Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[sensible-indian-fan]

Have been repeatedly saying. Hashim's batting against spin in this series has been top class and Rahane should take a leaf out of his book. It is true, he doesnt have the score to back it up, however this is by far the best defensive technique (playing late, playing low, soft hands and getting the pad outside off) i have seen in ages. Add to this, a quality of Gilchrist in Mumbai 2001 or KP in Nagpur 2012, we would have been staring at a different scoreline altogether. The only downside i see is that he goes so much into the defensive mindset, that he fails to put away bad balls or easy scoring opportunities.

On another note, respect for hash for giving such a decent press conference. Highly matured and articulate.

Remember our discussion about Rahane vs spin a year back.

He doesn't have the craftiness. Hope he improves. It would be a tragedy if he turns out to be a pace bully only.

 

[Bilal7]

Have been repeatedly saying. Hashim's batting against spin in this series has been top class and Rahane should take a leaf out of his book. It is true, he doesnt have the score to back it up, however this is by far the best defensive technique (playing late, playing low, soft hands and getting the pad outside off) i have seen in ages. Add to this, a quality of Gilchrist in Mumbai 2001 or KP in Nagpur 2012, we would have been staring at a different scoreline altogether. The only downside i see is that he goes so much into the defensive mindset, that he fails to put away bad balls or easy scoring opportunities.

On another note, respect for hash for giving such a decent press conference. Highly matured and articulate.

He's still terribly out of nick. Cannot expect him to go after the bowlers in such form.

 

[in_cutter]

He's atleast 38-40 years old judging from from his facial symmetry, you can't expect a player to be productive at his age, not everyone can be Misbah/Younis.

If you say so

 

[ChachaCricket]

Have been repeatedly saying. Hashim's batting against spin in this series has been top class and Rahane should take a leaf out of his book. It is true, he doesnt have the score to back it up, however this is by far the best defensive technique (playing late, playing low, soft hands and getting the pad outside off) i have seen in ages. Add to this, a quality of Gilchrist in Mumbai 2001 or KP in Nagpur 2012, we would have been staring at a different scoreline altogether. The only downside i see is that he goes so much into the defensive mindset, that he fails to put away bad balls or easy scoring opportunities.

On another note, respect for hash for giving such a decent press conference. Highly matured and articulate.

That's the only reason he hasn't been able to score big. Gilchrist, KP, AB all have many release shots.

 

[Ab Fan]

Irrespective of runs scored ,it was a good fighting knock from Amla . Obviously, the only way they could have saved the series is by winning but still a gritty knock from him.

 

[Mamoon]

Just two shy of Smith's tally of 27 hundreds now. He will probably not captain for 109 Tests like him, but he will surely score at least 10 more tons than him.

Can he challenge the World Cup winning Kallis in terms of runs and hundreds?

 

[#GreenRoars]

^If i am not wrong, he isn't captain any more

 

[Bilal7]

Missed his innings today but it was great to watch by all accounts. Unless Root plays a similarly brilliant knock in this series, this series, which featured four of the best batsmen in the world, has been won by The Mighty #.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Missed his innings today but it was great to watch by all accounts. Unless Root plays a similarly brilliant knock in this series, this series, which featured four of the best batsmen in the world, has been won by The Mighty #.

Has won the title for accumulating runs when the heat is not on.

 

[Bilal7]

Has won the title for accumulating runs when the heat is not on.

If you think Amla only accumulates runs in tests, when the pressure is not on, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Go do some research before embarrassing yourself, please.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If you think Amla only accumulates runs in tests, when the pressure is not on, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Go do some research before embarrassing yourself, please.

I think it's well established that Amla chokes at the hint of pressure.

And it's not just me who says this.

Plenty of people say it.

So either everyone is embarrassing themselves and you are the most knowledgeable poster when it comes to Amla, or you're just a blind fan.

Pick the one you find suitable.

 

[Mamoon]

^If i am not wrong, he isn't captain any more

I think you are mistaken. He has been a brilliant captain so far and is leading from the front, unlike Alaistair Cook who quite mid series when the going got tough.

Very few captains have the courage to lead the team in crisis. Amla surely has that in abundance.

 

[Bilal7]

I think it's well established that Amla chokes at the hint of pressure.

And it's not just me who says this.

Plenty of people say it.

So either everyone is embarrassing themselves and you are the most knowledgeable poster when it comes to Amla, or you're just a blind fan.

Pick the one you find suitable.

Pretty sure you're one of two people that I've ever heard saying this. The other guy knows that this isn't true, he just loves to troll. So yeah man, you are embarrassing yourself.

Go watch every single ball of his epic 200 in the second match of this series. When the pressure on the Proteas was the highest it has been in months. Then watch his rear-guard against Sri Lanka in 2014, then the 126 against a rampaging Johnson, the year before, etc.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Very good knock by Amla. Haven't seen such fluency from him in a while. But this has come at a time when there s absolutely no pressure on him. However, you can't blame him alone either The entire Saffer batting lineup have been guilty of throwing it away cheaply.

 

[Abdullah719]

I think it's well established that Amla chokes at the hint of pressure.

And it's not just me who says this.

Plenty of people say it.

So either everyone is embarrassing themselves and you are the most knowledgeable poster when it comes to Amla, or you're just a blind fan.

Pick the one you find suitable.

Who are the others who said this?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Who are the others who said this?

I am not going into any argument with anyone.

Amla does choke when the going gets tough.

My opinion I stick with it.

 

[Abdullah719]

I am not going into any argument with anyone.

Amla does choke when the going gets tough.

My opinion I stick with it.

If you insist.

I agree with this POV in ODIs, but not in Tests.

 

[Mamoon]

Amla is a proven bottler in Limited Overs, but in Tests he has played some terrific innings.

It is funny when his defenders bring Tests to the table to justify his choking in ODIs. No is labeling him a choker in Tests, because the sample size is small (of his choking) and quite big when it comes to performing under pressure.

In ODIs, story is different as explained.

 

[Chrish]

I think you are mistaken. He has been a brilliant captain so far and is leading from the front, unlike Alaistair Cook who quite mid series when the going got tough.

Very few captains have the courage to lead the team in crisis. Amla surely has that in abundance.

I think he said the quit decision was made in advanced even before series started.. It was a stupid decision however regardless of who made it

 

[Mamoon]

Not following the scores closely, but looks like he's choking in the IPL as well.

Certainly not making any headlines. After all, IPL is a tournament and we know how he fares under the pressure of tournaments.

Painfully overrated Limited Overs batsman.

 

[Sandeep]

Not following the scores closely, but looks like he's choking in the IPL as well.

Certainly not making any headlines. After all, IPL is a tournament and we know how he fares under the pressure of tournaments.

Painfully overrated Limited Overs batsman.

IPL has shown the sheer difference in class between (Kohli & ABD) and Amla. The former 2 are clearly ahead of the latter. Let this be the end of debate. It is unfair for bhai..

 

[Smbhayi]

Not following the scores closely, but looks like he's choking in the IPL as well.

Certainly not making any headlines. After all, IPL is a tournament and we know how he fares under the pressure of tournaments.

3 failures and a 96 with SR over 160

Painfully overrated Limited Overs batsman.

Yet every team would like to have a player like him. Your bias/hate doesn't mean he's overrated

 

[Ab Fan]

Bhai is better than both in Tests though.

Yup..a notch ahead of ABD and Cook in tests and is superior to Cook in odis too. IMO, he is a very very fine batsmen who is massively overrated in this forum but doesn't gets his due outside the forum.

 

[Hasan123]

Amla is a class test player could go down as an atg in that format. But in LOI his choking is well known and after the pp overs he struggles to accelerate at times don't think he will go down as an atg in LOI but a solid player

 

[street cricketer]

Yup..a notch ahead of ABD and Cook in tests and is superior to Cook in odis too. IMO, he is a very very fine batsmen who is massively overrated in this forum but doesn't gets his due outside the forum.

He is a fine batsman and I Iove watching him bat in the longer formats. He is overrated here in the shorter formats by a few due to certain other non cricketing reasons but I feel that he is being unfairly criticised a lot too for the same reason. I think he is a very very good Test player and a good but limited LOI player.

 

[jusarrived]

3 failures and a 96 with SR over 160


Yet every team would like to have a player like him. Your bias/hate doesn't mean he's overrated

which team ?

 

[Smbhayi]

which team ?

Which team doesn't want a player who averages 40+ and SR around 90? If I'm right there's at least one spot available at opening almost every team!

 

[Smbhayi]

^Talking about international

 

[jusarrived]

Which team doesn't want a player who averages 40+ and SR around 90? If I'm right there's at least one spot available at opening almost every team!

Take Dhawan/Rohit over Amla anyday , infact I dont rate both these batsmen but they do play an occasional match winning innings . There is no place for one dimensional batsmen like Amla in LOIs these days .

 

[Mamoon]

Guptill
Rohit
de Kock
Warner
Roy
Hales

All are better Limited Overs openers than Amla.

 

[Smbhayi]

Guptill
Rohit
de Kock
Warner
Roy
Hales

All are better Limited Overs openers than Amla.

even if I agree with you still you can see there's one spot available apart from England.

 

[Smbhayi]

Take Dhawan/Rohit over Amla anyday , infact I dont rate both these batsmen but they do play an occasional match winning innings . There is no place for one dimensional batsmen like Amla in LOIs these days .

Here's the list of MoM & MoS award of Amla, Rohit and Dhawan

Amla:
MoS: 7 (vs BD, vs WI, vs Pak, vs ENG, vs SL, vs WI, vs NZ)
MoM: 16 + 1 (T20I vs AUS)
BD - 1
AUS - 1
WI - 3
PAK - 3
IND - 1
ENG - 2
SL - 1
ZIM - 1
NZ - 2
Ireland - 1

Rohit:
MoS: 4 (vs WI, vs WI, vs AUS, vs AUS)
MoM: 8 + 4 (T20I vs SA -2, vs BD, vs UAE)
SL - 2
WI - 2
AUS - 3
BD - 1

Dhawan:
MoS: 1 (CT13)
MoM: 5 + 2 (T20I vs SL, vs BD)
SA - 2
ZIM - 1
WI - 1
Ireland - 1
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So it shows Amla has more match winning innings than both Rohit and Dhawan but more consistent too as far ODI concerned. (Though he bottled in WCs)

 

[Hasan123]

Everyone read the 1st 5 comments on this thread on page 1

 

[Ab Fan]

Guptill, Rohit and Warner, to be honest, aren't clutch either. Doubt if they can score big in WC games against quality opposition for you. They are better than Amla in this aspect though but still not clutch enough.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jos Butler, too, is in same league as those three. Played a gem of knock vs Bangladesh in a virtual knockout but choked before taking his team to victory.

 

[Mamoon]

Undone by Narine today.

 

[Haroon786]

Don't think he's rated highly in ODIs, some fanatics on here seem to think he's great in ODIs but they are fortunately in the extreme minority and hence there isn't a need to go over the top in convincing people that he isn't special in this particular format.

 

[Suleiman]

Jos Butler, too, is in same league as those three. Played a gem of knock vs Bangladesh in a virtual knockout but choked before taking his team to victory.

Jos Butler is just starting with his career, regular guys like ABD and Amla who've been around for a while shouldn't be choking this much at this level after 5+ years of experience.

 

[Mamoon]

Still in tournament mode I guess. Someone needs to remind him that it is just a random tri-series with little context, will start scoring for fun.

 

[rhony]

Still in tournament mode I guess. Someone needs to remind him that it is just a random tri-series with little context, will start scoring for fun.

LOL!! He is probably in the holiday mode in Caribbean.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Failed in the biggest game of the most important tournament of his career vs mighty WI. Kohli is better.

 

[Hasan123]

Poor dismissal today

 

[Buffet]

Amla failed in some bilateral, let's talk about it.

Amla scored in bilateral, meh it was just a bilateral.

 

[Bilal7]

Some people have no self-respect. Had Amla scored a match-winning century, it wouldn't have mattered because it is only the West Indies. Lol.

 

[Anfield]

One of the most idiotic bumps ever..

 

[Mobashir]

Mamoon is more obsessed with Amla and ABDV than Sachin fans with Sachin.
Completely lost it.

 

[Mamoon]

The wickets are slow, but hopefully he will dig in and score at least a couple of centuries.

 

[Mamoon]

After a tournament is over, it normally takes a game or two to get into the Useless Matches with No Context mode.

 

[SL_Fan]

What's with all the hate. I don't get it. Yes the guy has flopped in ICC tourneys but he has delivered under pressure many a time in Tests.

 

[bill_123]

I understand if people criticize him for his WC performances but crossing the line and hating him for everything he does seems a bit silly, The internet warriors should atleast pick relevant reasons to criticize him. I feel he has a few more years left in him so he may get another CT,WT20 and a WC before he retires and who knows he may end up correcting his overall stats in ICC tourneys by then.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Stats speak for themselves. Amla is a very good ODI batsman.

v Australia 33.12
v Bangladesh 43.14
v England 54.06
v India 43.7
v New Zealand 45.3
v Pakistan 47.94
v Sri Lanka 59.77
v West Indies 85.18
v Zimbabwe 69

in Australia 47.46
in Bangladesh 22.33
in England 60.55
in India 38.16
in New Zealand 41.6
in South Africa 57.77
in Sri Lanka 70.6
in U.A.E. 50
in West Indies 70.33
in Zimbabwe 51.5

 

[Adil_94]

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[Smbhayi]

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Whom against Gayle score double century?

 

[Adil_94]

Whom against Gayle score double century?

Zimbabwe

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[Abdullah719]

Whom against Gayle score double century?

Zimbabwe, WC 2015.

 

[Hasan123]

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Both amla and ab should be able surpass Pontings centuries.

 

[Suleiman]

Both amla and ab should be able surpass Pontings centuries.

Holds little weight when he'll still have the bigger stature as an ODI player than them, unless they do something in WC knockouts.

But yeah Amla, AB, Kohli all have a shot at going past Ponting. Not sure about AB though, he comes way too late in the game these days and only does cameos instead of a long hand. Kohli and Amla are top order bats so it will happen, Insh Allah

 

[Hasan123]

Holds little weight when he'll still have the bigger stature as an ODI player than them, unless they do something in WC knockouts.

But yeah Amla, AB, Kohli all have a shot at going past Ponting. Not sure about AB though, he comes way too late in the game these days and only does cameos instead of a long hand. Kohli and Amla are top order bats so it will happen, Insh Allah

If amla surpass punter I wouldn't rate him higher than Ricky of course but is nice for his fans. If amla could peform at next 2 icc tournaments than its debate to be had but he's a proven choker.

Yes he bats low but he can bat a good strike rate. I'm sure south Africa are playing Sri Lanka later in the year so expect him to get a century or 2. And also they are playing New zeeland in a couple of months will back him to get some big scores against them. Ab will be close to punter on this list in terms of centuries.

 

[sivaji]

Who said Amla wasnt a good opener. Lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Terribly overrated ODI batsman. Will surely overtake Ponting's century tally, but he is nowhere near him as a batsman.

There are many ODI batsmen and openers ahead of him, including those with less hundreds and inferior overall stats.

 

[Smbhayi]

Terribly overrated ODI batsman. Will surely overtake Ponting's century tally, but he is nowhere near him as a batsman.

There are many ODI batsmen and openers ahead of him, including those with less hundreds and inferior overall stats.

Yeah opposing just giving him some free runs!don't think there's lot of ahead of him as an opener, may be only Warner. tbh Amla can easily found a place in top 7 odi bat atm.
Btw isn't you the one who bump this thread after his failure in first match? So what's says now?

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah opposing just giving him some free runs!don't think there's lot of ahead of him as an opener, may be only Warner. tbh Amla can easily found a place in top 7 odi bat atm.
Btw isn't you the one who bump this thread after his failure in first match? So what's says now?

I mean all ODI batsmen and openers, not just contemporary openers.

I bump only when he fails, which is mostly during ICC tournaments.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I mean all ODI batsmen and openers, not just contemporary openers.

I bump only when he fails, which is mostly during ICC tournaments.

I thought you had gotten over Amla and AB and this thread would die but here we go again.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Unfortunately, only seems to score in these meaningless matches against the West Indies. However, as limited overs cricket doesn't mean a jot in the grand scheme of things, he'll be remembered as one of the great South African batsmen unquestionably.

 

[TestMatch]

Notice that the "most odi tons" list is comprised mostly of openers. Unsurprisingly; it's easier for an ODI opener to make a ton.

But that just makes Virat and ABDV's conversion rate more spectacular.

Amla's conversion rate is very good for an opener, but 10 of those tons came vs China-level ultra minnows.

 

[dauntless]

His record against windies is excellent he is best opener in the world along with warner

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Hasn't started the series strongly, any predictions for the rest of the matches ?? I predict a classy comeback

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I think he has lost it. Getting old I guess

 

[Rayyman]

I think he has lost it. Getting old I guess

Don't think so. Got a beauty from Hazlewood in 1st innings and inside edge in the 2nd innings. Only one match and he is still 33. He could play for another 3-4 years.

 

[Hasan123]

Hazelwood has got him with an inswinger and outswinger. Lets see if he can bounce back. He's the key wicket in this series for Australia as well as De kock

 

[Bilal7]

Past his prime for sure. Not as fit as Younis Khan so he's unlikely to maintain his high standards from now on. I hope he can still average 50+ in this series but it's unlikely.

Can see him retiring from tests in 2018 and maybe continuing in ODIs until the 2019 WC but again, quite unlikely.

ATG batsman though. The best in the world from 2010-2014 across formats.

 

[Suleiman]

Good test bat, better options in other formats for sure. Should quit t20s and focus on tests, despite his failure at the WACA think he still has enough in the tank.

 

[Itachi]

He doesn't have the MOJO anymore. Too old to get it back.

 

[FreePalestine]

Good test bat, better options in other formats for sure. Should quit t20s and focus on tests, despite his failure at the WACA think he still has enough in the tank.

His ODI stats are pretty amazing as well. Lots of hundreds. Phenomenal ODI player.

 

[Suleiman]

His ODI stats are pretty amazing as well. Lots of hundreds. Phenomenal ODI player.

I don't think so. Think his ODI stats are extra generous to him. There's players out there right now and before who are superior ODI batsmen.

A weak tournament record really hurts his case. This past 2015 WC he only came good vs minnows esp considering that leading up to the tournament he was in the form of his life.

 

[Rayyman]

He doesn't have the MOJO anymore. Too old to get it back.

Only 33.

 

[Chrish]

I like to wait for seies to end before evaluating a player

 

[soso_killer]

He doesn't have the MOJO anymore. Too old to get it back.

he should retire then

 

[Itachi]

Only 33.

Only Pakistani players are good in 33-34. Players from other countries decline so much that a retirement isn't a strange option.

 

[Bilal7]

Retiring after the home series against Lanka won't be a bad move. The rest of the golden generation is gone and he doesn't have anything else left to prove in test cricket.

He'll probably want to try and help South Africa win one ODI tournament before leaving so the CT is the obvious retirement party in that format.