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Hasan Ali or Mustafizur Rahman: Who will be the quicker of the two to 100 ODI wickets?

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Hassan Ali:

Age: 23
Matches: 21
Innings: 21
Wickets: 42

Mustafizur Rehman:

Age: 21
Matches: 22
Innings: 21
Wickets: 44

-Both are young.
-Both are front line bowlers for their respective teams.
-Both are skilled and smart bowlers.
-Both have played similar number of matches and same number of innings.
-Both have almost same number of wickets.
-Both have had an outstanding start to their careers.

Who would be the quickest to 100 wickets?
 
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Hasan Ali's wickets-to-match ratio is pretty good and I think he'll be more consistent with it so he'll be able to race to 100 wickets the fastest. Fizz is a good bowler and I won't take anything away from him but he needs to get back to his best and not get found out as a bowler.
 
I reckon, Hassan would take 10 innings less than Fizz to reach the milestone.
 
Fizz is not in same class as Hassan. Fizz wickets mainly in Mirpur. A one trick pony who has been found out although BD fans are not recognizing this fact! Fizz is similar to a Rahat Ali. Good on their day but not world beaters.
 
I am a fan of Fizz.

That said, Hasan is en route to become the GOAT :P

Fizz must put some muscle and crank it up a bit. If he doesn't get injured he will break many BD bowling records.

Who will be quickest to 100 wickets? If both of them are 100% fit and play regularly --> Hasan Ali. But Fizz should be very near him as well.
 
Neither of them will be quickest to 100 ODI wickets, although Hasan will reach the milestone before Mustafizur.
 
It's even stevens at the moment, who will end up on top in the end? am not sure, it will be tight as both are class. This race is meaningless in the grand scheme though as both teams would desire consistency from these bowlers over a longer period
 
Will also depend on the wickets they play on, if mustafizur play majority of his games at home than he will possibly get there first.
 
I hope its Hasan but Mustafizur is stiff competition, if I were to be honest. The good thing about both bowlers is that when they take wickets, they take a lot of wickets. They aren't bowlers who're going to compromise for 1-2 wickets when conditions suit them.
 
Fizz is a very good bowler on Asian wickets but he needs to learn the art of playing in different conditions like in England.

A season of county cricket will do him wonders - he will learn more in 1 year compared to 5 years of 20/20 leagues.
 
At present Hasan looks the front runner because, in last 10 or so ODI, he has taken probably 25+, while Mustafiz has done exactly opposite - 25 in his first 10 or so.

Still 50+ wickets to go & I don't expect either to maintain 2+ wickets per ODI. Those who have reached 100 landmark within 60 ODI actually did with lots of 4/5fors, rather than picking average 1-3 wickets every match - don't see Hasan doing that, neither Mustafiz; after 11 in first 2 ODI, I believe he had only 1 or 2 4fors.

I think, both'll need another 40+ ODI to reach there, that's between 60 to 70 ODI in total. At present Hasan has better chance, if he can keep his fitness intact for next 35-40 ODI. Mustafiz doesn't look to be fit enough, but our bowling limitation means he'll still be picked, which should cost his average & SR, I expect him to reach there before 70th ODI still.
 
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Hasan Ali will get 100 wickets before Mustafizur. Not sure how many games it will take though.
 
Hassan gets wickets

Even if he gets blasted he will still get a few wickets,The fizz just has a left armers angle and some cutters and a very good Yorker,Hassan gets swing,Reverse and conventional,Bowls a line and length a bit quicker then the fizz
 
Fiz is second coming of Wasim Akram, actually he is better than him...

Hassan will and for sure will get before that 'Fiz"
 
Hasan Ali is a more consistent and versatile bowler who has the ability to take wickets in all sorts of conditions.

Mustafizur is a one-trick pony who takes wickets in Bangaldesh. We saw how useless and exposed he was in England taking 1 wicket in 4 games and some posters here were saying he would be the best young bowler of the tournament.

Hasan will likely get there first unless Bangladesh continue playing at home and not be invited by the bigger cricketing nations for bilaterals like they rarely have been in the past.
 
Fizz is easily the better bowler. Hasan Ali is good, I mean really good especially with the old ball but he is no match for fizz.

Their stats seems identical because fizz is currently recovering from a serious injury which forced him to drastically reduce his bowling speed whereas Hasan Ali is now fully fit and going through a purple patch.

But he doesn't belong to the league of fizz. Fizz is in the league of starc, rabada,bhuvi
 
Hassan has played almost half of the matches in England and Australia. If Fizz had played that many outside Bangladesh, he would not have taken even half the number of wickets.

Hassan is way way ahead at the moment.
 
Coconut said:
Fizz is easily the better bowler. Hasan Ali is good, I mean really good especially with the old ball but he is no match for fizz.

Their stats seems identical because fizz is currently recovering from a serious injury which forced him to drastically reduce his bowling speed whereas Hasan Ali is now fully fit and going through a purple patch.

But he doesn't belong to the league of fizz. Fizz is in the league of starc, rabada,bhuvi
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Fizz is the Bradman of bowling in Bangladesh only. Outside, he has not done jack. It is an insult to compare CT player of the tournament to the likes of Fizz.
 
Fizz bowled quite well in NZ. He bowled poorly for the most part in the CT (bowled well vs NZ incidentally). And the reason has nothing to do with the conditions or even of his cutter being "found out". He kept beating the bat of guys like Joe Root with none other than the cutter.

Fizz's problem was that his line and length were poor, especially with the new ball. He wasn't at his best. In fact, one way to understand Fizz's class is the percentage of his wickets that are clean bowled. That takes some skill.

Top marks to Hasan Ali for his performances, but I think Fizz is just as good a bowler if not better.
 
Billy1999 said:
Hassan gets wickets

Even if he gets blasted he will still get a few wickets,The fizz just has a left armers angle and some cutters and a very good Yorker,Hassan gets swing,Reverse and conventional,Bowls a line and length a bit quicker then the fizz
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Not to mention the fact that Hassan also seams the ball, and can get bounce. Fizz has yet to develop these traits.
 
Coconut said:
Fizz is easily the better bowler. Hasan Ali is good, I mean really good especially with the old ball but he is no match for fizz.

Their stats seems identical because fizz is currently recovering from a serious injury which forced him to drastically reduce his bowling speed whereas Hasan Ali is now fully fit and going through a purple patch.

But he doesn't belong to the league of fizz. Fizz is in the league of starc, rabada,bhuvi
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Sorry coconut!!! Fizz is hugely overated and Hassan is a miles better bowler.

Fizz has performed against mostly runbish teams in mirpur apart from the one home series v india.

A one trick pony and the trick has been found out. He does not have any swing!

Hassan swings the ball. Reverses it. Is faster. Wilier. More variety.
In a different league.
 
Fizz is the fast bowling variant of Imad Wasim. On certain pitches he will be killer, the rest he will be negotiated with relative ease.

Better comparison is Rumman Raees.
 
They are both talented young bowlers. It should be a close race. Personally I am just in awe of Hassan. I rate him higher than any other pak fast bowler. The kid has a heart of steel.
 
Coconut said:
Fizz is easily the better bowler. Hasan Ali is good, I mean really good especially with the old ball but he is no match for fizz.

Their stats seems identical because fizz is currently recovering from a serious injury which forced him to drastically reduce his bowling speed whereas Hasan Ali is now fully fit and going through a purple patch.

But he doesn't belong to the league of fizz. Fizz is in the league of starc, rabada,bhuvi
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You are not Bangladeshi and are just writing silly things to make us look bad.
 
The way apna Joe smashed the fizz was la jawab viewership

The fizz was all over the shop
Gets away with it because he has a magic delivery called

Get ready

I don't think your ready

Are you sure

Right whoever reads this is the 3rd person to understand after me and the Fizz himself

Right it's called a cutter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The Googly said:
Sorry coconut!!! Fizz is hugely overated and Hassan is a miles better bowler.

Fizz has performed against mostly runbish teams in mirpur apart from the one home series v india.

A one trick pony and the trick has been found out. He does not have any swing!

Hassan swings the ball. Reverses it. Is faster. Wilier. More variety.
In a different league.
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I'd love to agree with ur post but sadly I can't. Because it's factually incorrect.

Fact is most of fizz's top class performances came against some of the best teams in the world. He has two five wicket haul against the best batting team in the world, ie India. He literally owned batters like rohit, dhawan and Dhoni with his mesmerizing bowling skill.


Fizz destroyed the batting lineup of current no 1 ranked t20 team newzealand in the last world t20. He literally toyed with some of the best batsmen in the world when he played against them in 2016 ipl. There's a reason why he still averages below 15 in t20s.


Hasan Ali is an excellent bowler, I really admire his passion and enthusiasm. But sadly he isn't comparable to fizz. Fizz is in a completely different league.
 
Sorry but 82mph Fizzy is garbage.

Best years are behind him.

Will get destroyed as BD golden 2 years are over.
 
Hassan is not much faster. He bowls 83-87 mph range.

It's the skill that counts these days. They are both extremely skillful. Rehman will be remembered as a Bangladesh legend 20 years from now.
 
Hassan reverses the ball st decent pace, brings it in and takes it away, uses angles beautifully to make life difficult for batsmen. Just ask oh just some of the top batsmen in the world
 
Shutdown Corner said:
Fizz still has his cutter though. What does Hasan have? IMO, he's too short to have sustained success.
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Haha.

Anyone that thinks fizzy is better is most likely a Bengali.

While Hasan will become even better Mustafiz is already in decline.

Some teams just cannot surpass us no matter what.
 
People can rate one guy without trashing the other.

Both are very good bowlers. But both have different style and skillset. They're not 1.1 comparable.

Hasan is ahead, but Fizz is also good considering his own strengths.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Haha.

Anyone that thinks fizzy is better is most likely a Bengali.

While Hasan will become even better Mustafiz is already in decline.

Some teams just cannot surpass us no matter what.
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Let him get a 5fer first. In this forum BD never had their golden days nor they will have. So we can ignore those remarks of some fan.
 
He already has two including one in Australia on a pitch where the opposition scored 350 odd.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
Fizz still has his cutter though. What does Hasan have? IMO, he's too short to have sustained success.
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Fizz is literally just one inch taller than Hassan. I am sure that one inch will make a big difference in how their career pans out :)).

BDwarriors said:
Let him get a 5fer first. In this forum BD never had their golden days nor they will have. So we can ignore those remarks of some fan.
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He has two already.
 
If you guys think Fizz is bad why are you constantly making threads and comparing your best bowlers with Fizz?

It doesn't make any sense.
 
BDfanforever said:
If you guys think Fizz is bad why are you constantly making threads and comparing your best bowlers with Fizz?

It doesn't make any sense.
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Read the OP again, the poster called Fizz a smart and skilled bowler. Most Pakistanis dont think he is bad, most rate him, its just a couple who think he is ordinary. Similar to how there are fans on BD forums who claim that every Pakistani bowler chucks :)).
 
BDfanforever said:
If you guys think Fizz is bad why are you constantly making threads and comparing your best bowlers with Fizz?

It doesn't make any sense.
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Who said he's bad. Read the thread. There will always be some haters for any player though
 
Poutine said:
Fizz is literally just one inch taller than Hassan. I am sure that one inch will make a big difference in how their career pans out :)).
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Fizz is the same height as Waqar or Shoaib. Hasan looks to be a good 3 or 4 inches shorter. isnt he around 5'8''?
 
Coconut said:
I'd love to agree with ur post but sadly I can't. Because it's factually incorrect.

Fact is most of fizz's top class performances came against some of the best teams in the world. He has two five wicket haul against the best batting team in the world, ie India. He literally owned batters like rohit, dhawan and Dhoni with his mesmerizing bowling skill.


Fizz destroyed the batting lineup of current no 1 ranked t20 team newzealand in the last world t20. He literally toyed with some of the best batsmen in the world when he played against them in 2016 ipl. There's a reason why he still averages below 15 in t20s.


Hasan Ali is an excellent bowler, I really admire his passion and enthusiasm. But sadly he isn't comparable to fizz. Fizz is in a completely different league.
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Hi Coconut

I respect the fact that you answered back with a cricketing response and did not resort to stupid personal remarks when you disagree with someone.

Cricket is a game of opinion. Let's agree to disagree!

I really believe that Fizz has a long way to go. When he has performed abroad and won test matches for your country, I will re-evaluate. For now, Hassan appears to be the more skilled and varied bowler. He has won a tournament for his country in foreign conditions against the top nations. He also looks more suited to tests then Fizz who appears to be a odi and t20 specialist in home conditions with one trick.

I trust you can see why I am making these points and not blindly assuming I'm being anti-BD. Far from it.
 
Really interesting question 1 is death overs specialist the other is an opening bowler. I would say Hassan Ali as batsman will be trying to go after him so more likely to play loose shots. But fiz also bowls at the depth so can get similar wickets. Ban are also likely to play more matches against Afg, Ire and Zim in the near future so will be interesting race. Would like to see where they both stand 2 years from now at the world cup.
 
Couch Cricketer said:
Really interesting question 1 is death overs specialist the other is an opening bowler. I would say Hassan Ali as batsman will be trying to go after him so more likely to play loose shots. But fiz also bowls at the depth so can get similar wickets. Ban are also likely to play more matches against Afg, Ire and Zim in the near future so will be interesting race. Would like to see where they both stand 2 years from now at the world cup.
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Hasan Ali is a middle overs bowler for now. That is the most difficult time to take a wicket because the ball is getting older and the batsmen are usually settled.
 
This is really unpredictable.

Hassan has much better skills. But, the fact that cannot be ignored is, Fizz gonna play most of his matches against Zim, Sl, Ire, WI. Whereas it's quite opposite for Hassan.

Even if you look at past one year. These were the series for Hassan.

1.Debut series. 5 matches vs England, on batting paradises.
2.3 vs WI
3.5 vs AUS on the flattest of pitches.
4.3 vs WI
5.5 in CT against top teams.

Out of 21 matches, 15 are against top teams(5 vs England, 5 vs AUS, 5 at the CT) on flat pitches. That is almost 72% of his games. Still he has those outstanding stats. Compare this to the likes of Bumrah and Fizz where they mostly played against minnows, or at easier pitches.

That's some serious potential. Coming to the question. Fizz might get there quickly if he plays on dusty pitches of Bangla and keep playing against Minnows. But if both play against same opposition, Hassan might take 10 innings less than Fizz to reach the milestone.
 
Shaik said:
This is really unpredictable.

Hassan has much better skills. But, the fact that cannot be ignored is, Fizz gonna play most of his matches against Zim, Sl, Ire, WI. Whereas it's quite opposite for Hassan.

Even if you look at past one year. These were the series for Hassan.

1.Debut series. 5 matches vs England, on batting paradises.
2.3 vs WI
3.5 vs AUS on the flattest of pitches.
4.3 vs WI
5.5 in CT against top teams.

Out of 21 matches, 15 are against top teams(5 vs England, 5 vs AUS, 5 at the CT) on flat pitches. That is almost 72% of his games. Still he has those outstanding stats. Compare this to the likes of Bumrah and Fizz where they mostly played against minnows, or at easier pitches.

That's some serious potential. Coming to the question. Fizz might get there quickly if he plays on dusty pitches of Bangla and keep playing against Minnows. But if both play against same opposition, Hassan might take 10 innings less than Fizz to reach the milestone.
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Great point.
 
Hassan Ali: Out of 42 wickets, 30 are against AUS, ENG, IND, SA (top 4 teams)

Out of 42 wickets, 33 are on flattest of pitches in ENG and AUS.
 
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Coconut said:
I'd love to agree with ur post but sadly I can't. Because it's factually incorrect.

Fact is most of fizz's top class performances came against some of the best teams in the world. He has two five wicket haul against the best batting team in the world, ie India. He literally owned batters like rohit, dhawan and Dhoni with his mesmerizing bowling skill.


Fizz destroyed the batting lineup of current no 1 ranked t20 team newzealand in the last world t20. He literally toyed with some of the best batsmen in the world when he played against them in 2016 ipl. There's a reason why he still averages below 15 in t20s.


Hasan Ali is an excellent bowler, I really admire his passion and enthusiasm. But sadly he isn't comparable to fizz. Fizz is in a completely different league.
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LOL. That was one 3 match series at home against India and you're saying as if he consistently destroyed India's batting line-up. Also, being a good t20 bowler or performing well in the IPL don't necessarily make you a good bowler, just ask Sohail Tanvir.

I'm sorry but you are just wrong. It's really hard for me to even take your point of view seriously.
 
LOL at the people who think being great in t20s makes you a legend. It can only happen in Bangladesh because other countries don't even take it seriously
 
Shaik said:
This is really unpredictable.

Hassan has much better skills. But, the fact that cannot be ignored is, Fizz gonna play most of his matches against Zim, Sl, Ire, WI. Whereas it's quite opposite for Hassan.

Even if you look at past one year. These were the series for Hassan.

1.Debut series. 5 matches vs England, on batting paradises.
2.3 vs WI
3.5 vs AUS on the flattest of pitches.
4.3 vs WI
5.5 in CT against top teams.

Out of 21 matches, 15 are against top teams(5 vs England, 5 vs AUS, 5 at the CT) on flat pitches. That is almost 72% of his games. Still he has those outstanding stats. Compare this to the likes of Bumrah and Fizz where they mostly played against minnows, or at easier pitches.

That's some serious potential. Coming to the question. Fizz might get there quickly if he plays on dusty pitches of Bangla and keep playing against Minnows. But if both play against same opposition, Hassan might take 10 innings less than Fizz to reach the milestone.
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Here's an ODI analysis if we ignore matches against ZIM, IRE, and AFG.

Mustafiz: 32 wickets @ 23.56...5.13 rpo...27.5 strike rate

The overall average and run rate for those 22 ODI matches is 32.95 and 5.33 respectively (includes both Bangladesh and opposition teams).

Now for Hasan's stats:

Hasan: 42 wickets @ 22.16...5.50 rpo...24.1 strike rate

The overall average and run rate for those 21 ODI matches is 35.91 and 5.62 respectively (includes both Pakistan and opposition teams).

Now its very easy to make a relative comparison of either bowler.

Mustafiz (23.56/32.95)*(5.13/5.33) = 0.688
Hasan (22.16/35.91)*(5.50/5.62) = 0.604

So based on these numbers, Hasan is significantly a more effective ODI bowler than Mustafiz.
 
Both trundlers only good for ODIs.
A bowler isn't a real bowler if he can't bowl tests.
 
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Abdullah719 said:
Trundlers bowling at 90 MPH these days, swinging and seaming the ball and bouncing people out :hasanali
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Play him in tests and find out his calibre.Mohd sami was a threatening bowler too when he first came on the scene.Wahab riaz and junaid too bowl fast and furious in patches.Only amir is true class bowler of pakistan,others are good but not someone to remember.
 
austerlitz said:
Play him in tests and find out his calibre.Mohd sami was a threatening bowler too when he first came on the scene.Wahab riaz and junaid too bowl fast and furious in patches.Only amir is true class bowler of pakistan,others are good but not someone to remember.
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Mohd Shami still is but hasn't played too many ODI's in recent times due to the rise of Bumrah and Bhuvi. Coming back to the topic, Hasan Ali looks the real deal and will mostly be the first to get to the milestones.
 
giri26 said:
Mohd Shami still is but hasn't played too many ODI's in recent times due to the rise of Bumrah and Bhuvi. Coming back to the topic, Hasan Ali looks the real deal and will mostly be the first to get to the milestones.
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I meant the pak pacer sami who was fast too.Hasan ali doesnt have the feel of a great bowler,a handy one - sure.He's bumrah class or maybe somewhat better.Useful asset in LOIs.Not someone that will run through a opposition batting order.And even less chance of doing that in tests.
 
austerlitz said:
Play him in tests and find out his calibre.Mohd sami was a threatening bowler too when he first came on the scene.Wahab riaz and junaid too bowl fast and furious in patches.Only amir is true class bowler of pakistan,others are good but not someone to remember.
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Where have you been living bro...?:facepalm:
 
Hasan Ali - 82 wickets in 51 innings, 73 wickets in 45 innings excl Afg, Zimb, Irl and HK

Mustafizur - 91 wickets in 50 innings, 71 wickets in 41 innings excl Afgf, Zimb and Irl

The fizz is doing very well but it is still competitive, although Fizz will reach the 100 milestone quicker.
 
The decline of Hasan is quite heart breaking actually - he is on any to be dropped from PAK squad after this WC. His over all stats are still decent : 82 wickets @ 29/31/5.6 (A/SR/E); but his last 15 months have been absolute rubbish. He might have to wait for many months to reach 100 wickets.
 
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