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Played his part yesterday with a lovely little cameo with the bat and then that memorable last over.
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To be honest that was a very poor last over, though our execution was even worse. And not impressed by his batting
To be honest that was a very poor last over, though our execution was even worse. And not impressed by his batting
He doesn't need to impress bangla fans as long as he is owning them in the match, mushy wasn't impressed with pandya too![]()
good (normal) bowler, cant bat to save his life.
Can do everything but nothing properly.
Must be persisted with cos he does have the potential.
Right. He needs to take batting more seriously. Great potential in hitting. Bowling is fine, he can bowl the filler overs effectively. Good package for an allrounder deprived country like India.
Till now, he has been more of an "in the flow" guy.
If we are in a good shape in batting, he seems to hit them.
If other bowlers have kept pressure, he comes in and delivers the filler overs (sometimes taking wickets too).
But he is yet to go against the flow which is very important. Like him batting when others are not clicking or him delivering a good spell to create pressure instead of sustaining the existing one.
He doesn't have to do both amazingly well but needs to do them somewhat in some games.
Still early days.
He is very crucial for a pace AR deprived nation.
Is he better than Maxwell?
Is he better than Maxwell?
Seriously compared to Wahab, Sami and the GiantI'm Pakistani but let's lay it out honestly:
Better bowler than anyone in the Pakistan team besides Amir.
Better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team.
You are getting too emotional after Pakistan's performance. He is not even at Anwar Ali's level yet. He still has lot to learn. He is a very good fielder though. He can be handy outside subcontinent if he improves his bowling.I'm Pakistani but let's lay it out honestly:
Better bowler than anyone in the Pakistan team besides Amir.
Better batsman than anyone in the Pakistan team.
Till now, he has been more of an "in the flow" guy.
If we are in a good shape in batting, he seems to hit them.
If other bowlers have kept pressure, he comes in and delivers the filler overs (sometimes taking wickets too).
But he is yet to go against the flow which is very important. Like him batting when others are not clicking or him delivering a good spell to create pressure instead of sustaining the existing one.
He doesn't have to do both amazingly well but needs to do them somewhat in some games.
Still early days.
He is very crucial for a pace AR deprived nation.
Seriously compared to Wahab, Sami and the Giant![]()
Disagree about flow. He came in and upped the tempo twice in the Sri Lanka series before Asia cup, when the other indian batsmen before him were completely bogged down. Did the same yesterday, came in and started smacking boundaries everywhere from the 2nd ball. If not for the brilliant catch by Sarkar, would have taken India to a winning total easily.
But yes, he's a limited batsman, bit of a slogger. and very one-dimensional bowler, but crucially is quick enough to be useful. Inspite of the poor last over, the 2 wickets fell, because the bongle batsman were a bit late on the shot both times, his pace created the wicket opportunity along with stupid shot selection.
He doesn't need to be a class bat, India can carry an inconsistent #7 even in ODIs, if he can provide those big hits on a semi-regular basis. And his bowling can only improve, you can teach variations, but you can't teach pace. Plus, a very good fielder to boot. He converted a 6 into a single against Australia in the Aus T20 with a acrobatic leap, in a game where we ended up chasing 200 successfully. Crucial play, that most will not remember. And already has taken quite a few good catches.
Excellent prospect, and can be a good role player for Indian team, where they really don't have too many options at seam-bowling all-rounder.
Of course, he is a good prospect but the examples you gave are not against the flow.
SL 1st game - We crumbled. He got out.
SL 2nd game - He walked in at 127-3 in 14 overs. Smashing it from there is good but that's not against the flow.
SL 3rd game he didn't play.
Yesterday, he was very good with the bat. Taking no credit away from him but Raina did put us in upward momentum, and he was sent up the order to start smashing everything. Him smashing then isn't an against the flow example cos there was little pressure on him and he basically could throw his bat at everything (which is what he was sent for).
My point about against the flow is simple.
He must be someone reliable that we can have confidence with the bat and ball when we are in tough spots (he doesn't have to deliver always but sometimes).
As of now, its a bit less but he can evolve so must be persisted with.
That doesn't mean he gives us the confidence right now. He doesn't.
That's just the way it is.
Yes but Pandya's role is not to play a DHoni innings in crisis. He is there to slog 15 to 20 runs and play the 3rd seamer's role. He needs to improve his bowling but somehow he has the knack of picking wickets. He is a clean hitter no doubt but needs to improve his off side game. Terrific fielder and someone who values the opportunity to play for India. Add to that his confidence. Great find for India in LOIs.
Of course, he is a good prospect but the examples you gave are not against the flow.
SL 1st game - We crumbled. He got out.
SL 2nd game - He walked in at 127-3 in 14 overs. Smashing it from there is good but that's not against the flow.
SL 3rd game he didn't play.
Yesterday, he was very good with the bat. Taking no credit away from him but Raina did put us in upward momentum, and he was sent up the order to start smashing everything. Him smashing then isn't an against the flow example cos there was little pressure on him and he basically could throw his bat at everything (which is what he was sent for).
My point about against the flow is simple.
He must be someone reliable that we can have confidence with the bat and ball when we are in tough spots (he doesn't have to deliver always but sometimes).
As of now, its a bit less but he can evolve so must be persisted with.
That doesn't mean he gives us the confidence right now. He doesn't.
That's just the way it is.
You just gave your own definition of flow differently - meaning you want him to stabilize the innings when wickets are falling. Thats fine. I think thats a valid expectation from a batting allrounder. He has not been able to do it yet - but to be fair, he was given out LBW against NZ incorrectly - would have been overturned with DRS. And he showed the right attitude, wasn't out playing a mindless slog, but was trapped on the pads with a quicker one going down leg without the turn by Santner.
I actually think your expectations are a bit inverted - his bowling is weaker than his batting - I would keep expectations higher from him as a batsman than a bowler. He's strictly a filler bowler at the moment. Maybe more useful if keeps improving. But at least the raw material is there - like I said before, he can be taught how to bowl tighter lines, variations, but you can't teach pace. And at high 130s, low 140s, that's quick enough for a 3rd or 4th seamer.
He is a good striker of the ball but to assess him as a complete batsman need to see him in ODIs and see whether he is able to construct an innings. The less said about his bowling the better. Also he has a big mouth. Recently he said Mushfiqur can't hit sixes off him. He actually thinks his bowling won India that match. Also his celebrations in that match was really tasteless. I really hope he is in the team when Bangladesh play India next. I know that a lot of the Bangladeshi players are ****** at him and are waiting to give it back to him. Should be great to watch.
Indian team is so scared of Bangladesh.Oh my my.
What happened?Bangladeshis mad at Hardik Pandya.He has made them cry twice in 3 matches.It has hurt big time.OUCH.![]()
What happened?
Apparently he has made a statement that he knew he always had a chance in that last over even after Mushfiqur hit consecutive boundaries because he knew that Mushfiq was incapable of hitting sixes.
It's that and also his celebrations during the game which were very disrespectful. It's funny that he thinks his bowling won the game and not the brainfarts from the Bangladesh batsman. And his statement is hilarious. Mushfiq has smacked some of the best bowlers in the world like Dale Steyn and Mitchell Johnson. Also he has particularly dominated Indian bowlers in the past especially in that match-winning innings in the 2012 Asia Cup. Don't know who Pandya thinks he is. Really hope he is in the Indian team when Bangladesh and India play each other next. If he gets the ball I fully expect the Bangladeshi batsmen to destroy him.
What disrespectful thing has he done?Except score 18 ball 31 in a match and then win India a last over match in a WT20?It's that and also his celebrations during the game which were very disrespectful. It's funny that he thinks his bowling won the game and not the brainfarts from the Bangladesh batsman. And his statement is hilarious. Mushfiq has smacked some of the best bowlers in the world like Dale Steyn and Mitchell Johnson. Also he has particularly dominated Indian bowlers in the past especially in that match-winning innings in the 2012 Asia Cup. Don't know who Pandya thinks he is. Really hope he is in the Indian team when Bangladesh and India play each other next. If he gets the ball I fully expect the Bangladeshi batsmen to destroy him.
What disrespectful thing has he done?Except score 18 ball 31 in a match and then win India a last over match in a WT20?
Mushfiqur is a very avg batsman not some world beater,get over it.
And no one is afraid of BD team look up your team's rankings in ICC rankings.
It's that and also his celebrations during the game which were very disrespectful. It's funny that he thinks his bowling won the game and not the brainfarts from the Bangladesh batsman. And his statement is hilarious. Mushfiq has smacked some of the best bowlers in the world like Dale Steyn and Mitchell Johnson. Also he has particularly dominated Indian bowlers in the past especially in that match-winning innings in the 2012 Asia Cup. Don't know who Pandya thinks he is. Really hope he is in the Indian team when Bangladesh and India play each other next. If he gets the ball I fully expect the Bangladeshi batsmen to destroy him.
Mushfiqur is one of their best batsmen. They are not wrong in saying so. He is mediocre at the world level but is still in their top 3. Says more about their quality of batting
U really think he's mediocre? He has improved out of sight and could walk into more than a few sides as a batsman.
Definitely will be the best batsman in the Lankan side by a country mile.
But would start from the bench on most other nations
U really think he's mediocre? He has improved out of sight and could walk into more than a few sides as a batsman.
Pandya has serious potential to be joining the ranks of forgotten cricketers of India.
Pandya has serious potential to be joining the ranks of forgotten cricketers of India.
Hopefully though the selectors and captain is not as dumb as the fans who think Pandya doesn't have it. He is among the finest LOI talents India's discovered and looking at his pace and bounce i might wanna see how he fares in tests abroad as well.
He lost it completely. He should seriously work on his batting as well as bowling. No conviction in either of them.
Right now Pandya is a poor man's Robin Singh. I would take Binny over him anyday.
He will certainly end up as the worst all rounder of all time. Horrible bowler and blind slugger and not adding his awful attitude towards the opposition. No sportsmanship at all.
What exactly did he do, somebody please clarify..
Or is it just because he proved to be the match winner in two games vs Bangladesh?![]()
What exactly did he do, somebody please clarify..
Or is it just because he proved to be the match winner in two games vs Bangladesh?![]()
Don't think so. Dhoni likes him and the prospect of playing a seam bowling allrounder in the team. Unless there is a replacement, he will be there. His record is decent in domestic ODI and T20 is decent and he is still young.
Pandya had the best strike rate out of all players in this eleven. He is their best explosive lower order hitter