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Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

Yea! Leave the poor man alone.
You critics will shut up when he scores a 100 against pakistan
 
People are grasping at straws here. What does charisma have to do with anything? Thats stupid, some of the best players in history had no charisma they just oozed class. Kallis, Gavaskar, Dravid, S. Waugh, Zidane (forget the headbutt), Messi, Roger Federer, A. Aggasi to name a few.
Only an idiot will forget these names, charisma is overrated.
 
lol@ Mullah Brigade for getting goosebumps over Amla.

Great thread OP. But lets give Amla another chance against Pakistan. A pressure match where SA has to win and nothing short of a century should be expected from him in such an important game.

If he fails there as well and SA team exits then it will be safe to call Amla a certified choker.
 
so let me get this straight alot of people watching a game translates to more pressure. We are slowly but surely tinkering our statements here.
Buffet said:
I don't think there is no pressure outside WC. All teams want to win all games so there is always pressure but "context matters". WC is followed by lot more fans and that makes it relatively high pressure games. To put it in scale,

  • Chasing 250 in WC is lot tougher than chasing 250 in bilateral series. If you miss, then you can always win other bilateral series.
  • Chasing 400 in WC is lot tougher than chasing 400 in bilateral series. If you miss then you wait for 4 years.
This is speculative as we dont know the conditions or the context of the game. Are you telling me chasing 250 on a ROAD in a world cup for example is harder than on a ground that historicaly has low totals (outside the world cup).
By the same logic the will be another world cup in 4 years if you miss out then another.
By the way India tied with England 320 odd in the last world cup and i dont consider that game anywhere near the 438 game or the pressure of chasing that score even though it was outside the WC.
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It's relative.

It's very simple. When you have 8-10 team playing in same match conditions then coming out as winner is rated manifold higher than winning bilateral series.
Have you heard any player saying that his dream is to win some XYZ ODI bilateral series?
and when did i say a player would rank winning a bilateral series? I was dispelling the myth that there is no pressure outside the world cup, which is a stupid logic. Pressure is pressure, i dont buy that crap playing for your country is always a pressure situation.
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But many players have stated that they dream of winning WC for their team. Also, being a very good/close match helps to create pressure but it's not the only thing. Some WC knockout matches were not close/interesting but every single match is very high pressure game They may turnout to be one sided but pressure factor is always present.

It's difficult to quantify the pressure to compare one odd case of classic , where 400+ was chased, with WC games but there is hardly any doubt that on average WC games carry lot more pressure than bilateral series.

If only chasing in WC matters then I will rate Amla way down in pecking order in ODI but that's not the case. I still rate him as one of the top ODI bat. But performance at bigger stage do carry lot more weight. It's relative not a binary situation.
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sorry mate but you were all over the place making excuses. A world cup is relatively a small part of a players career albeit being important. Its played once every 4 years, and its a lottery as you need a bit of luck and there can only be 1 winner at a time. It is fans who tend to put extra emphasise on them, i dont believe in "added pressure" every tight game will test your resolve you either win it or lose, world cup or no world cup.
 
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There is no doubt that Amla being a devout Muslims plays a major part on the fan following Pakistanis have for him on the same note the reason why Amla is being singled out and hate on by fans like the op is also because of his religious believes. I personally believe that Amla is one of the best stroke makers (not a six hitter) in the game, also I don't understand why some non muslims have a issue with the apperciation Amla recieves because of his faith?
 
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BlackThunder said:
There is no doubt that Amla being a devout Muslims plays a major part on the fan following Pakistanis have for him on the same note the reason why Amla is being singled out and hate on by fans like the op is also because of his religious believes. I personally believe that Amla is one of the best stroke makers (not a six hitter) in the game, also I don't understand why non muslims have a issue with the apperciation Amla recieves because of his faith?
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I'm not a muslim and I can appreciate him for the player he is the guy is all class.
 
King Cobra said:
lol@ Mullah Brigade for getting goosebumps over Amla.

Great thread OP. But lets give Amla another chance against Pakistan. A pressure match where SA has to win and nothing short of a century should be expected from him in such an important game.

If he fails there as well and SA team exits then it will be safe to call Amla a certified choker.
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Oh now fans of Amla are mullah....

Didnt take long to see where the hate was coming from. You have issues dude.
 
Scrolln said:
Mamoon, i've seen you create a similar thread on Ajmal when you were forced to eat a humble pie later :msd

A player has got to deliver in ICC events to be remembered as a true great of the ODI game, absolutely no doubt about that.

Amla has a couple of more games in CT and then the 2015 WC to prove his detractors wrong.

Now, what if Amla hits a match changing century against Pakistan? :amin

Would be interesting to see the reaction on PP then :wasim
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What humble pie? he needed a sub continent pitch to come to life in South Africa.

He is pretty hopeless on wickets that don't aid spin and that has always been my stance hence the terrible record in Australia and NZ.

But he is very good at what he does and as soon as he gets a little bit of help from the wicket he is unplayable.
 
If he does score in the remaining games then good on him. Perhaps the title is a bit misleading; if you care to read the whole first post you'll realize where I am going.

Maybe I should summarize it.

IMO, Amla is not YET a great ODI player and neither is he the best ODI batsman in the world. On paper yes but in reality no because he hasn't delivered in big matches and big occasions.


If he does so, he will be considered one but if he doesn't he won't be. That is the essence of my post.

He isn't exactly an ODI choker YET, but he is well on his way and needs to get his act together soon.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
If he does score in the remaining games then good on him. Perhaps the title is a bit misleading; if you care to read the whole first post you'll realize where I am going.

Maybe I should summarize it.

IMO, Amla is not YET a great ODI player and neither is he the best ODI batsman in the world. On paper yes but in reality no because he hasn't delivered in big matches and big occasions.


If he does so, he will be considered one but if he doesn't he won't be. That is the essence of my post.

He isn't exactly an ODI choker YET, but he is well on his way and needs to get his act together soon.
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lol, Amla has been ranked number one for 2-3 years now your opinion means squat. Players are always measured on paper (through consistency, match winning performances, and all the necessary calculations) and get their well deserved rankings.
A guy sitting behind a computer is irrelevant.

And Amla cant be great he has not even played a 100 matches (and they wont be enough either for me). I dont know where this obsession comes from, the word is overused.
 
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LethalSami said:
Sachin was one of the best in 90's

yet Team India sucked so badly in 90's, they were even worse than ZIM

lesson: Cricket is a team game
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IMO sachin to some extent a good match winner from time to time...its the like's of bevan's and Dhoni's who would rise to the occasion..and do the impossible...:msd
 
If I am not wrong Amla has more centuries in the last 3 years than all the Pakistani batsman combined.
 
Hashim Amla - The classic SA choker.

Executioner said:
If I am not wrong Amla has more centuries in the last 3 years than all the Pakistani batsman combined.
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He's the king in bilaterals where only the two nations involved watch but he bottles when the eyes of the world are on him.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
He's the king in bilaterals where only the two nations involved watch but he bottles when the eyes of the world are on him.
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Lets reserve our judgement till 2015 WC shall we?

If he fails there too, we could call him a certified choker. He has just played one ODI WC.

To be fair to Amla, Virat Kohli too averages just 22 in ODI WC if you exclude minnows.

However, i feel we shouldn't exclude minnows from WC stats. How many times have we
seen minnows knock out Test playing teams from the WC? There can be nothing more embarrasing than that, so performing against minnows during WC's is extremely important.
 
Scrolln said:
Lets reserve our judgement till 2015 WC shall we?

If he fails there too, we could call him a certified choker. He has just played one ODI WC.

To be fair to Amla, Virat Kohli too averages just 22 in ODI WC if you exclude minnows.

However, i feel we shouldn't exclude minnows from WC stats. How many times have we
seen minnows knock out Test playing teams from the WC? There can be nothing more embarrasing than that, so performing against minnows during WC's is extremely important.
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Kohli is a 23 year old young cricketer who is yet to reach his peak and fulfil his potential. and the things he has done already at this age are remarkable to say the least.

Amla is at the peak of his powers has been for a good 3 years and if he won't deliver now, when will he?

Secondly, I have written off Amla; I'm merely highlighting what he has done so far. Perhaps the title is a bit misleading.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
He's the king in bilaterals where only the two nations involved watch but he bottles when the eyes of the world are on him.
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He hasnt played too many ICC events to say that he is a genuine choker.

Just because he doesnt really shine too much during WC doesnt make him any less than a world class player.
 
vulnerable early on to LBW's, any ball bowled on the pads and he tries to flick it on the leg side and misses it more often than not, resulting in LBW. hence my opinion that Junaid will get him early on Monday.
 
Executioner said:
He hasnt played too many ICC events to say that he is a genuine choker.

Just because he doesnt really shine too much during WC doesnt make him any less than a world class player.
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There is a difference between a world class player, best in the world and a great.

At the moment he is a world class player.

BTW, this is his fourth ICC event.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
There is a difference between a world class player, best in the world and a great.

At the moment he is a world class player.

BTW, this is his fourth ICC event.
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Well to experts he's the best or one of the best, but nah we'll take some internet warriors word :asif
 
Kiwi said:
Well to experts he's the best or one of the best, but nah we'll take some internet warriors word :asif
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Mamoon is a cricket expert of a parallel universe.

We must listen to him carefully to know what really happens in the universe he lives in
 
Executioner said:
Mamoon is a cricket expert of a parallel universe.

We must listen to him carefully to know what really happens in the universe he lives in
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Steyn doesn't have the skills to bowl in ODIs too :asif
Another M_G classic
 
Kiwi said:
Well to experts he's the best or one of the best, but nah we'll take some internet warriors word :asif
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As usual you are just being selective. That is so typical of you.

When did I say he isn't a world class player and not one of the best players in the world ? did you even care to read my opening post?

if you do you'll get your answer.
 
Buffet said:
Ah no. Amla has scored so many runs at very good clip. You can't call such player non-efficient.

He has not done so well in big pressure games but then he has played around only 70 ODI. Even SRT was less efficient and reliable than Amla in his first 70 odd games. Give Amla a break and see how he does with more number of matches. He has done a very good job so far but you are expecting him to win matches on his own in pressure games and that is bit difficult given how SA plays in ODI whenever there is some pressure.

Despite his high average, I won't put him as top 3 bat in ODI right now but he is taking some unfair flock in this thread. Just because he is not the top 3 bat, it doesn't mean he is not efficient. Everyone can't have all the qualities but Amla has enough cricketing qualities. He doesn't lack efficiency in scoring runs.
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but SRT was not an opener in his first 50 odi or so.not saying that would have helped him to have better figures than Amla in his first 70 odis, but definitely that had affected his career in his first 70 odis.now coming to the topic Amla is a very good one day bat, but he needs to perform a little better under pressure to be among all time one day greats
 
Feroz Rawther said:
but SRT was not an opener in his first 50 odi or so.not saying that would have helped him to have better figures than Amla in his first 70 odis, but definitely that had affected his career in his first 70 odis.now coming to the topic Amla is a very good one day bat, but he needs to perform a little better under pressure to be among all time one day greats
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I wasn't calling Amla ATG in ODI at all. Far from it. I was simply pointing out that he has played only 70 odd matches in career and few mathces in ICC tournaments. Let him play more matches before people declare him failure in ICC tournaments.

soso_killer said:
A world cup is relatively a small part of a players career albeit being important. Its played once every 4 years, and its a lottery as you need a bit of luck and there can only be 1 winner at a time.
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Relatively small part of career but many times more important than bilateral series and that adds to the pressure. It's a lottery if player only player handful of games but if you play significant number of games and fail to perform then this lottery argument has no merit.

Example: Inzzi played 35 WC matches and failed collectively in those 35 matches. That's not a lottery even if 35 matches are relatively small part of his career. Amla has not played lot of matches in WC/ICC tournament so far. If he plays 20-25 matches and fails then he is not a player for WC like tournamants. That's why said, let's wait till Amla plays more matches.
 
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ashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

Varun said:
Who's ashim Amla? :)
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I request a title change and the moderator missed the H.

The reason I requested was because I felt the previous title wasn't in sync with the OP.

I haven't labeled him a choker yet but hr needs to pick up his game soon.
 
Looks set for a big one today.

Umar Amin's drop might just cost Pakistan the game.
 
Reverselap said:
Choker now, MG? :)

Crunch game, and he's delivered.

OP Pwned!
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Pwned?

When did I write him off? read my OP again. I merely highlighted what he has done so far. I didn't make any predictions for the future. Well if I did highlight that part for me.

BTW, it has been a pretty ordinary innings by his usual standards.

Dropped catch, dodgy running, chased wide deliveries and countless inside edges.

The only bowler he has looked comfortable against has been Ajmal and I don't need to remind you what I think of him.
 
game is still on...cant say who is winnin....but this loser wanted runs in big matches out of amla....so here shove this up urs kid....mamoon ab ja mods ke pair pakad ke aur ek baar title change karwa.....from choker to potential choker....and now "HE IS NOT A CHOKER...IAM A DISFUNCTIONAL KID"
 
bill_123 said:
game is still on...cant say who is winnin....but this loser wanted runs in big matches out of amla....so here shove this up urs kid....mamoon ab ja mods ke pair pakad ke aur ek baar title change karwa.....from choker to potential choker....and now "HE IS NOT A CHOKER...IAM A DISFUNCTIONAL KID"
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:))

Just cracked me up!
 
This poster needs to bury his keyboard in his back garden and promise never to post anything ever again!
 
sigh, I have to watch this game on Cricinfo on my cellphone. Leaving work soon. Nice. Then I can start giving an earful. :)
 
Hashim Amla played one of thos innings that will might end the dreams of millions of Pakistani.

MG trolled :P
 
If Saffers win (God forbid), AMLA get MOTM.

then OP shall get more stick.....big stick.....huge stick.... ...
 
James said:
Looks like 83 in these conditions was an outstanding score.

Congratulations to Amla.
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Nothing wrong with the conditions. Only terrible running stood between a 270-280 and what South Africa got.

Batting conditions shouldn't be judged on Pakistan's batting.

He had a simple catch dropped and he was pretty scratchy throughout the innings. Not his usual self.
 
Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

Thanks for jinxing your own team Gaffar :)))

The choker top scored in a do or die game.
 
Amla is really boring isn't he? only scored at about 80 per hundred balls without even looking too good at that. A chocker indeed
 
OPs modus operadi: make attention seeking thread usually based on a false and illogical premise, argue relentlessly defending said premise, get proven wrong numerous times and eventually get pwned by the sport itself. Thanks for the laughs OP.
 
Usually when M_G says something its safe to assume the opposite is correct.
 
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Timely bump is timely.

Scored 1 today at the semi finals, will SA play another game?

127 runs in four innings at an average of 31.75 so far.

:amla
 
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looooool Amla THE GREAT got choked.... He may mke tons after tons in some meaningless matches but i'l never rate him great, not even decent. He is what he is.... a choker.
 
He's not actually in the best of form, so hardly a choke... I don't think you guys know what choke actually means, SA weren't favorites for this trophy...
 
He's one of their best ODI batters, so a big early scalp for us.
 
^ Our pathetic trundlers can easily tame him.... best ODI batter? lol.
 
He's not actually in the best of form, so hardly a choke... I don't think you guys know what choke actually means, SA weren't favorites for this trophy...
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who is saying about RSA here.... all people here think of amla as THE GREAT. If he fails when matters, it is indeed a choke.
 
No problemo, there are some JAMODIs in Lanka coming up, he can fill up his tank of runs there.
 
Indeed a choker that cant buy any runs in matches that count , especially in knock out matches. All his millions of runs in bilateral series are worthless if he cant make it count when it matters the most.
 
Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

And it continues.

So Amla bids adieu to the Champions Trophy with a paltry average of 32 and once again fails to deliver in an ICC event and provide his usual solidity which SA needed at the top.

Hilarious how some people got their tails up on basis of one innings against Pakistan and took shots at me on how I got owned.

Looks like I've had the last laugh.

Well here's a lesson for you. Never jump the gun and come to conclusions early. This way you'll rarely get embarrassed and you will avoid getting owned as well :msd

P.S :- if Amla would have had his way, he would have departed with an average of 17 but sad to see that even our point fielders can't hold on to regulation catches. Looks like he's got someone to thank as well :amin
 
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Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
And it continues.

So Amla bids adieu to the Champions Trophy with a paltry average of 32 and once again fails to deliver in an ICC event and provide his usual solidity which SA needed at the top.

Hilarious how some people got their tails up on basis of one innings against Pakistan and took shots at me on how I got owned.

Looks like I've had the last laugh.

Well here's a lesson for you. Never jump the gun and come to conclusions early. This way you'll rarely get embarrassed and you will avoid getting owned as well :msd

P.S :- if Amla would have had his way, he would have departed with an average of 17 but sad to see that even our point fielders can't hold on to regulation catches. Looks like he's got someone to thank as well :amin
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Amla played 2 matches in CT 2009 as well.

So his overall tally in 6 CT matches so far comes to 27.83.
 
Kiwi said:
He's not actually in the best of form, so hardly a choke... I don't think you guys know what choke actually means, SA weren't favorites for this trophy...
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Its funny how he gets hit with bad form as soon as an ICC event approaches and it certainly is a big choke when a batsman with a 50+ average and a 90+ SR keeps failing on big occasions.
 
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