"Hardik Pandya, it seems as if he’s the golden boy in this team" : Michael Holding

[barah_admi]

Got the tactics wrong I think.

India should have let him go for his shots and put pressure on New Zealand.

Instead he went into his shell and he's not a good enough batsman to work the ball around.

If he really wants to improve as a player and not just be a "star" then he should start watching Ben STokes.

We saw how abysmal he was around 2015-17 when it came to building an innings, which culminated in the Pak semi final match. Look at him now, he knows how to rotate strike, knows how to peg the ball into gaps and then hit the boundaries when set (played two such innings this tournament when England needed him).

Not sure if Pandya has the capacity of the will to work on this.

I think someone said that to win at sports, at times, you have to put aside the ego. Kohli has done so, Amir has done so, Babar is learning to do so, Stokes has learned....Pandya has to.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Got the tactics wrong I think.

India should have let him go for his shots and put pressure on New Zealand.

Instead he went into his shell and he's not a good enough batsman to work the ball around.

Correct. He should have come lower down the order.

 

[RamLakhan]

Got the tactics wrong I think.

India should have let him go for his shots and put pressure on New Zealand.

Instead he went into his shell and he's not a good enough batsman to work the ball around.

What to do he was sent at No.5 again (the situation was different this time, but still he was sent at No.5), so he was trying to be have like a No.5 batsman! Him at No.7 and with Jadeja at No.8, we would have had better chance of winning the game (because finally it again came down to RR and not wickets - Dhoni took 75 balls for 50 - that is how a No.4 batsman should play actually, not by a No.7. I am sure Pandya wouldn't have had this kind of strike rate!)

This would have been the ideal lineup (even in the available squad)

Mayank
Rahul/Rohit
Rohit/Rahul
Kohli (move him down on such pitches at least)
????? (This is where we messed up!)
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja
Shami
Bumrah
Chahal

On such pitches No.4 & No.5 are key batsmen! Because you may lose those early wickets (like it happened with Australia today)

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

If Dhoni came at #4 , India would have won

 

[surg]

Dhoni has always failed against the moving ball.
Pant played it well on merit. Dinesh Karthik was the best bet.
Utility of Dhoni is always after 15-20 overs
Hardik Pandya is an asset. Bowls 10 overs for 50-60, picks 1-2 wickets and scores 30 in last 5 overs

 

[Napa]

Ha the loss has taken to your head so much that you can't even awnser an easy question.

Obviously when you can't answer with facts, you resort to insults.

I am not talking about the world cup only.

If you say "worst bowler", you are talking about the present, not lifetime performances.

Name me bowlers that have to bowl their 10 over quota and pandya is better than them.

So bad he is that you are not finding any? OK at least same level bowlers if that can help!

Okay, even going by lifetime stats, here is one for you.

Isuru Udana and Mohammad Hasnain, have economy and avgerages that are both worse than Pandya's.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/player/328026.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/1158100.html

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=2;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

Your blather "His bowling is the worst from every bowler who has to ball a 10 overs quota in the whole world" about Pandya is obviously wrong.

I don't like engaging drama queens, so bye.

 

[naseem]

Pandya is decent just decent ....he is an eager learner. ..he is positive ...and has an aggressive game..... Thats good....he will be an asset if properly nurtured and he works hard but in no way someone can justify his failure by comparing with out of form players of any opponent team

Plz don't compare with pakistan. At least bcoz

A pak don't play at home
B don't travel to Australia every year
C don't play IPL
D had 2 play most in UAE 'S poor. tracks which don't facilate positive stroke play

Pakistan is still there and fighting and surviving just bcoz it's Pakistan....

 

[Saj]

What to do he was sent at No.5 again (the situation was different this time, but still he was sent at No.5), so he was trying to be have like a No.5 batsman!

I wouldn't have sent him in at 5.

However once he was sent in, he should have tried to put pressure on the BlackCaps bowlers. He started positively but for some reason started batting cautiously and putting pressure on himself resulting in a silly shot to get dismissed.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pandya is worth his weight in gold for the explosive batting he provides in clutch situations.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I think he doesn’t deserve to be in the 11 if he doesn’t bowl.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think he is a poor man's Ben Stokes.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think he is a poor man's Ben Stokes.

Nope. He is gareebo ka afridi.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nope. He is gareebo ka afridi.

Afridi had his moments but I don't think he was all that great. Pandya is a good player and his batting skills are as good as first half of Afridi's career.

Actually, if you consider the first halves of their career, Pandya was as good a batsman as Afridi and a better bowler than him. His T20 average is 24. Afridi in the first half was a part timer. Pandya's ODI average is on higher side but economy is good and in this era 300+ scores are pretty norm.

In the second half, Afridi improved his bowling massively and became good enough to get into side for his bowling alone. While in contrast, Pandya is lacking in fitness and is not even bowling. In Batting though, Pandya in second half is comfortably better than Afridi in second half.

To conclude,

1st half of their career :-

Batting :- Pandya = Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya > Afridi

2nd half of their career:-

Batting :- Pandya > Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya <<<< Afridi

 

[silentkiller187]

Afridi had his moments but I don't think he was all that great. Pandya is a good player and his batting skills are as good as first half of Afridi's career.

Actually, if you consider the first halves of their career, Pandya was as good a batsman as Afridi and a better bowler than him. His T20 average is 24. Afridi in the first half was a part timer. Pandya's ODI average is on higher side but economy is good and in this era 300+ scores are pretty norm.

In the second half, Afridi improved his bowling massively and became good enough to get into side for his bowling alone. While in contrast, Pandya is lacking in fitness and is not even bowling. In Batting though, Pandya in second half is comfortably better than Afridi in second half.

To conclude,

1st half of their career :-

Batting :- Pandya = Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya > Afridi

2nd half of their career:-

Batting :- Pandya > Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya <<<< Afridi

Pandya career looks like it has finished already the way he starts holding his shoulder every 2 minutes

 

[Ab Fan]

Afridi had his moments but I don't think he was all that great. Pandya is a good player and his batting skills are as good as first half of Afridi's career.

Actually, if you consider the first halves of their career, Pandya was as good a batsman as Afridi and a better bowler than him. <B>His T20 average is 24</B>. Afridi in the first half was a part timer. Pandya's ODI average is on higher side but economy is good and in this era 300+ scores are pretty norm.

In the second half, Afridi improved his bowling massively and became good enough to get into side for his bowling alone. While in contrast, Pandya is lacking in fitness and is not even bowling. In Batting though, Pandya in second half is comfortably better than Afridi in second half.

To conclude,

1st half of their career :-

Batting :- Pandya = Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya > Afridi

2nd half of their career:-

Batting :- Pandya > Afridi
Bowling :- Pandya <<<< Afridi

26 not 24. Bowling avg.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pandya career looks like it has finished already the way he starts holding his shoulder every 2 minutes

Yeah, the shoulder injury has been hurting him. However, injuries has taken a lot of great careers and that includes the likes of Shane Bond so unfair to call Hardik as Gareebon ka Afridi based on that.

 

[gazza619]

Nope. He is gareebo ka afridi.

Or even a poor man’s Asif Ali? Ouch i know that hurts

 

[MenInG]

Q. Can you confirm the fitness status of Hardik and whether the team is tempted to tweak combinations a little bit?

VIRAT KOHLI: Hardik is fine, if you're talking about the blow on the shoulder, he's absolutely fine.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Even if Pandya bowls, he is more of a situational bowler than an impact bowler. He needs to bowl in a scenario where the opposition is on the defense and not looking to attack.

Thakur I believe would add a lot more energy into the Indian bowling attack.

 

[Mobashir]

Yeah, the shoulder injury has been hurting him. However, injuries has taken a lot of great careers and that includes the likes of Shane Bond so unfair to call Hardik as Gareebon ka Afridi based on that.

Shane Bond has legendary stats in the matches he played. His bowling was all time great material. Anyone who saw him knows it.

Pandya has done next to nothing in every format.
500 test runs and 17 test wickets
495 runs after having played 50 T20I's.
I don't know what you are on these days...

 

[Ab Fan]

Shane Bond has legendary stats in the matches he played. His bowling was all time great material. Anyone who saw him knows it.

Pandya has done next to nothing in every format.
500 test runs and 17 test wickets
495 runs after having played 50 T20I's.
I don't know what you are on these days...

You seem to have completely missed my point. I didn't even compared them to begin with.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Hardik is a AR, if he doesn't bowl and is even struggle to bat with that shoulder, then there is no point. The problem is Shardul Thakur, Ravindra Jadeja and Ravi Ashwin are all more Bowling AR's & bowlers who can bat. Hardik's role is very important to this Indian side, but if he can't bowl, bring in Ishan Kishan.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

A match loser

 

[shamaan]

He needs to perform consistently with the bat if he's only going to bowl 1/2 overs