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Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

Perhaps a sensitive thread because the guy has some serious devotees on this forum but regardless, the fact is that the guy is a bottler in ODIs.

He is widely regarded as the best batsman in the world and while that may hold true for tests, it is certainly not true in ODIs.

At the moment it would be far more fitting to deem him the best test batsman in the world although Clarke may have something to say about that.

To be the best you need more than just a highly impressive average on paper; you need to deliver in big matches and on big moments. Amla has done that in tests and his triple hundred in England in a high profile series determining the number one test team in the world is testament to that.

But in ODIs he has scored a lot of soft runs and has crumbled on big occasions.

It is universal fact that the ICC events such as the World Cup, Champions Trophy and World T20 are the most important and prestigious events in limited overs cricket.

Before this Champions Trophy, he had played in 3 ICC events.

The 2011 World Cup, the 2009 Champions Trophy and the 2012 World T20.

He isn't a T20 player and I doubt if he'd play again but it is fitting to include the World T20 here in context because it is an ICC event nonetheless and South Africa badly need some.

In the 2011 World Cup, he averaged 32 if you ignore the cakewalk against Netherlands and if you start counting in performances against associates and minnows then perhaps Mccullum is a legend of the game.

In the 2009 Champions Trophy, he averaged 20.

In the the 2012 World T20, he averaged 17.


Matter of fact, Amla has failed to stand up and deliver on big occasions in Limited overs cricket and once again today he has failed.

Scoring tons of runs in bilaterals will make you look good on paper but won't propel you to greatness.

Ricky Ponting in ODIs is not remembered for the tons of runs he scored in the VB series for example but for performances like the one in the 2003 World Cup final.

Amla needs to stand up and start delivering in matches that count most to cement himself as a true great in this format.

For the record, IMO, Dhoni is head and shoulders above everyone else and is easily the number one ODI batsman and a proper great in this format.
 
Maybe a bit too early to make this thread.

A man averaging 56 in ODI cricket cannot be labelled as a choker. At least more then one of those innings had to be under some pressure. Every game is a pressure game.

Today he looked in brilliant touch. Was stroking the ball well but just got an unlucky edge. I wouldn't call that down to choking, just was unlucky. Choking would be Misbah in Mohali or Younis in Mohali e.g. 10 off 35
 
I can't understand why he is marketed on here like he's some sort of prophet.

That is all.


He is a very religious Muslim. However I too fail to comprehend how that makes him a more admirable cricketer.
 
He is a very religious Muslim. However I too fail to comprehend how that makes him a more admirable cricketer.

I find him quite boring to watch, sort of in the Trott mould. That triple century in England was quite bland, for example.

But as long as he scores runs full stop, South African fans won't mind.
 
It is the just the ODIs. His innings at Peth where he brilliantly took the initiative and remorselessly killed off Australia's chances was one of the more gutsiest innings I have seen in the recent times.
 
Maybe a bit too early to make this thread.

A man averaging 56 in ODI cricket cannot be labelled as a choker. At least more then one of those innings had to be under some pressure. Every game is a pressure game.

Today he looked in brilliant touch. Was stroking the ball well but just got an unlucky edge. I wouldn't call that down to choking, just was unlucky. Choking would be Misbah in Mohali or Younis in Mohali e.g. 10 off 35

Every game at every level is a pressure game. But the pressure elevates to a completely different level in ICC events and like I mentioned, so far, he has shown incapability to deal with that pressure.

Funny how lady luck effects him in ICC events only.
 
It is the just the ODIs. His innings at Peth where he brilliantly took the initiative and remorselessly killed off Australia's chances was one of the more gutsiest innings I have seen in the recent times.

And perhaps I clearly mentioned that didn't I?
 
He is a very religious Muslim. However I too fail to comprehend how that makes him a more admirable cricketer.

Some people, to put it very crudely, are 'blinded by the beard'.

Amla is a great batsman of the current era, but there are other that fit into that category too. There is nothing really that justifies the fan support he gets on here, apart from the one obvious thing.
 
I find him quite boring to watch, sort of in the Trott mould. That triple century in England was quite bland, for example.

But as long as he scores runs full stop, South African fans won't mind.


To be fair I too find him incredibly lacking in charisma and personality and he is probably the only player in the game who can make a triple hundred look boring.

Clarke's triple hundred was much more exciting even though it was against trundlers.
 
I find him quite boring to watch, sort of in the Trott mould. That triple century in England was quite bland, for example.

But as long as he scores runs full stop, South African fans won't mind.

He averages 57 in ODIs with a SR of 91. Trott has a SR of 76. How's he in Trott's mold?
 
He averages 57 in ODIs with a SR of 91. Trott has a SR of 76. How's he in Trott's mold?

Tests, was what I was referring to. Hardly catch him in ODIs, and I don't think he's played too many either, in comparison to his contemporaries.
 
Some people, to put it very crudely, are 'blinded by the beard'.

Amla is a great batsman of the current era, but there are other that fit into that category too. There is nothing really that justifies the fan support he gets on here, apart from the one obvious thing.

Yeah. Not sure how that is relevant to cricket.

And since I don't know him personally, I cant judge what type of a person he is.

I have seen many religious people who are not good at all morally when it comes to interacting with people.
 
Clarke's triple hundred was much more exciting even though it was against trundlers.

Clarke has the best cover drives, square cuts and pulls in the game today. Alongside McCullum, but the latter lacks a brain.

But let's face it. The best triple hundreds have been off the bat of Gayle and Sehwag. And they scored them against good bowling attacks too.
 
He averages 57 in ODIs with a SR of 91. Trott has a SR of 76. How's he in Trott's mold?


First of all, don't question another person's preference(s).

What may be exciting to you might be boring to another.

Amla looks great on paper but I don't like him as a cricketer and find him boring is because I don't like the way he bats and I find his batting stance for instance much uglier than some tail-enders.
 
Clarke has the best cover drives, square cuts and pulls in the game today. Alongside McCullum, but the latter lacks a brain.

But let's face it. The best triple hundreds have been off the bat of Gayle and Sehwag. And they scored them against good bowling attacks too.

Yeah but I mentioned Clarke because it is the freshest in memory.
 
I find him quite boring to watch, sort of in the Trott mould. That triple century in England was quite bland, for example.

I'm struggling to conceive how a triple-ton could be bland! I think he's quite good to watch, for people who don't expect a six every other over.
 
First of all, don't question another person's preference(s).

What may be exciting to you might be boring to another.

Amla looks great on paper but I don't like him as a cricketer and find him boring is because I don't like the way he bats and I find his batting stance for instance much uglier than some tail-enders.

If the other person doesn't want his "preference" to be questioned then he shouldn't post in Public Forum?

Trott hardly plays his shots on the other hand Amla is always playing his shots.
 
Well the ability to "choke" is not limited to formats. I wouldn't want to be opening threads calling someone like Amla a choker.

He is a bottler in ODIs but not tests.

What is wrong with my assessment?
 
If the other person doesn't want his "preference" to be questioned then he shouldn't post in Public Forum?

Trott hardly plays his shots on the other hand Amla is always playing his shots.


You cannot question another persons liking; you can question his opinion and that is what these forums and message boards are about.

There is a stark difference between your likes/dislikes and opinions.

The latter is questionable but not the former.
 
I'm struggling to conceive how a triple-ton could be bland! I think he's quite good to watch, for people who don't expect a six every other over.

Hard to explain I admit but I will make an attempt.


His triple hundred was very mechanical and his shots were repetitive.
 
I'm struggling to conceive how a triple-ton could be bland! I think he's quite good to watch, for people who don't expect a six every other over.

It was one-dimensional. England had given up on the field after a little while too, so that added to the monotonous nature of that innings. And I think the attack was Bresnan-Anderson-Broad, right-arm medium fast over after over gets equally monotonous after a while.
 
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If you are going to judge the "attractiveness" of a player with stats and then perhaps the likes of Yousaf and Inzamam are more boring and dull than Trott?

because he has a better SR and average in ODIs than both of them and I am pretty sure you don't consider them boring.
 
You cannot question another persons liking; you can question his opinion and that is what these forums and message boards are about.

There is a stark difference between your likes/dislikes and opinions.

The latter is questionable but not the former.

Likes/dislikes are based on some rational judgement/observation/behaviors. And you can definitely question someone regarding that. Everything is not black and white like you're saying. You think if someone says I don't like Tendulkar as batsman? He shouldn't be questioned why? That's absurd?
 
Likes/dislikes are based on some rational judgement/observation/behaviors. And you can definitely question someone regarding that. Everything is not black and white like you're saying. You think if someone says I don't like Tendulkar as batsman? He shouldn't be questioned why? That's absurd?

No he shouldn't be and there could be a lot of reasons.

He may not like his stance, his batting style, the selection of his shots etc.

He would still acknowledge that he is a great player and if he doesn't then perhaps he is a blind hater.

I am positive Varun acknowledges that Amla is a very good batsman but he just doesn't like him. How can you question him on that?
 
I find him quite boring to watch, sort of in the Trott mould. That triple century in England was quite bland, for example.

But as long as he scores runs full stop, South African fans won't mind.

That is a matter of opinion, most here find Indian team boring due to their defensive mindset.
 
Hashim Amla - The classic SA choker.

First of all, don't question another person's preference(s).

What may be exciting to you might be boring to another.

...and what may be boring to you, might be exciting to another :)

Overall, a harsh thread.
 
Interesting observation this, perhaps yes, Hashim doesn't play that well in pressure situations in ODI's, unlike ABD or Dhoni who seem to excel in these kind of situations, He is magnificient palayer is Hashim, my favorite at the moment, but yes I agree that he needs to perform at big stages like the WC or CT... I'd give Hashim some more time though, the man was initially considered not so good at testlevel, he proved everyone wrong, then he was not considered to be an LOI player, he again proved everyone wrong, now he needs to perform at big stages in ODI's to prove us wrong again and I wouldn't bet against it.
 
That is a matter of opinion, most here find Indian team boring due to their defensive mindset.

Hmm, interesting perception.

Why do you find a team boring that scores loads of runs in every game? not questioning your opinion and neither can I but just want to know your reasons for thinking that they are boring.
 
So Mamoon Ghaffar, Saffer Basher (Coloured Players only, won't bash Miller but will bash Duminy) and White English player lover. Hmm...
 
Interesting observation this, perhaps yes, Hashim doesn't play that well in pressure situations in ODI's, unlike ABD or Dhoni who seem to excel in these kind of situations, He is magnificient palayer is Hashim, my favorite at the moment, but yes I agree that he needs to perform at big stages like the WC or CT... I'd give Hashim some more time though, the man was initially considered not so good at testlevel, he proved everyone wrong, then he was not considered to be an LOI player, he again proved everyone wrong, now he needs to perform at big stages in ODI's to prove us wrong again and I wouldn't bet against it.


The 2011 World Cup was a massive disappoint for me because he was at the top of his game at that point.

It is very likely he won't play T20s again and he would be 32 at the time of the next World Cup which perhaps will be his last shot at an ICC event.

He of course has this Champions Trophy as well.
 
So Mamoon Ghaffar, Saffer Basher (Coloured Players only, won't bash Miller but will bash Duminy) and White English player lover. Hmm...


Half fulfilled opinion.

I don't rate Miller and I think he's a hack.
 
Admitedly Amla doesn't take the game by the scruff of the neck in ODI's, however he goes out at the top of the innings in a swashbuckling style and punishes anything short & or wide.

IMO, anyone who calls him boring is judging him more on his inability to sell ceiling fans or the latest phone than his ability to play with the bat. He's a breath of fresh in the modern game, a solid middle order test batsman who's willing to do a job for his team at the top of the innings by getting them off to a flyer, knowing the juggernaut of a middle order they have.
 
There goes that hypothesis. Still doesn't explain all the Saffer hate
The search continues

Hate is a very strong word.

I ridicule them for their failure after failure in ICC events and I find it amusing.
 
Hmm, interesting perception.

Why do you find a team boring that scores loads of runs in every game? not questioning your opinion and neither can I but just want to know your reasons for thinking that they are boring.

Hard to explain I admit but I will make an attempt.


They only score loads of runs against rubbish attacks and on flat tracks. Plus none of their players have any flare about them. All very monotonous.
 
It was one-dimensional. England had given up on the field after a little while too, so that added to the monotonous nature of that innings. And I think the attack was Bresnan-Anderson-Broad, right-arm medium fast over after over gets equally monotonous after a while.


All three of them were down on pace in that series, tired after six months of solid cricket. Bres and Swann were carrying injuries. The SA batters exploited this ruthlessly and were able to negate Swann. The 300in particular represents an incredible ability to remain in The Zone.
 
Dhoni has a poor record in icc tournaments as well don't think anyone would call him a choker though.
 
Dhoni has a poor record in icc tournaments as well don't think anyone would call him a choker though.


His majestic performance in the 2011 World Cup final makes up for all the failures in his life.
 
Mr Mamoon Ghaffar you are playing the beard and race card as a reason for his devotees WAYY too much.. People like Amla because his drives, cut and flicks are marvelous to watch. What is not to like about a man who came back reworked his technique and scores runs. As to comments about a monotonous bowling attack (moving away from the ODI choker tag) that triple hundred was against at the time the number 1 bowling attack in home conditions so if that is monotonous well shame on the rest of cricket.

S.A. still have 2 games left and Amla may score i dont think he will simply because i do not fancy S.A. in this tournament not because of choking but their big runs are out. (Jacque and Kallis).

Finally your comparison of his tournaments stats are slightly misleading the World T20 average of 17, Amla is not a T20 player he has not played a t20 game for S.A, since 2 Oct 2012.. The last T20 S.A played was 3rd March 2013 ( i think ). Although he played in the W20 2012 he is not in their immediate plans long term. The other two you are correct but to label him a choker hardly man, its a bit too earlier for that comment ..
 
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Mr Mamoon Ghaffar you are playing the beard and race card as a reason for his devotees WAYY too much.. People like Amla because his drives, cut and flicks are marvelous to watch. What is not to like about a man who came back reworked his technique and scores runs. As to comments about a monotonous bowling attack (moving away from the ODI choker tag) that triple hundred was against at the time the number 1 bowling attack in home conditions so if that is monotonous well shame on the rest of cricket.

S.A. still have 2 games left and Amla may score i dont think he will simply because i do not fancy S.A. in this tournament not because of choking but their big runs are out. (Jacque and Kallis).

Finally your comparison of his tournaments stats are slightly misleading the World T20 average of 17, Amla is not a T20 player he has not played a t20 game for S.A, since 2 Oct 2012.. The last T20 S.A played was 3rd March 2013 ( i think ). Although he played in the W20 2012 he is not in their immediate plans long term. The other two you are correct but to label him a choker hardly man, its a bit too earlier for that comment ..


You are new here, there is a huge amount of bias for Amla on this forum because of his beard and all that.

Secondly, in context it isn't invalid. First of all, if he isn't a T20 player, why was he picked?

And when he was picked, he failed to deliver. An average of 17 is horrible for an opener and the quality batsman that he is, he should have fared much better.
 
Silly thread this. I'd take brother Amla in our team in a heart beat !!!
 
So Mamooon...... you are contradicting yourself big time.... :)


In following post .... you are willing have all the hope and praise for Pakistani team.... even though our team (recent stats/performances) does not look good on the paper.... but since we happened to win 2009 T20 WC against all odds, you are a firm believer.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5817440&postcount=39


In the OP .... you are discrediting all the previous non-ICC tournament perofrmance by Hashim.... and writing him off. Why?

You don't consider Pakistan's recent horrible performances by Pak batsmen and yet give them a chance ... but destroy Hashim Amla (arguably the best batsman in this era).... just because he has not performed in a few ICC-Tournament matches?

Double standards ...or argument for the sake of argument? :P


.O.. and by the way ..speaking of ME looking at everything from statistical standpoint...
W63L35

You look at everything from a statistical POV. Statistically how much of a chance did we have in the 2009 World T20? With players like Butt, Younis, Misbah, Malik, rookie Amir Shahzeb, inexperienced Ajmal and a volatile Afridi? Yet we still won.
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How did you look into Hashim ..... statistically or non-statistically? :P

In the 2011 World Cup, he averaged 32 if you ignore the cakewalk against Netherlands and if you start counting in performances against associates and minnows then perhaps Mccullum is a legend of the game.

In the 2009 Champions Trophy, he averaged 20.

In the the 2012 World T20, he averaged 17.

Matter of fact, Amla has failed to stand up and deliver on big occasions in Limited overs cricket and once again today he has failed.
 
So Mamooon...... you are contradicting yourself big time.... :)


In following post .... you are willing have all the hope and praise for Pakistani team.... even though our team (recent stats/performances) does not look good on the paper.... but since we happened to win 2009 T20 WC against all odds, you are a firm believer.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5817440&postcount=39


In the OP .... you are discrediting all the previous non-ICC tournament perofrmance by Hashim.... and writing him off. Why?

You don't consider Pakistan's recent horrible performances by Pak batsmen and yet give them a chance ... but destroy Hashim Amla (arguably the best batsman in this era).... just because he has not performed in a few ICC-Tournament matches?

Double standards ...or argument for the sake of argument? :P


.O.. and by the way ..speaking of ME looking at everything from statistical standpoint...



How did you look into Hashim ..... statistically or non-statistically? :P



Haha, two different things and let me explain why.

You are completely writing off the chances of our team because our players don't look good statistically. IMO that isn't wrong but harsh because we are more than capable of beating any team in the tournament on our day. With a bit of luck we can do it.

Amla is a great player and I have clearly mentioned so. But to become a true great, he has to deliver on big occasions and that is something he has failed to deliver so far in his ODI career.

It will be comparable to what I said earlier if I assume that Amla will never do well in the ICC tournaments in the future. That maybe stupid because overall he is a tremendous ODI player. But so far he hasn't lived up to his reputation in these tournaments.

You are completely downplaying Pakistan's future performances based on statistics.

I am not downplaying Amla's chances for the future; I'm only reflecting on his lack of performances so far in his career and why he can't YET be considered a great in ODIs.

Use stats to reflect on the past but not to judge the future.
 
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I can't understand why he is marketed on here like he's some sort of prophet.

That is all.

He's a very good batsman, one of the best in the world and certainly one of the easiest on the eyes but around here specifically, he wins a lot of brownie points for being a very devout Muslim who refuses to advertise alcohol which leads to a lot of overzealous fans, who otherwise would rate him no higher than Clarke, an equally good batsman, or DeVilliers, a superior batsman, declaring him the best thing since sliced bread. Just go through past threads going back to 2006-2006 to see just how often his religious beliefs are brought up.
 
The saffa batsman taking a hammering on the forum today lol

In relation to the OP I don't agree. He performed pretty well at the 2011 WC and the way he got out in the QF was unfortunate.
 
Hes more of an accumulator who cashes on easy runs batting first and the field restrictions ..I don remember who but was debating with some one why hes nowhere close to the best Odi bat in the world ..this is why . One dimensional and cannot win matches on his own.
 
The saffa batsman taking a hammering on the forum today lol

In relation to the OP I don't agree. He performed pretty well at the 2011 WC and the way he got out in the QF was unfortunate.


That was unfortunate, someone else said he was unfortunate today against India as well. I wonder why lady luck damns him in ICC tournaments only.
 
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Actually Amla did'nt choke, ABDV, miller, Faf and Duminy choked when S.A. was in decent position :(
 
So let me get this straight Amla averaged 40+ at a strike rate of 80+ in the world cup and he is a choker? Dhoni having played minnows himself was average until his 90 odd in the final.
Amla scored more runs in less games, 1 hundred and 2 50 in 7 games. Dhoni 1 50 in 9 games. What can you ever do with morons.
Cricket is a team sport you need the whole team to step up. Amla is no Bradman as good as he is, people seem to forget that
 
He is very good batsman.But then again he is in that age when batsman peak and he has peaked for sure.

Choker?ummm,not many Saffie batsmen do well in pressure situation.

But i do agree with the OP,Amla gets brownie points for his religious beliefs.
 
So let me get this straight Amla averaged 40+ at a strike rate of 80+ in the world cup and he is a choker? Dhoni having played minnows himself was average until his 90 odd in the final.
Amla scored more runs in less games, 1 hundred and 2 50 in 7 games. Dhoni 1 50 in 9 games. What can you ever do with morons.
Cricket is a team sport you need the whole team to step up. Amla is no Bradman as good as he is, people seem to forget that


Amla averages 32 minus the Netherlands game. I've stated it clearly. Read my post again

You are calling me a moron but you can't read and comprehend yourself. How ironic.

Anyhow, performances against associates don't count.
 
OP is a known troll/attention seeker judging by his previous posts/threads :ajmal

move on, nothing to see here

there is a reason AMLA is ranked so highly....and no lowlifers can challenger those stats..
those cover-drives
that Majestic Beard
 
So let me get this straight Amla averaged 40+ at a strike rate of 80+ in the world cup and he is a choker? Dhoni having played minnows himself was average until his 90 odd in the final.
Amla scored more runs in less games, 1 hundred and 2 50 in 7 games. Dhoni 1 50 in 9 games. What can you ever do with morons.
Cricket is a team sport you need the whole team to step up. Amla is no Bradman as good as he is, people seem to forget that

You missed out the OPs reference to MINNOWS.

91/match winning/MOM performance in WC final.Thats the stuff of legends sir.
 
Re: Hashim Amla - The classic SA choker.

OP is a known troll/attention seeker judging by his previous posts/threads :ajmal

move on, nothing to see here

there is a reason AMLA is ranked so highly....and no lowlifers can challenger those stats..
those cover-drives
that Majestic Beard

Pardon me but you sound disturbingly turned on ! :asadrauf
 
His majestic performance in the 2011 World Cup final makes up for all the failures in his life.

IMO dhoni still needs to do more in icc tournaments too. I do agree that batting performances in world cups and champions trophies matter a lot more than ODI series. Averaging 20 runs less in big tournaments shows that the player might not be that good in more intense matches.
 
OP is a known troll/attention seeker judging by his previous posts/threads :ajmal

move on, nothing to see here

there is a reason AMLA is ranked so highly....and no lowlifers can challenger those stats..
those cover-drives
that Majestic Beard


Look at this OTT reaction. You are a true victim of what I was talking about before :amla
 
Yeah. Not sure how that is relevant to cricket.

And since I don't know him personally, I cant judge what type of a person he is.

I have seen many religious people who are not good at all morally when it comes to interacting with people.

In defense of Amla, I have to say that he is respected and liked by non-religious fans as well. Yaah, he does gets extra attention at PP due to being a Muslim but it's not as if Amla is not liked by non-religious guys.

Also, SA usually doesn't do that well in ICC tournaments so you can't only single out Amla for not winning the games for SA. Sure, I don't really rate him that high in ODI because there are other batsmen who can help their team to chase well. Amla is not one of them.

But he is a very good bat. He does score runs but I admit that he doesn't really bring his A game in pressure games in ODI that much but then whole SA team has that issue. Nonetheless, a very good batsman in both formats. Based on what I have read, He does carry himself with lot of dignity and that earns him respect. True, he gets lot of extra brownie points at PP for being a Muslim but that's an another story.
 
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LethalSami

You got personal with me over a man that doesn't know you exist and neither will ever.

I envy you sir :dav
 
In defense of Amla, I have to say that he is respected and liked by non-religious fans as well. Yaah, he does gets extra attention at PP due to being a Muslim but it's not as if Amla is not liked by non-religious guys.

Also, SA usually doesn't do that well in ICC tournaments so you can't only single out Amla for not winning the games for SA. Sure, I don't really rate him that high in ODI because there are other batsmen who can help their team to chase well. Amla is not one of them.

But he is a very good bat. He does score runs but I admit that he doesn't really bring his A game in pressure games in ODI that much but then whole SA team has that issue. Nonetheless, a very good batsman in both formats. Based on what I have read, He does carry himself with lot of dignity and that earns him respect. True, he gets lot of extra brownie points at PP for being a Muslim but that's an another story.

Good response :)
 
PP is a bite biased towards AB devilliers too but since he is not a Muslim with beard no one brings that up. I think Amla is a wonderful batsman and I would have said the same even if he was a Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc.
 
OP is a known troll/attention seeker judging by his previous posts/threads :ajmal

move on, nothing to see here

there is a reason AMLA is ranked so highly....and no lowlifers can challenger those stats..
those cover-drives
that Majestic Beard

LOL, I think one of the point of OP was regarding this. His this Majestic Beard earns him lot of brownie points and elevates him to a whole different level at PP. Same beard won't get extra brownie points for a non-practicing Muslim player.

Also, OP is not really a troll. In my opinion, simply a poster who think and holds an individual opinion about players , no matter if they are playing for Pakistan or some other teams. Some time his independent opinions ruffles lot of feather which goes against the majority at PP but hardly a troll. I don't agree with all his views but full fledged trolls are bit different. We have several of them at PP.
 
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LethalSami

You got personal with me over a man that doesn't know you exist and neither will ever.

I envy you sir :dav

i held similar views about you even before this thread :asif

(Not)NEWSFLASH: not even a single int'l cricketer know you exist and neither will ever.
 
Another one of Mamoon's threads that are created with more emotion than logic.
 
PP is a bite biased towards AB devilliers too but since he is not a Muslim with beard no one brings that up. I think Amla is a wonderful batsman and I would have said the same even if he was a Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc.


It is too sensitive and insecure when it comes to Amla.

Completely intolerant of others' views.

BTW you didn't reply to my earlier post.

Anyhow forget it now.
 
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