Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[bill_123]

lol @ this kid mentioned that ct final knock

you don't get it through your thick head do you. that was nothing significant.

 

[Mamoon]

lol @ this kid mentioned that ct final knock

you don't get it through your thick head do you. that was nothing significant.

Yes it wasn't, but still much better than what Amla bhai has ever produced in a knockout. Does that get into your not-so-thick head?

 

[Strike Rate]

I rate chasing a big total against a decent team more than anything, remind me the last time Amla bhai helped SA to chase 300 even against a club level attack.

Even de Villiers did it recently, brilliant partnership with du Plessis in Harare vs. Australia.

From my memory i remember Amla 129 against WI in their own backyard which helped SA chase 300 something

 

[Strike Rate]

one of the finest odi knocks man, watched it live, literally saffers were struggling to put bat on ball in that match and amla was butter smooth. remained unbeaten as well

yes that was the finest innings but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] will skip it because whatever that was it it was in 1st innings lol that sir mamoon dont rate

IIRC Amla completed that century in Akhtar over and i saw Akhtar appreciating it

 

[Electron]

as far as odi tournaments go abd amla kohli are all in the same ship, haven't done anything significant yet

so we will wait on that

other than that atleast amla does not need flat tracks always to score 100's and neither does he have issues against every swinging delivery and also does well in bi-laterals away from home as well in major countries

What nonsense. So, Amla bhai has been scoring his hundreds on minefields?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=136648]Ikball[/MENTION],

That is because I don't worship individuals, unlike other Pakistanis who can't see any faults in their idols no matter what they do because they are mental slaves of individuals.

I don't emotionally attach myself to individual players. Only the team matters.

 

[adarsh_bang]

Calm down Mamoon. Take it easy man. Surely he's better than most batters today.
Dont slate him because he is not viv.

 

[Mamoon]

Akhtar was past his prime, can't see Amla bhai doing well against Akhtar when he was at his peak.

 

[Electron]

Amla bhai for me is all stats. In pressure situations, Amla bhai goes missing. Nothing against him, but he is not in the same category as ABD or Kohli imo.

In pressure free situations however, Amla bhai > Kohli.

 

[bill_123]

What nonsense. So, Amla bhai has been scoring his hundreds on minefields?

not really. but he CAN score in conditions where the ball swings unlike someone who looks like a headless chicken

 

[Strike Rate]

Akhtar was past his prime, can't see Amla bhai doing well against Akhtar when he was at his peak.

he scored all his runs against Akhtar you are telling me? skipping the whole context just so you dont have to appreciate his effort? scoring an unbeaten 119 when the second highest scorer in the innings got 26 and there is no fifty in whole match shows you how much that century worth and the pressure of the context and in the end SA endup winning the match. But no you will find another excuse to skip it carry on with your regular BS we all know :keerenikaalo

 

[Electron]

not really. but he CAN score in conditions where the ball swings unlike someone who looks like a headless chicken

Which is why Amla bhai is a better Test batsman, but not for ODIs. Headless chicken can chase 325 inside 35 overs to keep his team alive in a tournament, Amla bhai can't.

 

[bill_123]

Which is why Amla bhai is a better Test batsman, but not for ODIs. Headless chicken can chase 325 inside 35 overs to keep his team alive in a tournament, Amla bhai can't.

but the same guy cannot carry his to a 200 odd total in alien conditions when all his mates are struggling

different gifts
nobody denies kohli's ability chasing btw

 

[Strike Rate]

Calm down Mamoon. Take it easy man. Surely he's better than most batters today.
Dont slate him because he is not viv.

he just have his personal hate agenda against people with beard i am sure nobody in his family got a beard otherwise mamoon will never enter the house or visit that family member!

 

[Mamoon]

he scored all his runs against Akhtar you are telling me? skipping the whole context just so you dont have to appreciate his effort? scoring an unbeaten 119 when the second highest scorer in the innings got 26 and there is no fifty in whole match shows you how much that century worth and the pressure of the context and in the end SA endup winning the match. But no you will find another excuse to skip it carry on with your regular BS we all know :keerenikaalo

Again, what happens to him in ICC events?

 

[Mamoon]

Amla bhai scores runs for South Africa,

PPers fight with each other.

 

[Strike Rate]

Again, what happens to him in ICC events?

carry on with your BS in every other thread it's like saying Kohli is better than Sachin because Kohli scored that 43 in final of CT while Sachin failed in both finals of WC

 

[bill_123]

he scored all his runs against Akhtar you are telling me? skipping the whole context just so you dont have to appreciate his effort? scoring an unbeaten 119 when the second highest scorer in the innings got 26 and there is no fifty in whole match shows you how much that century worth and the pressure of the context and in the end SA endup winning the match. But no you will find another excuse to skip it carry on with your regular BS we all know :keerenikaalo

I seriously cant believe mamoon would try to pick out flaws in that inning
that knock was pure GREATNESS

 

[Strike Rate]

Amla bhai scores runs for South Africa,

PPers fight with each other.

we appreciate it while you can't digest because you and your personal hate for people with beard so your turn every thread into a war with your regular bs

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Actually Sa is missing a sensational opener like Umar Amin who can play under pressure

 

[Ikball]

[MENTION=136648]Ikball[/MENTION],

That is because I don't worship individuals, unlike other Pakistanis who can't see any faults in their idols no matter what they do because they are mental slaves of individuals.

I don't emotionally attach myself to individual players. Only the team matters.

Addressing faults is good.

But at one time praising one highly and few days saying he is rubbish is U turn not a good habit.

 

[bill_123]

he just have his personal hate agenda against people with beard i am sure nobody in his family got a beard otherwise mamoon will never enter the house or visit that family member!

hahahhaa I bet he will abandon that relative coz of the beard

 

[Strike Rate]

I seriously cant believe mamoon would try to pick out flaws in that inning
that knock was pure GREATNESS

That's the problem with him he find his usual keere in every thing he hates while praise even little things of players he love.

 

[Electron]

but the same guy cannot carry his to a 200 odd total in alien conditions when all his mates are struggling

different gifts
nobody denies kohli's ability chasing btw

If alien conditions mean NZ, Aus, Eng and South Africa, then an average of 45 @ a SR of 87 isn't bad bro. You are being too harsh.

 

[Mamoon]

Calm down Mamoon. Take it easy man. Surely he's better than most batters today.
Dont slate him because he is not viv.

He is the best opener in the world by miles, but needs to perform for SA in ICC events where he has choked so far.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Strike Rate]

Actually Sa is missing a sensational opener like Umar Amin who can play under pressure

CLH Amin don't want to play for a minnow team like SA

 

[bill_123]

If alien conditions mean NZ, Aus, Eng and South Africa, then an average of 45 @ a SR of 87 isn't bad bro. You are being too harsh.

let it go man. what I meant was that kohli has some way to go in conquering conditions where the pitch is not completely flat. he is as good as they come when the pitch Is flat. not that he is bad when pitch aint flat but he just aint as good. while amla, de Villiers etc have aced it

opinions differ

for my money there is NO ODI bat other than abd who is better than amla in ODIs today

 

[JibranAnsari]

Lol mamoon with all his love for amla strikes again.

If amla shaves tomorrow I bet this love will subside.

 

[Mamoon]

No agenda, but its the attitude towards beards in our culture that irks me.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol mamoon with all his love for amla strikes again.

If amla shaves tomorrow I bet this love will subside.

Not my love, but for a lot of people it will.

 

[manick badsha]

Not surprising.Amla bhai always feasts on some club level bowling under favourable condition.

 

[Mamoon]

Addressing faults is good.

But at one time praising one highly and few days saying he is rubbish is U turn not a good habit.

If they turn out to be rubbish and you don't call them rubbish, you're just blinded by personal bias.

I never called Maqsood and Yasir rubbish, they simply didn't live up to the hype.

 

[vandokkum]

Some of you guys are really pathetic with your subtle digs at Amla in every discussion... make fun of his fans who are obsessed with him for non cricketing reasons if you wish (I would do the same) but bringing in his beard in every discussion is just low.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla has a better average than Kohli and Dhoni in WC matches so all this choking stuff is rubbish. He has played a grand total of three WC KO matches and two of those were in the T20 version.

Didn't choke in a single game, he was dismissed by good balls twice and in the 2011 QF, cut a delivery straight into the keeper's boot which lobbed up and was taken.

The fact that one botched chase, in which he wasn't even the main culprit, is being used to show how Amla chokes is hilarious and the height of desperation.

 

[srh]

Can't Mamoon look past a beard? very shallow thinking

 

[JibranAnsari]

Not my love, but for a lot of people it will.

Thats a two way affair.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]s comments on Amla bhai combined with the smiley cracks me up every time

 

[90MPH]

He's a run machine.

The bowing is rubbish but it's geneally mediocre everywhere around the world atm.

 

[Bilal7]

let it go man. what I meant was that kohli has some way to go in conquering conditions where the pitch is not completely flat. he is as good as they come when the pitch Is flat. not that he is bad when pitch aint flat but he just aint as good. while amla, de Villiers etc have aced it

opinions differ

for my money there is NO ODI bat other than abd who is better than amla in ODIs today

Kohli has been a failure in South Africa, England and Australia when playing against the home team. You don't even have to dig out stats to know how terrible he is against swing bowling. Now that the team management has acknowledged it and moved him a spot down, he should do better.

 

[Bilal7]

The Champions Trophy is a second rate tourney that even South Africa, eternal chokers, have managed to win. No way can it be grouped alongside World Cups.

 

[Gilly]

He's a run machine.

The bowing is rubbish but it's geneally mediocre everywhere around the world atm.

I think the difference in bowling of SA, Eng, Aus, NZ and bowling of WI is several tiers, I couldent see WI bowlers getting in the second 11 for these teams.

 

[Mamoon]

Amla has a better average than Kohli and Dhoni in WC matches so all this choking stuff is rubbish. He has played a grand total of three WC KO matches and two of those were in the T20 version.

Didn't choke in a single game, he was dismissed by good balls twice and in the 2011 QF, cut a delivery straight into the keeper's boot which lobbed up and was taken.

The fact that one botched chase, in which he wasn't even the main culprit, is being used to show how Amla chokes is hilarious and the height of desperation.

These things happen when you are not in the right place mentally, sometimes you get run out etc etc. its part of the deal.

Bottom line is that he hasn't helped SA to a knockout win in any ICC event in any manner. End of story.

Lets wait till the World Cup ends, and then we will bring this issue up again and reassess.

 

[bill_123]

Kohli has been a failure in South Africa, England and Australia when playing against the home team. You don't even have to dig out stats to know how terrible he is against swing bowling. Now that the team management has acknowledged it and moved him a spot down, he should do better.

yep. but no no matter how many conditions and situations amla aces around the globe, all they want to bash him for is a 300 chase on dead flat tracks. APPARENTLY THAT IS ONLY TALENT YOU REQUIRE
for the record amla has done it once if iam not wrong against wi in wi. now they will come up with "oh it was west indies"
sure but kohli is rated alongside viv when he smashes bhuvaneshwar kumar in ipl. the kind of bias these people have is utter bs

 

[yadunoe]

love amla my fav non pakistani batsman by a country mile, he just oozes confidence compassion hard work and determination

 

[90MPH]

Some of you guys are really pathetic with your subtle digs at Amla in every discussion... make fun of his fans who are obsessed with him for non cricketing reasons if you wish (I would do the same) but bringing in his beard in every discussion is just low.

And who are these "guys" ??

I can only see 1 attention seeker who is doing so in this thread, who has also taken digs at him many times in the past as well.

Let me say I never judge Amla because of his beard or that he is a Muslim.

I couldn't care less - but the fact is he's 1 of the worlds best batsman and he's a very humble guy as well.

 

[Bilal7]

He is the best opener in the world by miles, but needs to perform for SA in ICC events where he has choked so far.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If you want to salvage any credibility, show me where he choked in WC knockout matches? You call South Africa a team of chokers because they haven't won a WC and conveniently throw away the Champions Trophy in those discussions, but then when it comes to Amla, the Champions Trophy is suddenly illustrious enough to be grouped alongside the WCs.

Height of hypocrisy.

 

[vandokkum]

And who are these "guys" ??

I can only see 1 attention seeker who is doing so in this thread, who has also taken digs at him many times in the past as well.

Let me say I never judge Amla because of his beard or that he is a Muslim.

I couldn't care less - but the fact is he's 1 of the worlds best batsman and he's a very humble guy as well.

Mamoon and many of the Indian fans.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]s comments on Amla bhai combined with the smiley cracks me up every time

The best troll smile on PP along with

 

[vandokkum]

Why is Amla compared with a mediocre performer like Moeen Ali ? I can't remember a single time Amla bought religion onto the cricket field.

 

[Bilal7]

If they turn out to be rubbish and you don't call them rubbish, you're just blinded by personal bias.

I never called Maqsood and Yasir rubbish, they simply didn't live up to the hype.

Hilarious. Both are in their debut seasons, Yasir made his debut a few months ago, and now they didn't live up to the hype? LOL!

Mamoon is the PP'er equivalent of Farhaan Behardien.

 

[90MPH]

I think the difference in bowling of SA, Eng, Aus, NZ and bowling of WI is several tiers, I couldent see WI bowlers getting in the second 11 for these teams.

Maybe it is but Amla will still score plenty of runs regardless especially his current form.

He can only score runs what's in front of him - and the first 10 overs the conditions were there to seam the ball as well.

 

[Mamoon]

If you want to salvage any credibility, show me where he choked in WC knockout matches? You call South Africa a team of chokers because they haven't won a WC and conveniently throw away the Champions Trophy in those discussions, but then when it comes to Amla, the Champions Trophy is suddenly illustrious enough to be grouped alongside the WCs.

Height of hypocrisy.

Not just World Cup, he has choked in CT and WT20s too.

Now they may be 'second grade' tourneys, but he didn't choke in them because he didn't take them seriously - nothing is second grade at any level when you represent your country.

He choked because so far he hasn't handled pressure well enough.

Valid criticism, no need of getting more defensive than the next South African ^1000.

 

[Mamoon]

Hilarious. Both are in their debut seasons, Yasir made his debut a few months ago, and now they didn't live up to the hype? LOL!

Mamoon is the PP'er equivalent of Farhaan Behardien.

He's 28, has been playing FC for over a decade and still doesn't have a good googly and other variations. He is 3/4 years behind where he should have been at this stage.

That kid Shahzaib is already a better developed leg-spinner. Yasir is a stop gap option only.

Maqsood is cut from the same cloth as Umar. Can't trust these mercurial batsmen.

 

[Ikball]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]s comments on Amla bhai combined with the smiley cracks me up every time

bcoz you are Mamoon's other Fake account

 

[Bilal7]

Mamoon still hasn't answered why he gets an itch because some people apparently like Amla solely because he's a pious Muslim. Why do you get depressed by who other people like and why do you have to pollute every single thread relating to South Africa with your issue?

 

[90MPH]

Not just World Cup, he has choked in CT and WT20s too.

Now they may be 'second grade' tourneys, but he didn't choke in them because he didn't take them seriously - nothing is second grade at any level when you represent your country.

He choked because so far he hasn't handled pressure well enough.

Valid criticism, no need of getting more defensive than the next South African ^1000.

He's still not a bigger choker than your favourite idol tendu.

 

[Mamoon]

Why is Amla compared with a mediocre performer like Moeen Ali ? I can't remember a single time Amla bought religion onto the cricket field.

The obsession started when Steyn tweeted a picture of him reading the Quran in the bus, and how he pays a fine to Castle Lager every month for not wearing their logo.

Pakistan's pop legend-now-Mullah Mr. Junaid Jamshed even lied about him on live TV. He said that Amla bhai told him that he scored his triple hundred at the Oval while fasting and he was going all gaga at the thought, only for Cricket South Africa to rubbish that claim few days later.

It has been 3 years, and no one has asked Mr. Junaid Jamshed why he lied.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon still hasn't answered why he gets an itch because some people apparently like Amla solely because he's a pious Muslim. Why do you get depressed by who other people like and why do you have to pollute every single thread relating to South Africa with your issue?

I disagree with the notion that you should like/dislike a person because of his/her religious beliefs, and the obsession people in Pakistan have with him is just annoying.

From you to Junaid Jamshed. Bleh.

 

[Ikball]

Not just World Cup, he has choked in CT and WT20s too.

Now they may be 'second grade' tourneys, but he didn't choke in them because he didn't take them seriously - nothing is second grade at any level when you represent your country.

He choked because so far he hasn't handled pressure well enough.

Valid criticism, no need of getting more defensive than the next South African ^1000.

Then James Andreson is a bigger choker than him, played more ICC tournaments and failed to win title for them. But you never spoke of him as Greatest ODI choker.

 

[vandokkum]

The obsession started when Steyn tweeted a picture of him reading the Quran in the bus, and how he pays a fine to Castle Lager every month for not wearing their logo.

Pakistan's pop legend-now-Mullah Mr. Junaid Jamshed even lied about him on live TV. He said that Amla bhai told him that he scored his triple hundred at the Oval while fasting and he was going all gaga at the thought, only for Cricket South Africa to rubbish that claim few days later.

It has been 3 years, and no one has asked Mr. Junaid Jamshed why he lied.

I can imagine Amla lost a few fans for not fasting due to such a petty reason.

 

[Mamoon]

He's still not a bigger choker than your favourite idol tendu.

Not my idol, but tell that to Shoaib Akhtar who refused to bowl to him in Centurion 2003.

But yes, he choked in 2 World Cup finals, which counts against him for sure. He'd have been the greatest ODI bat ever ahead of Viv Richards, had he done something substantial in either one of the Finals.

 

[Mamoon]

Then James Andreson is a bigger choker than him, played more ICC tournaments and failed to win title for them. But you never spoke of him as Greatest ODI choker.

Anderson is nothing special in ODIs.

I have no reason to say so, because no one calls him the best pacer in ODIs.

 

[Strike Rate]

He's still not a bigger choker than your favourite idol tendu.

Mamoon should rate Gilly, Mahela, Dilshan, de Silva and Punter higher than Tendu in ODI formats based on their WC performance because WC is the only thing that matters no quantity of thousands of runs in meaningless series right?

Sachin dont even have a century in WC Ko matches while punter and mahela got two

 

[Mamoon]

I can imagine Amla lost a few fans for not fasting due to such a petty reason.

Or maybe they'd think Cricket South Africa were lying.

 

[90MPH]

Junaid Jamshed is suddenly entering the discussion .

Bhai is hurting his haters so much they have to bring irevelant nonsense to the table so they can malign him in any possible way.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon should rate Gilly, Mahela, Dilshan, de Silva and Punter higher than Tendu in ODI formats based on their WC performance because WC is the only thing that matters no quantity of thousands of runs in meaningless series right?

Sachin dont even have a century in WC Ko matches while punter and mahela got two

There have been far more clutch players than Tendulkar in both Tests and ODIs.

For example, I'd have Steve Waugh over Tendulkar in a high pressure game, even though Tendulkar was a superior batsman.

 

[Strike Rate]

Then James Andreson is a bigger choker than him, played more ICC tournaments and failed to win title for them. But you never spoke of him as Greatest ODI choker.

don't you know Mamoon and his famous love affair with Sir Clouderson and Drama queen Swann?

 

[Bilal7]

Not just World Cup, he has choked in CT and WT20s too.

Now they may be 'second grade' tourneys, but he didn't choke in them because he didn't take them seriously - nothing is second grade at any level when you represent your country.

He choked because so far he hasn't handled pressure well enough.

Valid criticism, no need of getting more defensive than the next South African ^1000.

Show me facts and examples, not your opinions. He averaged 30+ at a SR of 130 at the last WC and got an absolute stunner from Ashwin in the semi-final.

Averaged 43 at a SR of nearly 90 in the only WC he has played and was extremely unlucky in the quarter-final.

He has a poor T20 WC a few years ago but that was solely down to poor form and him not yet adapting to the T20 format. None of your criticism is valid, which is the problem.

He's 28, has been playing FC for over a decade and still doesn't have a good googly and other variations. He is 3/4 years behind where he should have been at this stage.

That kid Shahzaib is already a better developed leg-spinner. Yasir is a stop gap option only.

Maqsood is cut from the same cloth as Umar. Can't trust these mercurial batsmen.

Rubbish. Warne, Qadir and Kumble all rate him highly and they know a lot more about cricket than you ever will. Yasir is learning and to call him rubbish based off a few matches is an absolute joke. Especially when he hasn't done badly at all.

Maqsood just needs to get his head right and he'll be a top quality batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Not irrelevant, a classic example of unwarranted obsession with Amla bhai and his beliefs.

 

[Strike Rate]

There have been far more clutch players than Tendulkar in both Tests and ODIs.

For example, I'd have Steve Waugh over Tendulkar in a high pressure game, even though Tendulkar was a superior batsman.

So Mahela,DIlshan,GIlly,Punter de Silva etc are all better ODI players than Sachin right? because WC Ko matches are the only one that matters instead of meaningless runs even if they are 18 or 17 thousand?

 

[vandokkum]

Or maybe they'd think Cricket South Africa were lying.

I looked it up on google to confirm your story about this Jamshed guy lying about Amla, there's another Pakistani forum where people are defending his lies and claiming the journalists are lying

 

[Strike Rate]

Junaid Jamshed is suddenly entering the discussion .

Bhai is hurting his haters so much they have to bring irevelant nonsense to the table so they can malign him in any possible way.

What more you can expect from someone jisko her cheaz main keere nikaalne ki adat ho?

 

[90MPH]

Not my idol, but tell that to Shoaib Akhtar who refused to bowl to him in Centurion 2003.

But yes, he choked in 2 World Cup finals, which counts against him for sure. He'd have been the greatest ODI bat ever ahead of Viv Richards, had he done something substantial in either one of the Finals.

He's choked many many times, not just in the WC final.

And far more often than you accuse Amla of.

 

[Bilal7]

I disagree with the notion that you should like/dislike a person because of his/her religious beliefs, and the obsession people in Pakistan have with him is just annoying.

From you to Junaid Jamshed. Bleh.

Not a valid reasoning. If you can't disagree with what people are doing without getting depressed then you are a sad soul.

I can imagine Amla lost a few fans for not fasting due to such a petty reason.

Suddenly you are an expert on what is considered a valid reason to not fast and what is?

 

[Gilly]

Dang Mamoon you get these hillbillies going.

 

[90MPH]

What more you can expect from someone jisko her cheaz main keere nikaalne ki adat ho?

That's why I love Amla bhai scoring these runs, just to see some posting so much rubbish about him. It's good comedy to laugh at them.

 

[Genghis]

What a beast he is at the moment

 

[Strike Rate]

That's why I love Amla bhai scoring these runs, just to see some posting so much rubbish about him. It's good comedy to laugh at them.

haha it will be fun if the players he hate performs in the WC eg yasir sohaib shehzad junaid amla abd

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION],

bhai boosted his average in the 2011 WC by scoring a ton vs Netherlands and a 50 vs Bangladesh. Producing nothing against good teams.

That 'jaffa' by Ashwin would have been carved through the covers thanks to that rubber wrists of his, if it wasn't a semifinal.

His performance against all the good attacks in the 2011 World Cup is the proof, as is the 2013 CT semifinal when he played a hack shot against Finn.

Kumble, Warne and Qadir are just excited to see a young leggie, but the novelty will wear off soon.

Warne rates Sohail Tanvir a lot, and since he knows about cricket a lot more than you, have you changed your views on him?

 

[Strike Rate]

#WeLoveAmlaBhai :keera :burn

not because of beard or religion but because he is a great batsmen in both formats of the game