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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Both are rubbish players
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so both find themselves out of the Asia Cup for different reasons! [ok Faheem for this game possibly]
 
It's been a pretty long time no one bumped this thread.

Apparently, Faheem is now the strike bolwer for Pakistan in limited overs format.

Not many men/women can say that they open bowling for Pakistan in limited overs cricket.
 
Good time to bump this thread.

Faheem is barely able to make the XI on merit and this is for 2 reasons:

1. He's a tail ender with the bat
2. Yes he's economical but he doesn't have the wicket taking ability against non-minnows
 
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3 wickets for Ashraf today, and more importantly, no controversy about sexism for him either. Looks like Faheem Ashraf is having a better 2019 so far :vk2
 
This misogynistic cricketer may never play serious cricket again. Futile comparing him to a very good player like Rana.
 
Shandarchowka said:
This misogynistic cricketer may never play serious cricket again. Futile comparing him to a very good player like Rana.
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I doubt he won't play cricket again based on a couple of sexist comments. Players have fixed and come back, at most he might get banned for 1-2 games
 
Great outing with the ball for Faheem today lets hope he can get a fifty down the order, looks like we are going to need it.
 
DRsohail;10073653[B said:
]most of his wicekts were due to luck[/B]. Let’s wait for a few more tests to decide as hardik also had one good spell I reckon but was useless after that.
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clueless .At least get your fact right together for the sake of criticism you are saying utter lies
 
Pandya has not played any cricket since getting injured in Asia cup. Why is this thread getting bumped again and again? You can complain about his behavior off-field but anyone seriously doubting his cricketing skills? He is a top talent...whether anyone likes it or not.
 
Well Faheem not doing anything special so am afraid, Pandya ahead!
 
MenInG said:
Well Faheem not doing anything special so am afraid, Pandya ahead!
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Pathetic dismissal today. I think the general consensus these days is that Pandya is a better batsman but Ashraf a better bowler, I guess this Test is providing more support for this argument!
 
hadi123 said:
Pathetic dismissal today. I think the general consensus these days is that Pandya is a better batsman but Ashraf a better bowler, I guess this Test is providing more support for this argument!
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The drama of Faheem being a good bowler will be over soon. He is a minnow basher in ODIs and usually takes cheap wickets in Tests and ODIs. His luck will run out and soon and he will be exposed on the bowling front as well.

Pandya needs to improve with the ball, but he is very talented with the bat and a genuine game-changer. India knows how to develop players and he will be flying in a couple of years.

This never was a valid comparison. Faheem is a nobody compared to Pandya and only Pakistani fans are capable of pitting the two against each other, let alone call the former better.

I understand that the pro Pakistan bias is very natural on this forum, but some times, these people get overboard and are rightfully humiliated. Unfortunately, a few certain posters refuse to learn and overcome their delusions.

Faheem is in the category of the Anwar, Bhatti and Tanvir type all-rounders; Pandya along with Curran is just a step below Stokes who is in a class of his own.
 
Mamoon said:
The drama of Faheem being a good bowler will be over soon. He is a minnow basher in ODIs and usually takes cheap wickets in Tests and ODIs. His luck will run out and soon and he will be exposed on the bowling front as well.

Pandya needs to improve with the ball, but he is very talented with the bat and a genuine game-changer. India knows how to develop players and he will be flying in a couple of years.

This never was a valid comparison. Faheem is a nobody compared to Pandya and only Pakistani fans are capable of pitting the two against each other, let alone call the former better.

I understand that the pro Pakistan bias is very natural on this forum, but some times, these people get overboard and are rightfully humiliated. Unfortunately, a few certain posters refuse to learn and overcome their delusions.

Faheem is in the category of the Anwar, Bhatti and Tanvir type all-rounders; Pandya along with Curran is just a step below Stokes who is in a class of his own.
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Hmmm, all 3 wickets were not due to good bowling, Markram got unlucky edged down the leg side and the other two wickets were just batsmen going for big shots off short balls and picking out the fielders. I don't agree though that he is in the category of Anwar, Bhatti, and Tanvir, I think he has more potential than them for sure.
 
Disgusting dismissal today. Tired of Mickey backing bits and pieces. Fahim's batting contributions other than the Ireland and Lord's Test have been nonexistent.
 
Faheem needs to start showing some discipline with the bat, that shot being his first delivery was unacceptable
 
Fahim is just a tailender with the bat. Pandya is a much better batter.
 
Mamoon said:
The drama of Faheem being a good bowler will be over soon. He is a minnow basher in ODIs and usually takes cheap wickets in Tests and ODIs. His luck will run out and soon and he will be exposed on the bowling front as well.

Pandya needs to improve with the ball, but he is very talented with the bat and a genuine game-changer. India knows how to develop players and he will be flying in a couple of years.

This never was a valid comparison. Faheem is a nobody compared to Pandya and only Pakistani fans are capable of pitting the two against each other, let alone call the former better.

I understand that the pro Pakistan bias is very natural on this forum, but some times, these people get overboard and are rightfully humiliated. Unfortunately, a few certain posters refuse to learn and overcome their delusions.

Faheem is in the category of the Anwar, Bhatti and Tanvir type all-rounders; Pandya along with Curran is just a step below Stokes who is in a class of his own.
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Nailed it. Stokes is bothamesque. At least he will be in a few years. Curran and Pandya can impact games on both ends. The rest are just bits and pieces cricketers
 
Faheem is miles better with the ball. He needs to be more disciplined with the bat.
Even contest really, but Pak need faheem to come good more than India need pandya
 
Fact: India tour to South Africa, Panyda 6 innings with the ball and 3 wickets.

Faheem one innings and 3 wickets.

Levels.
 
iPakistani said:
Fact: India tour to South Africa, Panyda 6 innings with the ball and 3 wickets.

Faheem one innings and 3 wickets.

Levels.
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Faheem should stop being content with being a useful seamer, and work on his batting. He has the talent, but needs to do a lot of hard work to become a dependable batsman. Shots such as the one he played today will not do him much good.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Faheem should stop being content with being a useful seamer, and work on his batting. He has the talent, but needs to do a lot of hard work to become a dependable batsman. Shots such as the one he played today will not do him much good.
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Very true, you can tell he has worked alot on his bowling. If he can do the same with his batting he can be very good Inshallah.
 
Etherealistic said:
Pandya is far better than Faheem. Noone even knows who Faheem is.
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I just posted a reply in the thread "most overrated cricketers" and that was my awnser : About every indian cricketer.

People like you think being more known and more popular means being better. That is as incorrect as anything can be.
Cricketers from India will always be more popular to let's say cricketer from New Zealand.

For the moment both are more or so struggling in International cricket. the only difference I can see is that at least Faheem's bowling can be qualified as good from what he has done. (Personnally I don't rate him so far).
If we take Pandya: batting - at best it's average. Bowling : Poor.
 
Etherealistic said:
Pandya might not be a good human being but he is a good cricketer.
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It's not about what you think, it's about what he has proven. For the moment : Nothing.
If we just look at performances and not your criteria of who is the most popular, even Jason Holder is way superior to Pandya (and also to Faheem) in the last two years.
 
Mobashir said:
It's not about what you think, it's about what he has proven. For the moment : Nothing.
If we just look at performances and not your criteria of who is the most popular, even Jason Holder is way superior to Pandya (and also to Faheem) in the last two years.
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Jason Holder is superior to both. Pandya has the ability to turn the game with bat or ball. Has a 90 in SA when everyone else flopped on a tricky wicket and has a fifer in Eng. Can't claim a spot on the basis of bat or ball alone but as a package balances the team considering he's also one of the best fielders. He is not as consistent as Jason or Stokes and is at least a rung or two below them.

Fahim is not an all-rounder. He's a decent bowler at best and a dud with the bat with many zeroes to his name. That full blooded pull shot ballooning to short leg sums up his batting talent. Zero patience as it was his first ball. Zero timing as he was very late on the pull and just validates the various other ducks he already accumulated. Another shot that comes to mind was in the Asia cup when he slogged and was caught at square leg but was searching on the off side after the shot. There's just no batting talent to work with there.
 
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Another thing to consider is how the respective teams and coaches evaluate these two players. India have confidence in Pandya to be a finisher with the bat and a third seamer with the ball. He has decent averages at least in LOIs and an average Avg in tests to validate their expectations

Fahim on the other hand is considered a third seamer but the coach Mickey doesn't have the confidence in him as a batter. Was dropped in Asia cup, was not considered in Home test series and the first two tests here. For a weak batting lineup that Pak already is, the coach not having confidence in his batting sort of explains where he stands as a batter.
 
Faheem is a much better batsman than what he has shown so far. He has a serious shot selection problem. Badly needs a good score with the bat. Needs to be banned from playing that pull and hook shot early in his innings. But there is something to work with.
 
Faheem’s batting has been underwhelming so far. His bowling has been solid this game though. I think Pandya on his day can be destructive in either facet but Faheem’s batting doesn’t really give confidence at the moment.
 
Faheem is a joke of a cricketer. He is the most harmless bowler and toothless and clueless batsman I have ever seen in my life. Yes, he is getting wickets but all his wickets are lucky wickets.

On the other hand, Pandya is a great asset in limited over cricket.
 
Markhor said:
Disgusting dismissal today. Tired of Mickey backing bits and pieces. Fahim's batting contributions other than the Ireland and Lord's Test have been nonexistent.
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He's only had 5 innings mate!!
Though I do hope Mickey paid into him after that shot
 
rhony said:
Jason Holder is superior to both. Pandya has the ability to turn the game with bat or ball. Has a 90 in SA when everyone else flopped on a tricky wicket and has a fifer in Eng. Can't claim a spot on the basis of bat or ball alone but as a package balances the team considering he's also one of the best fielders. He is not as consistent as Jason or Stokes and is at least a rung or two below them.

Fahim is not an all-rounder. He's a decent bowler at best and a dud with the bat with many zeroes to his name. That full blooded pull shot ballooning to short leg sums up his batting talent. Zero patience as it was his first ball. Zero timing as he was very late on the pull and just validates the various other ducks he already accumulated. Another shot that comes to mind was in the Asia cup when he slogged and was caught at square leg but was searching on the off side after the shot. There's just no batting talent to work with there.
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So in a gap of 7 test matches he scores a 90 and takes a 5 wicket haul which makes him into an all rounder? For me both are useless at every level...
 
mystical man said:
So in a gap of 7 test matches he scores a 90 and takes a 5 wicket haul which makes him into an all rounder? For me both are useless at every level...
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He is the MOM in 1 test out of those 11 tests. Has a test hundred and 4 50s with the bat. Scored runs when it mattered One 5Wicket haul and one 3 wicket haul. Averages 30 with bat at 74 SR (impact) and 30 with the ball at 55 SR in tests. Unless you are Imran's bhateeja or Botham's bro, these are good numbers for an all-rounder.
 
rhony said:
Another thing to consider is how the respective teams and coaches evaluate these two players. India have confidence in Pandya to be a finisher with the bat and a third seamer with the ball. He has decent averages at least in LOIs and an average Avg in tests to validate their expectations

Fahim on the other hand is considered a third seamer but the coach Mickey doesn't have the confidence in him as a batter. Was dropped in Asia cup, was not considered in Home test series and the first two tests here. For a weak batting lineup that Pak already is, the coach not having confidence in his batting sort of explains where he stands as a batter.
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I don’t agree with this assessment, his batting skill is not that bad, temperament is sometihng they needs work. Pakistan fundamentally has bad or frankly non existent batting culture. This is not now, it’s going on as long as I have been watching Pakistani cricket back to early 80s. That’s why we always have batting collapses and always loose be uae of batting.

When to attack, when to defend, when to grind, those things are not developed at FC level, basically not part of batting culture. People are always looking for magic and hero, players try to emulate that too, go for big shorts too often, rather than grinding and applying themselves. Other reason this happens is that long format is not popular format among Pakistanis, 90%+ Pakistanis only play tape ball cricket, which develops reflexes but kills your temperament. Temperament is 50% of batting, any 50+ avg batsmen may have different strength and weakness, different style, zone where they score but one thing is common they have have temperament to play long innings, there is no other way to score 100s in test, mo matter how gifted you are.

Unfortunately temperament will not develop on its own, We don’t have luxury of throwing away plays left and right. Out of all seaming allrounders in uae era he is the best we got, we have to play him at home, which was a big mistake by Captain. He should have played 3/4 of those UAE test. Seamers have no special role there, you could save them and developed him.

Also, I am hoping he will play better in second innings. Part of the problem is we were over attacking not just him but all three (Sarfaraz, Babar and Faheem) three their wickets because of over aggression, 6+ avg get into their head. It’s again poor batting culture which we had hard time fixing. Either we have pre-mediated blockers like Misbah, Azhar or over aggressor. Younis was the last batsman, who used to play proper test cricket, we badly miss him as a mentor but then Azhar and Shafiq learned nothing from Younis.
 
Mobashir said:
It's not about what you think, it's about what he has proven. For the moment : Nothing.
If we just look at performances and not your criteria of who is the most popular, even Jason Holder is way superior to Pandya (and also to Faheem) in the last two years.
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So what has Faheem Ashraf proven? Did he win a match with his bowling or batting? Pandya proved he can bat as well as bowl and get wickets.
 
Mobashir said:
I just posted a reply in the thread "most overrated cricketers" and that was my awnser : About every indian cricketer.

People like you think being more known and more popular means being better. That is as incorrect as anything can be.
Cricketers from India will always be more popular to let's say cricketer from New Zealand.

For the moment both are more or so struggling in International cricket. the only difference I can see is that at least Faheem's bowling can be qualified as good from what he has done. (Personnally I don't rate him so far).
If we take Pandya: batting - at best it's average. Bowling : Poor.
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He maybe average in batting and average in bowling but still better than Faheem Ashraf
 
Neither of them have achieved enough to be compared. India is desperate to find a balance. That is why he is even in the reckoning. If few batsmen could be more than a decent bowlers India won't be desperate for his return to the side.
 
There both allrounders. As allrounders they must offer so much more for there teams. Hardik has to offer more so with the bowl and Faheem needs to become a reliable hitter for Pakistan. Lot of work to be done for both men. With that being said I don't think it's wrong for both teams to be looking at other options for AR.
 
Etherealistic said:
So what has Faheem Ashraf proven? Did he win a match with his bowling or batting? Pandya proved he can bat as well as bowl and get wickets.
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Faheem as proven nothing. But at least, I don't see him being regularly hyped by him being compared to Stokes, Abdul Razaaq and other very good all rounders.
 
Faheem ashraf is the worst "all rounder" in the world. He simply an average bowler. His batting is no better than that of Stuart Broad.
 
Mobashir said:
No way Pandya is a better bowler than Faheem in any of the three format.
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We can compare them after few years, if it's too early for you to determine who's better. In my opinion, Hardik Pandya may give away runs but he is a wicket-taker and he can also wield the willow better than Faheem. So my vote goes to Hardik Pandya.
 
Mobashir said:
Faheem as proven nothing. But at least, I don't see him being regularly hyped by him being compared to Stokes, Abdul Razaaq and other very good all rounders.
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Being hyped up means he is doing fairly well as an all-rounder. Hardik Pandya is being compared to Kapil Dev so he has something in him which make people compare him with Kapil. However, he's still in the beginning of his career and yet cannot be compared to the legendary all-rounder.
 
Etherealistic said:
Being hyped up means he is doing fairly well as an all-rounder. Hardik Pandya is being compared to Kapil Dev so he has something in him which make people compare him with Kapil. However, he's still in the beginning of his career and yet cannot be compared to the legendary all-rounder.
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This is joke! Pandya when he plays often is the weakest bowler in the team and not finish his overs. Faheem so far has always managed to bowl well and cant remember him having the worst figure in a game where Pak bowlers got the tap.

Pandya batting is ahead by a fair way though. Both are no way near as good as ben stokes and comparison to Kapil are jokes.
 
Etherealistic said:
We can compare them after few years, if it's too early for you to determine who's better. In my opinion, Hardik Pandya may give away runs but he is a wicket-taker and he can also wield the willow better than Faheem. So my vote goes to Hardik Pandya.
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Pandya is not a wicket taker, his only wicket taking abilities in LOI’s is being the weakest link of the bowling line up and teams going after him.
 
Etherealistic said:
Being hyped up means he is doing fairly well as an all-rounder. Hardik Pandya is being compared to Kapil Dev so he has something in him which make people compare him with Kapil. However, he's still in the beginning of his career and yet cannot be compared to the legendary all-rounder.
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What he has in him to make people think about Kapil Dev is being Indian. Nothing about his cricketing abilities can you make think about Kapil.
 
Pandya is much better and always was. He hasn't been consistent but has shown he has the ability. Faheem has been hammered with the ball by top teams and his batting has been embrassing.
 
Pandya despite being a tad inconsistent already won us matches against top teams in both format. Faheem is poor man's Anwar Ali, at least Anwar had potential, Faheem has nothing, achieved nothing, zero performance against top teams, comparing him with Pandya is a crime against logic and common sense.
 
A nothing player like Faheem doesn't deserve a thread like this, I am still waiting to know what has he done besides bashing BD on a carrom board ground in a practice match.
 
I doubt faheem can hit the way Pandya did today . If he clicks in WC19 end o ers then we are in for a great chance
 
It's amazing how much obsession some Pakistani fans have with Indian players when it comes to comparing players. Panday is 10 times better player overall than Faheem who is a medium pacer without any batting capability.
 
Another hat-trick of sixes by Hardik Pandya today. Fourth time he has hit 3 sixes off 3 balls in ODIs. The only other batsman to do it 4 times in the last two decades is AB de Villiers.
 
Faheem's bowling is fine. Its the batting that hasn't really impressed. Pandya always had more potential. But unless he takes his cricket seriously, he will never realise his true potential.
 
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