Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[Strike Rate]

South Africa to chase 320 in World Cup Semi final.

Only one of AB or Amla can make runs and you don't have an option to chose both. Who would you chose?

South AFricat to chase 320 in World Cup Semi final.

Only one of Miller or Amla can make runs (we are assuming both will make plenty of runs, not just a pretty 30 or 20), who will you chose ?

I think no one in their right mind would chose Amla if a fast chase is required. Amla can be a good consolidator, but he doesn't have the X-factor.

I am sorry that's my opinion.

the other batsmen around him can score and pretty quickly too thats what happening around kock russow abd plessis all scoring runs SA is not going to depend on Amla and ABD alone if they are up to win the cup

 

[Strike Rate]

You need a solid base to chase 300. The likes of miller & abd can accelerate later on.

I dont think he was never in any IPL auction maybe they don't put his name forward thinking he is not attacking enough for them or maybe he don't want to play it i am not sure but never heard amla name with ipl

 

[Bilal7]

For that, you have to be good in tests which Ajmal wasn't bar one England performance. He was an ODI great but not THE GREATEST spinner of ALL TIME.

Not even close.

Greatest chucker of all time, now that it's been proven.

I was talking about the ODI format in which he is one of the greatest ever.

 

[Bilal7]

I dont think he was never in any IPL auction maybe they don't put his name forward thinking he is not attacking enough for them or maybe he don't want to play it i am not sure but never heard amla name with ipl

He has never made himself available.

 

[Swanny]

I dont think he was never in any IPL auction maybe they don't put his name forward thinking he is not attacking enough for them or maybe he don't want to play it i am not sure but never heard amla name with ipl

I dont know why he wasnt picked in earlier ipls but he played some imp knocks for SA in t20 wc which must have got people excited about him.
Also they will look at him as a potential captain & for coach cum mentor role in the future

 

[Ikball]

One of greats of modern day cricket, good thing about his hundreds is unlike Tendu, his hundreds are in winning cause.

 

[Ikball]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thinks that people praise him just because of his beard, he is so innocent that he never thinks same people praise ABDV, Sanga, Dhoni.

 

[Strike Rate]

Here is what Martin Crowe said about Amla in his latest column:

Hashim Amla a modern-day great player with a beautiful attitude to the game. He's the sort of guy you want to see succeed, oozing class from beard to toe.

 

[Mamoon]

He just had to mention the beard . . . . couldn't resist.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thinks that people praise him just because of his beard, he is so innocent that he never thinks same people praise ABDV, Sanga, Dhoni.

You not innocent, you are simply naive or choose to be.

Has anyone said that he hopes that Sangakkara, de Villiers, Dhoni etc. score runs against Pakistan so that their averages aren't disturbed?

Has anyone ever lied on live TV about the fasting routine of some other Muslim player?

 

[Strike Rate]

He just had to mention the beard . . . . couldn't resist.

You skipped the "beautiful attitude to the game" part

 

[Mamoon]

His attitude to the game is definitely amazing, no doubt.

 

[Strike Rate]

You not innocent, you are simply naive or choose to be.

Has anyone said that he hopes that Sangakkara, de Villiers, Dhoni etc. score runs against Pakistan so that their averages aren't disturbed?

Has anyone ever lied on live TV about the fasting routine of some other Muslim player?

Sometime i do enjoy Sanga playing against Pak even if the phainta mode is on he is such a CLH Bradman against us in Tests so it's better to watch him when we are going towards a dull draw on roads with nothing for bowlers

 

[Mamoon]

Sometime i do enjoy Sanga playing against Pak even if the phainta mode is on he is such a CLH Bradman against us in Tests so it's better to watch him when we are going towards a dull draw on roads with nothing for bowlers

Enjoying is different, he's such a class act everyone enjoys when he puts on a masterclass which he does every time against Pakistan, but to 'hope' that he scores against us so that his average is not affected has never happened.

We all hope he fails against us so that we beat SL. Here the situation is different, people are ready to hamper Pakistan for Amla bhai's success.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I have to say it's unheard of to actually wish a player succeeds against Pakistan because he has a beard of Muslim.

It's almost like saying I hope India lose but Zaheer Khan gets tons of wickets.

But it's never said for Zaheer Khan or was ever said for him.

Which is why one has to wonder if it's actually the beard that prompted such a weird comment, that "I hope that Pakistan wins and everyone in South Africa fails but Amla scores tons of runs".

Why not Zak then?

 

[Mamoon]

^ Of course its the beard, but if you point that out, they'll call you a hater.

 

[Smbhayi]

He doesn't play the IPL.

I dont think he was never in any IPL auction maybe they don't put his name forward thinking he is not attacking enough for them or maybe he don't want to play it i am not sure but never heard amla name with ipl

IPL auction on February 16

Yuvraj Singh, Kevin Pietersen and Dinesh Karthik along with South Africa Test captain Hashim Amla have attracted the highest base price of Rs 20,000,000. An additional purse of INR 30,000,000 will be available to each franchise over and above the balance accrued from the INR 600,000,000 last year along with the amount generated from the release of players.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/824751.html

 

[Strike Rate]

IPL auction on February 16

Yuvraj Singh, Kevin Pietersen and Dinesh Karthik along with South Africa Test captain Hashim Amla have attracted the highest base price of Rs 20,000,000. An additional purse of INR 30,000,000 will be available to each franchise over and above the balance accrued from the INR 600,000,000 last year along with the amount generated from the release of players.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/824751.html

so IPL franchises interested in Amla and that too with a highest base price of Rs 20,000,000 [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] IPL owners need your advise tell them he can't hit sixes or finish off any match for them stupids millionaires!

 

[Mamoon]

^ Many poor players have got IPL contracts, let alone Amla bhai.

However, I wonder what changed his mind?

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/ipl-spreads-things-forbidden-in-islam-hashim-amla-13754

 

[Strike Rate]

^ Many poor players have got IPL contracts, let alone Amla bhai.

However, I wonder what changed his mind?

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/ipl-spreads-things-forbidden-in-islam-hashim-amla-13754

but the highest base price is the point!

 

[Mamoon]

He's the best ODI opener in the world, and has done well in SA domestic T20s lately, so its surprising. IPL is all about marketing, and big name players are more expensive.

Now lets shed some light on his change of heart over IPL. What has changed? How has it stopped spreading anti-Islamic things?

 

[Mamoon]

So its not surprising*

 

[Strike Rate]

^ Many poor players have got IPL contracts, let alone Amla bhai.

However, I wonder what changed his mind?

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/ipl-spreads-things-forbidden-in-islam-hashim-amla-13754

btw cricketcountry looks like another masala site (maybe i am wrong) they picked pakpassion interviews too too here is what amla said about IPL in his interview with Saj for PP

Saj: With so many of your team mates playing in Twenty20 leagues around the world, is that something that appeals to you also?

Amla: The one league that most are involved in is the Indian Premier League (IPL) and that comes at the conclusion of our international season. At the moment I find it a good gap to rest and spend time with my family and catch up with all the things I put on hold during the season. The international calendar is quite tiring, so I have decided to see how I feel towards the end of each season before I make myself available for the Indian Premier League or any other Twenty20 competitions around the world.

He said he will look into his calendar he dont mind playing leagues

 

[soso_killer]

If its any consolation, Parnell has a beard...

 

[Strike Rate]

If its any consolation, Parnell has a beard...

Waleed Bhai

 

[Dr_Bassim]

He's the best ODI opener in the world, and has done well in SA domestic T20s lately, so its surprising. IPL is all about marketing, and big name players are more expensive.

Now lets shed some light on his change of heart over IPL. What has changed? How has it stopped spreading anti-Islamic things?

It was mighty foolish not to play IPL in the first place because of cheerleaders.

They are other ways to be religious, and I think it's good that he has got off the flimsy excuse he gave for not playing the Mega Event.

It was a ridiculous one at that.

Also I believe when you see players around the world earn "Easy Money" and you are capable enough to "earn money" then even your strongest convictions start to wither away.

Amla is good enough for T20 and he probably found the flaw in his argument.

There are other ways to protest, but losing out on millions because of cheerleaders seems a redundant idea.

 

[SULTAN]

^ Of course its the beard, but if you point that out, they'll call you a hater.

So why not the same love for Moeen Ali, he has a better groomed beard arguably , has hair on his head, and most importantly from ENG where a lots of these PPers live????

 

[Strike Rate]

It was mighty foolish not to play IPL in the first place because of cheerleaders.

They are other ways to be religious, and I think it's good that he has got off the flimsy excuse he gave for not playing the Mega Event.

It was a ridiculous one at that.

Also I believe when you see players around the world earn "Easy Money" and you are capable enough to "earn money" then even your strongest convictions start to wither away.

Amla is good enough for T20 and he probably found the flaw in his argument.

There are other ways to protest, but losing out on millions because of cheerleaders seems a redundant idea.

Dr Sahab i posted excerpt from Amla interview with PP he don't mind playing IPL it was just that he found his calender busy and wanted to spend time with family.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Dr Sahab i posted excerpt from Amla interview with PP he don't mind playing IPL it was just that he found his calender busy and wanted to spend time with family.

And Mamoon posted a link where he said "it was anti-Islamic because of cheerleaders" so who to believe?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

So why not the same love for Moeen Ali, he has a better groomed beard arguably , has hair on his head, and most importantly from ENG where a lots of these PPers live????

Moeen Bhai is loved just as vociferously.

In fact only Devcich bhai must be feeling left out in this quest of love.

 

[Mamoon]

btw cricketcountry looks like another masala site (maybe i am wrong) they picked pakpassion interviews too too here is what amla said about IPL in his interview with Saj for PP

Saj: With so many of your team mates playing in Twenty20 leagues around the world, is that something that appeals to you also?

Amla: The one league that most are involved in is the Indian Premier League (IPL) and that comes at the conclusion of our international season. At the moment I find it a good gap to rest and spend time with my family and catch up with all the things I put on hold during the season. The international calendar is quite tiring, so I have decided to see how I feel towards the end of each season before I make myself available for the Indian Premier League or any other Twenty20 competitions around the world.

He said he will look into his calendar he dont mind playing leagues

Good, now this makes sense.

Back to the same point now - what was the pointing of linking him not playing IPL to Islam?

This is exactly the obsession that is off-putting. There is no quote of him saying so, but people have already assumed the reason for it.

 

[Mamoon]

So why not the same love for Moeen Ali, he has a better groomed beard arguably , has hair on his head, and most importantly from ENG where a lots of these PPers live????

He is loved with the same passion, but the unfortunate complication is that he has turned out to be a quite a mediocre player so far.

 

[Mamoon]

It was mighty foolish not to play IPL in the first place because of cheerleaders.

They are other ways to be religious, and I think it's good that he has got off the flimsy excuse he gave for not playing the Mega Event.

It was a ridiculous one at that.

Also I believe when you see players around the world earn "Easy Money" and you are capable enough to "earn money" then even your strongest convictions start to wither away.

Amla is good enough for T20 and he probably found the flaw in his argument.

There are other ways to protest, but losing out on millions because of cheerleaders seems a redundant idea.

Yes, especially when they are cheerleaders in T20 internationals as well.

 

[Mamoon]

The 'I don't play IPL because of cheerleaders' links have no direct quotes, so benefit of doubt goes to him here, but it is another example of the obsession of forcing him into a Muslim role-model.

 

[Strike Rate]

And Mamoon posted a link where he said "it was anti-Islamic because of cheerleaders" so who to believe?

that link says According to a report in cricketmagazine.net, so they are also quoting someone else and guess what you want to know something more interesting? the domain i mean the website cricketmagazine.net is available for sale want to buy it lol? That is the credibility of internet news you can start a site with $10 domain and post all the garbage you want without even mentioning the source and other site will copy and paste too without even confirming

 

[Strike Rate]

The 'I don't play IPL because of cheerleaders' links have no direct quotes, so benefit of doubt goes to him here, but it is another example of the obsession of forcing him into a Muslim role-model.

i did the research in 10 minutes and amla come out clean read my post above where i quotes doc

 

[soso_killer]

Waleed Bhai

Don't you wish him a 5-for against Pakistan.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

that link says According to a report in cricketmagazine.net, so they are also quoting someone else and guess what you want to know something more interesting? the domain i mean the website cricketmagazine.net is available for sale want to buy it lol? That is the credibility of internet news you can start a site with $10 domain and post all the garbage you want without even mentioning the source and other site will copy and paste too without even confirming

I think that is the problem.

Because he has a beard, people are trying to fit him into the role model Muslim, while he himself may be anything but that.

That's where the snag lies.

He never fasted but he was assumed to be fasting. He didn't play IPL for personal reasons, but was assumed to be avoiding cheerleaders.

People desperately want him into a perfect Muslim bhai.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't you wish him a 5-for against Pakistan.

There is Tahir bhai as well, so they can share the 10 wickets between them and Amla bhai to top score.

Perfection.

 

[Strike Rate]

I think that is the problem.

Because he has a beard, people are trying to fit him into the role model Muslim, while he himself may be anything but that.

That's where the snag lies.

He never fasted but he was assumed to be fasting. He didn't play IPL for personal reasons, but was assumed to be avoiding cheerleaders.

People desperately want him into a perfect Muslim bhai.

Yes but the problem is we dont know whon was the owner of that cricketmagazine.net website maybe he was muslim maybe he wan not and what was his agenda? just selling own made masala story or turning amla into a perfect role model

 

[Strike Rate]

Don't you wish him a 5-for against Pakistan.

yes why not but he should concede at least 100 runs to get his 5 wickets while the other bowlers should also contribute with an economy of 7+ i don't mind gifting him a 5fer than!

 

[London_Lahori]

No agenda, but its the attitude towards beards in our culture that irks me.

Nice post revealing your true emotions.

No agenda you say, yet you clearly have an issue with Amla for multiple reasons. Could be his beard, could be the fact that PPers call him Amla bhai (you've said in the past this irks you) or it could just be that your as usual terrible judgment on players is backfiring with Amla.

I remember when you use to say his average at 53 with a SR in the 90's was undeserved. Now his average is 56.41. Please tell me of the pain.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yes but the problem is we dont know whon was the owner of that cricketmagazine.net website maybe he was muslim maybe he wan not and what was his agenda? just selling own made masala story or turning amla into a perfect role model

That was a magazine.

Then Junaid Jamshed saying "he was fasting" which was disproved later.

Clearly the desperation for role model is reeking here.

In fact why is "Tahir" not liked to the same degree despite sporting a minute version of the beard. I put it down to the simple factor that "Tahir bhai" has beard but is "obnoxious" and does not conduct himself like a "True Muslim Bearded" Guy should.

That's the sole reason that Tahir Bhai is not liked.

Because he does not flaunt Islam in his beard.

I wish it were not that way, but that's the sad story.

If you have a beard and you are glorifying Islam with dignity , you are immediately loved. If you have beard, and you are obnoxious and don't glorify Islam, you are considered a tool.

We all know what I'm talking about

 

[Mamoon]

Nice post revealing your true emotions.

No agenda you say, yet you clearly have an issue with Amla for multiple reasons. Could be his beard, could be the fact that PPers call him Amla bhai (you've said in the past this irks you) or it could just be that your as usual terrible judgment on players is backfiring with Amla.

I remember when you use to say his average at 53 with a SR in the 90's was undeserved. Now his average is 56.41. Please tell me of the pain.

Strike rate is definitely misleading, because he is one paced.

He strike at 90, but when you need 50 of 30 balls, he is practically useless because he cannot slog against good bowling, he's master of milking the bowlers.

If South Africa want to chase a massive total against a good team at the World Cup, he will have to get out early, or play like he did yesterday against a third class attack which is also unlikely.

His strike rate is similar on paper to de Villiers, Dhoni and Kohli, but he doesn't have the same ability to turn the tables in a matter of a few overs.

He's an anchor, who is always banking on his teammates to force the initiative. He lacks the x factor to be a match-winner in his own right.

Yes I have an issue with people calling him bhai, just because he has a beard.

I thought all Muslims are brothers, that's what we learned growing up - I never heard anywhere that only bearded Muslims are brothers.

So why not Zaheer bhai, Or why aren't all Pakistani players referred to as bhai?

What makes someone a 'bhai'?

I also have an issue with Junaid Jamshed lying through his beard on live TV over how he was fasting during the Oval Tests, only to get royally owned by CSA few days later.

I also have an issue with the assumption that he doesn't play IPL because its against Islam, even though he didn't say anything like that.

I hope this knocks some sense into your head which should be firmly out of the ground now.

 

[Strike Rate]

That was a magazine.

Then Junaid Jamshed saying "he was fasting" which was disproved later.

Clearly the desperation for role model is reeking here.

In fact why is "Tahir" not liked to the same degree despite sporting a minute version of the beard. I put it down to the simple factor that "Tahir bhai" has beard but is "obnoxious" and does not conduct himself like a "True Muslim Bearded" Guy should.

That's the sole reason that Tahir Bhai is not liked.

Because he does not flaunt Islam in his beard.

I wish it were not that way, but that's the sad story.

If you have a beard and you are glorifying Islam with dignity , you are immediately loved. If you have beard, and you are obnoxious and don't glorify Islam, you are considered a tool.

We all know what I'm talking about

That was just another site with the domain name magazine in it run by some guy on internet if it was a good one it should have been still there instead of disappearing and listing the domain on sale now coming on Tahir bhai issue i think he is also with Tableeghi Jamaat now so should we expect everyone to show their love for him in coming days at PP?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]

Tahir and Waleed bhais don't have long enough beards yet, and they haven't been captured reading the Quran in the Bus or haven't shown public support for Gaza and there hasn't been much hoopla over not wearing beer logos etc. When all of that happens they'll be elevated to the status of Amla and Moeen bhai.

 

[Swanny]

What if amla takes the field sporting the csk logo ?
Some peoples heads are gonna explode.

 

[Strike Rate]

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION]

Tahir and Waleed bhais don't have long enough beards yet, and they haven't been captured reading the Quran in the Bus or haven't shown public support for Gaza and there hasn't been much hoopla over not wearing beer logos etc. When all of that happens they'll be elevated to the status of Amla and Moeen bhai.

Last time Waleed was found in full muslim touch on his Nikah

 

[Dr_Bassim]

That was just another site with the domain name magazine in it run by some guy on internet if it was a good one it should have been still there instead of disappearing and listing the domain on sale now coming on Tahir bhai issue i think he is also with Tableeghi Jamaat now so should we expect everyone to show their love for him in coming days at PP?

No as I said, its not enough to be sporting a beard or "Tableeghi Jamaat" as you said.

You have to have a beard and then also behave like a "humble true Muslim" before you can get "Bhai" title.

Which is why I ask the same question... Why is Zaheer Khan not a "bhai"???

I suppose every Muslim should be a "Bhai" not just crowd favorites....

Waiting for the day when we see "Shami bhai" being loved with same fervour as Amla "bhai"

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, but the beard needs to fist length first.

Tahir is getting there, soon to be awarded 'bhai' status.

 

[Strike Rate]

No as I said, its not enough to be sporting a beard or "Tableeghi Jamaat" as you said.

You have to have a beard and then also behave like a "humble true Muslim" before you can get "Bhai" title.

Which is why I ask the same question... Why is Zaheer Khan not a "bhai"???

I suppose every Muslim should be a "Bhai" not just crowd favorites....

Waiting for the day when we see "Shami bhai" being loved with same fervour as Amla "bhai"

but why Junaid is still called junaid jamshed instead of junaid bhaiiii! i hear 99.9% people calling him junaid jamshed if we go by your criteria he is on merit for this bhai label

 

[Strike Rate]

Yes, but the beard needs to fist length first.

Tahir is getting there, soon to be awarded 'bhai' status.

is he going to stop distributing those flying kisses?

 

[Mamoon]

Actually no, majority of the people refer to him as Junaid Jamshed bhai, but I think he lost that status after his comments and the subsequent exile in UK.

 

[Mamoon]

is he going to stop distributing those flying kisses?

He should, unless he wants a fatwa issued against him. Pretty sure its haraam.

 

[Strike Rate]

Actually no, majority of the people refer to him as Junaid Jamshed bhai, but I think he lost that status after his comments and the subsequent exile in UK.

very very few people add bhai with junaid or junaid jamshed

 

[Mobashir]

Strike rate is definitely misleading, because he is one paced.

He strike at 90, but when you need 50 of 30 balls, he is practically useless because he cannot slog against good bowling, he's master of milking the bowlers.

If South Africa want to chase a massive total against a good team at the World Cup, he will have to get out early, or play like he did yesterday against a third class attack which is also unlikely.

His strike rate is similar on paper to de Villiers, Dhoni and Kohli, but he doesn't have the same ability to turn the tables in a matter of a few overs.

Now that's quite poor analysis again.

Amla strike rate about 100 against the new ball in the first 10 overs even in South Africa where the new ball is still doing something. ABDV will not survive these first 10 overs 5 out of 10 times, Kohli will ne survive them 8 out of 10 times, and Dhoni will survive them 0 times out of 10.

Each batsman has his own qualities.
And putting Dhoni in this list is an insult to the other! Dhoni makes average trough innings like he played against Pakistan in the second ODI or in SA in the first ODI. completely useless and selfish innings

 

[Mamoon]

I don't think that's the case, but why isn't he a bhai like Amla bhai? What's missing?

 

[Strike Rate]

I don't think that's the case, but why isn't he a bhai like Amla bhai? What's missing?

the criteria doc mentioned is fully fit for JJ so why he is not called bhai in that way thats what i am asking you guys

 

[Mamoon]

Now that's quite poor analysis again.

Amla strike rate about 100 against the new ball in the first 10 overs even in South Africa where the new ball is still doing something. ABDV will not survive these first 10 overs 5 out of 10 times, Kohli will ne survive them 8 out of 10 times, and Dhoni will survive them 0 times out of 10.

Each batsman has his own qualities.
And putting Dhoni in this list is an insult to the other! Dhoni makes average trough innings like he played against Pakistan in the second ODI or in SA in the first ODI. completely useless and selfish innings

Dhoni is the best finisher ever in ODIs, anything you say isn't going to change that, but you are entitled to your opinion and lets agree to disagree here.

Whatever the role might be, Amla bhai lacks that cutting edge to be a match-winner and I won't have him in my ODI team ahead of the three other batsmen I mentioned in big, high pressure matches against quality teams but surely, I won't look past Amla bhai in bilaterals.

There has been never been a better bilateral player than him, unless you need to chase 300+, but I'll be generous and let that go as well.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Now that's quite poor analysis again.

Amla strike rate about 100 against the new ball in the first 10 overs even in South Africa where the new ball is still doing something. ABDV will not survive these first 10 overs 5 out of 10 times, Kohli will ne survive them 8 out of 10 times, and Dhoni will survive them 0 times out of 10.

Each batsman has his own qualities.
And putting Dhoni in this list is an insult to the other! Dhoni makes average trough innings like he played against Pakistan in the second ODI or in SA in the first ODI. completely useless and selfish innings

Even counting those selfish innings, Dhoni has the best finisher average in the world.

But what to expect from someone who said Kohli and Hafeez are similar test players...

Not sure who will take your views seriously after another gem saying Dhoni is selfish, which is disproved by highest wins as finisher.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

the criteria doc mentioned is fully fit for JJ so why he is not called bhai in that way thats what i am asking you guys

JJ is not a cricketer.

 

[Nothing matters]

bhai needs to spend some time with our young batsmen and teach them the art of strike rotation. We love him so much, this is the least he could do for us.

A few sessions would go a long way for the likes of Shehzad, Azhar, Asad etc.

He spent some time with nasir,Didn't help much

 

[Mamoon]

the criteria doc mentioned is fully fit for JJ so why he is not called bhai in that way thats what i am asking you guys

Well, ask the people who call him bhai and hope that he scores against us so that his average is not disturbed, or the people who lied about him fasting and assume that he doesn't play IPL on religious grounds.

 

[Strike Rate]

JJ is not a cricketer.

so to be a bhai you need to a cricketer? ok let sa yousuf bhai? inzi bhai? how common is that

 

[Mamoon]

He spent some time with nasir,Didn't help much

True, maybe he picked up some dietary tips from Jamshed instead.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

so to be a bhai you need to a cricketer? ok let sa yousuf bhai? inzi bhai? how common is that

I should have made myself clearer.

Pakistanis by default are "bhai cricketers"

The cricketers of other countries are labelled "Bhai" to show affiliation which is of religious nature.

But when cricketers like Zak and Shami are ignored, you begin to question the motives for religious 'Bhai" affiliation.

 

[Strike Rate]

I should have made myself clearer.

Pakistanis by default are "bhai cricketers"

The cricketers of other countries are labelled "Bhai" to show affiliation which is of religious nature.

But when cricketers like Zak and Shami are ignored, you begin to question the motives for religious 'Bhai" affiliation.

but but even if it's by default why can't they say their name instead they say MoYo and Inzi here? can't even say first name? why they dont call Amla as Hash just like they call MoYo and Inzi although all the 3 i mentioned come under same criteria and guess what let me throw example here i have seen more ppers using the Bhai label for Wasim much more than any other Pakistani crickter so why it's as Wasim Bhai what is the religious motive behind that?

 

[Mobashir]

Dhoni is the best finisher ever in ODIs, anything you say isn't going to change that, but you are entitled to your opinion and lets agree to disagree here.

Whatever the role might be, Amla bhai lacks that cutting edge to be a match-winner and I won't have him in my ODI team ahead of the three other batsmen I mentioned in big, high pressure matches against quality teams but surely, I won't look past Amla bhai in bilaterals.

There has been never been a better bilateral player than him, unless you need to chase 300+, but I'll be generous and let that go as well.

Even counting those selfish innings, Dhoni has the best finisher average in the world.

But what to expect from someone who said Kohli and Hafeez are similar test players...

Not sure who will take your views seriously after another gem saying Dhoni is selfish, which is disproved by highest wins as finisher.

Dhoni has a great average only because of the not outs. The matches you guys are saying he won are, if not always, often won by India's top order the moment Dhoni comes in.

He plays all his cricket on 300+ pitches and his Strike Rate in this decade is not just up to the level.

He can't play good fast bowling or good spin bowling. A limited cricketer, nothing more.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Dhoni has a great average only because of the not outs. The matches you guys are saying he won are, if not always, often won by India's top order the moment Dhoni comes in.

He plays all his cricket on 300+ pitches and his Strike Rate in this decade is not just up to the level.

He can't play good fast bowling or good spin bowling. A limited cricketer, nothing more.

You know even Bullet Drive thinks Dhoni is ODI great.

You are entitled to say he is limited but his not outs are not in losing causes.

Were that the case, he would be picked on like Tendulkar was for losing games.

Infact India has only two players as ATGs , Kohli and Dhoni.

No one else fits the bill for winning you matches.

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni has a great average only because of the not outs. The matches you guys are saying he won are, if not always, often won by India's top order the moment Dhoni comes in.

He plays all his cricket on 300+ pitches and his Strike Rate in this decade is not just up to the level.

He can't play good fast bowling or good spin bowling. A limited cricketer, nothing more.

Its not easy to finish off chases, even if the platform is set.

It takes tremendous amount of mental strength and skill to come out on top in a 50-50 situation 8/10 times, which Dhoni does.

You don't even rate his World Cup Final innings, so what more needs to be said.

Saying that Dhoni isn't an ATG finisher is as absurd a statement as calling Amla bhai a mediocre opener.

 

[Mobashir]

You know even Bullet Drive thinks Dhoni is ODI great.

You are entitled to say he is limited but his not outs are not in losing causes.

Were that the case, he would be picked on like Tendulkar was for losing games.

Infact India has only two players as ATGs , Kohli and Dhoni.

No one else fits the bill for winning you matches.

Now that's becoming hilarious!
Dhoni has "never" (very very rarely, if that has ever happened) won a match with a high required run rate needed the moment Dhoni comes in.
And that is what is difficult, scoring runs is not difficult anymore in cricket. Scoring extremely quick runs is difficult. But Dhoni is luck to have a lot attacking players upfront who don't let the RRR go to high.

Just look at the last NZ ODI series, Dhoni averages 68, with a a strike rate around 90, but still that is one of the series a batsman can play ever in his life. Actually the only decent innings is a 40 in the first match if I remember correctly. It's all about match situations.

 

[Mobashir]

Its not easy to finish off chases, even if the platform is set.

It takes tremendous amount of mental strength and skill to come out on top in a 50-50 situation 8/10 times, which Dhoni does.

You don't even rate his World Cup Final innings, so what more needs to be said.

Saying that Dhoni isn't an ATG finisher is as absurd a statement as calling Amla bhai a mediocre opener.

Can you tell me what happened to Dhoni in the latest NZ tours.
Average 68, SR 92

Was he good? Bad? Or like I think, the worst a batsman can do for his team.
Unable to shift gears, Dhoni? We agree?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Now that's becoming hilarious!
Dhoni has "never" (very very rarely, if that has ever happened) won a match with a high required run rate needed the moment Dhoni comes in.
And that is what is difficult, scoring runs is not difficult anymore in cricket. Scoring extremely quick runs is difficult. But Dhoni is luck to have a lot attacking players upfront who don't let the RRR go to high.

Just look at the last NZ ODI series, Dhoni averages 68, with a a strike rate around 90, but still that is one of the series a batsman can play ever in his life. Actually the only decent innings is a 40 in the first match if I remember correctly. It's all about match situations.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I am afraid no one will agree with you.

No matter how much you try to make others believe.

It's just not me who disagrees, but a lot of people will disagree with you.

 

[Indiafan]

Peaked too early

 

[Mamoon]

Can you tell me what happened to Dhoni in the latest NZ tours.
Average 68, SR 92

Was he good? Bad? Or like I think, the worst a batsman can do for his team.
Unable to shift gears, Dhoni? We agree?

Dhoni has looked out of touch in ODIs for quite some time, and I actually think he's slowly but surely entering into the decline phase of his career.

I can't see him playing in the 2019 World Cup, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he is arguably the best ODI finisher ever and is a genuine match-winning, pressure player.

You can't count on a declining Dhoni to come good in a pressure chase over a in-form Amla bhai.

When was the last time bhai starred in a big chase for his team or finished a tight game off?

Just because he's an opener doesn't mean that he is not allowed to do that, there is no role saying so.

Amla bhai is a much better batsman, and that's reflected by their Test records, but the discussion here is about Dhoni's ability to be a master chaser, win decisive matches and absorb pressure - qualities where Amla bhai is nowhere near him.

 

[Mobashir]

Dhoni has looked out of touch in ODIs for quite some time, and I actually think he's slowly but surely entering into the decline phase of his career.

I can't see him playing in the 2019 World Cup, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he is arguably the best ODI finisher ever and is a genuine match-winning, pressure player.

You can't count on a declining Dhoni to come good in a pressure chase over a in-form Amla bhai.

When was the last time bhai starred in a big chase for his team or finished a tight game off?

Just because he's an opener doesn't mean that he is not allowed to do that, there is no role saying so.

Amla bhai is a much better batsman, and that's reflected by their Test records, but the discussion here is about Dhoni's ability to be a master chaser, win decisive matches and absorb pressure - qualities where Amla bhai is nowhere near him.

You can't compare one Amla epic failure against Pakistan with Dhoni again and again not even going for the win, just for the runs and the Strike Rate.

For Amla finishing matches etc, not even merit an awnser.

If you guys I am degrading Dhoni because he is an Indian or something like this, it's not true. Raina, Yuvraj were and are much much better ODI batsmen than Dhoni.

 

[London_Lahori]

Strike rate is definitely misleading, because he is one paced.

He strike at 90, but when you need 50 of 30 balls, he is practically useless because he cannot slog against good bowling, he's master of milking the bowlers.

If South Africa want to chase a massive total against a good team at the World Cup, he will have to get out early, or play like he did yesterday against a third class attack which is also unlikely.

His strike rate is similar on paper to de Villiers, Dhoni and Kohli, but he doesn't have the same ability to turn the tables in a matter of a few overs.

He's an anchor, who is always banking on his teammates to force the initiative. He lacks the x factor to be a match-winner in his own right.

Yes I have an issue with people calling him bhai, just because he has a beard.

I thought all Muslims are brothers, that's what we learned growing up - I never heard anywhere that only bearded Muslims are brothers.

So why not Zaheer bhai, Or why aren't all Pakistani players referred to as bhai?

What makes someone a 'bhai'?

I also have an issue with Junaid Jamshed lying through his beard on live TV over how he was fasting during the Oval Tests, only to get royally owned by CSA few days later.

I also have an issue with the assumption that he doesn't play IPL because its against Islam, even though he didn't say anything like that.

I hope this knocks some sense into your head which should be firmly out of the ground now.

So all of these external factors, which by the way have nothing to do with Amla himself, are the reason you attempt to put him down?

You attempt to put him down because of what other people say about the man, as opposed to what he does himself.

My friend, it's your head which seems to be so far up a place the sun doesn't shine, that you can't see your pathetic ways.

 

[Mobashir]

You are entitled to your opinion.

I am afraid no one will agree with you.

No matter how much you try to make others believe.

It's just not me who disagrees, but a lot of people will disagree with you.

Dr, I am not here to make people think like me.

I am here to share my views, read others views etc...

Rather than awnsering Dhoni's stats vs performance on NZ tour, you went for trolling!

 

[Mamoon]

So all of these external factors, which by the way have nothing to do with Amla himself, are the reason you attempt to put him down?

You attempt to put him down because of what other people say about the man, as opposed to what he does himself.

My friend, it's your head which seems to be so far up a place the sun doesn't shine, that you can't see your pathetic ways.

Swing and a miss again.

My religious criticism is directed at the people who are obsessed with him.

Have I ever said why he has a beard? Why he reads the Quran in the bus? Why he should/shouldn't fast? Why he doesn't wear beer logos, why he doesn't play IPL etc etc? Its his private life, no concern of mine.

A notion that is lost on most people, who'll continue to fabricate lies just to make him look like a great Muslim.

My criticism regarding him bottling under pressure and failing in ICC events has nothing to do with his religious persona. Even if he ditches Islam and becomes an atheist hipster, my views on him as a cricketer will NOT change as long as he does not deliver for SA at the big stage.

 

[Mamoon]

You can't compare one Amla epic failure against Pakistan with Dhoni again and again not even going for the win, just for the runs and the Strike Rate.

For Amla finishing matches etc, not even merit an awnser.

If you guys I am degrading Dhoni because he is an Indian or something like this, it's not true. Raina, Yuvraj were and are much much better ODI batsmen than Dhoni.

That's your opinion then, but I think its absurd to say that Dhoni doesn't go for wins in ODIs. He has played some bizarre knocks in T20s, but in ODIs, he has been terrific match-winning batsman for India.