Has PTI surrendered to the Establishment and PDM?

[Bewal Express]

Allah (SWT) is Rabbul Alameen, not Rabbul PTI.

So you think Allah is unjust. You think Allah prefers the guys that murdered unarmed civilians, Zille Shah and Arshad Sharif. So you think the Koran isn't serious about criminals that steal from poor and kill innocent people. Thanks mate

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Off course it is. The beghairati on show from this loser is beyond any morals

Seriously bro. Don't know why you bother with him.

 

[emranabbas]

Seriously bro. Don't know why you bother with him.

Let him you just enjoy the fun

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Let him you just enjoy the fun

The schooling has led you to master whataboutery ! @Bewal Express has you on a string.

 

[Bewal Express]

What humiliation?

I give you ungli and you go all out

It's only you being played me lol

You just ran from your own assertion on the form 47 govt after you claimed the 180 seats was just our imagination. You claimed that 9th May was real but I asked you what happened to video and you ran like Usain Bolt. I asked you a couple of days ago of why the crooked witch said the PK army was behind the terrorism in PK and you ran. I asked you to explain her lies on her wealth and you ran, I asked u to explain the theft of the BMW and you ran. You have to be the most bird brained poster on here. You even praised Mandelas fecal matter, on how you know it's quality makes the mind boggle

 

[emranabbas]

The schooling has led you to master whataboutery ! @Bewal Express has you on a string.

What schooling elaborate

He's only repeatedly crying zulm hua hai imran khan ke saath he should have been the pm and not behind bars

While I'm enjoying the plmn leading Pakistan

 

[Bewal Express]

Let him you just enjoy the fun

You don't have answer to anything. You called me anti state but when I pointed out the crooked witch called PK army terrorists( which knowing your IQ you probably didn't know) and asked when she is being charged with anti state propaganda you ran away. What kind of beghairati is this.

 

[emranabbas]

You just ran from your own assertion on the form 47 govt after you claimed the 180 seats was just our imagination. You claimed that 9th May was real but I asked you what happened to video and you ran like Usain Bolt. I asked you a couple of days ago of why the crooked witch said the PK army was behind the terrorism in PK and you ran. I asked you to explain her lies on her wealth and you ran, I asked u to explain the theft of the BMW and you ran. You have to be the most bird brained poster on here. You even praised Mandelas fecal matter, on how you know it's quality makes the mind boggle

That's humiliation?

Humiliation is me reminding you everyday and your blood boiling thag mental khan is behind bars while maryam nawaz is running punjab like a boss

 

[Bewal Express]

What schooling elaborate

He's only repeatedly crying zulm hua hai imran khan ke saath he should have been the pm and not behind bars

While I'm enjoying the plmn leading Pakistan

A party that you just claimed got booted in. I am thinking that you are even more stupid than your party that won only 17 seats

 

[emranabbas]

You don't have answer to anything. You called me anti state but when I pointed out the crooked witch called PK army terrorists( which knowing your IQ you probably didn't know) and asked when she is being charged with anti state propaganda you ran away. What kind of beghairati is this.

I don't need to answer anything that's enough humiliation mental khan is in adiala jail begging for a deal

 

[emranabbas]

A party that you just claimed got booted in. I am thinking that you are even more stupid than your party that won only 17 seats

That's doesn't matter what matters is plmn are running the show while bewal express is crying on an online forum and khan crying behind bars

 

[aboveandbeyond]

What schooling elaborate

He's only repeatedly crying zulm hua hai imran khan ke saath he should have been the pm and not behind bars

While I'm enjoying the plmn leading Pakistan

Eh. You've constantly repeated you've no affiliation with any Party. So finally the Cats out of the bag. PDM

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't need to answer anything that's enough humiliation mental khan is in adiala jail begging for a deal

Let's face it no one will ever beg like your bhagora that run to London after he left his party workers in prison in 2000. Or faked an illness and ran to London. Kaptaan has brought an army of 500,000 to begging him every day to stay quiet and stop tweeting. That is begging

 

[Savak]

Allah knows best but he won't back down and that puts all these guys in a bind because IK has the public with him.

Having the public with him is useless if the public won't do anything and if all it takes is one massacre and one brutal crackdown to put the public in their place

 

[topspin]

True. But Allah (SWT) will always back the oppressed than the looters and oppressors.

Agreed

 

[topspin]

Yes. I don't see your point unless you believe Munir is God. IK is our leader, we PKs want IK and no matter what the mafia do, he will remain so.

Astagfirullah

 

[topspin]

So you think Allah is unjust. You think Allah prefers the guys that murdered unarmed civilians, Zille Shah and Arshad Sharif. So you think the Koran isn't serious about criminals that steal from poor and kill innocent people. Thanks mate

Looks like my post went over your head.

The point I’m making is you are bringing up God but not everything revolves around PTI.

There is a bigger injustice that’s going on to Pakistanis and it has nothing to do with IK/PTI, so stop trying to politicise everything.

 

[psyoptica]

Looks like my post went over your head.

The point I’m making is you are bringing up God but not everything revolves around PTI.

There is a bigger injustice that’s going on to Pakistanis and it has nothing to do with IK/PTI, so stop trying to politicise everything.

Which is?

 

[topspin]

Which is?

The establishment

 

[psyoptica]

The establishment

In your view, who are the top 3 people responsible for the injustices you referred to on an individual level?

 

[Bewal Express]

Looks like my post went over your head.

The point I’m making is you are bringing up God but not everything revolves around PTI.

There is a bigger injustice that’s going on to Pakistanis and it has nothing to do with IK/PTI, so stop trying to politicise everything.

I think mine went over your little head. Murder is murder whether you are PTI or any one else.

 

[Bewal Express]

Astagfirullah

Well that's how it came across.For me Munir and Co, like all the others will pass and the PK population is young and that resentment isn't going away. The genie is out of the bottle

 

[Bewal Express]

Having the public with him is useless if the public won't do anything and if all it takes is one massacre and one brutal crackdown to put the public in their place

Yes if you think of it that way but it's what keeps these criminals awake.

 

[emranabbas]

Having the public with him is useless if the public won't do anything and if all it takes is one massacre and one brutal crackdown to put the public in their place

the public he has with him are either online or overseas which is no benefit to him and its about 80% of them

Take social media influencers on tik tok etc, for example. A lot of them show support for Khan, but let's be honest many are probably doing it for the likes, views, and to monitise their accountto make money. Khan is a popular figure no doubt, so jumping on that bandwagon can be a quick way to boost their own profiles.

Then there's the whole issue of bots. PTI has been known to use automated accounts to flood social media with their messaging. This can make it seem like there's a huge wave of support, but in reality, it's more about creating noise than reflecting genuine backing. These fake accounts might make PTI look good online but on the ground it has no effect

the overseas especially in countries like UK are passionate, no doubt. But many of them have never even been to Pakistan and aren't even eligible to vote there. So, while their enthusiasm is great, it doesn't have much weight when it comes to actual political outcomes in Pakistan.

the only way khan can move forward is by being friends with the army and get elections rigged like he did in 2018 and even if he's in the office its only good for all hoo haa on social media and having a fan following, on the ground he's the worst PM to ever come out of Pakistan

and this 72 year old man don't have much time left either and he has no one in politics to continue with his vison all the people around him can't be trusted come on man imagine zartaj gul as pm or ali amin ghandapur as pm this will take Pakistan to old ages.


its fair to say PTI will vanish in the next 10 years unless some fan like @Bewal Express makes darbar of imran khan and people go their to visit their murshad

 

[Bewal Express]

the public he has with him are either online or overseas which is no benefit to him and its about 80% of them

Take social media influencers on tik tok etc, for example. A lot of them show support for Khan, but let's be honest many are probably doing it for the likes, views, and to monitise their accountto make money. Khan is a popular figure no doubt, so jumping on that bandwagon can be a quick way to boost their own profiles.

Then there's the whole issue of bots. PTI has been known to use automated accounts to flood social media with their messaging. This can make it seem like there's a huge wave of support, but in reality, it's more about creating noise than reflecting genuine backing. These fake accounts might make PTI look good online but on the ground it has no effect

the overseas especially in countries like UK are passionate, no doubt. But many of them have never even been to Pakistan and aren't even eligible to vote there. So, while their enthusiasm is great, it doesn't have much weight when it comes to actual political outcomes in Pakistan.

the only way khan can move forward is by being friends with the army and get elections rigged like he did in 2018 and even if he's in the office its only good for all hoo haa on social media and having a fan following, on the ground he's the worst PM to ever come out of Pakistan

and this 72 year old man don't have much time left either and he has no one in politics to continue with his vison all the people around him can't be trusted come on man imagine zartaj gul as pm or ali amin ghandapur as pm this will take Pakistan to old ages.


its fair to say PTI will vanish in the next 10 years unless some fan like @Bewal Express makes darbar of imran khan and people go their to visit their murshad

If that was the case then they would have let him contest the elections. Your beghairati is on such a level that you forget he was banned, his party was banned and his candidates all stood as independents with weird symbols but he still won a 180 seats. Now that is humiliation on another level for Munir, NS and mafia
IK is a legend for the ages. You have tasted Mandelas Fecal matter, he will make you taste his in any fair elections. Even with all the obstacles and the banning, you guys could barely muster 17 seats. If you feel that isn't true than be a man and bring forth your form 45s.
In Pothowar alone you didn't win a seat. The commissioner of Rawalpindi accused Isa of fixing the elections. What happened to him? Have you seen him? Only a few weeks ago your beghairati was even more on display ( aap ki kasam) after the governor of Punjab said the whole govt was form 47. This is a partner in the coalition.
The PTI may or may not vanish but the idea of civilian rule won't. We are on.the right side of History. One thing is for sure if there is a fair election in PK the crooked witch and family will have to run.
Munir will not be there forever and your thugs have destroyed their political futures in any democratic PK.

 

[emranabbas]

If that was the case then they would have let him contest the elections. Your beghairati is on such a level that you forget he was banned, his party was banned and his candidates all stood as independents with weird symbols but he still won a 180 seats. Now that is humiliation on another level for Munir, NS and mafia
IK is a legend for the ages. You have tasted Mandelas Fecal matter, he will make you taste his in any fair elections. Even with all the obstacles and the banning, you guys could barely muster 17 seats. If you feel that isn't true than be a man and bring forth your form 45s.
In Pothowar alone you didn't win a seat. The commissioner of Rawalpindi accused Isa of fixing the elections. What happened to him? Have you seen him? Only a few weeks ago your beghairati was even more on display ( aap ki kasam) after the governor of Punjab said the whole govt was form 47. This is a partner in the coalition.
The PTI may or may not vanish but the idea of civilian rule won't. We are on.the right side of History. One thing is for sure if there is a fair election in PK the crooked witch and family will have to run.
Munir will not be there forever and your thugs have destroyed their political futures in any democratic PK.

Oh shutup with your baqwaas form45 are available on the internet for everyone to see do your own search this trick of form 45 isn't going to work anymore

Enjoy you 80% online support and support from overseas pakistani who can't vote

 

[Bewal Express]

Oh shutup with your baqwaas form45 are available on the internet for everyone to see do your own search this trick of form 45 isn't going to work anymore

Enjoy you 80% online support and support from overseas pakistani who can't vote

Beghairat you guys didn't release yours after the elections because they had to be changed. Maybe the fecal matter of Mandela impacted your bird brained.

 

[emranabbas]

Beghairat you guys didn't release yours after the elections because they had to be changed. Maybe the fecal matter of Mandela impacted your bird brained.

you still upset that i said i rather support mandelas tatti than the tatti in adiala jail behind bars the fitna khan

 

[Bewal Express]

you still upset that i said i rather support mandelas tatti than the tatti in adiala jail behind bars the fitna khan

Not upset just happy that you have sunk so low( quite literally). I always suspected you guys to be lower than sewer rats and here you are confirming my suspicions.

 

[topspin]

In your view, who are the top 3 people responsible for the injustices you referred to on an individual level?

Not sure about the top 3 but I’ll name the entity instead, the army.

I believe everyone should unite against the army.

The problem in Pakistan is a million times bigger than PTI vs PDM. This can be settled once the nation has been liberated from army control.

 

[topspin]

Well that's how it came across.For me Munir and Co, like all the others will pass and the PK population is young and that resentment isn't going away. The genie is out of the bottle

Sounds like you watch too much Aladdin

 

[topspin]

I think mine went over your little head. Murder is murder whether you are PTI or any one else.

Murder of who?

I might have a little head compared to yours because I keep in shape. You sound like you have a big head because you are not in good shape. Apna chehra ka Tasveer tu dekhao bc.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Murder of who?

I might have a little head compared to yours because I keep in shape. You sound like you have a big head because you are not in good shape. Apna chehra ka Tasveer tu dekhao bc.

Bro. Establishment with their poodles have murdered innocent civilians who have been protesting for their stolen mandate. If they succeed in this, then it's Allah Hafez to any future aspiring leader who has ambitions to lead thr country with honesty

 

[Bewal Express]

Murder of who?

I might have a little head compared to yours because I keep in shape. You sound like you have a big head because you are not in good shape. Apna chehra ka Tasveer tu dekhao bc.

Murder of Arshad Sharif, Zille Shah, 100s of party workers.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sounds like you watch too much Aladdin

You sound like a guy that wants to be moral but your soul pulls you back because of innate dishonesty

 

[topspin]

You sound like a guy that wants to be moral but your soul pulls you back because of innate dishonesty

I think you need to calm down. First you accused me of supporting the opposition and now I'm wannabe moral but dishonest. Make your mind up.

 

[topspin]

Murder of Arshad Sharif, Zille Shah, 100s of party workers.

More evidence of revolting behaviour from the establishment. There's no disagreement here.

 

[topspin]

Bro. Establishment with their poodles have murdered innocent civilians who have been protesting for their stolen mandate. If they succeed in this, then it's Allah Hafez to any future aspiring leader who has ambitions to lead thr country with honesty

Yes, I'm well aware of that and that's why everyone in Pakistan must unite against the establishment, specifically the army.

I used to support PTI but in recent years I've now realised the problem we have in Pakistan goes well beyond PTI and PDM.

This division keeps the establishment in power, so supporting these politicians is a time wasting exercise when there is bigger fish to fry.

 

[psyoptica]

Not sure about the top 3 but I’ll name the entity instead, the army.

I believe everyone should unite against the army.

The problem in Pakistan is a million times bigger than PTI vs PDM. This can be settled once the nation has been liberated from army control.

So you wanna absolve the political parties of all wrongdoing and blame the army instead? Btw, army is not establishment its part of the establishment. They are able to run the affairs of the country because of the way the institution is structured and the politicians have used this to their advantage. Army can be reformed if the will of the politicians is involved but that will never happen.

The army is the hardware and the politicians are the shiny front end

 

[topspin]

So you wanna absolve the political parties of all wrongdoing and blame the army instead? Btw, army is not establishment its part of the establishment. They are able to run the affairs of the country because of the way the institution is structured and the politicians have used this to their advantage. Army can be reformed if the will of the politicians is involved but that will never happen.

The army is the hardware and the politicians are the shiny front end

The establishment is nothing without the army, who make up 80-90% of the establishment's power.

 

[psyoptica]

The establishment is nothing without the army, who make up 80-90% of the establishment's power.

And who empowers the army?

 

[topspin]

And who empowers the army?

The army is allowed to do as they please because the people are unaware of what they do.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PTI leader Salman Akram Raja denies backdoor dealings with ‘establishment’

Expressing his ignorance of any “deal talks” with the powers that be, PTI Secretary General Salman Akram Raja asserted on Saturday that the party leadership was focused not on political rhetoric, but on upholding principles and due process.

Speaking to the media outside the anti-terrorism courts in Lahore, Mr Raja said that a meeting of the party’s core committee would be convened soon, during which key matters would be addressed.

Dismissing rumours about ongoing ‘negotiations’ with the establishment, he said he had no knowledge of any such “deal” and emphasised that nothing of the sort was taking place.

He clarified that PTI leader Azam Khan Swati was issuing statements in his personal capacity, and there was no such activity being undertaken by the party. “If anyone thinks they can sneak out of this through a backdoor, they are mistaken.”

Mr Raja alleged that meetings with Imran Khan were being deliberately obstructed in order to create ambiguity, stressing that a final decision would only be made after a meeting with the incarcerated PTI founder.

He reiterated that the situation would become clear once a meeting was held with Imran Khan in jail. “Only after meeting Imran Khan, we will know whether he has authorised anyone to hold negotiations or not.”

It is worth mentioning that Azam Swati recently claimed that Imran Khan remained open to negotiations, and any such talks with the establishment would take place only with the PTI founder’s approval.

‘Imran prioritises talks’

Meanwhile, former president and PTI leader Dr Arif Alvi, currently in the United States meeting with party supporters, said Imran Khan has always prioritised negotiations over street agitation, which he warned could lead to greater problems for Pakistan.

In an interview with CNN, Mr Alvi said his party would welcome the initiation of negotiations regarding future elections and the restoration of democracy.

He highlighted that Imran Khan has been imprisoned for over 600 days and is being deliberately kept out of public view — his face is not allowed on television, nor can his name be mentioned on TV channels. “He’s being tried in prison because if he comes out, the people will rally around him. So no face, no voice, no image can be shown.”

Mr Alvi said, “We are saying that peaceful protesters should not be killed. We are saying that social media should be opened up, because there is no other media in Pakistan today. And if that happens, the change will happen very quickly in Pakistan.”

He claimed that the last general elections were rigged. According to him, the PTI had won the elections in Balochistan, but the party was denied its mandate. “Had they not been deprived of the vote, the government in Balochistan would have been of PTI, and we would have had governments in all the provinces.”

Mr Alvi added that if the youth who were elected in Balochistan had been allowed to represent their mandate, it would have amplified a federal voice, thereby preventing extremist elements from exploiting the situation. “When vote has no force, when vote is not reflected in government decisions, when vote is not reflected in parliament, then it gives a message to the youth that your votes and your opinion do not matter,” he noted.

He warned that such disenfranchisement could push some misguided youth towards militancy. “We still believe there is a possibility of negotiating. But out of that frustration — particularly in Balochistan — terrorism is on the rise,” he said.

Mr Alvi also pointed out that protests were ongoing in Islamabad and across the country, yet demonstrators were being suppressed through brute force. “So the frustration is increasing,” he concluded.

Bail extended

Earlier, an antiterrorism court extended pre-arrest bail of PTI founding chairman’s two sisters and Salman Akram Raja, along with other leaders, till May 17 in cases related to the Oct 5 attacks and vandalism incidents.

Mr Raja and other PTI leaders appeared before the court upon the expiry of their bail period. However, Imran Khan’s sisters — Aleema Khan and Uzma Khan — were absent from the proceedings.

Their lawyers submitted an application seeking exemption from personal appearance for one hearing, stating that both were scheduled to meet their brother in Adiala Jail, Rawalpindi.

The court accepted the exemption request for Saturday’s hearing.

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