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Looks like Mighty Hash is on his way out but I hope he can turn his fortunes and stick around for a couple more years.
 
Some of his fans have refused to consider certain batsmen as ATGs because they finished with a career average of below 50. If Amla retires with a below 50 average, I hope that they will stick to their policy and retract from calling Amla an ATG.
 
Has had a steep decline to his game at a young age. Surprising given the fact that he has a pretty good solid technique.

Looks like he's nearing the end. Hopefully he turns it around. Great test batsman.
 
The end is nigh :9:
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Another failure for the sinking ship.
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This is what he played like half a decade ago, before his golden run started. This is exactly what'll happen to players with an iffy technique, especially at his age & in SA, not unlike Steven Smith.
 
Someone on twitter said "Amla has been bowled 7 times in his last 24 innings. He was only bowled 9 times in the 74 before that".

A similar thing happened to Dravid late in his career where he would get clean bowled a lot albeit it was a few years later than Amla who, at 33, isn't really that old.
 
Give the poor guy a break. Every one goes through lean patches. Form is temporary class is permanent.
 
He will do South Africa great service if he doesn't play in the 2019 World Cup. Their chances of finally winning the World Cup will significantly enhance.
 
Hash isn't actually failing, but he is not converting the starts into big scores which is frustrating people even more, the kind of Standards Hashim has set over the years, that is why people expect a lot from a player like him.

Hashim should be good, I'm damn sure a century is coming in the next 2-3 innings, God Willing.
 
Do for how long do we keep bumping threads?
Amla has looked in good touch. Played a dogged innings in the first innings of the first Test. You could tell he was low on confidence and simply wanted to bat time.
He partially achieved that, lasted 60 odd balls.
In the second dig he was fluent and exuded confidence. It's only a matter of time now before he rips someone apart.
 
Amla is a great player and irrespective of his average (which he will fix) think the thread is being bumped for that one poster who doesn't believe ATGs can have average of below 50.
 
Amla went into a little slump at the end of 2014 too. It's been 7 games since he's last made a ton. Most greats make a ton every 8 games; so Amla's on track of a ton or double ton soon.
 
He's striking them pretty well so it's weird that he's stuck in this rut. Maybe a move back down to #4 will do him good.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I think we can safely say that Amla is no ATG. :amla
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Lol, the amount of times Amla has embarrassed you in his career, without even being aware of your existence is funny and sad at the same time. Do be a chap and bump this thread when he scores a century too. :amla
 
Bilal7 said:
Lol, the amount of times Amla has embarrassed you in his career, without even being aware of your existence is funny and sad at the same time. Do be a chap and bump this thread when he scores a century too. :amla
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You mean the way he embarrassed me while touring India and Australia? A middle order batsman who averages less than 50 in test cricket especially in this era should not even be considered for ATG status.
 
Rabada has brushed off all Amla talks by saying that the dressing room is not at all concerned about his form, and Hash is good enough to know how to get back to scoring tons. He is not a robot to be scoring tons all the time.
 
sam_ahm said:
Rabada has brushed off all Amla talks by saying that the dressing room is not at all concerned about his form, and Hash is good enough to know how to get back to scoring tons. He is not a robot to be scoring tons all the time.
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He might not be in terminal decline, but Rabada's comments aren't relevant. Of course as his teammate, he will not say that he is in decline and they are losing confidence in him. In fact, I don't think anyone in SA doubts his ability to bounce back, but over the last couple of years, he has had quite a few lean patches and is not the same run scoring machine he was from 2009-2013. Given his age, it is quite clear that the clock is ticking, but of course he is still capable of producing big innings every now and then.
 
Proteas want special 100th Test for Amla

South Africa will look to celebrate Hashim Amla's 100th cricket Test by completing a series whitewash over Sri Lanka in the third Test at the Wanderers from Thursday.

Having thumped Sri Lanka by 206 runs and 282 runs in the first two matches, South Africa have extra impetus from Amla's milestone to keep the visitors unhappy.

Quiet by nature, Amla has turned down the offer of a special dinner to mark the occasion and has steered clear of speaking to the press, but his teammates intend to turn a dead rubber into a memorable match.

"Hashim has been one of our pillars over a long period of time. It would be really nice for us to give him a victory," fast bowler Wayne Parnell said on Tuesday.

Amla made his debut against India in Kolkata in November 2004, and although he struggled in his first three Tests, he overcame that hurdle to become one of South Africa's most prolific batsmen.

Now 33, Amla has scored 7,665 runs in Test cricket at an average just below 50, and his unbeaten 311 against England at The Oval is the highest score by a South African in Tests.

However, he has undergone a rare lean patch over the past six months, when he has gone 12 innings without a hundred, and nine without a half-century.

"He's a brilliant player, but he's not in form in this series. Hopefully it will be the same in this match as well," Sri Lanka batsman Dhananjaya de Silva said.

Sri Lanka have struggled with the seam movement on South Africa's pitches, failing to pass 300 in their four innings.

They are unlikely to have any respite at the Wanderers, where South Africa are contemplating the employment of four fast bowlers to take advantage of seam-friendly conditions.

Amla has scored just two of his 25 Test centuries at the venue, with the most recent one coming more than five years ago.

But whether or not he breaks that run and marks his 100th test with a score of note, his impact on South African cricket is not in question.

"You can look up stats and see the records and that tells one half of the tale. The person he is is more important," opening batsman Stephen Cook said.

"You are a human being first and a cricketer second, and he epitomises that."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/01/11/07/08/proteas-want-special-100th-test-for-amla
 
Our players want a birthday party after each 50 or 100 they score, prior to several press conferences. :sanga

It's been very nice seeing how everyone from KP to Clarke to Holding has praised his temperament and skill, while labelling him a great player ahead of his 100th test. Hope he marks the occasion with a big one.
 
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Steven Smith: Hashim Amla is everything one wants in a Test cricketer

Hashim Amla will become the eighth Proteas player to reach 100 Test caps when his side takes on Sri Lanka in the third and final Test of the three-match series in Johannesburg.

Australian skipper Steve Smith has heaped praise on veteran South African batsman Hashim Amla, saying he is everything one wants in a Test cricketer. Amla will become the eighth Proteas player to reach 100 Test caps when his side takes on Sri Lanka in the third and final Test of the three-match series in Johannesburg. Labelling the 33-year-old South African as one of the nicest guys on the cricketing circuit, Smith said he has always heard great things about the former. Amla joins Jacques Kallis, Mark Boucher, Graeme Smith, Shaun Pollock, AB de Villiers, Gary Kirsten and Makhaya Ntini in the ’100 club’.

"To play 100 Tests is an incredible feat and it means you’re doing so many things right on and off the field, "Sport24 quoted Smith as saying.

“Those are the kind of players that come on once every now and again. He’s done a terrific job for South Africa and we wish him all the best in his 100 Test match and all the bets on the future as well.”

“He’s incredibly consistent, he knows his game incredibly well in all conditions and he occupies the crease for long periods of time and scores big scores … he’s everything you want in a Test player,” he added.

Moreover, former Australian skipper Michael Clarke has also admitted that he hated captaining when used to be at the crease.

“I always hated having to captain against him because he’s so hard to set the field too,” he said. “He bases his game around a great defence and he finds ways to be successful across all three formats. The game of cricket is hard so he goes through some tough times but it shows his character to be able to sustain that, get through that and turn things around,” he added.

Amla remains the only South African to have scored a triple century when he scored 311* against England at the Oval back in 2012. Amla has played 17 Test matches against Australia and has scored at a healthy average of 45.93, including five centuries.
 
Du Plessis leads tributes to Amla’s century stand

Standard Bank Proteas captain, Faf du Plessis, has led the tributes to star batsman, Hashim Amla, ahead of his 100th Test match for South Africa in the third Sunfoil Test against Sri Lanka starting at the Bidvest Wanderers Stadium on Thursday. Amla will become the eighth player to achieve the milestone after Gary Kirsten, Shaun Pollock, Jacques Kallis, Mark Boucher, Makhaya Ntini, Graeme Smith and AB de Villiers.

His illustrious 12-year career is highlighted by his career-best 311 against England at The Oval in 2012, a record which still stands as South Africa’s highest individual Test score, along with a rare double-hundred (253*) against India in Nagpur in 2010. His consistency and focus have been the remarkable underlying factors to his career average of 49.45, which has been buoyed by 25 hundreds in his 7665 career runs.

Du Plessis says Amla’s contributions on, and more-so off the field, have been invaluable towards the change room and praised the 33-year-old for the impact he has played on South African cricket.

“It’s an amazing achievement,” Du Plessis said ahead of the match on Wednesday. “100 Test matches is fantastic, it’s something that I won’t come close to. As a team, we are very proud of him, it’s a big day for him. Hashim being Hashim doesn’t want anything special, it’s just another Test match for him. It will be nice to see him have a great day and score big runs, we are 100% behind him, he is a great player for us.

“He has been the rock of our batting,” he continued. “He has been the most consistent player, with Jacques Kallis, that South Africa has ever had. At the top of my head I think he has had two lean patches in his career, it feels like I can go through a lean patch anytime, but with Hashim it just doesn’t happen.

“Although he isn’t scoring as many runs at the moment, what he brings off the field still offers a lot. What he has done for my game is the fact that when he is scoring runs or not scoring runs he is exactly the same person. That brings a calmness to the dressing room, even when he is not scoring runs he is adding value. He has taught me to look at success and failure in the same way.”

The Proteas will relish the opportunity to put in a memorable performance in light of the occasion, but more importantly, to cement their dominance on the struggling visitors. Du Plessis says it will be important not to allow complacency to set in after a disruptive few days.

“The focus shifts to the fact that you play a lot of international cricket and that there are a lot of tough times,” he said. “You don’t get yourself into opportunities like this very often, so for me that becomes the focus. We want to make sure that we dominate a team that we are on top of at the moment. The whole series we have been good against them, we have been consistent, for me it’s an opportunity to make sure we win the series 3-0.”
 
CSA CONGRATULATES HASHIM AMLA ON CENTURY OF TEST CAPS

HASHIM AMLA today became the eighth Protea to complete a century of Test match appearances for the Standard Bank Proteas when the third Sunfoil Test match between the Proteas and Sri Lanka started at the Bidvest Wanderers Stadium this morning.

He follows in the footsteps of Jacques Kallis (165 matches), Mark Boucher (146), Graeme Smith (116), Shaun Pollock (108), AB de Villiers (106), Gary Kirsten (101) and Makhaya Ntini (101) as members of this distinguished club.

“Congratulations to Hashim on this wonderful achievement,” commented Cricket South Africa (CSA) Chief Executive, Haroon Lorgat. “He has entertained us all with many memorable moments during his outstanding career and will undoubtedly continue to do so for some time to come. Inevitably, the memories flood back to his triple century at The Oval when the Proteas equalled a world record by winning a Test match after losing only two wickets; his innings of 196, the highest for the Proteas against Australia since unity, that helped clinch the series win ‘down under’; and his century in Sri Lanka when he led the Proteas to only their second Test series win in that country.

“There have been many, many others that are simply too numerous to mention.

“Possibly, most important of all, he has been a role model to the nation, particularly to the youth, for his humble nature and the balanced outlook he brings to all aspects of his life.

"South African cricket and indeed South African sport has been enriched by his massive contribution and we congratulate him and thank him for that,” concluded Mr. Lorgat.

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CSA vice-president Thabang Moroe congratulates Hashim Amla

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Proteas team manager Dr. Mohammed Moosajee congratulates Hashim Amla
 
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Amla.

Gun test bat.

Gun human being.

I do hope he plays for long and gets the ATG tag.

His test batsmanship is defo ATG quality.
 
Grinds out a 50 in his 100th test, in difficult batting conditions. Hope he doubles it.
 
great achievement for Hash a great guy by all accounts and a world class batsman. Would be nice to see him get a 100 on his 100th Test.
 
On an overcast day he is effortlessly punching it on back foot and driving it on front

Showing the glimpse of the mighty hash.....Make it huge now for god sake
 
Always good to see a batsman score a hundred in his hundredth Test.

Has had a decent career.
Congratulations.
 
Amla's approach to practice has not changed, and as recently as the Australia tour he was training as hard as ever. South Africa were preparing for their first day-night Test with a pink ball and Dale Steyn was bowling to Amla. "After that session, I walked into the change room and I said, 'Either I'm ****, or that net is really flat, because Hashim just bliksemmed [smacked] me everywhere.'"
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Great to see all the plaudits that have flown in for the greatest batsman of the last decade.

On 99 now... :amla
 
This innings was Amla's career in a nutshell. Early struggles, close calls, then found his touch and played like the legend he is. Like S. Smith said, everything you want in a dream test player and more. MashAllah.
 
Amla has been around for a while but it has never felt like that, congrats to the champion bat and cricket south africa
 
Well it was just a matter of time really... Great to see Hashim score a century, and after scoring his fifty the way he kicked on just goes to show that even the very best of players can start to worry about milestones and it plays on their mind if they don't score a 50 or a 100 for so long.

Some very good posts above, the one which says this innings pretty much sums up Amla's career, yes well noticed indeed.

I do agree with mamoon as well, Hash is still not as consistent as he once was, bit let's see if he carries on from here and gets back to his peak again. Congratulations and all the very best to Hash. I just hope he gets to 10000 runs and plays the 2019 WC.
 
The only arguable ATG since Sangakkara...His 2010-2014 form where he was the best batsman in the world can provide evidence that he can go toe to toe with the best of the best. Averaging 64 in 45 matches and 17 100s is ridiculously good.

Him and Younis Khan are among those batsmen who sadly fail to make it to that elite category for various reasons...then again we can count how many ATGs there has been post 90s on one had.
 
Don't disrespect Amla by comparing him to Younis. The one-legged-hopper wouldn't last 20 overs in the conditions Amla regularly plays in.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Don't disrespect Amla by comparing him to Younis. The one-legged-hopper wouldn't last 20 overs in the conditions Amla regularly plays in.
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When Amla can score a 200 at the age of 43, then he need not be compared to the 'one-legged-hopper' since he would be miles ahead.
 
Arguably the finest player of lateral movement of his generation. He's a truly great batsman you'd back to succeed against bowlers of any era.
 
Average of 45+ in Australia, 50+ in South Africa, 60+ in India, 70+ in both England and the UAE. Averages 40+ against all the top eight nations, despite batting at #3 on some of the most difficult pitches to bat on in the world.

Also, has done no minnow bashing in his career. Amla really is an outstanding batsman. A true ATG.
 
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Fuss-free Amla pleased to be back in the runs

Thursday, 12 January 2017

Hashim Amla has credited his quiet focus in the build-up to his 100th Test match for South Africa as the motivation behind his 26th Test hundred in the third Sunfoil Test match against Sri Lanka at the Bidvest Wanderers Stadium on Thursday. Amla shied away from the fanfare and media hype ahead of the ceremonious occasion, and rather placed his attention on regaining some form after an unusually lean period.

The unbeaten century (125) could not have been more perfectly scripted to suit the occasion, and further highlighted Amla’s immense character and brilliance, given the pressures of the situation.

“I just wanted to have a quiet build-up to the match,” he said after the day’s play. “There have been some frustrations after not getting runs over the last couple of games and not contributing to the team’s success. I wanted my focus to be as pure as possible with no side attractions or razzmatazz. I personally feel I’m grateful to get a hundred (matches), there is no disrespect to it, but I had more important things, which was to try and work on my game when I was as least distracted as possible.

“To be honest the silver lining to me not scoring runs in the last two Test matches has meant that my focus was basically on scoring runs. I needed to score runs and that was my focus, I’m glad to be playing this Test match. I remember being involved in AB’s (De Villiers) and Graeme’s (Smith) which was a lovely moment so I’m grateful to be sitting here after scoring some runs.”

Amla explained the decision to bat first in sporting conditions, and expects the conditions to deteriorate as the match progresses. The nature of the wicket makes it important for the batsmen to craft out a big first innings contribution to allow the four-seam attack enough leverage to bowl the opposition out twice.

“There was a period where they didn’t bowl very well I felt, we managed to score quickly,” he said. “The fact that we batted first, we were thinking about Day four and Day five on a wicket like this which could be even more difficult to bat on. I still think it’s a challenging wicket, with the new ball there is quite a lot of nip, it’s still shaping.”
 
His test record is incredible.

The man has performed everywhere except WI and Bangladesh (due to lack of matches).

Definitely an ATG.
 
Ovverated in LO but an outstanding test match batsmen. If he can finish with an average of 50 plus I'll rate him as a great test batsmen.
 
He is done and dusted.. should cash out right now and he might end up as an SA great although it's debatable
 
Haz95 said:
The only arguable ATG since Sangakkara...His 2010-2014 form where he was the best batsman in the world can provide evidence that he can go toe to toe with the best of the best. Averaging 64 in 45 matches and 17 100s is ridiculously good.

Him and Younis Khan are among those batsmen who sadly fail to make it to that elite category for various reasons...then again we can count how many ATGs there has been post 90s on one had.
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on what grounds is Sangakkara great and Amla not?
 
Not a Test ATG yet. Needs to go on a little longer to be considered a Test ATG.

If he retires now, his career will be a story of 3 parts.
A poor start
An amazing run for 5 years
An end with a whimper

Generally, ATG batsmen have shown that they are more than an amazing run and have the ability to come back or adapt their game as they get older.

Can Amla become an ATG in tests? Of course, he just needs to keep scoring for another couple of years.
 
Sidilicious said:
Not a Test ATG yet. Needs to go on a little longer to be considered a Test ATG.

If he retires now, his career will be a story of 3 parts.
A poor start
An amazing run for 5 years
An end with a whimper

Generally, ATG batsmen have shown that they are more than an amazing run and have the ability to come back or adapt their game as they get older.

Can Amla become an ATG in tests? Of course, he just needs to keep scoring for another couple of years.
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His poor start, which you list as a full part of his career lasted four matches or so. He made a comeback and from 2006-7 to 2009 he was a good, test class batsman. Then he was the best batsman in the world from 2010 to early 2015 and dominated everywhere. Since then, he's been in some bad form but still averages 50+ over the last year.

He's already an ATG, scoring for a couple more years will only add to his legacy, not to his status. To say nothing about his ODI game.
 
Bilal7 said:
Average of 45+ in Australia, 50+ in South Africa, 60+ in India, 70+ in both England and the UAE. Averages 40+ against all the top eight nations, despite batting at #3 on some of the most difficult pitches to bat on in the world.

Also, has done no minnow bashing in his career. Amla really is an outstanding batsman. A true ATG.
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Correct.

But like [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] said do NOT disrespect Amla by mentioning Younis in the same sentence.

The FTB does not deserve that.
 
Bilal7 said:
His poor start, which you list as a full part of his career lasted four matches or so. He made a comeback and from 2006-7 to 2009 he was a good, test class batsman. Then he was the best batsman in the world from 2010 to early 2015 and dominated everywhere. Since then, he's been in some bad form but still averages 50+ over the last year.

He's already an ATG, scoring for a couple more years will only add to his legacy, not to his status. To say nothing about his ODI game.
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Please check the stats before you comment.
First 22 tests; Average - 33
Next 19 tests; Average - 49
Next 41 tests; Average - 66
Next 18 tests; Average - 37

So, he had a very average first 22 tests, and a decent run of 19 tests.

Only in 41 tests was he amazing. Then again in the last 18 tests (including the final test against SL) he has averaged a mere 37.

Only 41 tests of average 66, and another 16 averaging 49 do not make him ATG. He needs another 20 odd tests of averaging 50+ to become an ATG.
 
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Please check the stats before you comment.
First 22 tests; Average - 33
Next 19 tests; Average - 49
Next 41 tests; Average - 66
Next 18 tests; Average - 37

So, he had a very average first 22 tests, and a decent run of 19 tests.

Only in 41 tests was he amazing. Then again in the last 18 tests (including the final test against SL) he has averaged a mere 37.

Only 41 tests of average 66, and another 16 averaging 49 do not make him ATG. He needs another 20 odd tests of averaging 50+ to become an ATG.
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Batsmen struggle at the start of their careers often - that doesn't stop them from becoming greats of the game. It can be argued that Amla needs to bat at a high level for another year or more considering that he still has <8000 runs but his incredibly balanced record and the way he's made runs in all conditions easily negates the slowish start to his career.
 
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Batsmen struggle at the start of their careers often - that doesn't stop them from becoming greats of the game. It can be argued that Amla needs to bat at a high level for another year or more considering that he still has <8000 runs but his incredibly balanced record and the way he's made runs in all conditions easily negates the slowish start to his career.
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Absolutely. But he needs to go on a little longer. Otherwise, he would have been a top tier batsman for only 40 odd tests. To be an ATG, a batsman needs to be a top tier player for longer.
 
Hawkeye said:
Correct.

But like [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] said do NOT disrespect Amla by mentioning Younis in the same sentence.

The FTB does not deserve that.
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Amla and Younis are the only two ATG batsmen still playing. Amla is better, but Younis is a legend himself.

Stop trying to become a Mamoon clone. Younis averages 50+ in both England and Australia, 40+ in New Zealand and has a superb century in South Africa.

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Please check the stats before you comment.
First 22 tests; Average - 33
Next 19 tests; Average - 49
Next 41 tests; Average - 66
Next 18 tests; Average - 37

So, he had a very average first 22 tests, and a decent run of 19 tests.

Only in 41 tests was he amazing. Then again in the last 18 tests (including the final test against SL) he has averaged a mere 37.

Only 41 tests of average 66, and another 16 averaging 49 do not make him ATG. He needs another 20 odd tests of averaging 50+ to become an ATG.
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Lol. What sort of random stat is that? Any rhyme or reason for the groupings you have made? Why not make it first 40, second 40 and last 20? Why not 50 and 50? Why not 25, 25, 25, 25?
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla and Younis are the only two ATG batsmen still playing. Amla is better, but Younis is a legend himself.

Stop trying to become a Mamoon clone. Younis averages 50+ in both England and Australia, 40+ in New Zealand and has a superb century in South Africa.



Lol. What sort of random stat is that? Any rhyme or reason for the groupings you have made? Why not make it first 40, second 40 and last 20? Why not 50 and 50? Why not 25, 25, 25, 25?
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Thats was a cricinfo article. Cricinfo had divided it into 5 groups of
22 Tests; Average 33
19 Tests; Average 49
18 Tests; Average 62
23 Tests; Average 69
18 Tests; Average 37

The reason they broke it down is because Amla starts scoring runs in his 23rd test, and has a slump from his 83rd test. The division is also pretty close to 20 tests each.

Anyways, it proves 2 things
1. Your incorrect statement about Amla having only a poor start for 4 tests
2. Amla being an ATG level cricketer for only 40 tests
 
Sidilicious said:
Thats was a cricinfo article. Cricinfo had divided it into 5 groups of
22 Tests; Average 33
19 Tests; Average 49
18 Tests; Average 62
23 Tests; Average 69
18 Tests; Average 37

The reason they broke it down is because Amla starts scoring runs in his 23rd test, and has a slump from his 83rd test. The division is also pretty close to 20 tests each.

Anyways, it proves 2 things
1. Your incorrect statement about Amla having only a poor start for 4 tests
2. Amla being an ATG level cricketer for only 40 tests
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No, these are some totally random clusters of matches. Amla scored runs on his return to the side after the first three or four matches where he failed against India and England, otherwise he wouldn't have remained in a South African test team. Like I said, you could break them up in any number of ways and the numbers would look more balanced.

So the 19 tests where he averaged 49 at #3 were not what you would expect from an ATG-level cricketer? Do a similar analysis for any cricketer and you'll find the same results.
 
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No, these are some totally random clusters of matches. Amla scored runs on his return to the side after the first three or four matches where he failed against India and England, otherwise he wouldn't have remained in a South African test team. Like I said, you could break them up in any number of ways and the numbers would look more balanced.

So the 19 tests where he averaged 49 at #3 were not what you would expect from an ATG-level cricketer? Do a similar analysis for any cricketer and you'll find the same results.
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You can find the article on cricinfo. He failed in his initial stint in 2004. I've checked this on stats guru and its true.

During the period he averaged 49, he was not even in the top 10 batsmen in the world. In the same period there were others averaging much more than him and scoring much more than him in the top 4. Again, from stats guru.
I will post these stats when I have time.

He was in the top 10 batsmen in the world only during the period of the his 40 tests where he averaged greater than 60. I would expect more from an ATG level player. He would need to perform for another 20 tests at 50+ average to be considered an ATG. If he doesnt and ends up at an average of 48ish after 120 tests, he would not be an ATG in my books.
 
Bilal7 said:
No, these are some totally random clusters of matches. Amla scored runs on his return to the side after the first three or four matches where he failed against India and England, otherwise he wouldn't have remained in a South African test team. Like I said, you could break them up in any number of ways and the numbers would look more balanced.

So the 19 tests where he averaged 49 at #3 were not what you would expect from an ATG-level cricketer? Do a similar analysis for any cricketer and you'll find the same results.
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...emplate=results;type=allround;view=cumulative

There you go. He averaged 33 in his first 22 tests.
 
ICC tourneys aside even in Tests Amla seems to be buckling under expectations for mine now that it’s up to him to hold together the inexperienced top order. The game is much easier when you have guys like Kallis, Smith, AB, Steyn, Philander and co in the side to share the workload. Got real lucky last Test as well have to be said should have been caught on 5. A quality bat no doubt but as far as ATGs go he’s still got a few things left to tick off for mine. Let’s see how he copes with decent opposition going forward. So far it hasn’t been too flash since the big guns retired.
 
Amla is the only batsman after Tendulkar who has scored runs in almost all condition and against all types of bowlers. His average is not that high considering he has played a huge number of games in SA which is one of the most difficult places for batsman but also because he has not done extreme minnow bashing in tests to inflate his average. He is far better than a lot of 50+ averaging batsman.
 
SL_Fan said:
ICC tourneys aside even in Tests Amla seems to be buckling under expectations for mine now that it’s up to him to hold together the inexperienced top order. The game is much easier when you have guys like Kallis, Smith, AB, Steyn, Philander and co in the side to share the workload. Got real lucky last Test as well have to be said should have been caught on 5. A quality bat no doubt but as far as ATGs go he’s still got a few things left to tick off for mine. Let’s see how he copes with decent opposition going forward. So far it hasn’t been too flash since the big guns retired.
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He's been failing due to poor form, not expectations. The team has been winning heavily even while he hasn't been scoring runs.

In that great South Africa team, he was the best batsman and the one who made it easier for Kallis, AB, Duminy, etc. Not the other way around.

The_Odd_One said:
Amla is the only batsman after Tendulkar who has scored runs in almost all condition and against all types of bowlers. His average is not that high considering he has played a huge number of games in SA which is one of the most difficult places for batsman but also because he has not done extreme minnow bashing in tests to inflate his average. He is far better than a lot of 50+ averaging batsman.
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Agreed. Good post.
 
Sidilicious said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...emplate=results;type=allround;view=cumulative

There you go. He averaged 33 in his first 22 tests.
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You still don't get it. There is no reason to show me his average for his first 22 matches. That holds no significance at all.

I'm surprised that all that meddling around with statsguru hasn't told you that he averaged 45 in 2007 and 50+ in 2008 and had established himself as a very good batsman by that point. Good enough to score a superb century against Shane Bond.

His initial run failed, he was brushed off as a quota player but went back home to brush up his technique and scored heavily at the FC level. He made a comeback, scored a big century and then did not look back for eight years.

I don't have a problem with you not rating Amla; I couldn't care less. But at least have some good reasons for the numbers you present and don't blindly quote someone.
 
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