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The big man wasn't playing and South Africa lost badly.

South Africa's biggest problem is they have been over reliant on Amla and Smith and then Amla-de Kock combo to not loose early wickets. But once they loose early wickets, they don't have a good number 3. Maybe Roossow can be one, du Plesis surely isn't.
 
hahaha Amla would have chased this target down now ? Thanks for the laugh.
Continue hiding behind South African payers
 
jusarrived said:
hahaha Amla would have chased this target down now ? Thanks for the laugh.
Continue hiding behind South African payers
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Amla wouldn't have given his wickets early, and other batsmen could have chased it.
But as opening can be hard some time, they all lost their wicket against the newish ball.

Hard to understand?
 
Mobashir said:
The big man wasn't playing and South Africa lost badly.

South Africa's biggest problem is they have been over reliant on Amla and Smith and then Amla-de Kock combo to not loose early wickets. But once they loose early wickets, they don't have a good number 3. Maybe Roossow can be one, du Plesis surely isn't.
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Who is he?? ESPN Cricinfo's new analyst?
 
Mobashir said:
The big man wasn't playing and South Africa lost badly.

South Africa's biggest problem is they have been over reliant on Amla and Smith and then Amla-de Kock combo to not loose early wickets. But once they loose early wickets, they don't have a good number 3. Maybe Roossow can be one, du Plesis surely isn't.
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Chickened out. They should have rested him, after the toss.
 
ihsri aha said:
Chickened out. They should have rested him, after the toss.
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ABD rested for previous match Amla captain. ABD back in team as captain and Amla rested is it really that hard to understand lol

btw the only match SA lost against WI in recent series was the one where Amla was rested
 
Is anybody seriously taking these warm ups seriously? He'll Philander scored a 50 and Zimbabwe best Sri Lanka.
 
Just found one. SA's batting is a concern to brush it off a just a "warm up" is foolish.
Sure Amla did not play, but it would have been nice to see some of the lesser players score runs under pressure namely Miller, Faf, Rossouw. JP is not a match winner either.
Amla, AB and QDK can win the world cup alone.

Our bowling is shocking too.
I expected Steyn and Tahir to be at least economical (when not taking wickets), instead they've been clobbered living our lesser bowlers exposed.

We have too many passengers, guys who want to be spoon fed to perform. That's not good enough at international level.

SA should make the semis though should they avoid good bowling units in the quarters namely England, NZ, and Australia.
 
This is the second game in the last few weeks that South Africa have lost with Amla not batting at the top. Just confirms my theory that even though ABD is a better batsman, Amla is their most important one because when he fires, everyone else can just feed off him and play without pressure.
 
Mobashir said:
Amla wouldn't have given his wickets early, and other batsmen could have chased it.
But as opening can be hard some time, they all lost their wicket against the newish ball.

Hard to understand?
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Thats only in theory , never happens . Either he gets out early under score boead pressure or puts pressure on other batsmen not able to keep up with required rr .
Chasing 300+ totals needs a lot more skills than blunting the new ball for few overs .
 
Welcome to Australia Amla bhai. :amla

One of the worst innings of recent time, 11 runs, 26 balls, left his team 21/2 in 8 overs. :amla
 
Pathetic knock by Amla. Made Zimbos look like McGrath and Wasim. He was batting like Sachin and Viv combined against Windies but today he was playing like a tailender
 
Buffet said:
One Match, Let the WC finish.
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Its not about the WC .

Has struggled against Likes of MJ and Irfan who get lot of bounce & doesnt have to play against Steyn and Morkel . Who has he done well againt if he cant handle even Panyangara on this pitch ?
 
It was a bad knock but he is in good form. If he doesn't do well in WC then there is some issue for sure but hang in for matches to be finished.
 
Electron said:
I have seen Amla bhai score heavily against visiting Lankan/Indian/WI/Zimbabwe attacks, but below is a stat that caught my eye. Inspired by another thread, I decided to take a look at what Amla bhai has done against the best attack he can face in ODI Cricket (in conditions favoring pace and bounce).

The results were shocking! Amla bhai's stats take a nosedive.

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Let us forget pace and bounce for a second. I asked myself another question. "How good is he against half-decent bowling attacks irrespective of conditions?" I looked that up, and unsurprisingly, Amla bhai proved to be a mediocre batsman even in this batting friendly era.

Career record in South Africa against top-4 bowling attacks he can face ( Australia, NZ, England, Pakistan) :

Avg : 37
SR : 78

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To conclude, I just want to say that I was shocked at how mediocre Amla has been against half-decent attacks( not just in testing conditions, but overall too).

There was a reason people refused to count him among the best ODI batsmen, and looking at the numbers above, I can see why. He is lucky not to face the best attack in South Africa, or the legend of Amla would probably not even exist today.

PS- Sorry about the heartaches caused. :)
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Hahahahahahaha! This is the funny!
 
Bump.

Same West Indies attack conceded 300 to Ireland inside 45 overs.

:amla
 
And the red hot form has deserted him again in ICC events. I rest my case.

:amla
 
And it happens again !

Looked uncomfortable against Umesh's bounce, rode his luck to an atrocious 22, got out to a bouncer. :amla
 
He is too much of a nice guy to succeed in ICC tournaments. He's a softy and likes to operate in his comfort zone.

The intensity and aggression of ICC tournaments is too much for him, where everyone is fired up.

He doesn't have the fire in his belly to compete with all of that.

:amla
 
Hasn't started the WC well but The tournament is still alive

SA are getting atleast a QF so wait till the tournament is over
 
Where is Strike Rate? Not looking to make 100 threads to glorify him today?
 
Probably best that he got out anyway, he's hardly the kind who will scale 310.
 
Mamoon said:
Where is Strike Rate? Not looking to make 100 threads to glorify him today?
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Why don't you stick to bashing amla and his supporters in this manner

Just a suggestion because i see you cross the line and bash a muslim community because of amla's failure and stuff...iam a muslim and i agree i do not like that but i do not have an issue with you bashing amla the cricketer...just saying so because i note people of other religions also taking advantage of it and bashing the bearded muslim community which is wrong but then again you wont stop i guess
 
Mamoon said:
Should not be selected for anything other than bilaterals. :amla
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Averaged 68 over the last 10 ODIs before WC 2011, with two hundreds and four fifties.
Averaged 65 for the last 10 ODIs before WC 2015, with three hundreds and two fifties.
He is always a beast just before the WCs. Not too late this time yet, let us see what happens next.
 
IndianWillow said:
Averaged 68 over the last 10 ODIs before WC 2011, with two hundreds and four fifties.
Averaged 65 for the last 10 ODIs before WC 2015, with three hundreds and two fifties.
He is always a beast just before the WCs. Not too late this time yet, let us see what happens next.
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Went missing the Champions Trophy 2013 as well.
 
I just called him bhai, which is not offensive.

If you take it in an offensive manner than that is your insecurity. :amla
 
Mamoon said:
I just called him bhai, which is not offensive.

If you take it in an offensive manner than that is your insecurity. :amla
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na not that

that is fine

i meant all the other statements you type across the threads on his failures

but then again carry on mate...no point
 
The way Amla reacted to Umesh's first short ball, I knew his stay was going to be short lived. :amla

Umesh and Mohit could have got him a lot earlier too, but luck didn't go their way.
 
Everyone gets criticized for his failures here, but people have problem with the criticism of Amla bhai only.

Absurd.
 
Mamoon said:
Everyone gets criticized for his failures here, but people have problem with the criticism of Amla bhai only.

Absurd.
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you dont get it do you

continue to bash amla is what i said initially itself

go ahead waste your energy on your keyboards all you want if it makes your life better but what is the point bashing religious views and communities...are you not mature enough to understand this small point?

you are a waste of time man

go on blast your keyboard all day all night...approaching a 50 k already go on the next target should be a 100 k posts
 
The problem is that I don't get offended nor do I lose my cool, given how frequently I'm insulted here and accused of being an undercover Indian. I take it, swallow it and don't respond in an aggressive fashion.

Don't worry, I'm not going to report this post. I never do.

Now vent your frustrations out on some Anderson thread. :amla
 
[MENTION=129996]bill_123[/MENTION]

I think I have to right to be critical of people supporting him because of religious views.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=129996]bill_123[/MENTION]

I think I have to right to be critical of people supporting him because of religious views.
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arguable

but for argument sake even if i agree with you what right does it give you to bash an entire muslim community or certain religious leaders and figures...iam not talking about whether they are right or wrong here...on a cricket forum how is this logical?...a lot of what you bash is not even related to cricket or amla or his supporters...maybe related to their personal lives in a certain way but who are you to judge that or mock that?

give a straight answer
 
Who cares about these meaningless world cup games. Amla bhai will still go onto become the fastest to 6000 ODI runs. 7 match ODI series is coming up vs India later this year.
 
bill_123 said:
arguable

but for argument sake even if i agree with you what right does it give you to bash an entire muslim community or certain religious leaders and figures...iam not talking about whether they are right or wrong here...on a cricket forum how is this logical?...a lot of what you bash is not even related to cricket or amla or his supporters...maybe related to their personal lives in a certain way but who are you to judge that or mock that?

give a straight answer
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I don't intend to mock Muslim community, I was just explaining why I don't like beards.

Ask me a question and I will answer. Now if someone asks me why I don't like beards, shouldn't I explain?

However if it offends you or anyone else, I'd refrain from responding to such questions.
 
Itachi said:
strike rate, you and mamoon are both good poster. emotions may be high but tht doesn't mean we will bring family in here? will we?

calm dude.... :)
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Itachi bro i just dont like having an argument with him no matter how good bad stupid fair on unfair it is i have told him 100s of time i will have argument with everyone here except him so dont quote me or target me directly or indirectly but he keep on doing it in every other thread to release his real life frustration on me last time i have told him don't do it again or dont complain if you find my reply offensive in future i am just fed up of him targeting me on every available opportunity.
 
:amla

When you used to target me, I didn't mind. When you had that signature for a year to mock me (funnily enough, proved to be true in the end) it was okay.

Now when the shoe is on the other foot, you are getting agitated.

Nice logic. :srini
 
I stopped debating with you long time ago just go and check history of my posts it was far before this WC when i told you i just dont want to have anything with you and removed that signature before this wc campaign started because i just dont wanted to have anything related with you. Please stay away from me i will be thankful
 
No targets at family or personal attacks.

Keep it cricket related.

Thanks :)
 
[MENTION=135445]Strike Rate[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - Still a better love story than Twilight.
 
Party time for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and the anti-Amla brigade (mostly Indians).

They've been waiting for a long long time for one Amla failure, so they could have a good day for once :P

When you're so successful as an opener, you're bound to have a few who don't like you. :srt
 
Mamoon's anti-Amla stance is mostly because of his beard which clouds his judgment and ability to rate him.

Currently, not many in the world are better than him at opening. And no one who averages 50+ at 90+ strike rate.

Pretty sure if he didn't have a beard and association with religion, Mamoon would have rated him.
 
I prefer to say that I'm not a fan of Amla bhai because of his habitual choking in ICC tourneys, and the fact that people have the audacity to deny that he's not a pressure player in ODIs. Can't handle high intensity matches.


No doubt he's the best opener in the world, but only when he's in his comfort zone. When the going gets tough, I'd others over him even though they have far inferior statistics.
 
Indians are another story though.

Most are jealous and like to throw around the term "match-winner", "choker" when many of them avoid these terms whenever Tendulkar is being discussed. :-)
 
Mamoon said:
I prefer to say that I'm not a fan of Amla bhai because of his habitual choking in ICC tourneys, and the fact that people have the audacity to deny that he's not a pressure player in ODIs. Can't handle high intensity matches.


No doubt he's the best opener in the world, but only when he's in his comfort zone. When the going gets tough, I'd others over him even though they have far inferior statistics.
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How about wait for other matches first? De Kock has been failing as well. Rohit failing. Dhoni too.

But yes you can enjoy today as it's your day :P
 
Hawkeye said:
Indians are another story though.

Most are jealous and like to throw around the term "match-winner", "choker" when many of them avoid these terms whenever Tendulkar is being discussed. :-)
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What an ignorant statement.

You do know Tendulkar's average in matches won for India right?

And the percentage when Tendulkar performs and India wins right?
 
Hawkeye said:
Indians are another story though.

Most are jealous and like to throw around the term "match-winner", "choker" when many of them avoid these terms whenever Tendulkar is being discussed. :-)
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SRT has his flaws but he is a match winner bro.

He still averages 56 in tournament finals. Still has some memorable performances in finals.

Averages 56 in WCs with 88 SR across 6 WCs and being highest run scorer in 2 of them and second highest in one of them (the next best of his era is Ponting who averages 45 in WCs with 79 SR).

Averages 71 with 90 SR in the 90s (as opener) during our wins and averages 29 during our losses.

If he isn't a match winner who is?

Amla on the other hand, is a brilliant bat but I haven't seen him rise up to the occasion even once in ODIs. He is the 2nd best ODI opener ever but when you are compared with the best of the best, you will be held to higher standards and Amla falters in all major tourneys.
 
Amla bhai can't play a knock like Sachin's 98 at Centurion in his dreams.
 
Hawkeye said:
How about wait for other matches first? De Kock has been failing as well. Rohit failing. Dhoni too.

But yes you can enjoy today as it's your day :P
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He has bottled every single ICC tourney in his career.

It has always been my time.

:amla
 
Hawkeye said:
Mamoon's anti-Amla stance is mostly because of his beard which clouds his judgment and ability to rate him.

Currently, not many in the world are better than him at opening. And no one who averages 50+ at 90+ strike rate.

Pretty sure if he didn't have a beard and association with religion, Mamoon would have rated him.
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Nobody is better than him at opening currently.
 
Can't trust bhai to chase 12 in 12 when the bowler has his tail up. :ajmal2
 
Dr_Bassim said:
What an ignorant statement.

You do know Tendulkar's average in matches won for India right?

And the percentage when Tendulkar performs and India wins right?
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Dr saab, that's why one should do research before making such emotional posts.

I know his average.

But do you know Amla's? You too are in the anti brigade but that too is mostly because of Amla's religious association.

Amla averages 71 at 91 SR
Tendulkar averages 56 at 90 SR

Both are great players for their teams. But still some hate them because of one bias or the other.

Pakistanis don't like tendulkar because he's an Indian.

Amla haters from Pak on this forum don't like him because he has a beard.

Now, these same people use the term match winner when dissing Amla without knowing what a big match winner he has been.
 
I think Amla and most of the saffer team study the team which they play against in bilaterals in detail. Work on the opponents weakness, their in form batsmen and bowlers weakness and stick to strategies the whole series.
In ICC tournaments, you don't get this much time for a single opponent.
 
Hawkeye said:
Dr saab, that's why one should do research before making such emotional posts.

I know his average.

But do you know Amla's? You too are in the anti brigade but that too is mostly because of Amla's religious association.

Amla averages 71 at 91 SR
Tendulkar averages 56 at 90 SR

Both are great players for their teams. But still some hate them because of one bias or the other.

Pakistanis don't like tendulkar because he's an Indian.

Amla haters from Pak on this forum don't like him because he has a beard.

Now, these same people use the term match winner when dissing Amla without knowing what a big match winner he has been.
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Of course Amla is a good player.

Not sure where the beard comes into the picture?

I have already banned the word "beard" from commentary threads.

I think I should ban it from discussions in random threads too..

As far as match winning ability is concerned, it's all good, but you can see why some people hold World Cup performances as a benchmark because it's batting under more pressure.

India were crap in the tri series against Australia and England but seem to be playing well in actual tournament.

If India do get to semfinal final, who will care about a random Kitply triseries? No one...

Amla just needs to up his game in major World Tournesy and he will be a legend. Bilateral tournaments are not the best benchmark for judging his greatness because the pressure is much less.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
SRT has his flaws but he is a match winner bro.

He still averages 56 in tournament finals. Still has some memorable performances in finals.

Averages 56 in WCs with 88 SR across 6 WCs and being highest run scorer in 2 of them and second highest in one of them (the next best of his era is Ponting who averages 45 in WCs with 79 SR).

Averages 71 with 90 SR in the 90s (as opener) during our wins and averages 29 during our losses.

If he isn't a match winner who is?

Amla on the other hand, is a brilliant bat but I haven't seen him rise up to the occasion even once in ODIs. He is the 2nd best ODI opener ever but when you are compared with the best of the best, you will be held to higher standards and Amla falters in all major tourneys.
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I know SRT has been great specially against PAK.

But people specially from across the border ignore such stats when it comes to brilliance of Amla and blindly term him as a match loser etc.

This WC has just started and who knows he'll give a great performance. He's great as a player and is bound to deliver
.

It's just that when people say cricket is a team game and one can't be a match winner alone when defending srt from choker tags, they should use the same logic for amla.
 
I'd wait for SA's part of the tournament to be over before making any statements on him. And it's not exactly fair either. Even Inzamam was **** poor in World Cups (except for that solitary knock in the 92' WC), yet he was a very good servant for his team. Give Amla his time to prove himself.
 
Hawkeye said:
I know SRT has been great specially against PAK.

But people specially from across the border ignore such stats when it comes to brilliance of Amla and blindly term him as a match loser etc.

This WC has just started and who knows he'll give a great performance. He's great as a player and is bound to deliver
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It's just that when people say cricket is a team game and one can't be a match winner alone when defending srt from choker tags, they should use the same logic for amla.
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As far as what I have seen from Indian forums, Amla is held in high regards.

Yes, his performance drop in high pressure games is discussed but he is indeed held in high regard.

If you see even Indians here, you won't see anyone call Amla useless or not a great bat.

They won't rate him on the league of guys like SRT, Ponting, Viv.

Why?

Cos you know the reason.

When the stakes are high, Amla falters.

All ODI greats have had high impact innings in extreme pressure like SRT, Lara, Ponting, Viv, etc.

If Amla wants to be held in the same regard, he has to perform in games where the stakes are high. Games where there is pressure and stuff.

What is Amla's equivalent of following:

1. Viv's final 130
2. Viv's 189
3. SRTs Sharjah 2 centuries in 2 innings where only his wicket determined the end result
4. SRT's 98 in Centurion
5. Ponting's 140 in 2003 finals
6. Gibbs' 190 chasing 434
7. Kohli's Hobart innings
8. SRT's 175 chasing 350 (if he falters there cos NO ONE supported him, people would have a different view)
9. Steve Waugh's 1999 SF inings
10. lance Klusener's innings in the same match
11. Inzi's 1992 SF knock

I can go on and on.

I am not talking about just WC but even high pressure games where he is ABSOLUTELY required to deliver.

What is his equivalent of such innings?

I can't remember any.

So can't majority of posters.

Even Aus, Eng, Wi, SL don't call rate him in the league of SRT, Viv, ponting (yet) and there's a reason for that.

See today's game.

He is in the form of his life and batted so horribly.

I am not hating Amla. But what I am saying has been a trend.

And posters from many countries can attest to that bro.

When Amla scores those innings, he will be rightfully rated.
 
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