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Haider Ali - Performance Watch in Pakistan Super League

Saj said:
Stand-out young Pakistani batsman in PSL 5.

Yes he has some areas to work on, but the skills are there, the shot range is evident, he looks a very fine prospect.
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Only Pakistani young batsmen under 23 I believe as well.
 
I don’t want to critically assess him on a harsh level like many have been bizarrely doing in this thread.

It’s his first PSL stint, he’s clearly been told to go out there, enjoy himself and to announce himself. He has done that exactly. I’ll assess on what he can further develop on when he plays domestic cricket, or for the National side in ODI/Test.

Banton on the other hand who is experienced in the T20 area; and is arguably more talented, has struggled big time yet I see no one assessing his performances.
 
Khan12 said:
Only Pakistani young batsmen under 23 I believe as well.
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Rizwan Hussain, Azam Khan, Mohammad Faizan and Saif Badar are also U23. Though Badar is yet to get a game.

Rohail Nazir is also there if we wanna include specialist keeper but he hasnt gotten any games as well like Badar.
 
ElRaja said:
i know which shot ur talking about, the flick off the legs where he was square on and totally out of position?
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Michael Slater went on singing praises of Hashim Amla straight after that. He quickly adjusted his feet and flicked Shaheen who was in full flow for 4. Just to get out next ball
 
Theo_14 said:
I don’t want to critically assess him on a harsh level like many have been bizarrely doing in this thread.

It’s his first PSL stint, he’s clearly been told to go out there, enjoy himself and to announce himself. He has done that exactly. I’ll assess on what he can further develop on when he plays domestic cricket, or for the National side in ODI/Test.

Banton on the other hand who is experienced in the T20 area; and is arguably more talented, has struggled big time yet I see no one assessing his performances.
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He already has average of 50 in first class and 43 at list A

They wont assess him becouse it's not English leagues psl so they will assess pakistani players
 
He should be in all our squads going forward. He needs to be kept around the team and developed similar to how Babar was.
 
Titan24 said:
Rizwan Hussain, Azam Khan, Mohammad Faizan and Saif Badar are also U23. Though Badar is yet to get a game.

Rohail Nazir is also there if we wanna include specialist keeper but he hasnt gotten any games as well like Badar.
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Wasn't aware of Rizwan thought he was 23+ as for faizan no one rates him and he's definetly over 23. Hasn't even played a domestic yet. And the other you rightly pointed out haven't got a game yet. Hence I said only under 23 years old.
 
I keep repeating myself, but I hope the PCB are awake. Haider and Naseem Shah. Wrap these kids in cotton wool and spend all your resources on them. They are once in a generation players. If even one of them reaches their true potential, it could change the very dynamic of our team in any format.

At the moment we already have a batting and bowling superstar in Babar and Shaheen.

I don’t expect Haider or Naseem to be as consistent as those two but they can really provide the X-factor to Pakistan.
 
Titan24 said:
Rizwan Hussain, Azam Khan, Mohammad Faizan and Saif Badar are also U23. Though Badar is yet to get a game.

Rohail Nazir is also there if we wanna include specialist keeper but he hasnt gotten any games as well like Badar.
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Unsurprisingly the two batsmen that are under Misbah’s control have been completely mismanaged.

At least Azam Khan has been given consistent chances.

Rohail Nazir is not a t20 player and I’m glad he’s been kept out as otherwise the knives would have been out for him after a couple of slow starts, and that could break his career before it starts.
 
Hope he has same work ethic as Babar & he learn a few thing from him. Would be great to have 2 world class batters in our playing XI.
 
With Multan now qualified for play offs. They will probably give rohail chance to show his skills.
 
There was never any doubt about his talent. Its only his temperament that needs improvement and that hopefully will come with experience.
 
From national team's perspective, Haider Ali and Shadab's batting are the only positives from this season of PSL so far.
 
Look, a lot to like with Haider. I really like the kid and have expressed some Pros and Cons in his performance below. Please note, it may come across as negative, but I'm very high on this kid and all the cons that I mention are very fixable:

PROS:

1) The one thing that really stood out for me was his pacing of his innings against LQ. He would regularly rotate strike, especially after hitting a boundary.

2) The boy can hit. 😀

3) The pace of his innings was very Hashim Amla esque. This shows that he takes on instruction well. Thus, very coachable, always a plus especially in young batsmen.

CONS:

1) He absolutely rode his luck. There was a pull shot that went for 6 that would have been caught on other grounds. Which leads to:

2) His technique when pulling and leg glancing the ball needs work. He regularly doesn't get in line/position to make those shots work. Hence his leg glances either get edged behind on the offside for 4 or go straight up and his pulls get height more than distance. Needs reps in domestic to play these shots well.

3) He still has this thing where if he has 1 or 2 plays and misses, he stresses out and then tries to play a big shot. Like all good batsmen, he needs to forget the previous ball and play each ball on it's merit. He should back himself rather than stress about plays and misses.

4) Absolutely not a no5. The lowest he should bat is no.4. You don't want him playing at the end of an innings where agricultural shots will end his innings.

He's InshAllah definitely a future Pakistan player, but he needs games to further develop his technique. I'd love to see him get a contract in the Vitality T20 blast, so that he can get reps under his belt.
 
His got talent but should be tried in ODIs first he needs to learn how to get 50 over 100s just like Babar and then can be pushed into Test cricket.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Look, a lot to like with Haider. I really like the kid and have expressed some Pros and Cons in his performance below. Please note, it may come across as negative, but I'm very high on this kid and all the cons that I mention are very fixable:

PROS:

1) The one thing that really stood out for me was his pacing of his innings against LQ. He would regularly rotate strike, especially after hitting a boundary.

2) The boy can hit. ��

3) The pace of his innings was very Hashim Amla esque. This shows that he takes on instruction well. Thus, very coachable, always a plus especially in young batsmen.

CONS:

1) He absolutely rode his luck. There was a pull shot that went for 6 that would have been caught on other grounds. Which leads to:

2) His technique when pulling and leg glancing the ball needs work. He regularly doesn't get in line/position to make those shots work. Hence his leg glances either get edged behind on the offside for 4 or go straight up and his pulls get height more than distance. Needs reps in domestic to play these shots well.

3) He still has this thing where if he has 1 or 2 plays and misses, he stresses out and then tries to play a big shot. Like all good batsmen, he needs to forget the previous ball and play each ball on it's merit. He should back himself rather than stress about plays and misses.

4) Absolutely not a no5. The lowest he should bat is no.4. You don't want him playing at the end of an innings where agricultural shots will end his innings.

He's InshAllah definitely a future Pakistan player, but he needs games to further develop his technique. I'd love to see him get a contract in the Vitality T20 blast, so that he can get reps under his belt.
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He is chest on when he pulls, needs a lot of work.
 
Forum363 said:
He should be in all our squads going forward. He needs to be kept around the team and developed similar to how Babar was.
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If given a chance I would like to see him bat at the following
T20 he can bat in top 5
Odi bat at number 4 with babar at 3
Tests bat at number 5
 
ChTab said:
With Multan now qualified for play offs. They will probably give rohail chance to show his skills.
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Should be given a chance in the opening slot and play normal cricketing shots ans not slag !
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Look, a lot to like with Haider. I really like the kid and have expressed some Pros and Cons in his performance below. Please note, it may come across as negative, but I'm very high on this kid and all the cons that I mention are very fixable:

PROS:

1) The one thing that really stood out for me was his pacing of his innings against LQ. He would regularly rotate strike, especially after hitting a boundary.

2) The boy can hit. ��

3) The pace of his innings was very Hashim Amla esque. This shows that he takes on instruction well. Thus, very coachable, always a plus especially in young batsmen.

CONS:

1) He absolutely rode his luck. There was a pull shot that went for 6 that would have been caught on other grounds. Which leads to:

2) His technique when pulling and leg glancing the ball needs work. He regularly doesn't get in line/position to make those shots work. Hence his leg glances either get edged behind on the offside for 4 or go straight up and his pulls get height more than distance. Needs reps in domestic to play these shots well.

3) He still has this thing where if he has 1 or 2 plays and misses, he stresses out and then tries to play a big shot. Like all good batsmen, he needs to forget the previous ball and play each ball on it's merit. He should back himself rather than stress about plays and misses.

4) Absolutely not a no5. The lowest he should bat is no.4. You don't want him playing at the end of an innings where agricultural shots will end his innings.

He's InshAllah definitely a future Pakistan player, but he needs games to further develop his technique. I'd love to see him get a contract in the Vitality T20 blast, so that he can get reps under his belt.
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Good analysis but I disagree that on other grounds he might have been caught not every shot will be caught playing that shot but yes he has to work on that pull but stil had the confidence to play that shot.
 
shamaan said:
Good analysis but I disagree that on other grounds he might have been caught not every shot will be caught playing that shot but yes he has to work on that pull but stil had the confidence to play that shot.
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That was a hoick with little control
 
I'm still on the fence regarding this kid. For some reason I see a lot of resemblances with Shehzad, and he definitely seems to have a bit of a hacky tinge to his bat.


That being said, he has quite a lot of shot in his arsenal, also in his last innings of 60 odd off 40 odd balls he only had 4 dot balls. Now that is impressive.

I wish him well and if he performs then it's only good for Pakistan.


However, I would like to see more performances before jumping on "he is the next big thing" bandwagon.


:salute
 
I am sure his skills needs fine tuning and his game will sharpen the more he plays, but have you seen the confidence in this kid? Wow. He was thrown on a main stage of a competitive league and didn't even show any sign of nerves and since then he has been doing what he good at, which is scoring runs using his range of shots.

I like this kid and i know he may have some flaws, but again he is just a kid and could only get better under special supervision.
 
Syed1 said:
I'm still on the fence regarding this kid. For some reason I see a lot of resemblances with Shehzad, and he definitely seems to have a bit of a hacky tinge to his bat.


That being said, he has quite a lot of shot in his arsenal, also in his last innings of 60 odd off 40 odd balls he only had 4 dot balls. Now that is impressive.

I wish him well and if he performs then it's only good for Pakistan.


However, I would like to see more performances before jumping on "he is the next big thing" bandwagon.


:salute
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Shezard doesn't have the power that haider has and the rotation of strike and game management
 
He is very raw and plays some ugly hoicks, but the reason why I am impressed with him is because I see three things that you normally do not associate with young Pakistani batsmen - confidence (not the fake type), bat speed and power.

He has very good raw ingredients and there is considerable potential in him to be successful in international level.

He needs proper guidance and mentorship, but the problem is that I don’t want him to be guided by Misbah.

Arthur was a poor head coach, but I think he would have done a very good job with him.

I would love to see someone like Andy Flower, Kirsten, Tom Moody etc. work with him.
 
Mamoon said:
He is very raw and plays some ugly hoicks, but the reason why I am impressed with him is because I see three things that you normally do not associate with young Pakistani batsmen - confidence (not the fake type), bat speed and power.

He has very good raw ingredients and there is considerable potential in him to be successful in international level.

He needs proper guidance and mentorship, but the problem is that I don’t want him to be guided by Misbah.

Arthur was a poor head coach, but I think he would have done a very good job with him.

I would love to see someone like Andy Flower, Kirsten, Tom Moody etc. work with him.
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Its t20 he will occasionally play hicks but agree with everything else
 
Syed1 said:
I'm still on the fence regarding this kid. For some reason I see a lot of resemblances with Shehzad, and he definitely seems to have a bit of a hacky tinge to his bat.


That being said, he has quite a lot of shot in his arsenal, also in his last innings of 60 odd off 40 odd balls he only had 4 dot balls. Now that is impressive.

I wish him well and if he performs then it's only good for Pakistan.


However, I would like to see more performances before jumping on "he is the next big thing" bandwagon.


:salute
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I think the strike rotation is where he stands in stark contrast to Shehzad. Because he can get off strike quickly, he has an outlet to not let pressure build on him.

Shehzad is one of the best timers in Pakistan cricket today. However he's also somebody who has an uncanny ability to hit fielders with his well timed shots, i.e. his placement SUCKS. I think, initial indications show that Haider Ali doesn't have that issue with his strike rotating abilities.

As regards the ugly hoicks, yes they are there, but that really is a mental issue and hopefully can be coached out of him.
 
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shamaan said:
Babar azam,virat kohli,Steve smith have never hoicked or are always in control of every shot they play
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Kid literally hoicks every short ball, remember U19 semi too when he was hit few times on the helmet . I wish him well but not sold on him yet. Short ball technique is non-existent
 
needs to be in all three setups ASAP and replace either azhar or shafiq in tests and malik and hafeez in LOIs
 
hur rizvi said:
Kid literally hoicks every short ball, remember U19 semi too when he was hit few times on the helmet . I wish him well but not sold on him yet. Short ball technique is non-existent
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Yes he may have a problem but he hasnt been caught yet he will work on it with time and practise
 
Mamoon said:
He is very raw and plays some ugly hoicks, but the reason why I am impressed with him is because I see three things that you normally do not associate with young Pakistani batsmen - confidence (not the fake type), bat speed and power.

He has very good raw ingredients and there is considerable potential in him to be successful in international level.

He needs proper guidance and mentorship, but the problem is that I don’t want him to be guided by Misbah.

Arthur was a poor head coach, but I think he would have done a very good job with him.

I would love to see someone like Andy Flower, Kirsten, Tom Moody etc. work with him.
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I agree with much of what you say but his balance is the problem. He is too quick to get his weight forward but doesnt have the technique to go back quick enough. If he does what he should do and which is to go back and across, he may lose his strengths and may never get them back due to the confused technique. Either way, it will be fascinating to see which way his development goes, my fear is that another talent will fall by the wayside.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strange tactics by Peshawar Zalmi. Haider Ali had been batting very well up the order. So what do they do - drop him down to number 6 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSLV?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSLV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PZvMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PZvMS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1238532307495067651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Rayyman said:
Bakwaas shot to get out today
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Yeah because he isn't a number 6.

You have Adil Amin and Hammad Azam who are specialist middle and lower-order batsmen.

You have Haider Ali who has been doing well at #3.

What do you do? Promote yourself to #3 to try and be a hero :riaz and send the kid at #6.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Yeah because he isn't a number 6.

You have Adil Amin and Hammad Azam who are specialist middle and lower-order batsmen.

You have Haider Ali who has been doing well at #3.

What do you do? Promote yourself to #3 to try and be a hero :riaz and send the kid at #6.
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Doesn’t matter. He played a poor shot and a poor innings.
 
Pathetic by PZ I hope they don't qualify. An opener batting at 6. Wahab the shameless clown.
 
Pathetic call to send him at 6. Was really looking forward to watching him at the top order tonight.
 
Unforgivable decision really - pathetic by Wahab to promote himself. Captain's should know their limits.
 
HAHAHAHA.

Wahab so pathetic. Pulling off a Shadab by coming in early.
 
Mamoon said:
He is very raw and plays some ugly hoicks, but the reason why I am impressed with him is because I see three things that you normally do not associate with young Pakistani batsmen - confidence (not the fake type), bat speed and power.

He has very good raw ingredients and there is considerable potential in him to be successful in international level.

He needs proper guidance and mentorship, but the problem is that I don’t want him to be guided by Misbah.

Arthur was a poor head coach, but I think he would have done a very good job with him.

I would love to see someone like Andy Flower, Kirsten, Tom Moody etc. work with him.
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Andy flower and MA developed Babar but with misbah playing the double role it's a very hard job to devalop him while also bieng the head coach and also unlike babar Haider is not selfish (it's a compliment to BA) and most of the time throw his wicket away same thing was happening with northerns too where he had time to build his innings but just couldn't convert his innings to big hundreds (I just hope he develops patience in his innings than there is nothing stopping him UA,Babar and know him are the batting prodigies I just hope he goes the babar route)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haider Ali is named as the Emerging Player of the tournament <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL5?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1328775456083111936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Golden duck in his first innings of PSL6, continuing his run of bad scores.

What is happening to him :facepalm
 
He has a serious serious weakness against left armers.
Have noticed this alot. Still not rectified.
 
His non-performance today

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Wahab Riaz today after the loss to Lahore Qalandars:

The message is very clear to Haider Ali, go out there play your shots, play your natural game, there is no pressure. Go out, score runs and if you score runs you are a match-winner for us.
 
Haider Ali after his 25* in 8 ball match-winning effort

"Coming down the order at the end was not an issue for me but what was important was that I helped my side win"

"I was ready for coming in after the first wicket fell so that I could go in at whatever position the team needed me to play at"

"Shoaib Malik told me that I will get the balls in my zone, and that is what happened and we won the match"

"Shoaib Malik really helped me relax during this time, telling me that we would reach the winning score"
 
That six over extra cover was pure class, really hope he starts playing sensibly.
 
Haider showing all his haters that be can play both sides of the wicket.Brute of an innings
 
Nothing special. Every ball he faced today was right in the slot. You're not gonna 25% of the hit me balls against good teams especially in the world cup. He isn't anything special tbh. Just another spark and then back to typical pakistani way. If he can learn to build an innings by rotating the strike,that'll go a long way in his development.
Having said, he still put in the slot balls away so we'll done for today.
 
Maybe hes the finisher pakistan is looking for See ball hit ball

He seems to have an issue playing long innings at the top
 
Zaz said:
Maybe hes the finisher pakistan is looking for See ball hit ball

He seems to have an issue playing long innings at the top
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Don't think so, not yet anyway. A run rate of 10+ would be fine but when you need something like 70 off 60 we'd probably see a captulation too often at this stage of his career. Additional fielders on the boundary also poses a problem as bowlers have been setting him up even in the powerplay.

I think his best position is to just open the batting and do exactly what you said - see ball, hit ball.
 
Was brilliant yesterday. In International cricket, he hasn't found his footing yet, but he has the shots and range to succeed. He is not like Khushdil, who are one dimensional. Putting him at 5/6 could work at this stage of his career because he doesn't have to be exposed to the new ball, and he doesn't have to bat through.
 
Karachi Kings Head Coach - Johan Botha:

I think our biggest player and the player we probably need to get the most out of is [Haider] Ali. When he was with [Peshawar] Zalmi in the first couple of years, he was excellent. I thought this guy could be one of the best T20 players in the world.

So hopefully, we can get the best out of Haider Ali and if he has a really good tournament, we'll be good as a team. He is dangerous as a player and can take the game away from the opposition. The management is looking to get the best out of him.
 
He is looking really out of shape. At the age of 23 he has no excuse.

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Asad T said:
He is looking really out of shape. At the age of 23 he has no excuse.

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Yep he’s finished on his England county stint he was more interested in smoking Shisha and eating in fancy restaurants. Has zero work ethic and hunger. Will linger around in domestics for the remainder of his career. A nothing player
 
JAV12341 said:
Yep he’s finished on his England county stint he was more interested in smoking Shisha and eating in fancy restaurants. Has zero work ethic and hunger. Will linger around in domestics for the remainder of his career. A nothing player
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Yes only, literal hunger, for food.
 
JAV12341 said:
Yep he’s finished on his England county stint he was more interested in smoking Shisha and eating in fancy restaurants. Has zero work ethic and hunger. Will linger around in domestics for the remainder of his career. A nothing player
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He is becoming another Umar Akmal.

He needs to realize that once he vanishes from the system so it will be very difficult for him to regain his place. He is just taking things for granted.
 
Finally Haider Ali proved his selection right for his franchise after making a quickfire 26 off 16 deliveries to get his team home comfortably.
 
Haider ali during the post match interview said:

"If your top 3 or 4 batsmen score some runs and build partnerships, it makes things easy for the batsmen to follow, as Salman Agha and Shadab Khan did. I was expecting that if they scored above 100 runs in their partnership, it would become easy for us since Azam Khan, Faheem Ashraf, and I were yet to come to bat. They actually did and made things much easier for the batters to come."

"I can't prefer any batting number for myself; it all depends on where my team wants me to play. So, they decided today they needed a finisher, and accordingly, they sent me on that number. I always try to give my best."

"As you know Faheem Ashraf was not getting his turn to bat so frequently even though he played a good knock today and in the last game as well but today when he came to bat he gave me confidence to just stick around the wicket and we will chase this score."

"In the end, I want to say that I am improving a lot in my power-hitting abilities and for that I want to give credit to our coach, Mr. Hanif. He focused on us and we are learning a lot from him."
 
all of the sudden haider ali is looking a better player in this PSL, i think he must me utilized as an opener by Islamabad united, i am sure he can get u off with a flying start.
 
Aint no way this dude is only a year older then me. He's defo 28/29. Then again maybe it's the chubby cheeks that has aged him, ik people who are overweight tend to look older then their age. Azam Khan looks like he's 70 years older then me.
Asad T said:
He is looking really out of shape. At the age of 23 he has no excuse.

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