Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[Mobashir]

Edit:

We will bring this up then, because its a moot exercise now. No matter what you throw at me or what I throw at you, we are not gonna budge,

but this World Cup will make everything clear:

a) If he delivers in knockouts and produces a masterclass with the bat against quality teams like he always does, it will end the discussion of him being a bottler.

Its okay if he does it on 'flat' pitches, because its 'flat' when Indian batsmen score only, but lets not go there, I'll let that one go

b) If he fails, no excuse will be good enough. He's on the top of his game and in devastating form. Most teams have weak bowling attacks and he also has the luxury of playing for arguably the strongest one

Its okay, he has the luxury of never having to has to face South African attack against whom others are judged, Kohli/Dhoni never get to face Indian 'trundlers', but against the same 'trundlers' when Amla bhai does well, its becomes a masterclass

Lets wait and watch, time will tell.

I'm putting money on another unconvincing outing for Amla bhai on the global stage.

Can we make thing a little more clear.
Does only the knockouts matter or even the group stage will matter?

Does games in the first phase of the world cup matter more than the current tri series where we can see competitive cricket, or the really deal is going to be the matches against UAE, Zim etc?

 

[IndianWillow]

Every batsman has trouble handling pace and bounce on lively wickets - some more so than others. But the number of bowling teams with really good bowlers is pretty low nowadays (perhaps due to the new ODI rules/ flatter pitches). The advantage SA batsmen have over other batsmen is that they have to face one lesser quality bowling side.

 

[Mobashir]

Moral of the story is:

- No big deal he scored in the World Cup final, pitch was easy, ball wasn't doing much, bowlers were mediocre, Gambhir did the hard work etc etc.

Did i said no big deal?
Very good innings is what I said! But 100's of better innings in ODI cricket. Surely not the best of the match itself.

- Scores 113 against Pakistan and rescues then from 29-5, but ball 'wasn't doing anything' when he came. LOL, No one was able to put bat on ball but as soon as he came, it stopped swinging and seaming.. Must say he has some special powers to make the ball stop talking at will.

Yes this kinds of things happen, the ball stops swinging after a little period. Still swong against the win dies for some overs tough.

Just like that innings didn't made Bresnan the best batsman in the world :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/415285.html
Played in an away CT semi Final against Lee, Sidle and Jhonson.

- Afridi has played better rescue innings than Dhoni, his two 75s are better than Dhoni's 91* in the World Cup Final and 113* vs. Pakistan.

Afridi's rescue innings were better than Dhoni's rescue innings. Yes this I said it.
Dhoni's world cup final 91 is better than Afridi's rescue innings : this you made it up.


Moral of the story is: You are champ for making things up.

 

[Mamoon]

Can we make thing a little more clear.
Does only the knockouts matter or even the group stage will matter?

Does games in the first phase of the world cup matter more than the current tri series where we can see competitive cricket, or the really deal is going to be the matches against UAE, Zim etc?

Games against minnows depends on context,

Let's say SA are 100/5 against UAE and Amla bhai rescues them with a match winning hundred, it'll be a great knock NOT minnow bashing.

But what he did in the last World Cup vs. Netherlands was minnow bashing.

I have a problem with people calling Afridi vs. Canada minnow bashing, or Younis 200* vs Zimbabwe for that matter.

This current tri-series and other bilaterals are giving a good insight about the form of the players, but things can change because the World Cup is a long tournament.

But am I being unfair in asking Amla bhai to help win South Africa even a single knockout match?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yes, and these three are followed by Rahane, Dhoni and Root.

Then we have Raina, Samuels and Murli Vijay (indian batting so strong that ha can't make the eleven).

Obviously, Kohli and Williamson are better than Sanga :face palm

Really hurt aren't you...

And for your kind information, Afridi is not fit to wipe the boots of Dhoni.

That's how bad Afridi is, even though you brought him up.

Afridi has non-minnow bowling performance of 40 (which is his major skill) and the most number of ducks in the history of the game (another skill) and you bring Afridi's performances to downplay Dhoni.

Lmao.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Unnecessary stats.

See the performance of players in Aus/SA facing Aus/SA in ODIs post 2000.



Then this makes SRT, Dhoni, Lara and Jayasuriya mediocre ODI batsmen.

See...at the end of the day, in ODI (UNLIKE TESTS) ALL THESE STATS ARE NOT WHAT MATTERS.

1. What matters is how you perform in WCs.
2. What matters is how you perform in knockout games
3. What matters is how you perform in pressure situations
4. What matters is how you perform when setting target/chasing them (chasing is greater than setting but latter is imp too)

Doesn't Anwar avg 20s outside Asia in ODI?

It doesn't matter.

He was a brilliant ODI player.

 

[Mobashir]

You are really talking about a very hurt man.

Lets hope India win the match for you to calm down and then talk.

Talk about a pressure ODI game against the lankan and Dhoni.
Here you have one :

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/247476.html

Or it wasn't important because it was played on a 23rd march? Or Because bla bla bla...

Mamoon still waiting for an explanation here.

 

[Mamoon]

Afridi has never played any innings in his ODI career that has been anywhere near as good as Dhoni's 113* vs Pakistan.

No, the ball was still doing quite a bit and he had to fight it out, once things got easier he smashed the bowlers. It was a very well planned innings and he showed good mental strength.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Afridi has never played any innings in his ODI career that has been anywhere near as good as Dhoni's 113* vs Pakistan.

No, the ball was still doing quite a bit and he had to fight it out, once things got easier he smashed the bowlers. It was a very well planned innings and he showed good mental strength.

And actually we were lucky that Jamshed was playing well in those matches.

Had it been the usual Pakistani opening of Hafeez and Shehzad, I would have predicted a wipeout for Pakistan.

That was the only time Jamshed looked world class.

All south from there....

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon still waiting for an explanation here.

World Cup Final > World Cup Group game.

He redeemed himself.

Amla bhai will redeem himself too for all his choking, if wins a knockout for SA.

But even you are not confident that he can, which is the real tragedy.

You are coming up with excuses after excuses to suggest that its not important for him to win a knockout for South Africa.

Why such lack of confidence in a legend like him?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Amla is a brilliant ODI bat but will never be rated amongst the greatest unless he performs in knockout games and pressure situations.

He has time to prove himself in that regard though.

 

[Mamoon]

And actually we were lucky that Jamshed was playing well in those matches.

Had it been the usual Pakistani opening of Hafeez and Shehzad, I would have predicted a wipeout for Pakistan.

That was the only time Jamshed looked world class.

All south from there....

Hafeez lost his off-stump to the first delivery he faced of BK.

Agreed, terrific knock by Jamshed and Younis played his finest ODI knock of the last 6 years as well.

In such conditions and match situation, Pakistan will bottle such a chase 9/10 times.

 

[Mobashir]

Games against minnows depends on context,

Let's say SA are 100/5 against UAE and Amla bhai rescues them with a match winning hundred, it'll be a great knock NOT minnow bashing.

But what he did in the last World Cup vs. Netherlands was minnow bashing.

I have a problem with people calling Afridi vs. Canada minnow bashing,

I completely agree with this.
Kohli also bashed minnows like Bangladesh, and that's all he did in the whole world cup.

This current tri-series and other bilaterals are giving a good insight about the form of the players, but things can change because the World Cup is a long tournament.

But am I being unfair in asking Amla bhai to help win South Africa even a single knockout match?

Well my point of view on it, Not only for Amla but every batsman is: If he plays Quarter Final, Semi Final and Final and fails in all three, then you can surely say not a pressure player etc... But if a guy only plays the Quarter and his team goes on to lose the match and he fails, then it is going against him for sure, but I am not going to say he is a complete failure.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=135445]Strike Rate[/MENTION] and [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] are nowhere to be found.

But lets divert the attention back to Kohli, Dhoni and . . . . . Ashwin's chucking.

 

[Mobashir]

World Cup Final > World Cup Group game.

He redeemed himself.

Amla bhai will redeem himself too for all his choking, if wins a knockout for SA.

But even you are not confident that he can, which is the real tragedy.

You are coming up with excuses after excuses to suggest that its not important for him to win a knockout for South Africa.

Why such lack of confidence in a legend like him?

Hahaha, It was a knock out game, and a very important one. It meant a lot humiliation for India for going out in the first round of the world cup.

Now, you shown you have no logic.

Just like performances like the minnows depends on match situation, you can't threat that another group match.

 

[Mamoon]

If he plays well and SA still lose due to other players, he will not be blamed. Ultimately its a team game, you always need some support.

But so far, he himself has been a culprit and has initiated a collapse in knockouts.

Kohli has come a long way since 2011, but yes he needs to perform as well.

 

[Mobashir]

Afridi has never played any innings in his ODI career that has been anywhere near as good as Dhoni's 113* vs Pakistan.

No, the ball was still doing quite a bit and he had to fight it out, once things got easier he smashed the bowlers. It was a very well planned innings and he showed good mental strength.

Afridi has played a lot of innings much better than that.

It wasn't the debate, but Dhoni has never played half the innings Afridi played in the Asia cup against Lankans.

 

[Electron]

Unnecessary stats.

See the performance of players in Aus/SA facing Aus/SA in ODIs post 2000.

I am only presenting stats that reveal a struggle against pace and bounce. Also, I am not sticking to home team, but I have relaxed it to teams that don't bowl filth. NZ, England, Pakistan and Australia is a good variety of attack.

Average drops by 18, Strike Rate drops by 12. Its a huge drop.

 

[Mobashir]

Really hurt aren't you...

And for your kind information, Afridi is not fit to wipe the boots of Dhoni.

That's how bad Afridi is, even though you brought him up.

Afridi has non-minnow bowling performance of 40 (which is his major skill) and the most number of ducks in the history of the game (another skill) and you bring Afridi's performances to downplay Dhoni.

Lmao.

Hurt?
India failing again and again. I am hurt? huuh!

 

[Indiafan]

Unnecessary stats.

See the performance of players in Aus/SA facing Aus/SA in ODIs post 2000.

View attachment 53656

Then this makes SRT, Dhoni, Lara and Jayasuriya mediocre ODI batsmen.

See...at the end of the day, in ODI (UNLIKE TESTS) ALL THESE STATS ARE NOT WHAT MATTERS.

1. What matters is how you perform in WCs.
2. What matters is how you perform in knockout games
3. What matters is how you perform in pressure situations
4. What matters is how you perform when setting target/chasing them (chasing is greater than setting but latter is imp too)

Doesn't Anwar avg 20s outside Asia in ODI?

It doesn't matter.

He was a brilliant ODI player.

But SA is his home pitch. He has grown up learning to bat on those pitches unlike sub-continet batsmen

 

[Jo_Don]

Haters gon' hate

 

[Mamoon]

Hahaha, It was a knock out game, and a very important one. It meant a lot humiliation for India for going out in the first round of the world cup.

Now, you shown you have no logic.

Just like performances like the minnows depends on match situation, you can't threat that another group match.

A must win group game is not the same as a QF/SF/Final

Its the same logic people used to defend Amla bhai's choking, when he scored a 60 in a crucial World T20 game vs England in the last edition.

Are you saying that the World Cup final was not a bigger and more pressure game than the one in 2007?

Yes Dhoni failed, but did he redeem himself in 2011 Final, yes or no?

Will Amla bhai redeem himself in this World Cup?

I think no.

 

[Mamoon]

Afridi has played a lot of innings much better than that.

It wasn't the debate, but Dhoni has never played half the innings Afridi played in the Asia cup against Lankans.

Yes, that was a better innings than Dhoni's World Cup final.

 

[Mobashir]

Yes, that was a better innings than Dhoni's World Cup final.

It was, obviously. At least 10 times harder to bat conditions.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am only presenting stats that reveal a struggle against pace and bounce. Also, I am not sticking to home team, but I have relaxed it to teams that don't bowl filth. NZ, England, Pakistan and Australia is a good variety of attack.

Average drops by 18, Strike Rate drops by 12. Its a huge drop.

Agreed. People who are presenting Amla as a perfect guy who can play in any condition are way off.

Yeah when compare batsmen against the 4 best bowling teams in Aus/SA, other batsmen have better stats (avg, SR combo) than Amla. And Amla doesn't have to face SA attack in those countries.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Hurt?
India failing again and again. I am hurt? huuh!

Naming 10 Indian players means as good players means either you are trolling, or don't know what you are talking about.. or being hurt...

Afridi still is boot level compared to Dhoni.

If that helps...

 

[Mobashir]

A must win group game is not the same as a QF/SF/Final

Its the same logic people used to defend Amla bhai's choking, when he scored a 60 in a crucial World T20 game vs England in the last edition.

Are you saying that the World Cup final was not a bigger and more pressure game than the one in 2007?

Yes Dhoni failed, but did he redeem himself in 2011 Final, yes or no?

Will Amla bhai redeem himself in this World Cup?

I think no.

The world cup final was a more important game thant the 2007 game but It was easier to score runs in the world cup final 2011 than the 2007 game.

 

[Mobashir]

Naming 10 Indian players means as good players means either you are trolling, or don't know what you are talking about.. or being hurt...

Afridi still is boot level compared to Dhoni.

If that helps...

I was awnsering to someone who had completely lost it by putting Kohli and Williamson in front of Sanga and Amla.

 

[Mamoon]

It is NEVER easy to score runs in a World Cup final.

 

[Electron]

But SA is his home pitch. He has grown up learning to bat on those pitches unlike sub-continet batsmen

And secondly, I have used stats where he faces a whole range of attacks. Not just the Aussie one. Not saying he is poor, but comes out quite mediocre (Shehzad like).

 

[Mobashir]

The world cup final was a more important game thant the 2007 game but It was easier to score runs in the world cup final 2011 than the 2007 game.

It is NEVER easy to score runs in a World Cup final.

Again making things up?
I said it was easier, not easy.

 

[Mamoon]

Again making things up?
I said it was easier, not easy.

Its easier only if you have the game in your back 90%..

Yes India were in a strong position, but the game was still open + he was in really poor form.

No way was it easier to score.

 

[Tec15]

Amla has already won an ODI series against Australia in Australia, so I don't see what the fuss is about. The desperate stats picking does tell it's own story, though.

 

[JaDed]

The world cup final was a more important game thant the 2007 game but It was easier to score runs in the world cup final 2011 than the 2007 game.

Nope on the final if you remember after SL score the runs they were all celebrating as if they won because they knew its not easy to chase in the final.If it was easy chasing in knockouts Pak in 1996 would had done against India or WI against Aus for that matter.But only Lanka did it first time in the final against Aus in 1996 credit to them.
Having said that i do agree Amla is a very good player and better than all Indian batsmen on consistent basis but i feel he has the same issue as Sachin doesn't step up in big games its not like Indian batsmen do it either except Yuvi.
Gilly is the only player that comes to my mind when it comes to stepping up in big games on consistent basis.

 

[IndianWillow]

It is NEVER easy to score runs in a World Cup final.

Especially while chasing. India could once defend 183 in a WC final against the WI, they would have never done that against a side like WI in a bilateral.

 

[Mobashir]

That almost knocked the beard off his face.

Amla and Kohli are extremely lucky to be feasting in an era of mediocre bowling, you simply cannot deny this. You would struggle to name ONE ATG ODI bowler in the world today, whereas just 15-20 years back you could name ten.

ABDV is on a different level to them and is the Viv Richards of this generation. The best batsman in the world.

I will add flat tracks.

And I 100% agree with you.

But I never saw on this forum someone say that Amla is the best ODI batsman ever, or even current best ODI batsman in the world etc... Only Kohli fans make such statements, that why Amla fans show them that he is struggling to be the best FTB currently let alone the Ponting, Sachin's and company...

 

[Tec15]

But SA is his home pitch. He has grown up learning to bat on those pitches unlike sub-continet batsmen

By that logic he should fail in the subcontinent. Does he?

 

[Mamoon]

Imagine if Amla bhai scores 91* chasing 278 in a World Cup final, this forum would crash.

All these justifications of why it was easy to bat would be irrelevant then.

 

[Mamoon]

By that logic he should fail in the subcontinent. Does he?

He did in the 2011 World Cup final when the pressure was on.

Can't score anywhere in the world in high pressure matches, even at home.

Arrange a World Cup in South Africa and he'll turn into a kitten again.

 

[Mobashir]

Nope on the final if you remember after SL score the runs they were all celebrating as if they won because they knew its not easy to chase in the final.If it was easy chasing in knockouts Pak in 1996 would had done against India or WI against Aus for that matter.But only Lanka did it first time in the final against Aus in 1996 credit to them.
Having said that i do agree Amla is a very good player and better than all Indian batsmen on consistent basis but i feel he has the same issue as Sachin doesn't step up in big games its not like Indian batsmen do it either except Yuvi.
Gilly is the only player that comes to my mind when it comes to stepping up in big games on consistent basis.

Yes, Sri Lankan prime minister made a TV intervention to congratulate Sri Lankan team, and people in Australia stopped watching the game and went to sleep as the result was already obvious.
And then suddenly, a man come, named Dhoni and..... blablabla.

 

[aukhan]

Yes, and these three are followed by Rahane, Dhoni and Root.

Then we have Raina, Samuels and Murli Vijay (indian batting so strong that ha can't make the eleven).

Obviously, Kohli and Williamson are better than Sanga :face palm

My opinion based on what i see. Why are you so hurt man?

I don't rate any of the player you mentioned.

 

[Mobashir]

Imagine if Amla bhai scores 91* chasing 278 in a World Cup final, this forum would crash.

All these justifications of why it was easy to bat would be irrelevant then.

That's just not possible. That would be a hell of a poor innings, an opener scoring 91 out of 278.

 

[IndianWillow]

By that logic he should fail in the subcontinent. Does he?

Well, the issue is like this. Teams like India when they go to SA face not only difficult pitches but also world class bowlers. While guys like Amla come to India, they face relatively easier pitches and additionally, India no longer has great spin bowlers. It would have been more difficult for batsmen like Amla to tackle bowlers like Kumble and Bhajji (before 2009) compared to bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja. Even the second line of Indian spinners of the 80s and 90s were better spinners compared to the present crop of Indian spinners.

 

[Electron]

Amla has already won an ODI series against Australia in Australia, so I don't see what the fuss is about. The desperate stats picking does tell it's own story, though.

Just discussing what seems like a big weakness in Amla's game. With World Cup to be played in Australia, he might struggle I believe.

 

[Mamoon]

That's just not possible. That would be a hell of a poor innings, an opener scoring 91 out of 278.

I was making an analogy. If he does something equivalent to what Dhoni did, the same excuses won't be used.

 

[Mobashir]

I was making an analogy. If he does something equivalent to what Dhoni did, the same excuses won't be used.

I don't know about others, but I don't make excuses for anyone.

Just as I rate Afridi's T20 world cup final innings but don't say it's the best innings ever or things like that. And in contrary to Dhoni's knock, he was not at home, pitch was quite tricky and he had to won it on himself.

 

[manick badsha]

Usual suspects hiding from this thread

 

[Mobashir]

I was making an analogy. If he does something equivalent to what Dhoni did, the same excuses won't be used.

I am not rating most of Amla's innings very highly for that matter. What he has done well is consistently scored a lot of runs at a good pace.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with that Afridi T20 Final knock, special innings.

But the pitch wasn't tricky. SL played some poor cricket and we bowled superbly. It was a 150-160 wicket, and that's what we we'd have scored had we batted first.

 

[DrSchultz]

Don't understand the Indian fascination with undermining Amla.

 

[Strike Rate]

[MENTION=135445]Strike Rate[/MENTION] and [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] are nowhere to be found.

But lets divert the attention back to Kohli, Dhoni and . . . . . Ashwin's chucking.

Don't worry i am not the one to run away there are more important things in life to do too i hope you know the timing of zoher/juma prayer in Pakistan.

Now coming to the topic there is a simple question asked about Amla ability to handle pace and bounce so what is the best way to judge it? ask yourself? Test cricket is where your ability is judged against pace/bounce/swing/spin and i have seen enough of Amla innings against many attacks in various conditions that i dont even need to check the stats to get the answer but if you need to confirm you can check it against Australia or the other top teams in home and away and i am sure you will not be disappointed.

 

[Swanny]

He's part indian so cant handle the bounce & pace.

Also explains his minnow bashing, FTBness.

His SA upbringing explains his tendency to choke.

That's amla 101 in a nutshell

 

[ihsri aha]

Don't understand the PPers fascination with undermining Kohli.

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[Dr_Bassim]

Don't worry i am not the one to run away there are more important things in life to do too i hope you know the timing of zoher/juma prayer in Pakistan.

Now coming to the topic there is a simple question asked about Amla ability to handle pace and bounce so what is the best way to judge it? ask yourself? Test cricket is where your ability is judged against pace/bounce/swing/spin and i have seen enough of Amla innings against many attacks in various conditions that i dont even need to check the stats to get the answer but if you need to confirm you can check it against Australia or the other top teams in home and away and i am sure you will not be disappointed.

Then why does his average sheerly drop to 18 places just against good bowling attacks.

It's an interesting question the OP asks.

Just like we asked for Kohli why he fails in 1st innings...

 

[Strike Rate]

Then why does his average sheerly drop to 18 places just against good bowling attacks.

It's an interesting question the OP asks.

Just like we asked for Kohli why he fails in 1st innings...

OP asked question about pace and bounce so you are telling me players face more of it in LO matches than in Tests right?

 

[Electron]

Now coming to the topic there is a simple question asked about Amla ability to handle pace and bounce so what is the best way to judge it? ask yourself? Test cricket is where your ability is judged against pace/bounce/swing/spin.

Agreed, but ODIs are a totally different format having different kind of pressure. Kohli's Test record in South Africa,NZ and Australia is outstanding, yet he has struggled in ODIs.

Same goes with Rahane.

 

[Tec15]

He did in the 2011 World Cup final when the pressure was on.

Can't score anywhere in the world in high pressure matches, even at home.

Arrange a World Cup in South Africa and he'll turn into a kitten again.

I see. So Amla "failed" while scoring over 300 runs @ 43 while Kohli "succeeded" in scoring less than 300 in his home conditions (In more matches as well) at an average of 35. Not to mention that Kohli failed in all the knockout matches as well. Throwing his wicket away to David Hussey in the quarters being a particular classic.

Anyway, sure, whatever you say.

 

[soso_killer]

This thread has turned into a hilarious circus, on one hand you have a criteria for one batsmen and a completely different set of parameters for the next.
Kohli, Dhoni and Amla haven't the best of records in WC, definitely nothing eye catching.
Dhoni is playing his 3rd and has sucked in all including losing to Bangladesh, Amla and Kohli their 2nd but my goodness you would not tell they've been average and one player of the 3 gets picked on lol poor guy.
One innings in international cricket can make you an atg.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

can't control my laughter reading some blunders regarding Dhoni bhai in this Amla thread

 

[Tec15]

While guys like Amla come to India, they face relatively easier pitches and additionally, India no longer has great spin bowlers. It would have been more difficult for batsmen like Amla to tackle bowlers like Kumble and Bhajji (before 2009) compared to bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja.

Against who do you think Amla scored all his runs in 2008 and 2010 anyway?

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Average of 33,37 with SR of 77,78,. Thats Truly Shocking Indeed !! Terrifying!!! Amla Bhai shouldn't Play cricket. He should retire and make way for Talented Youngsters like WanWyk,Behardien,IPL Miller, etc..etc..!!!

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Against who do you think Amla scored all his runs in 2008 and 2010 anyway?

Those won't count, cos those pitches didn't support the spinners

 

[Electron]

Average of 33,37 with SR of 77,78,. Thats Truly Shocking Indeed !! Terrifying!!! Amla Bhai shouldn't Play cricket. He should retire and make way for Talented Youngsters like WanWyk,Behardien,IPL Miller, etc..etc..!!!

No one is calling him poor. Just bringing forward a weakness that not many thought existed. Don't tell me you are not surprised.

 

[Indiafan]

By that logic he should fail in the subcontinent. Does he?

No. How is that logical?

 

[soso_killer]

He can handle it better than most that is for sure.
Who has done better than him?

Its nonsense if anyone thinks he can't play decent attacks, he has done well everywhere except in his last tour of Australia. Played well in NZ (who people are raving about, took England to the cleaners in both test and ODI's, has played well against Ajmal and co etc.
I've seen him treat Johnson like a trundler more than once in tests as well.

 

[Mamoon]

I see. So Amla "failed" while scoring over 300 runs @ 43 while Kohli "succeeded" in scoring less than 300 in his home conditions (In more matches as well) at an average of 35. Not to mention that Kohli failed in all the knockout matches as well. Throwing his wicket away to David Hussey in the quarters being a particular classic.

Anyway, sure, whatever you say.

Amla bhai boosted his average by scoring a hundred against Netherlands and half century against Bangladesh.

Kohli also didn't do well, and boosted his average by a 100 against Bangladesh.

Kohli was half the player back then, and has come a long way since. Since then, he has done very well in ICC events.

Amla bhai was world class back then and still is world class, but he has been failing in every ICC event since.

Spot the difference? If no, reread.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I've seen him treat Johnson like a trundler more than once in tests as well.

I have yet to see this..

 

[Mamoon]

Don't worry i am not the one to run away there are more important things in life to do too i hope you know the timing of zoher/juma prayer in Pakistan.

Now coming to the topic there is a simple question asked about Amla ability to handle pace and bounce so what is the best way to judge it? ask yourself? Test cricket is where your ability is judged against pace/bounce/swing/spin and i have seen enough of Amla innings against many attacks in various conditions that i dont even need to check the stats to get the answer but if you need to confirm you can check it against Australia or the other top teams in home and away and i am sure you will not be disappointed.

I know all the timings, and you never have more important things to do in life when it comes to creating 100 threads on Amla bhai every day.

Nonetheless, the discussion is about ODI cricket not Test cricket. When in other threads someone switches to another format, you point it out that its illogical, but now you're doing exactly the same.

Stick to ODIs, and explain why the drop in average and strike rate (since you always say that stats don't lie, and use stats to prove your point).

Also, don't forget he doesn't get to play against South African bowlers, regardless of the format.

 

[Mamoon]

This is what you call straw clutching.

How is his ability to handle pace and bounce in Tests related to his performance against good attacks in tough conditions in ODIs?

When you created the thread about Kohli struggling in Australia in ODIs, did you consider that he scored 4 hundreds against them in 4 Tests in the recently concluded Test series?

Why didn't you apply the same logic?

 

[desi_launda]

Aus vs Sa 2014 ODI series

1st ODI,Perth: Amla 8(13) vs MJ
2nd ODI,Perth: Amla 10(22) vs MJ
3rd ODI,Canberra: Amla 102(115) MJ DNP
4th ODI,MCG:Amla 18(22) vs NCN
5th ODI,Sydney: Amla 18(28)

 

[Strike Rate]

I know all the timings, and you never have more important things to do in life when it comes to creating 100 threads on Amla bhai every day.

Nonetheless, the discussion is about ODI cricket not Test cricket. When in other threads someone switches to another format, you point it out that its illogical, but now you're doing exactly the same.

Stick to ODIs, and explain why the drop in average and strike rate (since you always say that stats don't lie, and use stats to prove your point).

Also, don't forget he doesn't get to play against South African bowlers, regardless of the format.

my threads on amla will be at least 10,000 times less than your posts directly and indirectly bashing Imran Khan / Amla and Pakistani players i can bet 40,000 out of the 45,000 posts you made in 2.5 years are related to either bashing Pakistan team or Imran Kha (btw Are these 45,000 posts real or there is some technical fault in PP?)

Now coming to the topic OP asked a simple a question about ability to handle pace and bounce and i answered it already to him and you can see his reply to my post too now you can go cry a river and wait for Amla to fail so you can boost your Amla bashing by 200% starting from his beard to his religion and his team and what not.

 

[IndianWillow]

Against who do you think Amla scored all his runs in 2008 and 2010 anyway?

Tests or ODIs?
Tests:
In 2008, he had just one good knock on a belter of a pitch where Sehwag caned Steyn and co to get 319!!
In 2010, India did not have a good spin attack any more, Bhajji was good in patches but still on the decline and did not even find himself in the side six months later.

ODIs:
In 2010, he got 87 against the following bowling lineup - Sreesanth, Tyagi, Mithun, Jadeja and Yusuf Pathan - all rookie bowlers at that time. During ICC 2011 in India, he made good knocks only against the weakest sides, 113 vs Netherlands and 51 vs Bangladesh. His only good knock of 61 came chasing against India.

Amla's record in India is pretty good, but it can't be said that he faced a good bowling side here.

 

[Mamoon]

my threads on amla will be at least 10,000 times less than your posts directly and indirectly bashing Imran Khan / Amla and Pakistani players i can bet 40,000 out of the 45,000 posts you made in 2.5 years are related to either bashing Pakistan team or Imran Kha (btw Are these 45,000 posts real or there is some technical fault in PP?)

Now coming to the topic OP asked a simple a question about ability to handle pace and bounce and i answered it already to him and you can see his reply to my post too now you can go cry a river and wait for Amla to fail so you can boost your Amla bashing by 200% starting from his beard to his religion and his team and what not.

You did not answer.

Your response was that the best way to judge a player against pace and bounce is Test cricket. What a stupid reply.

He's asking about the massive drop in average and SR in ODIs and you are diverting the attention to Tests because you don't have an answer?

Why don't you judge Kohli's performance against pace and bounce by the his Test record in Australia, rather than ODI record?

Your double standards can be seen from another galaxy.

 

[Strike Rate]

You did not answer.

Your response was that the best way to judge a player against pace and bounce is Test cricket. What a stupid reply.

He's asking about the massive drop in average and SR in ODIs and you are diverting the attention to Tests because you don't have an answer?

Why don't you judge Kohli's performance against pace and bounce by the his Test record in Australia, rather than ODI record?

Your double standards can be seen from another galaxy.

your hate can be seen even by a blind person mr mamoon now you are just showing your frustration from another thread by crying here

 

[Electron]

Kohli's Test average in Aus, NZ and South Africa : 64+
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround


Yet he gets bashed for failing in ODIs in these countries. So, obviously, different formats do make a difference and have their own case.

 

[Mamoon]

your hate can be seen even by a blind person mr mamoon now you are just showing your frustration from another thread by crying here

I'm not crying, just exposing your agenda.

Carry on.

 

[Strike Rate]

I'm not crying, just exposing your agenda.

Carry on.

after being exposed left right and center on every other thread of PP?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kohli's Test average in Aus, NZ and South Africa : 64+
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround


.

As my boi Mobashir would say; BUT BUT BUT, all the runs Kohli scored was because those wickets in AUS, NZ & SA were flat ...

 

[Mamoon]

after being exposed left right and center on every other thread of PP?

So you are blaming me for being biased, but you yourself are heavily blinded by love and bias for Amla bhai?

And that has been my point for years now but you lived in denial.

At least now you're admitting it yourself that are biased.

Good.

 

[Romali_rotti]

after being exposed left right and center on every other thread of PP?

You are still not answering his question, stop the drift...