in Pakistan. They either do not possess ID cards or their cards have been revoked on suspicion of being illegal immigrants.

Pakistan also hosts 1.5million registered Afghan refugees in different provinces and Azad Kashmir.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/09/bengali-afghan-migrants-to-get-id-cards-passports-pm/

 

[blackanhyellow]

This is a huge mistake.

 

[Slim]

Poor decision. I am not anti immigration but Pakistan does not have any immigration policy to start with. Afghanis openly hate Pakistan spread terrorism, are involved in criminal activites and i am including those who are refugees in Pakistan. Instead of sending them back the nincompoops have decided to bring them in the fold.

Isnt it funny and two sided from the PTI government considering they banned the entry of Afghanis in Peshawar for couple of days due to Muharram.

Deep down that shows how much of a security threat Afghanis are and yet they make such mistakes.

Why not have a refferendum on this and see what the public wants?

 

[PakLFC]

Bad decision. Many of these people are openly anti-Pak in cahoots with enemy nations. IK should stop being so hasty here.

 

[enkidu_]

Excellent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is required by law. Nothing extraordinary except that the Government of Pakistan will finally be implementing its own laws.<a href="https://t.co/xEZg7DAW5S">https://t.co/xEZg7DAW5S</a></p>— Haider Imtiaz (@mhaiderimtiaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/mhaiderimtiaz/status/1041427276146135041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The naturalization of second generation Afghan refuges has been a consistent demand of the ANP. We will make sure that the Govt does not take any u-turns on this decision. Those who are born in this country are as Pakistani as one can be.<a href="https://twitter.com/AimalWali?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AimalWali</a> <a href="https://t.co/v0f9NaFKux">https://t.co/v0f9NaFKux</a></p>— Awami National Party (@ANPMarkaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANPMarkaz/status/1041407947753107456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Slim]

Excellent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is required by law. Nothing extraordinary except that the Government of Pakistan will finally be implementing its own laws.<a href="https://t.co/xEZg7DAW5S">https://t.co/xEZg7DAW5S</a></p>— Haider Imtiaz (@mhaiderimtiaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/mhaiderimtiaz/status/1041427276146135041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The naturalization of second generation Afghan refuges has been a consistent demand of the ANP. We will make sure that the Govt does not take any u-turns on this decision. Those who are born in this country are as Pakistani as one can be.<a href="https://twitter.com/AimalWali?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AimalWali</a> <a href="https://t.co/v0f9NaFKux">https://t.co/v0f9NaFKux</a></p>— Awami National Party (@ANPMarkaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANPMarkaz/status/1041407947753107456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The fact that ANP, the party of traitors is siding with it is a big enough reason in itself to speak against this rubbish decision. Who has given him this mandate? I hope the parliament rejects this or someone puts a stay order in supreme court

 

[Kroll]

Surely they must have thought it through before coming up with the decision? Perhaps, the decision will alleviate some of the problems (alleged) brought up here. I'm reluctant to generalise and start talking like the AfD or that Viktor Orban dude from Hungary.

 

[Slim]

Surely they must have thought it through before coming up with the decision? Perhaps, the decision will alleviate some of the problems (alleged) brought up here. I'm reluctant to generalise and start talking like the AfD or that Viktor Orban dude from Hungary.

It could be that his taliban khan side is leaking.

I would regret my vote if this thing goes through.

 

[Pakistanian]

This is a good gesture. Pakistan should be proud that it is among few other countries (American and Canada) that grant birthright citizenship. Anybody on Pakistani land is a son of the soil.

That said, those Afghan refugees that were born in Afghanistan should only get citizenship after a naturalization test and an oath of allegiance - which is the standard in every democratic country.

 

[Saeed]

Feels great to hear about this decision, at least Pakistani government did something good for once.

 

[Pakistanian]

Preference should be given to Hazaras, they're stateless people and Afghans hate them.

 

[enkidu_]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM announced issuance of ID cards to Bangali, Bihari and Afghani brothers and sisters, who r now Pakistani while third generation seeks nationality. NADRA should act immediately, I will personally make sure it is implemented.</p>— Imran Ismail (@ImranIsmailPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranIsmailPTI/status/1041416851249496064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Eagle_Eye]

what is the pressing need for this?

Ok Afghans I can understand but Bengali immigrants? Shouldn't they actually be sending Bengalis back and bringing the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh to Pakistan.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Good decision well done! Should have been done long time back.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Makes me sick when someone insults Afghani Kids to go back to their country. Have witnessed it multiple times.

 

[Gollum]

Good decision. It's in Pakistani constitution for everyone born in Pakistan to gain Pakistani citizenship. The government is only enforcing it.

 

[hussain.r97]

This is great, and there is nothing outrageous about it. The constitution of Pakistan requires that anyone born in Pakistan should be granted citizenship, and thus, the ones born in Pakistan are not counted as refugees.

Yes, those who were not born in Pakistan (refugees) should not be granted citizenship, and PTI need to remember that they promised Akhtar Mengal to send Afghan refugees back to Afghanistan.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Respect for PTI. Especially for Bengali refugees.

 

[slipcatch]

The fact that ANP, the party of traitors is siding with it is a big enough reason in itself to speak against this rubbish decision. Who has given him this mandate? I hope the parliament rejects this or someone puts a stay order in supreme court

Just because some idiot also endorses a valid and required decision shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss it.

 

[Slim]

Yahan par loagun kei pass khanay ko paisay nahi hain and they want to include Afghans in the population who will later on only back stab Pakistan and will be easy target as moles for the foreign agencies.

The same Afghans after getting nationality will committ terrorism in the West with a Pakistani passport and it will be us that will face the burn.

Imran Khan never said anything of that sort before the elections so why is he decieving the whole nation now? I wouldnt have voted for him had i known he is going to pull this rubbish.

For those who dont know, he also sent 40,000 tonnes wheat to Afghanistan when the people in his own country are dying of hunger. To the same Afghanis that dont accept the Durand Line, that dream of capturing Pakistan's north, call majority of Pakistan's population as daal khors, committ terrorism in Pakistan including killing children such as APS, and regularly attack our forces on torkham.

Afghanis have repeatedly shown that they are a devoted to India and will work against Pakistan if ever given the opportunity.

We voted for taliban khan to protect Pakistanis. Not to protect Afghanis.

 

[hussain.r97]

Yahan par loagun kei pass khanay ko paisay nahi hain and they want to include Afghans in the population who will later on only back stab Pakistan and will be easy target as moles for the foreign agencies.

The same Afghans after getting nationality will committ terrorism in the West with a Pakistani passport and it will be us that will face the burn.

Imran Khan never said anything of that sort before the elections so why is he decieving the whole nation now? I wouldnt have voted for him had i known he is going to pull this rubbish.

For those who dont know, he also sent 40,000 tonnes wheat to Afghanistan when the people in his own country are dying of hunger. To the same Afghanis that dont accept the Durand Line, that dream of capturing Pakistan's north, call majority of Pakistan's population as daal khors, committ terrorism in Pakistan including killing children such as APS, and regularly attack our forces on torkham.

Afghanis have repeatedly shown that they are a devoted to India and will work against Pakistan if ever given the opportunity.

We voted for taliban khan to protect Pakistanis. Not to protect Afghanis.

What about those Afghans who were born in Pakistan, and can't even relate with Afghanistan? (aka, the group of people who make up the majority of those receiving citizenship). These people should not even be called Afghans, they are Pakistanis. Under the constitution of Pakistan, Pakistan are obliged to anyone born in Pakistan citizenship, a duty that previous governments have not fulfilled.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yahan par loagun kei pass khanay ko paisay nahi hain and they want to include Afghans in the population who will later on only back stab Pakistan and will be easy target as moles for the foreign agencies.

The same Afghans after getting nationality will committ terrorism in the West with a Pakistani passport and it will be us that will face the burn.

Imran Khan never said anything of that sort before the elections so why is he decieving the whole nation now? I wouldnt have voted for him had i known he is going to pull this rubbish.

For those who dont know, he also sent 40,000 tonnes wheat to Afghanistan when the people in his own country are dying of hunger. To the same Afghanis that dont accept the Durand Line, that dream of capturing Pakistan's north, call majority of Pakistan's population as daal khors, committ terrorism in Pakistan including killing children such as APS, and regularly attack our forces on torkham.

Afghanis have repeatedly shown that they are a devoted to India and will work against Pakistan if ever given the opportunity.

We voted for taliban khan to protect Pakistanis. Not to protect Afghanis.

You have valid concerns, the our resident afghan wannabes should come up with a better excuse.

 

[Slim]

What about those Afghans who were born in Pakistan, and can't even relate with Afghanistan? (aka, the group of people who make up the majority of those receiving citizenship). These people should not even be called Afghans, they are Pakistanis. Under the constitution of Pakistan, Pakistan are obliged to anyone born in Pakistan citizenship, a duty that previous governments have not fulfilled.

What sort of a lala land do you live in? Your post is as far from the reality as it can ever be.

Cannot relate to Afghanistan? LOL
How did you come up with this rubbish theory? They all have roots and ties in Afghanistan and they were living in Pakistan illegaly. You want to apply constitition of Pakistan, be my guest. Constitution of the country also disallows illegal immigrants and these Afghanis are an illegal burden on our country. Therefore no naturalization laws applies to them. If you really want to work the constitution then you jail them for breaching the law and then deport them back to their hell hole.

You know thats what i hate about youthiyas like you. If you people geniunely cared, you would have stood up for those poor Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh who are living the worst sort of life in camps. But no just because your leader did something, you will defend it no matter what even at the expense of Pakistan. PTI supporters disgust me.

 

[Hermoine Green]

From out of nowhere, a brilliant decision.

 

[hussain.r97]

What sort of a lala land do you live in? Your post is as far from the reality as it can ever be.

Cannot relate to Afghanistan? LOL
How did you come up with this rubbish theory? They all have roots and ties in Afghanistan and they were living in Pakistan illegaly. You want to apply constitition of Pakistan, be my guest. Constitution of the country also disallows illegal immigrants and these Afghanis are an illegal burden on our country. Therefore no naturalization laws applies to them. If you really want to work the constitution then you jail them for breaching the law and then deport them back to their hell hole.

I am not talking about illegal/undocumented refugees, they should obviously be deported back to Afghanistan as they have no right to be in Pakistan. I am talking about the children of the many documented Afghan refugees living in Pakistan, who have lived in Pakistan all their lives and have never even stepped in Afghanistan.

You know thats what i hate about youthiyas like you. If you people geniunely cared, you would have stood up for those poor Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh who are living the worst sort of life in camps. But no just because your leader did something, you will defend it no matter what even at the expense of Pakistan. PTI supporters disgust me.

Lol at me defending Imran Khan no matter what. I have criticised him whenever he warrants criticism. In this case, I don't think he warrants criticism. Now just because I don't agree with your point of view on Afghan refugees, I am a "youthiya". Secondly, who says I don't want Pakistan to be a voice for all those Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh? Open a thread on that, I am sure many people will support it. That topic isn't really the topic of this thread now, is it?

 

[InziRules]

Racism abound here, in regards to Afghans. Can only be a good thing as they'll go and get jobs, instead of getting involved in crime

what is the pressing need for this?

Ok Afghans I can understand but Bengali immigrants? Shouldn't they actually be sending Bengalis back and bringing the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh to Pakistan.

Bengalis born here are Pakistani, with no desire to go to Bangladesh

Anyway, not talking about you [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION], but sad to see that in 2018, there are people who still discriminate based on ethnicity and try to couch it as not being good for the economy

 

[Red Devil]

Yahan par loagun kei pass khanay ko paisay nahi hain and they want to include Afghans in the population who will later on only back stab Pakistan and will be easy target as moles for the foreign agencies.

The same Afghans after getting nationality will committ terrorism in the West with a Pakistani passport and it will be us that will face the burn.

Imran Khan never said anything of that sort before the elections so why is he decieving the whole nation now? I wouldnt have voted for him had i known he is going to pull this rubbish.

For those who dont know, he also sent 40,000 tonnes wheat to Afghanistan when the people in his own country are dying of hunger. To the same Afghanis that dont accept the Durand Line, that dream of capturing Pakistan's north, call majority of Pakistan's population as daal khors, committ terrorism in Pakistan including killing children such as APS, and regularly attack our forces on torkham.

Afghanis have repeatedly shown that they are a kiss *** to India and will work against Pakistan if ever given the opportunity.

We voted for taliban khan to protect Pakistanis. Not to protect Afghanis.

These posts are incredibly racist lol, how can you paint millions of people with the same brush? How many Pakistan-born Afghan refugees have you met or personally know?

Besides, I'm sure they will properly vet these people before issuing citizenship etc. Law-abiding people who are born and bred in Pakistan deserve to be mainstreamed and treated like normal citizens.

 

[Slim]

I am not talking about illegal/undocumented refugees, they should obviously be deported back to Afghanistan as they have no right to be in Pakistan. I am talking about the children of the many documented Afghan refugees living in Pakistan, who have lived in Pakistan all their lives and have never even stepped in Afghanistan.



Lol at me defending Imran Khan no matter what. I have criticised him whenever he warrants criticism. In this case, I don't think he warrants criticism. Now just because I don't agree with your point of view on Afghan refugees, I am a "youthiya". Secondly, who says I don't want Pakistan to be a voice for all those Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh? Open a thread on that, I am sure many people will support it. That topic isn't really the topic of this thread now, is it?

Buddy, the ones your leader is talking about are illegal refugees hiding in Karachi and other areas of Pakistan involved in anti state and criminal activities.

These refugees were supposed to be sent back to their country. We are a poor country and we dont owe anyone any sort of naturalization and become a burden on Pakistan's economy.

Khan's actions point out to a much darker picture. He wants to do this to increase his vote bank. But just like Zia ul Haq, he will sow the seeds of Pakistan spiralling down further possibly splitting into different states by making traitors citizens of Pakistan. You lot are playing in the hands of the enemy.

If Khan honestly wanted to do something he would have helped those poor Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh. Not these namak harams.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Racism abound here, in regards to Afghans. Can only be a good thing as they'll go and get jobs, instead of getting involved in crime



Bengalis born here are Pakistani, with no desire to go to Bangladesh

Anyway, not talking about you [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION], but sad to see that in 2018, there are people who still discriminate based on ethnicity and try to couch it as not being good for the economy

This all works fine and dandy in first world countries... or vast countries which need populating like Canada and USA. This move is an open invite to further illegal immigration.

Bengalis fought a war to free from Pakistan, so when did these Bengalis snuck in illegally in Pakistan. It must have been after 71, as prior meant you were moving around internally. It is morally repugnant to ignore the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh.

 

[InziRules]

This all works fine and dandy in first world countries... or vast countries which need populating like Canada and USA. This move is an open invite to further illegal immigration.

Bengalis fought a war to free from Pakistan, so when did these Bengalis snuck in illegally in Pakistan. It must have been after 71, as prior meant you were moving around internally. It is morally repugnant to ignore the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh.

You do realise that those who came after 71 obviously came because they supported Pakistan in 71 and knew that they'd die if they stayed?

 

[Mamoon]

It is the right decision in my view. Giving legal status to these people is a potentially effective way of curbing illegal activities and crimes.

It is very easy to break the law in Pakistan if you do not have an NIC and/or a passport.

It is not realistic to send back all Afghans and Bengalis, and if you are not giving them legal status, you are asking for trouble.

Those who are in Pakistan should be given status and recognition - it may encourage and motivate them to do some good for the country.

By alienating them, you are creating a divide and encouraging racism that will not do anyone any good.

The ideal situation would obviously be to send them back to their homelands, but as I said, that is impossible due to various reasons and factors. The next best solution is to give them legal status, and after all, that is what our constitution states.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

You do realise that those who came after 71 obviously came because they supported Pakistan in 71 and knew that they'd die if they stayed?

Is that really true?

Then why haven't all the stranded Pakistanis been able to make it to Pakistan?

Then there are the rohingyas. how many of they are under the Bengali identity.

This is just stupid, Karachi already has huge problems due to over crowding, policies like these will invite further illegal immigration. If you sneak in, have a kid, you will never be sent back as your child is a citizen.

It's all well and dandy for IK, he doesn't mind afghans in KP, because they are similar to him, but let's see how big hearted he is by inviting stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh to settle in KP.... ofcourse that wil never happen. As long as you dump everyone in Karachi, you can conveniently ignore the issues that it creates for Karachi but more importantly pat yourself on the back for "doing the right thing". But not realising you have screwed Karachi over. If you going to have a moral conscious then step up and put in funds to manage this. Creating a slum mega city is not the way to go about it.

 

[enkidu_]

[MENTION=146948]Slim[/MENTION] Listen to Imran Khan, his whole point is that if you want to curb their "illegal activities", you have to make them a part of the mainstream society instead of actually pushing them to do all of this because they can't have a regular job for the lack of administrative status :

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And the naturalization of their children has a constitutional provision anyway.

Also, do you seriously believe that all Afghans, esp. children, even care about the Durand line ? That's paranoia, and yet again reminds me of the Western right-wing narrative for whom Muslims don't migrate to Europe for economics reasons, but in a way do a jihad to conquer the lands.

Another perception on Afghan refugees, otherwise you'd think they're all Tony Montana's, drug dealers bent on creating Loy Afghanistan as sole and unique purpose in life :

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Afghan refugees provided cheap labor and started playing an instrumental role in the development of Pakistan. However, in return, no legal rights of labor were given to them from the Pakistan’s government. Since the refugees were not eligible to work as white-collar workers, most of them ended up with blue-collar jobs, earning an insignificant daily wage. Moreover, as frustration emerged with the low quality public services available for refugees, they looked for a better life in other parts of the world. However, many Afghan refugees continued to significantly contribute to the expansion of the Pakistani economy through remittances to their families back in Pakistan.

Furthermore, there are thousands of Afghans who are working in Afghanistan while their families live in Pakistan. During the holidays, they go to Pakistan and contribute their earnings to Pakistani GDP. Pakistani service providers greatly benefit from Afghans moving across the border. According to Ummat, a newspaper in Pakistan, on an annual basis, Afghan refugees pour 34 billion Pakistani rupees ($325 million) into Pakistan’s economy. Keeping in view the huge amount of money and resources coming through refugees, it’s a win-win situation for Pakistan in financial terms.

Moreover, businesses in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are largely run by Afghan refugees. Afghan businessmen import clothes and other items from South Korea and China. A cluster of shopping markets named Karkhano in Peshawar are run by Afghans. These entrepreneurial Afghans have kept their wealth in Pakistani banks, which as a result benefits Pakistan’s economy.

Additionally, the money that is poured into Pakistan for the sake of Afghan refugees’ welfare has provided thousands of job opportunities to local Pakistanis. For instance, the Afghan refugee commissioner’s office employs 700 people, whose job is to process Afghan refugees in Pakistan. These 700 employees’ salaries are paid by UNHCR. Additionally, many other international aid agencies employ thousands of local Pakistanis. Corruption is in full swing as well; Afghan refugees on a near daily basis are paying huge amounts in bribes to Pakistani police in order to escape frequent harassment, which has become a common source of revenue for the country’s security officials.

Finally, the UNHCR and other international donor organizations, including the Norwegian Refugees Council and Swedish International Development Agency give almost $150 million annually to the Pakistani government for the sake of providing services to Afghan refugees. Almost nothing from these sums has been spent on Afghan refugees; rather it mostly goes directly or indirectly into the hands of Pakistan’s government.
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https://thediplomat.com/2016/09/how-refugees-changed-the-afghan-pakistan-dynamic/

But I agree that the "stranded Pakistanis" (Biharis in BD) should be helped as well.

 

[the Great Khan]

Totally agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=146217]InziRules[/MENTION]. Yes I am an IK cheer leader. I am unapologetically so. However for me the security of Pakistan trumps all of those things. If IK ever threatens the security of the nation, I will speak against him and his policies. But this is not one of them. Think about it. If you have no leag documentation and yet have been born in that country, the job market is dead for you. How do you earn a living? easy that guy who asked you to drop off that weird looking parcel in that bazaar for a regular stipend is the guy your going to work for. The fact we have born and bred Pakistanis who are denied this basic right is a disgrace. It is a national security risk to continue to perpetrate this injustice.

And for those like me who are overseas, you and I have been given a great priveledge, we who's parents were born in Pakistan, who's wives were born in pakistan can get citizenship in Pakistan and our kids can too. Yet an afghanis son grandson of an afghani refugee who has lived all his life in pakistan cant? why..

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Totally agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=146217]InziRules[/MENTION]. Yes I am an IK cheer leader. I am unapologetically so. However for me the security of Pakistan trumps all of those things. If IK ever threatens the security of the nation, I will speak against him and his policies. But this is not one of them. Think about it. If you have no leag documentation and yet have been born in that country, the job market is dead for you. How do you earn a living? easy that guy who asked you to drop off that weird looking parcel in that bazaar for a regular stipend is the guy your going to work for. The fact we have born and bred Pakistanis who are denied this basic right is a disgrace. It is a national security risk to continue to perpetrate this injustice.

And for those like me who are overseas, you and I have been given a great priveledge, we who's parents were born in Pakistan, who's wives were born in pakistan can get citizenship in Pakistan and our kids can too. Yet an afghanis son grandson of an afghani refugee who has lived all his life in pakistan cant? why..

Being a cheerleader is not a good trait.

This act is madness, as I said, this works in countries where they need to populate areas.. like USA historically and now places like Canada. Not in desperately poor countries like Pakistan.

The answer for countries like Pakistan is Amnesty, much like what UK does time to time. You open an amnesty window.

Conveniently, millions of Bengalis get

Somehow explain to me how atleast 500,000 rohingyas are living in Karachi? I presume they are the ones who will benefit the most out of those living as @ And why they should be treated on par with Afghans. Other than religion, they have nothing in common with Pakistanis.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

A commendable step and basically giving rights to people who actually already have rights given to them by the constitution of Pakistan.

Give people rights, create opportunities that they can use and become productive, create harmony, and stop ostracising people who look or appear different.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Somehow explain to me how atleast 500,000 rohingyas are living in Karachi? I presume they are the ones who will benefit the most out of those living as @ And why they should be treated on par with Afghans. Other than religion, they have nothing in common with Pakistanis.

seems you have not read slog's posts. pakistanis share a cultural and emotional connect with rohingyas, heck even Q-e-A had commented on them once upon a time. it is not based on religion.

 

[enkidu_]

Somehow explain to me how atleast 500,000 rohingyas are living in Karachi? I presume they are the ones who will benefit the most out of those living as @ And why they should be treated on par with Afghans. Other than religion, they have nothing in common with Pakistanis.

The numbers are more around 300 000 for Rohingyas, and they tend to blend up with ethnic Bengalis (local politics, culture, etc). Both are basically a group apart, as they don't tend to assimilate into the Urdu speaking community (unlike those from UP, Bihar, Gujarat, etc). They're all in Karachi, where the ethnic breakdown could be seen as the following :

Urdu-speakers : 45%
Pashtuns : 25%
Punjabis/Sindhis : both around 15%
Bengalis/Rohingyas : just under 10% (7-8%, but have to look how many of the "Bangladeshi refugees" are not ethnic Bengalis but Biharis)
The rest (mainly Baloch in Lyari, but also minor ethnic groups from Gilgit Baltistan, etc) : 5%

I don't know how many of the 1.5 million registered Afghans refugees (1.5 more are illegals) are in Karachi, but if they're all/in majority naturalized, and considering their socio-economic condition which makes them keep a high fertility rate as compared to the more middle-class Urdu-speakers, Karachi will not only be the urban center with the largest Pashtun population in the world, which it already is (ahead of Kabul/Peshawar), but perhaps in around half-a-century they can also be the largest ethnic group in Pakistan's largest city, which will obviously have deep repercussions on a political level.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bad decision. Many of these people are openly anti-Pak in cahoots with enemy nations. IK should stop being so hasty here.

The best way to make them stop supporting enemy nations is to make them adopt and love the Pakistani identity. Inclusive policy works better than treating as outsiders. If Pakistan was originally created as a homeland for Muslims, why would Afghans or Bengalis feel like outsiders anyway?

 

[hussain.r97]

It is the right decision in my view. Giving legal status to these people is a potentially effective way of curbing illegal activities and crimes.

It is very easy to break the law in Pakistan if you do not have an NIC and/or a passport.

It is not realistic to send back all Afghans and Bengalis, and if you are not giving them legal status, you are asking for trouble.

Those who are in Pakistan should be given status and recognition - it may encourage and motivate them to do some good for the country.

By alienating them, you are creating a divide and encouraging racism that will not do anyone any good.

The ideal situation would obviously be to send them back to their homelands, but as I said, that is impossible due to various reasons and factors. The next best solution is to give them legal status, and after all, that is what our constitution states.

Absolutely agree with this, they need to be mainstreamed into Pakistani society.

 

[Syed1]

Those born in Pakistan should have been Pakistanis from the word Go.... why are our rules and regs so archaic




Another excellent decision by Khan. 10 years of PTI rule will completely transform Pakistan Inshallah

 

[Syed1]

Bad decision. Many of these people are openly anti-Pak in cahoots with enemy nations. IK should stop being so hasty here.

Who defines what is anti-Pakistan and pro-Pakistan? People like you often even blame people of Karachi to be anti-Pakistan, so I would recommend you stop handing out certifications of nationalism.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It’s a very good decision.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

A more inclusive society is a less divided society. United we win, divided we fall. For far too long we have been divided on the lines of ethnicities, religions, cast, creed and social status. If we want progress and real change, we’ll have to move on from such trivial differences.

 

[shah_1]

Those born in Pakistan should have been Pakistanis from the word Go.... why are our rules and regs so archaic




Another excellent decision by Khan. 10 years of PTI rule will completely transform Pakistan Inshallah

Send their parents where? Children should stay and parents should go back to Aghanistan?

 

[Syed1]

Send their parents where? Children should stay and parents should go back to Aghanistan?

Quite rich of Nooras to question what should or shouldn't be done, when their leaders have been ruling for 30+ years.




The parents should not be given citizenship or passport, but instead landing documents that allow them to stay long term. However, since their children are born here they should be Pakistanis.

 

[Salma_T]

Great to majority agree......have a few who are still carrying haters. These people are Pakistani born and lives in Pakistan their whole life why shouldn't they have rights that the constitution has given them but no other govt implemented.

 

[the Great Khan]

Being a cheerleader is not a good trait.

This act is madness, as I said, this works in countries where they need to populate areas.. like USA historically and now places like Canada. Not in desperately poor countries like Pakistan.

The answer for countries like Pakistan is Amnesty, much like what UK does time to time. You open an amnesty window.

Conveniently, millions of Bengalis get

Somehow explain to me how atleast 500,000 rohingyas are living in Karachi? I presume they are the ones who will benefit the most out of those living as @ And why they should be treated on par with Afghans. Other than religion, they have nothing in common with Pakistanis.

so what do you suggest? lets keep the status quo? keep a massive segment of the population out of the reach of basic rights? You are aware that keeping the status quo increases the security threat. If they have nic's they can be traced. Why would somebody care about Pakistan if we continually treat them like third class citizens? Imagine the value to ISIS.."see they even treat you worse than a hindu or a sikh"..

 

[Vegitto1]

Lol! Reading some of the posts here, and I am reminded of UKIP and BNP supporters lol. Want all the rights in foreign countries but don't want to give the same in their own.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan is home to everyone. Our religion does not turn away people on the assumption that they will back stab you or are traitors. Great decision by PTI.

 

[Savak]

It is the right decision in my view. Giving legal status to these people is a potentially effective way of curbing illegal activities and crimes.

It is very easy to break the law in Pakistan if you do not have an NIC and/or a passport.

It is not realistic to send back all Afghans and Bengalis, and if you are not giving them legal status, you are asking for trouble.

Those who are in Pakistan should be given status and recognition - it may encourage and motivate them to do some good for the country.

By alienating them, you are creating a divide and encouraging racism that will not do anyone any good.

The ideal situation would obviously be to send them back to their homelands, but as I said, that is impossible due to various reasons and factors. The next best solution is to give them legal status, and after all, that is what our constitution states.

Those with criminal backgrounds, ties are the ones who should be deported

 

[hussain.r97]

Buddy, the ones your leader is talking about are illegal refugees hiding in Karachi and other areas of Pakistan involved in anti state and criminal activities.

These refugees were supposed to be sent back to their country. We are a poor country and we dont owe anyone any sort of naturalization and become a burden on Pakistan's economy.

Khan's actions point out to a much darker picture. He wants to do this to increase his vote bank. But just like Zia ul Haq, he will sow the seeds of Pakistan spiralling down further possibly splitting into different states by making traitors citizens of Pakistan. You lot are playing in the hands of the enemy.

If Khan honestly wanted to do something he would have helped those poor Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh. Not these namak harams.

That makes absolutely no sense:

Afghan refugees mostly live in KPK - PTI are already WAY ahead in KPK without Afghan's being able to vote.

Bengali and Bihari refugees mainly live in Karachi - Again, PTI are already the biggest party in Karachi by quite a long way, letting refugees vote won't really give PTI any extra seats. On top of that, both those groups tend to be concentrated in one area, so seeing that, PTI are unlikely to gain more than 1-2 seats in Karachi IF they gain anything at all.

You could argue that many Afghan refugees live in Balochistan too, but how much would PTI gain from that? 2 seats? 3 seats?

If you are going to argue something, at least argue with facts rather than assumptions and racism.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Hmm, the same could be said about us british pakistanis, My parents came to the UK in the early 70's, i was born in the UK i have british passport and so do my parents.

I think what pakistan should do is that all illegals in Pakistan should get the passport and from a certain date any illegals they should be sent back.

Its the only way, nothing wrong with them loving Afghanistan but they need to love Pakistan also.

Pakistan shares a large border with Afghanistan they are our neighbours, both countries need to have excellent relationship, i hope IK can do that.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

nice gesture, now please bring behari pakistani stuck in bangladesh home. There people have been stuck there have have faced all kinds of discrimination for siding with {akistan.

 

[Greenstorm]

It is the right move. Deport illegal miscreants back to their respective countries and streamline the process of assimilation of law abiding refugees.

Emphasis should be on police reforms so that crime rate reduces and these immigrants remain in check. With the improvement of our economic situation and strengthening of our institutions(which the country is going towards), these immigrants can prove to be a valuable asset in the long run.

 

[Syed1]

nice gesture, now please bring behari pakistani stuck in bangladesh home. There people have been stuck there have have faced all kinds of discrimination for siding with {akistan.

Yes that should be on the agenda... those people have lived all their lives in BD as second class citizens. Also their children have been born in BD and grown up there but their government does not recognize them. Either Pak should lobby with BD government to get them their rights or offer to bring them back.

 

[gkb101277867]

Wow the disgraceful hypocrisy here is unreal. The same people who complain and beg and would give anything to get a passport from the US or the UK are against it when it involves thier own country.

 

[shah_1]

Quite rich of Nooras to question what should or shouldn't be done, when their leaders have been ruling for 30+ years.




The parents should not be given citizenship or passport, but instead landing documents that allow them to stay long term. However, since their children are born here they should be Pakistanis.

How convient to change your opinion about Afghans, I remember you talking about ill about Afghans as namak haram. Look at the last comment of your.

I can point out even more

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...extends-Afghan-refugees-stay-until-early-2017

 

[Pakistanian]

Wow the disgraceful hypocrisy here is unreal. The same people who complain and beg and would give anything to get a passport from the US or the UK are against it when it involves thier own country.

Most people on this thread have been supportive of this move, you're really pushing it by just looking at a couple comments.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

An incredibly humane and brave (politically) decision by Imran Khan.

 

[Pakistanian]

Being a cheerleader is not a good trait.

This act is madness, as I said, this works in countries where they need to populate areas.. like USA historically and now places like Canada. Not in desperately poor countries like Pakistan.

The answer for countries like Pakistan is Amnesty, much like what UK does time to time. You open an amnesty window.

Conveniently, millions of Bengalis get

Somehow explain to me how atleast 500,000 rohingyas are living in Karachi? I presume they are the ones who will benefit the most out of those living as @ And why they should be treated on par with Afghans. Other than religion, they have nothing in common with Pakistanis.

Well Rohingyas may not share anything with Pakistanis but at least they're more peaceful and not anti-Pakistan unlike Afghans. Afghan nationalists dream of annexing half of Pakistan, I don't the rohingyas have any such plans.

 

[Pakistanian]

I think this is a good move because if there are Afghans that still hate Pakistan and Pakistanis then they might have to think twice once they become Pakistanis themselves.

 

[Pakistanian]

nice gesture, now please bring behari pakistani stuck in bangladesh home. There people have been stuck there have have faced all kinds of discrimination for siding with {akistan.

I don't think it's a good idea cause they've been there for over 60 years now, Pakistan is now a foreign land to them. Uprooting them and then planting them in a land thousands of miles away isn't the best idea. I think Bangladesh should integrate them.

 

[Greenstorm]

I think this is a good move because if there are Afghans that still hate Pakistan and Pakistanis then they might have to think twice once they become Pakistanis themselves.

Exactly. I was against Afghan refugees in the past but it seems like the only viable option at the moment.

 

[Syed1]

How convient to change your opinion about Afghans, I remember you talking about ill about Afghans as namak haram. You are the biggest hypcorite, Look at the last comment of your.

I can point out even more

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...extends-Afghan-refugees-stay-until-early-2017

Yes I used to have a harsh opinion regarding Afghans which has watered down a bit now, but I have always maintained those born in Pakistan should be regarded as Pakistanis and I'm saying the exact same thing here as well.



However, for you it is convenient to bash IK and PTI for years using Noora propaganda and then hide under the blanket of "but I voted for PTI" just like a few more on here. Don't throw stones while you sit in that comfy glass house of yours.

 

[shah_1]

I think this is a good move because if there are Afghans that still hate Pakistan and Pakistanis then they might have to think twice once they become Pakistanis themselves.

The thing is that people born here deserves citizenship but these Afghans are not to be trusted.

You rarely meet an Afghan that likes Pakistanis, Pakitan and our army. They think the whole plight of Afghanistan is because of Pakistan army. All the terrorist attacks recently come from Pakistan. Dangerous


Nothing wrong with Bengalis or Biharis given the right, they have no nationality unlike Afghans.

 

[shah_1]

Yes I used to have a harsh opinion regarding Afghans which has watered down a bit now, but I have always maintained those born in Pakistan should be regarded as Pakistanis and I'm saying the exact same thing here as well.



However, for you it is convenient to bash IK and PTI for years using Noora propaganda and then hide under the blanket of "but I voted for PTI" just like a few more on here. Don't throw stones while you sit in that comfy glass house of yours.

You are just assuming

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I don't think it's a good idea cause they've been there for over 60 years now, Pakistan is now a foreign land to them. Uprooting them and then planting them in a land thousands of miles away isn't the best idea. I think Bangladesh should integrate them.

That's the thing .Bangladesh doesn't to .They are considered and treated traitors by benaglis for siding with Pakistan in the freedom war. What kind of country would we be to to let out citizens rot who paid with their life and possessions to side with us but grant citizenship to the ones that openly show their disdain to Pakistan . BTW agree with you re Oath of allegiance for citizenship .

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The thing is that people born here deserves citizenship but these Afghans are not to be trusted.

You rarely meet an Afghan that likes Pakistanis, Pakitan and our army. They think the whole plight of Afghanistan is because of Pakistan army. All the terrorist attacks recently come from Pakistan. Dangerous


Nothing wrong with Bengalis or Biharis given the right, they have no nationality unlike Afghans.

Terrorists will terrorize; criminals will commit crimes; it doesn't matter whether they are Pakistani nationals or not.

But these generations of refugees have same right to Pakistani citizenship as the guy born in Lahore. Constitution says so.

Great decision by IK. Hate and no trust will only cause further divisions in a diverse country like Pakistan.

 

[khan991]

Great decision by pakistan. Most of the people against this decison are living abroad and enjoying citizenships from different countries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good move. Im sure once they are given Pakistani citizenship they will be loyal Pakistani's.

Regardless of what people think and the Northern Alliance in charge, Afghanistan overall is on the side of Pakistan and once puppets are removed it will help not hinder Pakistani security.

 

[shah_1]

Afghans simply hate us, they call Pakistan army a terrorist organization.

I just read a news that IK wants open border with Afghanistan( said this during 26th july speech). What is wrong with this man. There is nothing worse than open border with Afghanistan

He recently gave free 40,000 tones wheat to Afghanistan when our kids in thar and Balochistan are dying of hunger and there is stunted growth which he talks about. I don't understand his bias towards Afghanistan. Please don't disappoint us Imran Khan.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Masterstroke by Immy. He will win Afghanistan from India.

 

[shah_1]

Masterstroke by Immy. He will win Afghanistan from India.

Hopefully this can work but the hate towards each other too much and so is the lack of trust between each other. I would love to see Afghanistan a peaceful nation, and people of Afghanistan and Pakistan can co exit and like each other.

This might be ploy to draw Afghanistan closer, bring them out of the influence of India. This should be planned out well, don't want Zia or Musharaf like mistake.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Hopefully this can work but the hate towards each other too much and so is the lack of trust between each other. I would love to see Afghanistan a peaceful nation, and peoole of Afghanistan and Pakistan can like co exit

This might be ploy to draw Afghanistan closer, bring them out of the influence of India. This should be planned out well, don't want Zia or Musharaf like mistake.

We have to build bridges and someone will have to start it.

 

[Pakistanian]

Masterstroke by Immy. He will win Afghanistan from India.

Unlikely. Afghanistan has a very a deep bond with India, they're one and the same.

 

[notAgainPlease]

what is the pressing need for this?

Ok Afghans I can understand but Bengali immigrants? Shouldn't they actually be sending Bengalis back and bringing the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh to Pakistan.

Dude they are third generation ... Either you give them nationality or not, they are not going back so why not bring them in ?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

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Afghans simply hate us, they call Pakistan army a terrorist organization.

I just read a news that IK wants open border with Afghanistan( said this during 26th july speech). What is wrong with this man. There is nothing worse than open border with Afghanistan

He recently gave free 40,000 tones wheat to Afghanistan when our kids in thar and Balochistan are dying of hunger and there is stunted growth which he talks about. I don't understand his bias towards Afghanistan. Please don't disappoint us Imran Khan.

Were these pictures taken by the Afghan refugees in Pakistan?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I just read a news that IK wants open border with Afghanistan( said this during 26th july speech). What is wrong with this man.

It will be great. Hate and fights have given us nothing. In long-term we should have open borders with all our neighbors. And no this is not living in Lala Land, it is actually possible. It has to start somewhere and Immy is looking towards the right side.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

so what do you suggest? lets keep the status quo? keep a massive segment of the population out of the reach of basic rights? You are aware that keeping the status quo increases the security threat. If they have nic's they can be traced. Why would somebody care about Pakistan if we continually treat them like third class citizens? Imagine the value to ISIS.."see they even treat you worse than a hindu or a sikh"..

I already suggested a solution. The answer is Amnesty.

The blanket birther rule is insane. It's an open invite to mass immigration and even to undesirables, you will have no choice in letting them stay. Like most things in Pakistan. The law is an *** designed by idiots, who haven't thought anything through.

This is an invite to change demographics of smaller provinces. The baloch in particular are very bitter and that resentment could grow into something lot bigger. As I said, IK should settle stranded Pakistanis in KP.

Those questioning me, the UK does not give you citizenship due to birth. Every now and then they have amnesty for those staying illegally over a certain period of time. I am saying that Pakistan should also have the same rules and keep control of who it chooses to give citezenship.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Dude they are third generation ... Either you give them nationality or not, they are not going back so why not bring them in ?

The route they should go down is Amnesty.