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Haider Ali - Performance Watch in Pakistan Super League

Shaddy86 said:
Here's your opener for Pak T20 squad and we're only into the 8th game of PSL. Wait till the end I'll give you two more options which will be much better than K Akmal.
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And here goes the typical hype machine, raising someone to the roof after one PSL, and then you will throw him down when he fails at the international level.

No, they're not mutually exclusive. Kami is a definite for World T20.

There's one more spot. Let's see who we can partner with Kami. Kami's red hot form must be utilized. Right now, Kami has also displayed a much bigger range of shots than Haidar.

3 centuries out of 6 at the PSL. Best opener in QeA trophy.
 
Hawkeye said:
And here goes the typical hype machine, raising someone to the roof after one PSL, and then you will throw him down when he fails at the international level.

No, they're not mutually exclusive. Kami is a definite for World T20.

There's one more spot. Let's see who we can partner with Kami. Kami's red hot form must be utilized. Right now, Kami has also displayed a much bigger range of shots than Haidar.

3 centuries out of 6 at the PSL. Best opener in QeA trophy.
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Kami needs a century against Islamabad United to be noticed :misbah:
 
Canistani Hero said:
Haider maybe alot of things but he is definitely not selfish.
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[MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] is angry because Haidar is already 100x better than Ahmed Shehzad.

The guy lives and breathes to promote Shehzad at all the forums.
 
Also seems to be having a better first PSl then Babar who was already an international player by then hopefully he has a strong second fc season and can do few A tours before playing test cricket
 
shah_1 said:
One innings and T20 WC :))
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This is the same immature crowd that will also abuse Haidar when he fails at the World T20.

This is called the typical immature hype machine. One PSL and we have a new Warner! Without First Class and QEA experience.
 
Forum363 said:
Really? Thats good to hear.

I know they have ear marked Rohail Nazir and are developing him well. But he seems to me to have less shots and will become a Test player most likely.
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Yep, this is why I'm happy with people like Wasim Khan being in the PCB -- working diligently and with integrity. He even praised Haider randomly during a brief commentary stint he did during either SL T20s or Tests
 
Hawkeye said:
This is the same immature crowd that will also abuse Haidar when he fails at the World T20.

This is called the typical immature hype machine. One PSL and we have a new Warner! Without First Class and QEA experience.
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I don't want in in the t20 squad but he averaged 50 in QEA
 
Hawkeye said:
[MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] is angry because Haidar is already 100x better than Ahmed Shehzad.

The guy lives and breathes to promote Shehzad at all the forums.
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Haider is badly needed breath of fresh air for Pakistan. You can produce a 100 amazing fast bowlers but if you cant even produce even 5 decent batsman, you will always be an average team. Talent like this needs to nurtured and protected
 
Bullet Drive said:
Very limited. And so is his play vs spin and bouncers.
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Are you sure about he has weaknesses against spin .He was reading and playing indian u19 leg spinner with ease. the same spinner who was nightmare for many team

He has issue against short pitch bowling but that can be rectify with the time
 
Hawkeye said:
And here goes the typical hype machine, raising someone to the roof after one PSL, and then you will throw him down when he fails at the international level.

No, they're not mutually exclusive. Kami is a definite for World T20.

There's one more spot. Let's see who we can partner with Kami. Kami's red hot form must be utilized. Right now, Kami has also displayed a much bigger range of shots than Haidar.

3 centuries out of 6 at the PSL. Best opener in QeA trophy.
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How many openers are you planning on taking to the World Cup?

Babar and Sharjeel should be opening. Don't talk about moving Babar down because that is where he has been successful, become the number 1 t20 batsman etc. Why change something that has worked.

Next in line should be Haider so he gets the experience of travelling with the team and training etc. He can also bat at 3 if needed. You also have the likes of Fakhar or Zeeshan Ashraf to consider.

Is that enough names to consider before Kami 'fitness is overrated' Akmal?
 
saeed5646 said:
Are you sure about he has weaknesses against spin .He was reading and playing indian u19 leg spinner with ease. the same spinner who was nightmare for many team

He has issue against short pitch bowling but that can be rectify with the time
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Wth are guys talking about ? Leaving short Ball doesn't really mean its a weakness actually he leaves ot pretty well Unlike how Azhar ali made a mess of short pitch bowling in SA
He has nice head position And Watches the bowl
Well That's More then Enough for him To survive Test and Odis
 
Khan12 said:
I don't want in in the t20 squad but he averaged 50 in QEA
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His average in FC after 5 matches is good. Let's give him another FC season.

T20 stats are average 13 at 110 SR and doesn't appear to be his strongest format. Tries too hard to hit.
 
Forum363 said:
How many openers are you planning on taking to the World Cup?

Babar and Sharjeel should be opening. Don't talk about moving Babar down because that is where he has been successful, become the number 1 t20 batsman etc. Why change something that has worked.

Next in line should be Haider so he gets the experience of travelling with the team and training etc. He can also bat at 3 if needed. You also have the likes of Fakhar or Zeeshan Ashraf to consider.

Is that enough names to consider before Kami 'fitness is overrated' Akmal?
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Immature post. One PSL wonders should never be immediately promoted to the national team, let alone World T20. He's not yet a PSL wonder too, btw. T20s - averaging 13 at 110 SR.

One more reason to not take your posts seriously. You would be calling for his head when he starts failing at the international level.

Let him work in FC and then play ODIs once he has shown good performances in FC/List A.

As for openers, Kami and Sharjeel if he performs, should be the openers.
 
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Hawkeye said:
Immature post. One PSL wonders should never be immediately promoted to the national team, let alone World T20. He's not yet a PSL wonder too, btw. T20s - averaging 13 at 110 SR.

One more reason to not take your posts seriously. You would be calling for his head when he starts failing at the international level.

Let him work in FC and then play ODIs once he has shown good performances in FC/List A.

As for openers, Kami and Sharjeel if he performs, should be the openers.
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Okay so let me get this clear. You focus on the stats of a 19 year old kid who has all the shots in the book, every commentator is saying how he oozes talent, has performed decently at the u19 level and in first class, and played a blistering innings to show his talent. But all this is not enough to give him a chance to be around the team for the World Cup.

However the stats of a 38 year old dodgy, unfit character, who has played hundreds of international matches are irrelevant because only his recent form at the domestic level matters. By your rationale we should be filling up teams with the likes of Khurram Manzoor and young players would never get a chance until they've played many seasons.

Also - Kami and Sharjeel opening? So you would displace the number one batsmen in the world? When Babar has clearly shown he is strongest starting in the power play where his classical shots fetch him boundaries and he doesn't have to manufacture shots to up his strike rate.
 
Forum363 said:
Okay so let me get this clear. You focus on the stats of a 19 year old kid who has all the shots in the book, every commentator is saying how he oozes talent, has performed decently at the u19 level and in first class, and played a blistering innings to show his talent. But all this is not enough to give him a chance to be around the team for the World Cup.

However the stats of a 38 year old dodgy, unfit character, who has played hundreds of international matches are irrelevant because only his recent form at the domestic level matters. By your rationale we should be filling up teams with the likes of Khurram Manzoor and young players would never get a chance until they've played many seasons.

Also - Kami and Sharjeel opening? So you would displace the number one batsmen in the world? When Babar has clearly shown he is strongest starting in the power play where his classical shots fetch him boundaries and he doesn't have to manufacture shots to up his strike rate.
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No. Stats don't matter much, I was using them because you love throwing stats around. Wanted to see your reaction, if you have double standards and what logic you'll come up with to dismiss stats (when you love throwing them around).

Haidar is talented, and will get his chance after playing some FC/List A cricket and polishing, preferably in ODIs.
 
I think he should be kept away from T20s. He should focus on longer versions of the game. He's a good talent. He should follow the path of Babar in terms of work ethic , patience, commitment, technique and master his game. He's trying to send every delivery out of the park. Hope he doesn't not throw it away like Shehzad, UAkmal etc
 
Brilliance said:
I think he should be kept away from T20s. He should focus on longer versions of the game. He's a good talent. He should follow the path of Babar in terms of work ethic , patience, commitment, technique and master his game. He's trying to send every delivery out of the park. Hope he doesn't not throw it away like Shehzad, UAkmal etc
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Correct. Immature posts above, as usual, during every PSL. When every time dck and Harry becomes an expert and wants to play people in internationals immediately.

Tests and ODIs in the future hopefully
 
Hawkeye said:
No. Stats don't matter much, I was using them because you love throwing stats around. Wanted to see your reaction, if you have double standards and what logic you'll come up with to dismiss stats (when you love throwing them around).

Haidar is talented, and will get his chance after playing some FC/List A cricket and polishing, preferably in ODIs.
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It's not double standards its about using logic where relevant.

The stats of an international cricketer who has played hundreds of matches should not be used in the same way as the stats of a teenager who has just started his career and is displaying some insane shot making ability.

And well done for twice ignoring the fact that you are moving Babar to 3 to accommodate Kami. Great bias.
 
Hawkeye said:
This is the same immature crowd that will also abuse Haidar when he fails at the World T20.

This is called the typical immature hype machine. One PSL and we have a new Warner! Without First Class and QEA experience.
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We've seen what good the players that perform at domestic level do at the intl level. I'm not calling to include him in the T20 squad right now but he's an option much better than Akmal because you can look at him and tell the guy has the talent although he lacks temperament. Wait till the end of PSL and you'll have 3 options better than Akmal.. we're not looking for 2 opening positions, Babar firmly holds the other place. You seem to be on Akmal payroll, keep trolling no one's selecting him. If in any doubts then listen to what Rameez had to say about Kamran's selection. Any sensible selector would much rather have a talented 19 year old than a ttf 38 year old.
 
Has thrown his wicket away over and over from what I've seen. Unforced errors.

Yes, he played well today, but he needs to capitalize and truly give the selectors no choice but to select him.
 
He is young and developing. Wait for a year or two. He will get discarded if he fails in Australian conditions.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Has thrown his wicket away over and over from what I've seen. Unforced errors.

Yes, he played well today, but he needs to capitalize and truly give the selectors no choice but to select him.
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It's adrenalines, the sooner he learns to control the better, don't want to make a habit of it. Technically, as far as T20's go, he's perfectly suited for this format. A quick fire 30/40 runs are all that should be required of an opener in T20s.
 
Hes got all the shots just needs to stay at the wickets and get a big score needs to work on short bowling but played spin well
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khushdil Shah "Haider Ali was batting like he was in the nets, he was middling everything. Unluckily for him we got him out and that was good for us" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PZvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PZvMS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSLV?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSLV</a> <a href="https://t.co/p5FLQrFaGt">pic.twitter.com/p5FLQrFaGt</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1232729090119131143?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Couple of more good innings and he will a serious contender for the national T20 squad. For T20, more than stats you need to see the potential , technique and power hitting skill. Haider checks most of the dots.
 
Haider threw his wicket again.He looks like a pretty player but since he is young he lacks experience.He needs to read the match situation and then bat accordingly.There is no doubt he has big shots.He is very excitable and needs to clam down.
 
Kashmirilion said:
Azam khan?
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Yes. The guy has talent, let's see if he has the fire in his belly to use it. And those shots s by Zeeshan were class, let's hope he isn't satisfied with cameos and wants to become a good international player. Although with Zeeshan, his play of spin in the 1st game worried me.
 
Bewal Express said:
Yes. The guy has talent, let's see if he has the fire in his belly to use it. And those shots s by Zeeshan were class, let's hope he isn't satisfied with cameos and wants to become a good international player. Although with Zeeshan, his play of spin in the 1st game worried me.
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His spin play is decent. In fact when I last saw him he looked like a spin basher.
 
Bewal Express said:
Yes. The guy has talent, let's see if he has the fire in his belly to use it. And those shots s by Zeeshan were class, let's hope he isn't satisfied with cameos and wants to become a good international player. Although with Zeeshan, his play of spin in the 1st game worried me.
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There's plenty of room in that belly, surely there's some fire there :yk
 
Haider Ali seems to be improving game by game which is a great sign for Pakistan. We might finally get rid of the likes of M Hafeez and S Malik.

Still needs to work on his batting temperament if he wants to be consistent like Babar Azam. Whatever the format cricket never will be only about hitting boundaries.

His innings was impressive today, but we need more including some consistency ala Babar Azam.
 
shah_1 said:
Can't play off side like Zeeshan Ashraf. Zeeshan is impressive on both sides of the wicket
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A lot of our batsmen suffer fron this disease to play across the line and try to hit over mid wicket. Both are natural talents.

We Pakistanis have been watching crap like Imam ul Haq, Hafeez and Shoaib Malik. Fakhar Zaman did for ashort time, yet we have'nt seen an attacking batsman like Saeed Anwar for a long time.

Both Ashraf and Haider are openers and were attacking the bowling from the first delivery. Both have been equally impressive and deserve to play for Pakistan A if not Pakistan T20.
 
Playing too much T20 could ruin him. He needs to be batting for long periods of time to improve.
 
Hasan123 said:
Playing too much T20 could ruin him. He needs to be batting for long periods of time to improve.
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Yes shouldnt play too much but PSL and National T20 cup are the only tournaments in Pakistan so he will only play in those. To be able to adjust your tempo and game according to the formats is a modern day requirement and young players in my opinion should be able to do that. Even if you see young batsmen of other countries like Shaw, Gill, Renshaw etc they do play all 3 formats in domestics.
 
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Shaddy86 said:
We've seen what good the players that perform at domestic level do at the intl level. I'm not calling to include him in the T20 squad right now but he's an option much better than Akmal because you can look at him and tell the guy has the talent although he lacks temperament. Wait till the end of PSL and you'll have 3 options better than Akmal.. we're not looking for 2 opening positions, Babar firmly holds the other place. You seem to be on Akmal payroll, keep trolling no one's selecting him. If in any doubts then listen to what Rameez had to say about Kamran's selection. Any sensible selector would much rather have a talented 19 year old than a ttf 38 year old.
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Good post.
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] repeatedly refuses to address the fact that he wants to drop Babar down from opening just to fit in Akmal.

Anyone with an iota of knowledge who watched the match today will confirm the difference in class between Haider and Kamraan, and Haider is just getting started. He should get a lot better from here. Compare that with Kami leaning onto his bat to support his big stomach and playing his flat footed hoicks which only seem to work at this level.
 
I saw him on the highlights? Looks like a very good timer, can anyone please comment on how good he is?
He definitely has potential.. his strike rate was good too
 
Danyaalr01 said:
Exactly. Shehzad only looked good back in the early 2010s because there wasn't any good competition in LOIs.
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Nah Shahzad was better at 19 ,its not even a contest his temperament was way better and Range of shots were also good .But instead of getting better he is still the same 19 year old shehzad lol
 
waleed88 said:
I saw him on the highlights? Looks like a very good timer, can anyone please comment on how good he is?
He definitely has potential.. his strike rate was good too
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For T20 he has sound technique, picks up the length fairly quickly, hand Eye coordination is brilliant however a smarter bowler with decent slower balls might be able to pick him up cheaply. He definitely lacks temperament and seems confident or even over-confident in his ability but he's certainly no mindless slogger. He has potential, if dealt with carefully he can be a LOI specialist. All depends on how he's guided from here on, he needs a decent coach who can work on his temperament and work on situation awareness rather than his desire to keep striking hard. He could have easily scored big, had plenty of time but who knows he may not have scored those 40 odd runs had he played more conventionally. Any player that scores at 150+ strike rate cannot be expected to average 35+ in T20s, a quick fire 30-40 is all that should be required of such players, nothing more. Now it's all up to to him whether he wants to be an all out striker or mould himself into someone like Babar and take it a little easy.
 
Talent wise he was easily best batsman in Pakistan U-19 squad, and in PSL most promising in all Pakistani batsman. He has potential to play all formats.

His Fundamental issue is temperament, that can destroy him very quickly. I am also worry about his mental approach and shot selection, both in U19 and in PSL, rather than grinding and building innings, he throws it away. He should be brought under Babar mentorship. Pakistan don’t have much talent, we cannot waste one like that again 🙄🙄🙄
 
yasir said:
Talent wise he was easily best batsman in Pakistan U-19 squad, and in PSL most promising in all Pakistani batsman. He has potential to play all formats.

His Fundamental issue is temperament, that can destroy him very quickly. I am also worry about his mental approach and shot selection, both in U19 and in PSL, rather than grinding and building innings, he throws it away. He should be brought under Babar mentorship. Pakistan don’t have much talent, we cannot waste one like that again &#55357;&#56900;&#55357;&#56900;&#55357;&#56900;
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He has steadily improved in the tournament.
 
Titan24 said:
Yes shouldnt play too much but PSL and National T20 cup are the only tournaments in Pakistan so he will only play in those. To be able to adjust your tempo and game according to the formats is a modern day requirement and young players in my opinion should be able to do that. Even if you see young batsmen of other countries like Shaw, Gill, Renshaw etc they do play all 3 formats in domestics.
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Playing 3 formats is fine but my concern is he will play more T20s than first class cricket which won't benefit him.
 
I called it the other day, he'll struggle with slower balls. When a batsman is looking to hit everything hard, a slower ball will outfox him more often than not.
 
Fail or succeed, he should be priority number one for the PCB.

Add him to the squads and keep him around the main team. Brilliant talent.
 
A very good stroke maker it seems. Has his flaws but he can strike them and also has a good FC record so far. If he applies himself he can be a regular in the Pakistan side by 2021.

Zeeshan Ashraf has also been impressive so far, even more than Haider I'd say.
 
Fahdi said:
A very good stroke maker it seems. Has his flaws but he can strike them and also has a good FC record so far. If he applies himself he can be a regular in the Pakistan side by 2021.

Zeeshan Ashraf has also been impressive so far, even more than Haider I'd say.
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I have to say, I keep missing Zeeshan's batting so haven't really seen him. Is he really that impressive?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Darren Sammy "I told Haider Ali something is going to happen for him after this tournament. I will only reveal what I said to him, after this tournament. He's been excellent for us, he's such a talent" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL2020</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvPZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvPZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/MQGLUU9TE0">pic.twitter.com/MQGLUU9TE0</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1233479540690817029?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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