Hardik Pandya has the potential to be the best all-rounder in the world

[troodon]

Comparison with KP is pretty laughworthy..

Decent fight though from Pandya.He will improve with time.

He has not improved since his debut. In fact he seems to have regressed. His bowling is average and batting is below average. Does not merit a place in the team. His brother Krunal is a much better batsman and a decent bowler.

India should try some youngsters like Sarfraz Khan, Agarawal, Iyer, Pant etc. They have much higher ceiling than this dud Hardik.

 

[Executioner]

First of all, Pandya is not a genuine allrounder.

He is a potential quality-finisher who can bowl a bit. His bowling is fairly bland.

its his finishing and big hitting skills down the order which is his strong suit.

 

[Ab Fan]

He has not improved since his debut. In fact he seems to have regressed. His bowling is average and batting is below average. Does not merit a place in the team. His brother Krunal is a much better batsman and a decent bowler.

India should try some youngsters like Sarfraz Khan, Agarawal, Iyer, Pant etc. They have much higher ceiling than this dud Hardik.

I myself find him pretty average.Can't believe how he won that game vs Ban with ball in last over by bowling full tosses and loose deliveries.

But he gives his team extra options both with bat and ball and is a great fielder.

Other names you mentioned are more of attacking opening batsmen except Sarfaraz who need to work a bit on his physique.

India are looking for attacking stroke player at 7 who can bowl fast and Pandya is a fine option at least for t20s.

Krunal Pandya is a left arm bowler and a better batsmen than a bowler and you already have Ravindra Jadeja. So no point really in playing him.

Anyways, I don't have enough expectations from him except in t20s where he would be very handy player.

 

[Executioner]

I think Rishabh Pant should be fastracked to Indian side. They did it with Kohli, they did it with Tendulkar, Ganguly, and it paid dividends.

 

[troodon]

First of all, Pandya is not a genuine allrounder.

He is a potential quality-finisher who can bowl a bit. His bowling is fairly bland.

its his finishing and big hitting skills down the order which is his strong suit.

He can only hit spinners. He is a total dud against pace bowling.

His brother Krunal is a much better batsman and looks composed while playing big shots. He is a decent bowler too.

 

[Executioner]

He can only hit spinners. He is a total dud against pace bowling.

His brother Krunal is a much better batsman and looks composed while playing big shots. He is a decent bowler too.

The issue is with having high expectations on the basis of few matches. Fans are expecting Pandya to bat like Dhoni of the past.

 

[JattMaula]

We want Pandya to bat like Kohli and bowl like Shami. And field like Rahane. And have attitude like Dravid.

 

[Ab Fan]

We want Pandya to bat like Kohli and bowl like Shami. And field like Rahane. And have attitude like Dravid.

Ashwin of tests have enhanced the expectation level of people from All Rounders now.

 

[Napa]

We want Pandya to bat like Kohli and bowl like Shami. And field like Rahane. And have attitude like Dravid.

He will do all that... and will also be a captain like Ganguly and win Tests in Australia

 

[JattMaula]

He will do all that... and will also be a captain like Ganguly and win Tests in Australia

And a series in South Africa with his 10 wicket and a century per test performance.

 

[HateKiller]

First of all, Pandya is not a genuine allrounder.

He is a potential quality-finisher who can bowl a bit. His bowling is fairly bland.

its his finishing and big hitting skills down the order which is his strong suit.

Pandya is clocking above 135 kph now-a-days. Not so bland then?

 

[Energetic]

Mehedi Hasan Miraz looks far more likely to become the next best all-rounder than Hardik Pandya from what I have seen.

 

[Napa]

And a series in South Africa with his 10 wicket and a century per test performance.

Jokes apart, he looks quite capable of scoring Test centuries. Not sure about a 10 wicket performance.

 

[Executioner]

Pandya is clocking above 135 kph now-a-days. Not so bland then?

135 wont trouble the opposition unless you have e variations. Look at bumrah

 

[Napa]

135 wont trouble the opposition unless you have e variations. Look at bumrah

Bumrah is doing quite well. For example his figures today were: 10-0-35-3

 

[Executioner]

Bumrah is doing quite well. For example his figures today were: 10-0-35-3

Exactly. He is doing well because he has variations.

Slower ball, Yorker you name it. Pandya doesnt

 

[cricketjoshila]

First of all, Pandya is not a genuine allrounder.

He is a potential quality-finisher who can bowl a bit. His bowling is fairly bland.

its his finishing and big hitting skills down the order which is his strong suit.

How many bowl a bit players BD has who can clock 140plus?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Pandaya is a special player. He can be as valuable to the ODI team as Ashwin is to our Test team.

 

[honeybadger]

Mediocre. Someone like him shouldn't even be in the sniffing distance of Team India.

 

[Executioner]

How many bowl a bit players BD has who can clock 140plus?

In our international setup we don't have any. We have fair share of spin bowling all-rounders.

The truth is batting + pace bowling is a very difficult job. Look at Mathews or Peters or even Anwar Ali. Their bowling isn't penetrative.

Pandya should be focusing on batting, he has the talent for that. Almost won India the match yesterday

 

[Sidilicious]

I am surprised that people are writing off Pandya already. He has the basic skill set of becoming a good all rounder in ODIs.

He can bowl 10 overs. Can be a tad bit expensive, but hopefully he can add some variations and in the long run bowl 10 overs without conceding too many and picking up a lucky wicket or two in the middle.

He can hit the ball, and seems to have a brain and the never say attitude. He just needs to improve his technique slightly, and can fulfil the role of a hard hitting no.7 and finisher.

Most importantly, the kid seems to have the temperament and the fighting attitude which makes him so valuable.

Will he become the next Kapil Dev? No
Will he be a test all rounder? No

But if he can improve that little bit, he could take become a game changer for India in terms of the balance it would allow the Indian team. He will not become that player by champions trophy next year. But if he works on the small issues and gets the faith from the team management, come 2019 WC in England, he could make a huge difference for India.

As for his brother. I dont follow the IPL so I dont know how good he is. But India has always been blessed decent spin all rounders. Or batsmen who can ball a few of overs in LOIs, or spinners who can bat. Yuvraj, Sachin, Ashwin, Jadeja, Raina, Sehwag. Even Kumble and Harbhajan were no mugs with the bat and have won India matches due to their lower order batting. But finding a good medium pace all rounder has been next to impossible. Thats why, I believe Hardik Pandya should be persisted with.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Is he a bowler who can bat?

Or a batsman who can bowl?

I want him to succeed but didn't like the way he was playing hack shots last innings.

 

[JattMaula]

Is he a bowler who can bat?

Or a batsman who can bowl?

I want him to succeed but didn't like the way he was playing hack shots last innings.

He is ALL-ROUNDER who can bowl and bat.

 

[Executioner]

He is ALL-ROUNDER who can bowl and bat.

I think the word you are looking for is "genuine all-rounder". A genuine all-rounder is someone who deserves selection based on either discipline

There is only a few of them currently: Shakib, Ashwin in test, Andre Russell, Shane Watson. Hafeez before being called was a genuine all-rounder in LoIs.

 

[JattMaula]

I think the word you are looking for is "genuine all-rounder". A genuine all-rounder is someone who deserves selection based on either discipline

There is only a few of them currently: Shakib, Ashwin in test, Andre Russell, Shane Watson. Hafeez before being called was a genuine all-rounder in LoIs.

A "genuine" all-rounder is ultra rare. Most of the today all-rounder are developing over time. Only Shakib from you list is genuine.

Yes, Pandya doesn't fit the bill in any discipline yet.

 

[Executioner]

A "genuine" all-rounder is ultra rare. Most of the today all-rounder are developing over time. Only Shakib from you list is genuine.

Yes, Pandya doesn't fit the bill in any discipline yet.

I feel Ashwin is a genuine all-rounder in test on the basis of his batting performance.

True that genuine all-rounder is rare. Shakib the only quality genuine all-rounder. Andrew Flintoff, Zulu were awesome all-rounder back in the days. It's really hard to be an all-rounder these days. Most all-rounders are bits and pieces

 

[dauntless]

The shot he played when he got out was one of the worst shot I have ever seen proper tennis ball shot!!He can improve definitely.His attitude is also not good!!

 

[Thivagar]

He has not improved since his debut. In fact he seems to have regressed. His bowling is average and batting is below average. Does not merit a place in the team. His brother Krunal is a much better batsman and a decent bowler.

India should try some youngsters like Sarfraz Khan, Agarawal, Iyer, Pant etc. They have much higher ceiling than this dud Hardik.

His snapchat videos are definitively improving. He used to post snap stories of him while you could still see his underwear on ground. Now he only posts lavish stories.

 

[joly]

Stamps his authority as the best pace bowling all rounder from the sub continent yet again ( Not a very competitive spot anyways)
Always had the reputation of being the biggest hitter in India,but showed tremendous maturity today and bowled exceptionally well,well done kid

 

[Madplayer]

Stamps his authority as the best pace bowling all rounder from the sub continent yet again ( Not a very competitive spot anyways)
Always had the reputation of being the biggest hitter in India,but showed tremendous maturity today and bowled exceptionally well,well done kid

Only because Amir yamin isnt being selected for Pakistan.

And you forgot Matthews.

 

[Pollack]

He has temperament but throws it away in the end.He is not a talented batsman though.He can and should improve if he has to stay.

 

[Saurav]

Looked really ugly with the bat.Lucky to survive.

But going good with the ball

 

[Zak_Fan]

Pandaya's bowling is very underrated. Will be India's trump card at Champion's Trophy.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Looked really ugly with the bat.Lucky to survive.

But going good with the ball

He was sent at the wrong position. His role should be to play 12 balls and smash as many as he can.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not sure how I feel about him.

His batting is way too hackish and risk prone for my liking.

Excellent game today though.

 

[Sidilicious]

Not sure how I feel about him.

His batting is way too hackish and risk prone for my liking.

Excellent game today though.

He is not going to be a test all rounder. But if he can hold his nerve like today, we will do well.

 

[joly]

Only because Amir yamin isnt being selected for Pakistan.

And you forgot Matthews.

Mathews is slow medium and an excellent bat, takes 2 wickets every 3 games and in 180 ODIS have bowled less than 5 overs per match on an avg,mainly a batsman

 

[Rightarmfast]

Pandya bowls around 90mph, and bats more than decent. Not sure what that comparison with Mathews is for.

 

[Sin Nombre]

He also just turned 22 and Dravid rates him.

He does give the impression of a total hack though.

 

[JaDed]

Pandya bowls around 90mph, and bats more than decent. Not sure what that comparison with Mathews is for.

?? HE is moved to 90s now? was around 85-87 last.

 

[JattMaula]

He also just turned 22 and Dravid rates him.

He does give the impression of a total hack though.

We are so used to straight bat and high elbow that we can't really rate a batsman with substandard technique.

I really really don't like his technique but I have seen enough batting in my life to know that he will get enough runs in International career. He will never hit 200 ball 60 to save a test but he will maintain 30+ batting average.

 

[Statsman]

Not sold on him. I somehow see some big phainties with the ball and some low scores for him in future and people starting to call for his ouster. Hope I'm proven wrong though.

 

[JattMaula]

Not sold on him. I somehow see some big phainties with the ball and some low scores for him in future and people starting to call for his ouster. Hope I'm proven wrong though.

People will be people but we gotta have a pace bowling all-rounder.

 

[street cricketer]

Don't give a damn if he flops in jamodis.

Just want him to develop into a decent test all rounder. Need not be great, but just a player who chips in with good performances with bat and the ball from time to time. Would lend immense balance to our test team.

A quality strike bowler and a good seam bowling all rounder are the missing pieces in our jigsaw puzzle.

 

[street cricketer]

I like Dhoni and Kohli's policy of giving him game time and trusting him with the new ball.

Different formats obviously but will do a world of good to him in test cricket when he debuts..

 

[Statsman]

I like Dhoni and Kohli's policy of giving him game time and trusting him with the new ball.

Different formats obviously but will do a world of good to him in test cricket when he debuts..

Does he have the patience for test cricket?
As in can he bowl on a good line and length for considerable spells or help draw a test match with the bat? I haven't followed him much in domestics so don't know.

 

[JattMaula]

Does he have the patience for test cricket?
As in can he bowl on a good line and length for considerable spells or help draw a test match with the bat? I haven't followed him much in domestics so don't know.

Not yet matured enough but that's why teams have seniors and coaches.

 

[Pollack]

Does he have the patience for test cricket?
As in can he bowl on a good line and length for considerable spells or help draw a test match with the bat? I haven't followed him much in domestics so don't know.

He can be a very good test bowler even more so than odi. The lentghs he bowl can be uselful on pitches offering a slight more bounce.He usually bowls slight less than good length(shortish)
Does not have much variation.Can bowl specific line and length religiously and irritate batsman.

 

[street cricketer]

Does he have the patience for test cricket?
As in can he bowl on a good line and length for considerable spells or help draw a test match with the bat? I haven't followed him much in domestics so don't know.

I think he'll be a better test all rounder than an LOI one.

Bowls good lines and hits nice lengths at decent pace. Played a very good innings under pressure against Australia A with his side reeling after a first innings collapse. Again, we don't need him to be Botham or Flintoff. Jist need him to be a decent all rounder for us which will help a long way in overseas matches. We desperately lacked the 5th bowler a lot in our last overseas tours when we got the top order out but struggled to close out the lower order.

 

[Sin Nombre]

We are so used to straight bat and high elbow that we can't really rate a batsman with substandard technique.

I really really don't like his technique but I have seen enough batting in my life to know that he will get enough runs in International career. He will never hit 200 ball 60 to save a test but he will maintain 30+ batting average.

There are lots of players in modern cricket with substandard cricket with 30+ batting averages so I hope you are right and Hardik is one of them.

Agree with the other comments that he will be a better bowler in tests as long as we can find a partner for Shami.

Shami + 1 (Bhuvi in England/odd test in SA and NZ) + Hardik + Jadeja + Ashwin/Kuldeep will be a potent threat on most pitches.

 

[troodon]

Still not sold on Pandya. He is a hack both with bat and ball.

Would rather select someone like Pant to bolster our batting. Play Raina who can bowl 10 overs. He will give away the same number of runs as Pandya. I can at least trust Raina's batting.

 

[Sin Nombre]

We need to select Pant in LOI cricket anyways.

Make him play FC cricket for another couple of seasons to improve his keeping but he appears quite ready for international LOI cricket.


The reason we talk about Pandya is the need to have a pace all-rounder. Neither Pant nor Raina are that.

 

[joly]

?? HE is moved to 90s now? was around 85-87 last.

bowled many a deliveries at 146 kph regularly as top speed,avg is around 87 mph

 

[Bilal7]

Average cricketer who has the attitude of a KP or Warne. Don't expect him to have a long international career.

 

[90MPH]

I'm still unsure about his bowling and esp batting.

He seems to lack patience and a bit of wit but no doubt he's got the ability to go far so jury is still out.

Overall it's good to have a balanced cricketer and that too a medium fast bowler who can bat well.

 

[Syed1]

Average cricketer who has the attitude of a KP or Warne. Don't expect him to have a long international career.

Exactly how I feel. He definitely has attitude problems. I wouldn't mind someone putting him in his place.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Good prospect. Showed good poise to finish the last game with the bat. can also bowl up to 88 mph which he did in nz series. has seemed to reduce it for greater control(arguable if succesful). we'll see how he progresses but i'm excited.

 

[bala977]

Exactly how I feel. He definitely has attitude problems. I wouldn't mind someone putting him in his place.

What is the basis for this accusation? As far as I know, no one in the know has raised it - why are you speculating?

Team India isn't Pakistan. Aggressive? Yes. Attitude? No.

 

[JattMaula]

Good prospect. Showed good poise to finish the last game with the bat. can also bowl up to 88 mph which he did in nz series. has seemed to reduce it for greater control(arguable if succesful). we'll see how he progresses but i'm excited.

Hasn't actually reduced it. He was always 85+mph bowler with 90mph effort ball. In past he used to overdo the faster one.

 

[joly]

What is the basis for this accusation? As far as I know, no one in the know has raised it - why are you speculating?

Team India isn't Pakistan. Aggressive? Yes. Attitude? No.

lol those 122 kph Phaaast bowlers Imran,Sohail,Junaid showing attitude is so funny

On topic Pandya does bat like a hack but can actually hit it big,bowling and fielding is awesome,a genuine wicket taker like Mohammad Shami

 

[joly]

Played a quickfire knock,what more you want,well played

 

[jeetu]

decent effot today with bat 19*(9)

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Good effort.

 

[joly]

Now boasts of an avg of 52 with a strike of 114 in ODIS, a strike rate of 35 with the ball @ 5.3 RPO, we at India take it

 

[street cricketer]

The one thing that gives me hope is that his shots are not hackish and always presents the full face of the bat even while hitting sixes and fours. There is a classical touch to his drives down the ground.

That coupled with the good lengths he hits while bowling gives me hope that he can make it as a test all rounder. If he can be a poor man's Stokes, that would be immense for us in the longer format.

 

[joly]

Top speed 143 KPH so far

 

[Saurav]

Exactly how I feel. He definitely has attitude problems. I wouldn't mind someone putting him in his place.

Same was said of Kohli

 

[Syed1]

Same was said of Kohli

And he has improved tremendously. Also Kohli is/was one of the greatest batting talent ever and it makes sense for him to have a little attitude/swagger.

 

[Bilal7]

Same was said of Kohli

Not anymore and notice how he has taken his game to a different level.

 

[Saurav]

Not anymore and notice how he has taken his game to a different level.

Thats what I mean.Pandya can improve the same way.Attitude isnt the reason to bash someone if hes perforiming

 

[jusarrived]

The guy is definitely gifted , hes got a very good hand eye coordination , needs to cut down on the hackish shots .No complains about his bowling , I have seen it improve with every game and seems to know his strenghts , contrary to his batting .

I agree about his batting , if he wasnt playing for India I would not have liked him . Has that really annoying face . Virat was never like that .

 

[Executioner]

I think he is more of a Chris Morris than say Andrew Flintoff or Kapil Dev.

Useful finisher

 

[Executioner]

he would have been ideal player for Bangladesh LoI side. We need someone at 8 who can wack it a few and bowl some overs of Pace here and there.

We are a side with 7 full fledged batsman non wanting to bat down the order and finish for the sidr

 

[Syed1]

ATG Alrounder going at over rpo at the moment

 

[Syed1]

ATG Alrounder now going at 10 rpo, 60 runs from his 6 overs and wicketless.

 

[street cricketer]

What's up with the Pandya hate..

He's a line and length bowler and doesn't know variations. He will be useless on belters where more experienced bowlers like Stokes and Plunkett have gone at 9 an over.

Like I said, he'll be a better test all rounder than LOI one. I don't give a damn if he doesn't play ODIs at all. We desperately need a pace bowling AR and he is the only guy who can fulfill that role..

 

[Drreddymd]

ATG Alrounder now going at 10 rpo, 60 runs from his 6 overs and wicketless.

He bowls absolute filth every game. U and i can bowl better than this garbage player who is more show off than substance in both batting and bowling. I cant get the hype this guy gets from so many posters here. He is binny 2 and binny is a better batsman than him. He is a specialist fielder in our team like rizwan

 

[joly]

Had a bad day today with the ball like most bowlers, saved 20+ runs on the field though,will be a nice learning opportunity,consistently bowled 88 MPH + today although got tonked

 

[Drreddymd]

India huffed and puffed to win the game. Even as an indian i am dusgusted with the pitches we lay down for odis and t 20s. There is nothing there for the bowlers . at least play a day game where there will be something for fast and slow bowlers

 

[troodon]

What's up with the Pandya hate..

He's a line and length bowler and doesn't know variations. He will be useless on belters where more experienced bowlers like Stokes and Plunkett have gone at 9 an over.

Like I said, he'll be a better test all rounder than LOI one. I don't give a damn if he doesn't play ODIs at all. We desperately need a pace bowling AR and he is the only guy who can fulfill that role..

Then he better play only in IPL or stick to gully cricket.

Most LOI pitches are super flat and any bowler who does not know how to bowl a yorker/slower ball/bouncer are bound to be destroyed on most occasions.

Pandya has no variations. He does not have a go to ball. The only stock ball he has is, bowl gun barrel straight and read Hanuman Chalisa.