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Hardik Pandya has the potential to be the best all-rounder in the world

ofcourse he wouldn't have hit sixes against Pak pacers but he was looking great against spin. Pakistan always need to play 4 pacers against India.
 
member250 said:
ofcourse he wouldn't have hit sixes against Pak pacers but he was looking great against spin. Pakistan always need to play 4 pacers against India.
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If he is settled, I can assure you he can play fast bowler well as well, the thing is he picks his bowlers.
 
Really good innings from him today, and brilliant bowling for the most part. He certainly has potential to be one of the top ARs.
 
He is an incredible hitter and a fighter. Next Indian captain.
 
Very impressed with Hardik's batting and he did hammer the spinners, but he looked comfortable against Hassan Ali for the short stint he played against him.

However, his bowling doesn't look anything great and will be a liability with the ball.
 
If you feed him spin, he will hit you all day long.
Bad captaincy from Sarfraz not to give Aamir 2 overs at Pandya.
 
I've become a fan of him now, I ridiculed him when I saw him for the very first time because of his mediocre domestic stats but under Kohli he's worked super hard on himself to become the player he is. Fielding is electric and if he works on his bowling a little bit more then he can become one of the best AR's in the world.
 
Seeing him in the domestic T20 tournament, IPL and practice match vs BD, I would say that he doesn't have any obvious weakness against the pacers.

He hit Rubel, Taskin and Fizz easily on the way to an 80 odd score vs BD the other day.
 
Looked good enough to get in the team on his bowling or batting alone

Think india have a gem of an allrounder
 
His bowling had zip today. While batting, he looks unfussed by the situation and is very composed, hits big easily. Fielding is electric. Him and Krunal Pandya are the ones to look forward to for India I guess. Could be great no 6 and no 7.
 
Don't know or care whether Pandya would have been able to win for India but he surely was batting like a hulk and that innings was something. We could have witnessed something outstanding but alas Jadeja couldn't be intelligent enough to sacrifice his wicket for Pandya. Jadeja needs to be dropped for lack of brains with proper press conference where they reveal why he is dropped. :)))
 
Pollack said:
He has hit pacers in domestics.
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Big difference between Indian domestic pacers and International pacers.

Most of his sixes in the champions trophy have come off spinners.
He has hit one of a Sri Lankan pacer then got out next ball trying to hit another six.
 
Only second to Russel in my honest opinion when it comes to striking. They're both super athletes. Russel's got more muscle but Pandya's got more length.
 
DHONI183 said:
If the dust has settled on the romantic posts, news articles and expert opinions on Hardik Pandya, I´d like to state something.

After someone like Sehwag and Yuvraj, he´s a rare kind of Indian batsmen and one of the few who can hit from ball one and do not require any amount of time to get their eye in. That deserves respect and is kind of an achievement amidst most of his other fellow batsmen. He´s seriously good on that front and can be useful for India, however, the all-rounder tag is something that I´m not going to buy into just as yet.

Admitted that he has bowled well mostly in the recent times, but the problem is that, especially in big games like yesterday against Sri Lanka and the semi-final against the West Indies last year, teams target him easily if they need to, literally without breaking a sweat, and set their run-rate aright on his bowling. This is something that I´m afraid will be exploited by other teams with capable batting line-ups.

Being a bowling option alone doesn´t make you an all-rounder or a great or the best all-rounder, being a good bowling option that your captain can rely on certainly does. The thing with him right now is, he has a great day if other bowlers too are having, and if they aren´t or consistent breakthroughs by others haven´t been provided, he becomes literally a nothing bowler or in fact a target for other teams. Now this isn´t what I´d associate with the likes of Flintoff or now Stokes for England, or even the very capable Kapil Dev of India from the past.

Kohli seriously needs to think about his fifth bowling option.
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My comment might still stand valid in the long run, but yesterday he proved every bit of comment wrong on his bowling. When all others got spanked around, Pandya alongside Bhuvneshwar were the only two guys who proved hard to get away. He bowled well yesterday, and had he had a bad day, Kohli might´ve been looking at a 360+ target, easily. His hitting was fabulous of course. His batting sure does hold a future, but I´d like to wait a bit more on his bowling.
 
Been a huge critic of Pandya. I am sold now.

What a talent and find for India. His batting is top class and bowling is pretty good for a 5th bowler.

He should feature in every OFI and T20 for India from now on.

In overseas tours, he should feature in Tests too. Can be a game changer with both bat and ball.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
His bowling had zip today. While batting, he looks unfussed by the situation and is very composed, hits big easily. Fielding is electric. Him and Krunal Pandya are the ones to look forward to for India I guess. Could be great no 6 and no 7.
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:))) Both pandyas combined could do 5th bowler job. seems funny
Advantage is both are big hitters if they do not get out in first 15 balls.
Reminds me of Irfan and his brother pathan ( i forgot his name).
 
He will be a good all-rounder, but in yesterday Match I wouldn't feed him his best food. I would have gone with Amir, Junaid and Hasan against him.

Plus I would never add two spinners against India, NEVER.

I should have added Roman or Faheem for Imad.

Plus I beg to Sania Mirza ask Shoaib Malik to spend some time at home, He's just wasting his family time in cricket field. No make sense to keep him in Team Now.

Pakistan should focus more on PSL to find 2-3 good batsmen as soon as possible.
 
He has impressed me a lot, he bowls very well and his hitting is excellent.
 
Needs to work on his bowling which I think needs more variety.
 
troodon said:
Been a huge critic of Pandya. I am sold now.

What a talent and find for India. His batting is top class and bowling is pretty good for a 5th bowler.

He should feature in every OFI and T20 for India from now on.

In overseas tours, he should feature in Tests too. Can be a game changer with both bat and ball.
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Glad we can now end our argument about the value of Pandya. With your approval, he won't be reciting the Hanuman Chalisa anymore :)
 
He is what Anwar Ali would be if he could go super saiyan.
 
That was actually bad captaincy on that part from Sarfaraz. He looked good against inexperienced spinner like Shadab and an spinner who never bowled in internationals before that is Fakhar.

I bet he wouldn't last against Aamir/Hasan Ali/Junaid and sure as hell wouldnt have made the remaining 180 runs on his own :yk
 
Finisher said:
Big difference between Indian domestic pacers and International pacers.

Most of his sixes in the champions trophy have come off spinners.
He has hit one of a Sri Lankan pacer then <b>got out next ball trying to hit another six.</b>
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Longest boundary and the wind was against him.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He should be dropped whenever we go abroad.
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Let's not go overboard criticizing Jadeja. He is an integral part of the team that got India to the #1 Test ranking, and is the #1 ranked Test bowler. He will be in the Test team for a long time.
 
Napa said:
Glad we can now end our argument about the value of Pandya. With your approval, he won't be reciting the Hanuman Chalisa anymore :)
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No shame in admitting the mistake. What I saw in CT was a different Pandya. The way he was batting against Pak, I have not seen an Indian lower order bat in a long long time. The confidence he had against spin and even against Pacers, he was easily striking the ball for singles. Not troubled at all.

I am tempted to promote Pandya to No.4 if India gets a good start for some quick runs. He can take the game away from opposition in no time.

Pandya is a gem of a find for India. India should invest more in him. Exciting times a head. This guy can nicely balance the team which India has been lacking for decades now.

The only thing Pandya needs to develop is a well disguised slower one and a decent yorker. Even without it, he has good enough pace to bowl to keep the batsmen honest.
 
Saj said:
Needs to work on his bowling which I think needs more variety.
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He's actually added a lot of variety to his bowling since his debut. In the 2016 T20WC he was either a length ball or bouncer bowler. He's leart a lot in the few months since. Still a work in progress, but making good progress !
 
troodon said:
No shame in admitting the mistake. What I saw in CT was a different Pandya. The way he was batting against Pak, I have not seen an Indian lower order bat in a long long time. The confidence he had against spin and even against Pacers, he was easily striking the ball for singles. Not troubled at all.

I am tempted to promote Pandya to No.4 if India gets a good start for some quick runs. He can take the game away from opposition in no time.

Pandya is a gem of a find for India. India should invest more in him. Exciting times a head. This guy can nicely balance the team which India has been lacking for decades now.

The only thing Pandya needs to develop is a well disguised slower one and a decent yorker. Even without it, he has good enough pace to bowl to keep the batsmen honest.
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You wanted a a well disguised slower one and Pandya has delivered. Has developed the knuckle ball.
 
LegendAli said:
I want to sense the sarcasm in Anwar Ali but something tells me you're serious?
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I am serious, Anwar has helped Pak win 2 ICC trophies bro. In one he bowled the greatest U-19 bowling spell in cricket history and in the other he made dua for the team which secured us our Silverware in CT 2017. Pandya has still quite a long way to go.
 
The_Odd_One said:
How did you miss Sohail Tanvir?
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Sohail only has 1 silverware (2009 WT20) in which he moderately participated while making dua for 2017 one. For Anwar, it was major participation in 2006 with Dua in 2017 ~ Hence Anwar being the benchmark.
 
JattMaula said:
You wanted a a well disguised slower one and Pandya has delivered. Has developed the knuckle ball.
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Saw that. Surprised how effective it was. Totally foxed Glenn Maxwell(I think).

Only thing he is missing is a Yorker. Should learn it from Bumrah and BK who are pretty good at it.

I still rate his bowling over his batting. He can hit huge sixes against spinners. But he needs to control his aggression if he wants to become more reliable.

Our middle order is still weak. This will give Pandya plenty of occasions where he comes to bat around 30th over. If he cannot control his aggression, he will be like Afridi. Indian fans expect more than just slogging. He is on the right track of course.
 
troodon said:
Saw that. Surprised how effective it was. Totally foxed Glenn Maxwell(I think).

Only thing he is missing is a Yorker. Should learn it from Bumrah and BK who are pretty good at it.

I still rate his bowling over his batting. He can hit huge sixes against spinners. But he needs to control his aggression if he wants to become more reliable.

Our middle order is still weak. This will give Pandya plenty of occasions where he comes to bat around 30th over. If he cannot control his aggression, he will be like Afridi. Indian fans expect more than just slogging. He is on the right track of course.
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Exactly right from the start I saw a huge potential in Pandya's bowling and I am still quite sure he would be more lethal bowler than batsman in future. Of course that doesn't mean his batting would be poor but just that he has at the moment looking at his technique more potential in bowling.
 
troodon said:
Saw that. Surprised how effective it was. Totally foxed Glenn Maxwell(I think).

Only thing he is missing is a Yorker. Should learn it from Bumrah and BK who are pretty good at it.

I still rate his bowling over his batting. He can hit huge sixes against spinners. But he needs to control his aggression if he wants to become more reliable.

Our middle order is still weak. This will give Pandya plenty of occasions where he comes to bat around 30th over. If he cannot control his aggression, he will be like Afridi. Indian fans expect more than just slogging. He is on the right track of course.
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Our middle order is indeed poor but that may change once Pandey and Rahul get some experience. And Pandya is developing into a reliable 3rd/4th seam bowler so we can afford to play 5 pure batters. 5bat+dhoni+Pandya+any 4 bowlers.
 
His bowling has improved vastly,being a 5th bowler he's trying some variations and clocking fairly well

But i still believe his batting is a fluke.....
 
‘It does not make any difference where I bat’: Hardik Pandya unfazed by promotion

Hardik Pandya’s big-hitting abilities have earned him widespread praise in recent times but the India all-rounder, on Sunday, said that it is a skill he acquired since his childhood days. In the ongoing series against Australia, Pandya, on two occasions, turned the tide in India’s favour with his big-hitting abilities.

During the first One-day International in Chennai, Pandya targeted leg-spinner Adam Zampa, taking him to the cleaners en route to a whirlwind 66-ball 83 with his side in trouble. In the series-clinching ODI at Indore, he launched into left-arm spinner Ashton Agar, smashing four sixes off him

When asked if his blistering 76-run knock against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final was the turning point for him, Pandya disagreed, “If you want to think that way, you can, I have no problems. I played well in the IPL before that. Last year’s IPL wasn’t great for me, so I worked hard, and the form came back.

And I used to hit sixes before too, it’s just that I am hitting them at a higher level [International stage] now. I have been hitting sixes since childhood otherwise,” Pandya said. “So whatever you say, if you say [the] Pakistan [match] changed my game, so be it. I have no problem,” he added.

Pandya’s 78-run knock came at a time when India had lost four wickets in quick time. Pandya said he strategically chose his shots. Steve Smith dropped a catch at a crucial juncture in the game as Pandya miscued a lofted shot, “It’s not just about hitting. It’s pretty important that I read the game. That time [in Chennai] I thought that Zampa was bowling and I knew that I could hit a six off him anytime I wanted to.

That’s why I waited till the seventh over and then I got the opportunity to change the momentum and eventually one over changed the momentum in that game,” he said. “I tried and it came out pretty well. That’s just my thinking. It’s about being positive and backing yourself. If I feel like, I go for it. I read the situation and go for it.”


Batting position ‘doesn’t make a difference’

Pandya, who has been India’s designated number seven batsman, was promoted to four on Sunday, “It does not make any difference where I bat,” Pandya asserted. “Rather than seeing this as a challenge, I see this as an opportunity to do something nice for the team. When I was told I was going to go out to bat next, I was happy. This is the first time I played so many balls, so it was great,” he said. He added, “The message was always simple. Play your game, however you play. I can play all kinds of innings. Obviously the plan was to target the spinners and it came out pretty well.”

Expectations have risen on the back of Pandya’s recent exploits. The Gujarat all-rounder says he is not too worried by it: “I don’t think that much. I focus only on the things, which I can focus and right now I am just playing my cricket. I just back myself and if you back yourself, you always come out on top. I mean you can’t score everyday but yeah, backing yourself is pretty important,” he said. As for the run chase, the unfazed 23-year-old said that was only a “matter of spending more time”.

https://thefield.scroll.in/851833/i...here-i-bat-hardik-pandya-unfazed-by-promotion
 
The OP said Pandya has the "potential", I would say at this point he already is the best all rounder among current players. Next best would be Stokes. If I had to choose who to include in the team, it would be a close competition between the two.
 
Napa said:
The OP said Pandya has the "potential", I would say at this point he already is the best all rounder among current players. Next best would be Stokes. If I had to choose who to include in the team, it would be a close competition between the two.
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pandya has done nothing yet to be considered better than stokes

stoke has a 250 in south africa, test hundred in australia etc. with the ball pandya is yet to produce spells like stokes.

stokes has been the best all rounder for 2-3 yrs now while pandya is only starting to make a name for himself

a couple of yrs down the line pandya can overtake him but not now
 
Leo23 said:
pandya has done nothing yet to be considered better than stokes

stoke has a 250 in south africa, test hundred in australia etc. with the ball pandya is yet to produce spells like stokes.

stokes has been the best all rounder for 2-3 yrs now while pandya is only starting to make a name for himself

a couple of yrs down the line pandya can overtake him but not now
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I agree Stokes' lifetime body of work is more impressive but I am going by current form. Pandya has been the major reason India is 3-0 ahead of Australia and the resulting #1 ranking in ODIs. He was MoM in the first and third games.
 
Let this guy accomplish something in test cricket before even considering him among the ranks of Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes and Shakib-ul-Hasan
 
I am actually worried as a Pakistani fan, this Indian team has the potential to be like the Aussies of 2000s
 
waleed88 said:
I am actually worried as a Pakistani fan, this Indian team has the potential to be like the Aussies of 2000s
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I'd be worried if i was an Indian fan. This Pakistan team has the potential to dish out 90s level phaintees to India again in the near future :)

Watch 73-52 become 100-60 in the future ....
 
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babajee said:
I'd be worried if i was an Indian fan. This Pakistan team has the potential to dish out 90s level phaintees to India again in the near future :)

Watch 73-52 become 100-60 in the future ....
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Looking at past few years, India played Pakistan on average once or twice a year, so for in order to reach 100-60, they need to play total of 35 games and that would take around 17 years or so. Thats pretty long time....

Tbh, India-Pakistan rivarly is dead and buried.
And thanks for the phainty on 18th June. It have done wonders for us, victory would've prolonged the career of some of our oldies. This post Champions trophy team is looking different and better than the one that played the final.
 
babajee said:
I'd be worried if i was an Indian fan. This Pakistan team has the potential to dish out 90s level phaintees to India again in the near future :)

Watch 73-52 become 100-60 in the future ....
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Haha :p
But luckily for Indians they won't play us too much in next 6 years (till Sarfraz is captain).
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Haha :p
But luckily for Indians they won't play us too much in next 6 years (till Sarfraz is captain).
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Given that India has won 75% of the encounters in the last decade, I think your confidence is a bit misplaced.
 
if he can keep performing few more series, he will definitely be in contention for ODI best all rounder. Still very far away for tests
 
Napa said:
I agree Stokes' lifetime body of work is more impressive but I am going by current form. Pandya has been the major reason India is 3-0 ahead of Australia and the resulting #1 ranking in ODIs. He was MoM in the first and third games.
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well current form doesn't mean the last game

stokes's form has been far from shabby too. he scored test hundreds vs south africa,west indies and decimated australia in the champions trophy. has produced some good spells as well.

both on current form and career stokes > pandya
 
Sangakara is aboard the pandya hype train :srini
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI">@BCCI</a> seemed to canter to the series win. <a href="https://twitter.com/hardikpandya7">@hardikpandya7</a> is a very special player. India looks a complete side for all conditions</p>— Kumar Sangakkara (@KumarSanga2) <a href="https://twitter.com/KumarSanga2/status/911988955943510018">September 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Leo23 said:
well current form doesn't mean the last game

stokes's form has been far from shabby too. he scored test hundreds vs south africa,west indies and decimated australia in the champions trophy. has produced some good spells as well.

both on current form and career stokes > pandya
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Stokes is definitely a better player , hes a more complete batsmen . Pandya though looks more dangerous with the bat at the moment .
 
CanadianG00se said:
Looking at past few years, India played Pakistan on average once or twice a year, so for in order to reach 100-60, they need to play total of 35 games and that would take around 17 years or so. Thats pretty long time....

Tbh, India-Pakistan rivarly is dead and buried.
And thanks for the phainty on 18th June. It have done wonders for us, victory would've prolonged the career of some of our oldies. This post Champions trophy team is looking different and better than the one that played the final.
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I agree. After an absolute thrashing in the finals of the Champions Trophy, the Indo-Pak rivalry has come to its conclusion, with Pakistan the clear winner. India gave us a tough fight though.

I don't see how this team is any different from the one that played in the CT final. Apart from UV, who else has been discarded? Ashwin and Jadeja are going to return.
 
We should not be comparing Pandya with Stokes, Symonds, Flintoff or anyone (or even Kapil). The thing is he has brought such a brilliant balance to our "Indian" team, that's it. That's the point. Such type of player was needed even for our 2011 team, well he was even more needed for that 2003 team (could have played him in place of Dinesh Mongia and accommodated another batsman or proper spinner. At least we would have escaped humiliating defeat, and who knows even we were red hot in that tourney and we could have upset Australia just like how Pak did to us in CT!). So Pandya's value will be understood to only who is concerned about team India's balance. Pandya can do to India more than what Stokes can do to England! England doesn't have the top order like India and Spin power like India. So Pandya will play such a vital role for India by negating the need of third seamer + 7th batsman + he gives the option to play proper 2nd spinner instead of part-time spinner! Stokes may also have done that (probably even better) to Indian team if he hailed from India, but he belongs to England and we have to give credit to Pandya for emerging and for being a player like him coming from India where such breed is a scarcity! So Stokes's role in not critical for England, maybe he can come up with impressive performances and stats on personal note! BTW didn't he lose a finals for England in T20 World Cup? On the other hand Pandya gave some consolation for Indian team in CT finals! If Pandya was seasoned like today (he was newbie then) in that T20 Semi against West Indies, we wouldn't have risked to make spinners & Kohli to bowl the death overs! Anyhow lets leave that because our bowling unit & team balance is completely different now under Kohli compared to Dhoni... Just that I am trying to explain how it feels for Indians to find a player like Pandya and that emotion is what drives us to tell that he is the best alrounder in the world and compare with everyone, instead of just talking about how it helped the team balance (Particularly India! Indian team will look completely different with just this balance! Because then we have the luxury of playing extra batsman, spinner or whatever as I explained! And then the impact of our strong batting order, spinners will get multiplied!) But only thing is lets wish that he doesn't disappoint us like Irfan Pathan, Robin Singh, Sanjay Bangar :)) after some promise! But definitely he has shown more promise than all those guys so far and looks like going a long way!
 
He is not on the level of Stokes yet but is on same level as Woakes. Pandya better batsman and Woakes a better bowler.

It pains me to see Australia discard Mitchell Marsh. He could have easily been on the same level as Pandya and others by now.
 
Extra_Cover said:
He is not on the level of Stokes yet but is on same level as Woakes. Pandya better batsman and Woakes a better bowler.

It pains me to see Australia discard Mitchell Marsh. He could have easily been on the same level as Pandya and others by now.
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Lol Mitch Matsh is the worst player Australia has produced in last decade... even worse than Mathew Wade...
Marcus Stoinis is 1000 times better than him.... Even Pat Cummins is a better batsman than Marsh
 
UN talkz said:
Lol Mitch Matsh is the worst player Australia has produced in last decade... even worse than Mathew Wade...
Marcus Stoinis is 1000 times better than him.... Even Pat Cummins is a better batsman than Marsh
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Marsh is fairly good in ODIs and below average in all other formats. There is absolutely no indications that he will match Stokes. Even Stokes himself is not such a great all-rounder in LOIs. But all indications are there that he will end up a great all-rounder in LOIs
 
So what would be definition of an all rounder in todays age?
In my opinion...someone who can score 50 of 35/40 balls lets say every 4 matches on an average considering India's batting lineup.
Someone who can bowl 5-10 overs and take 2 wickets at reasonable economy in middle overs ,lets say 6 runs per over in todays age is probably reasonable.
Someone who can field well and save 10 runs in a game.
Somone who is in top 5 names when team is bieng selected.
I guess HP ticks all these checkboxes.
Now wether he is better than x or y or z is not a concern for Indian team because slowly but surely he is becoming the 4th name to be picked in the Indian team after Kohli,Rohit,Dhoni..
Stats wise as of 26/sep/2017...he has played 24 ODIs ( 15 innings) and scored 489 runs with 4 scores of 50+ . As bowler he has played 24 ODIs ( 23 innings got to bowl) and got 28 wickets and gives away on an average 5.53 runs per over.
Pretty decent find one can say and pretty sure many teams would like a player of calibre in the team.
 
Bilal7 said:
I agree. After an absolute thrashing in the finals of the Champions Trophy, the Indo-Pak rivalry has come to its conclusion, with Pakistan the clear winner. India gave us a tough fight though.
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lol yeah 11 WC beatings settled with one CT final .... that said not surprised you came with that gem :)))
 
Tusker said:
lol yeah 11 WC beatings settled with one CT final .... that said not surprised you came with that gem :)))
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I would not mind India keep on winning all Wc matches and Pakistan wininig CTs in return.
 
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