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BlackThunder said:
I am genuinely happy to see Bhai association back in full force after some rough times. Their participation makes pp that much more interesting. Happy times guys :)
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whats the ITCH here?

i can comfortably say be it bilal7 or ikram or me or strike rate or any other amla fan we all agree this is just another good to very good knock for amla against a pretty average side

WHO IS CLAIMING HE IS THE GREATEST or anything here?

but to bash him for no reason like certain bcci fans do all the time makes no sense as well

i saw a few bcci fans bashing him when he was batting 80 ish off 80 for no reason whatsoever and EVEN AT THAT TIME NO AMLA fan was going crazy or anything over this knock

its a good knock and he batted beautifully and thats about it

i hope he does well in knock outs thats all
 
ikram17 said:
Careful bill_123, he seems sensitive. The bullies made the mods delete his lovely analysis about a certain batsman's technique against pace and bounce :(
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iam waiting for mamoon to log into pp today...wait iam sorry...dont think he logs out anyway...i meant iam waiting for mamoon to launch the pp forum:P

average knock against a bad side....amla the choker etc etc

he actually bashes amla more when he feels amla has not done anything special anyway(like a 100 against an avg side)....think even amla's runs against minnows hurt him
 
IndianWillow said:
When bhai plays half as good against one of the top teams in a must win match, he will silence his critics. Sorry, this match does not cut it, he did not even walk into a half pressure situation like 2/20. :)
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lol maybe bcz of he's an opener and rarely failed to give good start..?
 
was a really good knock....hope he continues to do well and makes a good contribution come the big knock outs
 
bill_123 said:
this guy used to be a decent poster...then turned into a blind amla hating troll....and he aint an entertaining troll as well....a pretty boring one
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"Blind Amla Hating Troll" ..wow, another one.

Throughout this forum, I have always maintained that he is one of the top-4 ODI bats. Ask your Bilal bhai..he has been an active participant in all those threads.

As for why I celebrate his dismissal in match threads, [MENTION=3026]Strike[/MENTION]-Rate bhai knows the reason.

I should b quite a kind "Blind Hater troll" to rate him top-4 ..isn't it? You Amla fans are a sensitive and disrespectful bunch.

People here don't hate Amla, no one does. But what they do enjoy is messing with over-sensitive Amla fanboys...who wouldn't?
 
Smbhayi said:
lol maybe bcz of he's an opener and rarely failed to give good start..?
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Well, if India had batted first against UAE and Kohli had played a similar knock, what would be the reaction? Can't foresee Bhai association giving much credit to Kohli for such a knock in a league match. :)

Amla has many more chances in this WC to bat like this - let us see what he does against the big boys and in the KOs.
 
Electron said:
"Blind Amla Hating Troll" ..wow, another one.

Throughout this forum, I have always maintained that he is one of the top-4 ODI bats. Ask your Bilal bhai..he has been an active participant in all those threads.

As for why I celebrate his dismissal in match threads, [MENTION=3026]Strike[/MENTION]-Rate bhai knows the reason.

I should b quite a kind "Blind Hater troll" to rate him top-4 ..isn't it? You Amla fans are a sensitive and disrespectful bunch.

People here don't hate Amla, no one does. But what they do enjoy is messing with over-sensitive Amla fanboys...who wouldn't?
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lol fanboys?

i aint one of them so i dont care....never rated any average knock by amla greatly but have seen some of you trolls under rate his great knocks....look mate have read enough of your posts recently....you come across as a bitter person so told it...and you should stop calling amla fans over sensitive as you and mamoon are big cry babies anyway...you are the ones over sensitive about amla's success(even when it is against minnows)
 
ikram17 said:
Bro, are you crying. From the way you're typing Im 90% sure you're crying in real life.

Mods please bring whatever wonderful thread back in which this poster wrote amazing analysis.
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It was not a great analysis though.
Amla averaged 37 against (Eng, NZ, Pak and Aus) in SA and he called it a struggle which is not smart especially it theory.
He compared guys with 3-4 innings with someone who played 17 innings against those attacks.

I did my own analysis and looked at players with at least 10 innings all to find out they average in the low 40. Which is hardly any better the more you bat in SA your average catches up with you.

I called him out on Graeme Smith who played about 40 innings against those attacks and averaged 39 and ask if he struggled against pace? Mind you Smith chased 400 despite a modest average. He ran away.

Basically an average of 35+ for an opening batsmen in SA is very decent. You can't tell me someone who played 6 innings is better than a guy who played twice the amount of those matches in those conditions.
 
bill_123 said:
lol fanboys?

i aint one of them so i dont care....never rated any average knock by amla greatly but have seen some of you trolls under rate his great knocks....look mate have read enough of your posts recently....you come across as a bitter person so told it...and you should stop calling amla fans over sensitive as you and mamoon are big cry babies anyway...you are the ones over sensitive about amla's success(even when it is against minnows)
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Amla for me is just another player I rate highly.

I started a thread on what I assume to be his weakness, and Bhai Association went crazy on me calling me a sad troll and what not. Do Kohli or Dhoni fans resort to this while defending their player? No.

Now I take pleasure in Bhai brigade's over-sensitive reaction. Heck I dont even call him bad, and yet people get angry. :))
 
There is no doubt at all -- whatsoever -- that Amla is one of the top 3 ODI batsmen in the world, right behind ABD and Kohli. I'm not sure if any team in the recent past has had 2 of the 3 best batsmen in the world
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Of course Amla is a good player.

Not sure where the beard comes into the picture?

I have already banned the word "beard" from commentary threads.

I think I should ban it from discussions in random threads too..

As far as match winning ability is concerned, it's all good, but you can see why some people hold World Cup performances as a benchmark because it's batting under more pressure.

India were crap in the tri series against Australia and England but seem to be playing well in actual tournament.

If India do get to semfinal final, who will care about a random Kitply triseries? No one...

Amla just needs to up his game in major World Tournesy and he will be a legend. Bilateral tournaments are not the best benchmark for judging his greatness because the pressure is much less.
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I see this quite often... why is performing in world cup group stages a measure of how well a player handles pressure? This is not the soccer world cup where one game might knock you out, or even the 2007 format which saw pak/ind go out because of a few bad games.

The way the cricket world cup is structured, it is actually not more pressure to perform in a group game than it is in a random bilateral series. Yes, its a bigger stage and more people are watching, but nothing is at stake the way the cricket world cup is structured. Come knockouts and its a COMPLETELY different story. QF/SF/Finals , and even the final group games in the scenarios where you might get knocked out are all clutch games, but how many of the teams barring minnows face knockout situations before the group stages are over? Only 1 or 2 per World Cup.

Point is, I've seen recently where a lot of people point to players' averages in World Cups. What does it matter if you beat up on Ireland , UAE, or really, even bigger teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies, when even losing would not have knocked you out?
 
If people point to world cup averages, they should select only games where a loss would have knocked them out, or the penultimate game even (the game before the game that would knock them out). You'll find though that there are almost never such games played besides the QF/SF/Finals.
 
zulfiqar said:
If people point to world cup averages, they should select only games where a loss would have knocked them out, or the penultimate game even (the game before the game that would knock them out). You'll find though that there are almost never such games played besides the QF/SF/Finals.
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And you would find that Amla fails in all of those games.

But today's knock was awesome though.

If we can appreciate Umar Akmal's 100 against Afghanistan with raptures of delight, surely it must be mortal ecstasy at seeing Amla score 159 against Ireland which is much better than Afghanistan.
 
No I absolutely agree that Amla hasn't done well in knockout games. And even though I quoted you, I just wanted to say that comment in general in response to quite a few other posters who share the point of view that world cup runs are somehow better, even though the majority of world cup runs will be scored in the group stages, where results against the better teams hardly ever matters, and the same teams qualify each time. 2007 was the exception, and that was a tournament, where even your performance against minnows should be counted very highly if it was played before the pseudo-round-robin stage, because a bad result would mean you are one step away from elimination. I'd take a good performance against a minnow under those conditions OVER a random non-significant group stage performance against a #1 team like South AFrica anyday. The context of the game matters!

But yes, on topic again for the thread, Amla needs to prove himself in knockouts!
 
Bilal7 said:
Should have seen the match-threads. The jokers were pouncing on every dot that Amla played and suddenly vanished when he started hitting out towards the end.
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Tbh, there are just too many trolls around here nowadays. Our Parosis are world class trolls.
 
World Cup is always about pressure more than bilaterals.

That's a fact.

Bigger stage,more pressure.

Just like a random ATP tour match win against Federer means nothing if he keeps beating you in Grand Slams when it matters most.

I don't get the ultra-defensiveness people have over Amla's lack of match-winning knockout performances.

He's not retiring anytime soon.

He will probably have his moment and will finish off as an ATG.

But why keep on insisting that he doesn't need to prove himself in knockouts , he is still an ATG? That sounds like people have made up their mind, that they believe he will probably never do it, and want him to be acknowledged regardless or they don't simply care and love him regardless.

That's my issue.

Amla haters go overboard with their hate, but Amla lovers, try to defend him, as if he doesn't need to do anything and he's already proved he can do everything but honestly he hasn't. He needs to be better under pressure.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
World Cup is always about pressure more than bilaterals.

That's a fact.

Bigger stage,more pressure.

Just like a random ATP tour match win against Federer means nothing if he keeps beating you in Grand Slams when it matters most.

I don't get the ultra-defensiveness people have over Amla's lack of match-winning knockout performances.

He's not retiring anytime soon.

He will probably have his moment and will finish off as an ATG.

But why keep on insisting that he doesn't need to prove himself in knockouts , he is still an ATG? That sounds like people have made up their mind, that they believe he will probably never do it, and want him to be acknowledged regardless or they don't simply care and love him regardless.

That's my issue.

Amla haters go overboard with their hate, but Amla lovers, try to defend him, as if he doesn't need to do anything and he's already proved he can do everything but honestly he hasn't. He needs to be better under pressure.
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Good post.
 
time for us pakistanis to stop criticizing amla and eat some humble pie giving us phainty of a life time someone please get him out it's painful to watch
 
Amla is a choker.

Unable to take any single hence only hacking boundaries.....or maybe he's trying to copy Misbah.
 
- Almost 70% of his WC runs came against Ireland's 120 kph attack.
- Bashed 130 kph stuff today before falling victim to Wahab.
- Fails in all pressure situations.

Good player but very overrated.
 
It is really baffling. SA may as well go with some rookie opener in KOs. He can't do any worse than this.
 
Bilal7 said:
I'd be happy if Amla averages in the low forties against us, his career average won't suffer but our bowling won't either! Provided every other South African batsmen averages in the low thirties.

After that he can fulfill his hunger for runs against the ever-generous Indian trundlers.
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[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION]

:amla
 
jalebi-lover said:
i think that resolve the problem for fans like me who are supporters of team pakistan but are at the same time fan of amla.
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Bilal7 said:
Me too. :amla
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:amla

KB-24 said:
Silly thread this. I'd take brother Amla in our team in a heart beat !!!
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:amla

LethalSami said:
OP is a known troll/attention seeker judging by his previous posts/threads :ajmal

move on, nothing to see here

there is a reason AMLA is ranked so highly....and no lowlifers can challenger those stats..
those cover-drives
that Majestic Beard
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:amla
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I actually did :))) :))

Where is KB-24 btw? Honestly wouldnt be surprised if he ended up in ISIS
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[MENTION=133441]KB-24[/MENTION] is one of my favourite poster ever.

The way he riles up [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] in religious threads is a sight to behold.

He never trolls. Always serious.

:)))
 
I picked up 'bhai' from KB and some other guy, forgot his name. To his credit, Bilal7 has called bhai only once or twice only.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
[MENTION=133441]KB-24[/MENTION] is one of my favourite poster ever.

The way he riles up [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] in religious threads is a sight to behold.

He never trolls. Always serious.

:)))
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Just reading some old threads, damn I'd forgotten the stuff he'd come out with.


Bloody funny though :))

Dont ever recall him and Mamoon arguing though
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Just reading some old threads, damn I'd forgotten the stuff he'd come out with.


Bloody funny though :))

Dont ever recall him and Mamoon arguing though
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You have no idea.

Mamoon would be respectful as always but you could see him getting mad at him for what all he used to say.

Its easy for Non Muslims (and even Muslims) to get offended by what he says (extreme extreme radicalism) but if you move out that zone, he can be pretty hilarious.

There are 2 guys who single handedly take a failing thread thread and make it hot.

One is Mamoon.

And other is KB-24.

And the latter is outrageously good in Time Pass section threads.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You have no idea.

Mamoon would be respectful as always but you could see him getting mad at him for what all he used to say.

Its easy for Non Muslims (and even Muslims) to get offended by what he says (extreme extreme radicalism) but if you move out that zone, he can be pretty hilarious.

There are 2 guys who single handedly take a failing thread thread and make it hot.

One is Mamoon.

And other is KB-24.

And the latter is outrageously good in Time Pass section threads.
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We're on about someone who believed you went to hell for participating in the democratic process :))

Ah man, I need to go through his profil and find his exchanges with Mamoon, would've been spic :amla
 
Bhai will be back to make mamoon cry some more , The legend of Hashim Mahomed Amla will never die!!!!!!
 
:amla is done and dusted.

The ship has sailed for him, unless he can bring his A game to the table in England in 4 years time.
 
Mamoon said:
:amla is done and dusted.

The ship has sailed for him, unless he can bring his A game to the table in England in 4 years time.
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Prepare to get bumped when Amla Bhai scores the first ODI Triple ton in a WC ............................. vs Namibia
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You have no idea.

Mamoon would be respectful as always but you could see him getting mad at him for what all he used to say.

Its easy for Non Muslims (and even Muslims) to get offended by what he says (extreme extreme radicalism) but if you move out that zone, he can be pretty hilarious.

There are 2 guys who single handedly take a failing thread thread and make it hot.

One is Mamoon.

And other is KB-24.

And the latter is outrageously good in Time Pass section threads.
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He doesn't post anymore, does he?
 
Bhai will break Brian Laras record of 400 in Tests while fasting on a hot day in India. As Junaid Jamshed Bhai said.
 
Adil_94 said:
Bhai will destroy New Zealand next time they play in a bilateral. He will have the last laugh
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The same yorker will be caressed through the covers for a four with those silky wrists of his, moving from 38* to 42* of 36 balls with 6 crisp boundaries and Trent Boult will have figures of 6 - 0 - 46 - 0.

Meanwhile, bhai will move to fastest X thousand runs along with fastest to X hundreds, and a dozen threads on PakPassion would be created so that we can all bask in his glory.

:amla
 
Mamoon said:
and Cricket South Africa will lie once again, that he wasn't fasting.
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Cricket South Africa were told by their masters BCCI to lie so that Jamshed Bhai would be embarrassed. Its a saazish against Islam
 
Mamoon said:
The same yorker will be caressed through the covers for a four with those silky wrists of his, moving from 38* to 42* of 36 balls with 6 crisp boundaries and Trent Boult will have figures of 6 - 0 - 46 - 0.

Meanwhile, bhai will move to fastest X thousand runs along with fastest to X hundreds, and a dozen threads on PakPassion would be created so that we can all bask in his glory.

:amla
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Amla will prove himself the undisputed GOAT...... of Bilaterals. Never seen anyone as dominant as him when there's no pressure on
 
Adil_94 said:
I missed most of Haydens career. I thought he was a great player
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Hayden and Watson come to mind as utterly dominating players except when the pressure was on.

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair on Hayden but he seemed to cash in against teams in home conditions. No idea about his stats in world cups however. Was just throwing names out there.
 
It was fitting that Bhai's team was taken down by a player who can be considered a Faux-Bhai, Elliott.

Sadly the real faux-bhai (Devcich) wasn't in the squad else Bhai Association would have had a severe conflict in supporting the teams.
 
And once again Amla fails in a crucial encounter! For all the runs he scores, and for all the centuries he's gathering, wouldn't he trade all of it for a chance to score big in the Finals and win his team the game? I'm sure he would.

As an individual, if he cannot change this problem he will have to wait till the day comes when their team pick up better individuals who can mask this weakness. Players who can handle pressure better and win SA the game. His problem also is that his team can't even make the Finals to begin with! Don't wanna kick Saffers when they're down though.. as a team they tried as best as the could given the rain, etc.
 
Saqs said:
Hayden and Watson come to mind as utterly dominating players except when the pressure was on.

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair on Hayden but he seemed to cash in against teams in home conditions. No idea about his stats in world cups however. Was just throwing names out there.
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If I'm not wrong, he was the top scorer in both the 2007 World Cup and the 2007 World T20.
 
///Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
I'd be happy if Amla averages in the low forties against us, his career average won't suffer but our bowling won't either! Provided every other South African batsmen averages in the low thirties.

After that he can fulfill his hunger for runs against the ever-generous Indian trundlers.///


LOLLLLLL
 
Bhai's record in World Cups against non-minnows:

Code: 
Mat 	Inns 	NO 	Runs 	HS 	Ave 	BF 	SR 	100 	50 	0 	4s 	6s 	
9 	9 	0 	275 	65 	30.55 	323 	85.13 	0 	2 	0 	25 	1

I have maintained that Bhai is a bottler and I would be happy to be proven wrong. But apparently even bottlers perform well in some games. Bhai has been shockingly abysmal in World tournaments. It's notable that no expert talks about him in terms of impact players. AB, Kohli, even Dilshan gets way more mention than Amla bhai.

Bhai's record when you add Champions Trophy to the mix:

Code: 
Mat 	Inns 	NO 	Runs 	HS 	Ave 	BF 	SR 	100 	50 	0 	4s 	6s 	
15 	15 	0 	442 	81 	29.46 	540 	81.85 	0 	3 	0 	43 	1

Thankfully, Bhai association must be counting it's lucky stars that the World tournaments come once in 4 years. So Bhai can average in the 70s and 80s in bilaterals and they can chest thump till their lungs explode.

Mind you Bhai's averages while chasing take a rather nasty hit as well.

Bhai in World Cups while chasing:

Code: 
Mat 	Inns 	NO 	Runs 	HS 	Ave 	BF 	SR 	100 	50 	0 	4s 	6s 	
7 	7 	0 	200 	61 	28.57 	221 	90.49 	0 	1 	0 	22 	0

If you add champions trophy to the mix:

Code: 
Mat 	Inns 	NO 	Runs 	HS 	Ave 	BF 	SR 	100 	50 	0 	4s 	6s
10 	10 	0 	262 	61 	26.20 	311 	84.24 	0 	1 	0 	29 	0

He can have all the fastest to N*1000 runs records that he can think of but would never want this guy anywhere near my team when it comes to batting in tough situations.
 
Massively in ODIs, but no doubt he's a supreme Test batsman. Perhaps even ATG material. No weakness in that format.

Not to mention a terrific human being.
 
Quality player. Great batsman. Just not a clutch match winner or a tournaments player, thats about it. It would have remained the same even if he had smashed 3 hundreds in these 3 matches. Nothing has changed really.
 
It's ironic to see Mamoon bashing Amla and supporting.......... you all got it. :P
 
He's in a poor patch. It happens. I was still very impressed with his batting today, however. Tried his level best to grit it out and stay out there in difficult conditions.
 
OS_89 said:
He's in a poor patch. It happens. I was still very impressed with his batting today, however. Tried his level best to grit it out and stay out there in difficult conditions.
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Hope so bro..hope its just a poor patch and passing phase. He also scored only 1 run in the warm up game :(

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Don't mind his Test average, but the ODI performance has been real poor, specially when Ashwin and Jadeja were not even a part of our attack.
 
Today's Amla batting was as good as it gets.

Amazing stuff. Amla bhai in poor form but he still fought well and literally showed everyone how to bat in these conditions. Could have scored a bit faster but was a supreme exhibition of top notch batting.

I am not using this words in a light way. I mean it.

Amla the test batsman is awesome.

He is class for a reason. That class came out today.
 
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Have been repeatedly saying. Hashim's batting against spin in this series has been top class and Rahane should take a leaf out of his book. It is true, he doesnt have the score to back it up, however this is by far the best defensive technique (playing late, playing low, soft hands and getting the pad outside off) i have seen in ages. Add to this, a quality of Gilchrist in Mumbai 2001 or KP in Nagpur 2012, we would have been staring at a different scoreline altogether. The only downside i see is that he goes so much into the defensive mindset, that he fails to put away bad balls or easy scoring opportunities.

On another note, respect for hash for giving such a decent press conference. Highly matured and articulate.
 
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