Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

i held similar views about you even before this thread :asif

(Not)NEWSFLASH: not even a single int'l cricketer know you exist and neither will ever.

I don't get personal with other people over them and neither am I emotionally attached to them unlike you :moyo
 
He is a gun ODI player but i would go with the OP's view, he does tend to do badly in imp touneys or matches!!!
 
LOL, I think one of the point of OP was regarding this. His this Majestic Beard earns him lot of brownie points and elevates him to a whole different level at PP. Same beard won't get extra brownie points for a non-practicing Muslim player.

lack of sense of humor...

farhat can grow a gazillion majestic beards stacked.....he'd still be hated on PP (a bit bcoz of father-in-law also)

so this proves beard is NOT it

Ajmal's clean shaven like a 2-year-old baby's butt.....still loved more than AMLA...

common theme???? PERFORMANCE+skillz get you love on PP (and pace helps:akhtar)
 
Amla averages 32 minus the Netherlands game. I've stated it clearly. Read my post again

You are calling me a moron but you can't read and comprehend yourself. How ironic.

Anyhow, performances against associates don't count.

what were they doing in the world cup then? Dhoni faced them as well and was awful.
Amla had a solid world cup 2 50's and a hundred. Those runs were scored in a world cup and thats that, any argument after that would be pretty stupid and full of double standards.
Sewhag plundered Bangladesh (150+) and was anonymous after that his team mates carried his through
 
lack of sense of humor...

farhat can grow a gazillion majestic beards stacked.....he'd still be hated on PP (a bit bcoz of father-in-law also)

so this proves beard is NOT it

Ajmal's clean shaven like a 2-year-old baby's butt.....still loved more than AMLA...

common theme???? PERFORMANCE+skillz get you love on PP (and pace helps:akhtar)

It's not the 'beard' in a literal sense.

It's the fact that he's a 'good Muslim' or whatever.
 
lack of sense of humor...

farhat can grow a gazillion majestic beards stacked.....he'd still be hated on PP (a bit bcoz of father-in-law also)

so this proves beard is NOT it

Ajmal's clean shaven like a 2-year-old baby's butt.....still loved more than AMLA...

common theme???? PERFORMANCE+skillz get you love on PP (and pace helps:akhtar)

Arr no. I disagree a bit here. Not whole lot but a bit.

Performance + Skill --- Love at PP ( you can even add fast bowling)

Performance + Skill + practicing Muslim --- Love gets elevated at another level.

By beard, I didn't mean only beard part. I meant any one who is seen as practicing Mulsim and does well in international cricket is going to get lot more love than some one with exact same performance but without religion part.

Yaah, Amala can be clean shaved but as long as he is considered as practicing Muslim, he will get some extra brownie points at PP for obvious reasons. This has been noticed by lot of posters from across the world in many different threads so it's not only OP.

Not a big deal but can get bit annoying at times. I myself like Amla a lot. I like him in both formats as well.
 
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what were they doing in the world cup then? Dhoni faced them as well and was awful.
Amla had a solid world cup 2 50's and a hundred. Those runs were scored in a world cup and thats that, any argument after that would be pretty stupid and full of double standards.
Sewhag plundered Bangladesh (150+) and was anonymous after that his team mates carried his through


hence only his blind fans believe he was good in the World Cup.

Dhoni picked up his game in the World Cup when it mattered while Amla feasted on Netherlands (an associate) and one of his two 50's came against Bangladesh (minnow).

Amla bottled when it mattered.
 
Again, the love for Poms is sickening. Almost borders on actual romantic love
 
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hence only his blind fans believe he was good in the World Cup.

Dhoni picked up his game in the World Cup when it mattered while Amla feasted on Netherlands (an associate) and one of his two 50's came against Bangladesh (minnow).

Amla bottled when it mattered.

dude the only one blind and delusional here is you.
It was the team that carried India not Dhoni. We will never know what Amla would have done had his team mates done the same and i dont want to talk about hypotheticals and what "if's".
If you think Dhoni was better than Amla in that world cup then you must be sniffing something up your nose broer
 
Pietersen is charismatic and has a tremendous amount of swagger.

A broken chair has more charisma than Amla.

Amla scores quicker than KP in ODI's and thats all that matters and no one can cut the ball as sweet as Amla. Everything else is secondary
 
Yes he is like a robot but without efficiency or reliability.
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ICC Test rankings must be broken then.....btw only a select few legends in the history of the game have broken than 900 barrier in ICC's Test Ranking.


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what's the use of getting so many runs,if u cant help ur team to overcome the final frontier??
 
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Yes he is like a robot but without efficiency or reliability.

Ah no. Amla has scored so many runs at very good clip. You can't call such player non-efficient.

He has not done so well in big pressure games but then he has played around only 70 ODI. Even SRT was less efficient and reliable than Amla in his first 70 odd games. Give Amla a break and see how he does with more number of matches. He has done a very good job so far but you are expecting him to win matches on his own in pressure games and that is bit difficult given how SA plays in ODI whenever there is some pressure.

Despite his high average, I won't put him as top 3 bat in ODI right now but he is taking some unfair flock in this thread. Just because he is not the top 3 bat, it doesn't mean he is not efficient. Everyone can't have all the qualities but Amla has enough cricketing qualities. He doesn't lack efficiency in scoring runs.
 
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how many players play in a cricket team?? :moyo

i am not saying he alone should carry his team...but for all the hype he is getting around he should be able to..thats why he is not a match winner ...match winners single handedly change the game...
 
Ah no. Amla has scored so many runs at very good clip. You can't call such player non-efficient.

He has not done so well in big pressure games but then he has played around only 70 ODI. Even SRT was not more efficient and reliable than Amla in his first 70 odd games. Give Amla a break and see how he does with more number of matches. He has done a very good job so far but you are expecting him to win matches on his own in pressure games and that is bit difficult given how SA plays in ODI whenever there is some pressure.
Despite his high average, I won't put him as top 3 bat in ODI right now but he is taking some unfair flock in this thread. Just because he is not the top 3 bat, it doesn't mean he is not efficient. Everyone can't have all the qualities but Amala has enough cricketing qualities. He doesn't lack efficiency in scoring runs.

Efficiency is useless if it's not available at the important matches.
 
Efficiency is useless if it's not available at the important matches.

OK, so agreed that he is efficient over all but not so efficient in big matches so far.

I also pointed out how efficient a bat like SRT was in his first 70 matches so we should cut Amla some slack here and see how well he does in ICC games in coming matches/years.
 
Not agreed really. I'd prefer even dhawan or jamshed over amla in a crunch match because they have character and flair and are more likely to come off IMO.
 
I don't think Mamoon_Ghaffar deserves all the bashing. So far he has been correct he hasn't delivered in any World Cup events nor at a Champions Trophy, he choked big time today. And :msd is a better odi batsman no doubt, :msd is better than Bevan.
 
i am not saying he alone should carry his team...but for all the hype he is getting around he should be able to..thats why he is not a match winner ...match winners single handedly change the game...

Ah no, A great player can make out-sized contributions frequently but he can't win game alone. Despite making out-sized contribution, you still need support from other 10 players to push their team across the line. Amla may score heavily in next two match and SA may still lose but that's not really Amla's fault. Other players from SA needs to chip in to translate an out-sized contribution by a specific player to a match winning one.

I am not saying that Amla will make an out-sized contribution but just putting this match winner argument to rest. SA as a team plays badly in pressure ODI games so they collectively need to do better and then most out-sized contributions will become match winning knocks.
 
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Can any one define an important match?

A world cup is played once every 4 years does that mean all the runs you score between that period are not important?
 
what has Jamshed ever done? Or Dawan for that matter

Dhawan scored a match winning 114 of 94 balls in the opening match of ICC Champions Trophy against South Africa :kallis

Batted South Africa out of the game.

Every match is crucial in CT and Dhawan has delivered :amla failed.

Amla is a world class batsman no doubt but when it comes to World events he chokes.
 
Not agreed really. I'd prefer even dhawan or jamshed over amla in a crunch match because they have character and flair and are more likely to come off IMO.

I can see your thinking behind this but bit unfair on Amla here. I do see what you are trying to say.

Less efficient player but with more flair may suddenly come good in crunch matches but Dhavan and Jamshed have played too little cricket right now. Amla is not that bad in crunch games. He looks bad because he is so much better in other games.
 
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i am not saying he alone should carry his team...but for all the hype he is getting around he should be able to..thats why he is not a match winner ...match winners single handedly change the game...

Sachin was one of the best in 90's

yet Team India sucked so badly in 90's, they were even worse than ZIM

lesson: Cricket is a team game
 
Dhawan scored a match winning 114 of 94 balls in the opening match of ICC Champions Trophy against South Africa :kallis

Batted South Africa out of the game.

Every match is crucial in CT and Dhawan has delivered :amla failed.

Amla is a world class batsman no doubt but when it comes to World events he chokes.

you are aware that this tournament is on going right?
And look at Amla's record in the 2011 world cup. Whatever criteria you use apply it to everyone else
 
Can any one define an important match?

A world cup is played once every 4 years does that mean all the runs you score between that period are not important?

Normally, most fans will prefer gun players performing their best in ICC tournament like WC. Whole world watches it. Bilateral ODI series are not really the same when it comes to pressure and being important from fans point of view.

Parallel example: Take two English cricketers with exact same career records in tests. I think majority of English fans will prefer them to bring their A game in Ashes and one of two , who plays better in Ashes, is going to be rated higher by English fans. Why? because whole England pays attention to Ashes. That logic doesn't work if one over all class is low. That's why Malik is not rated that high by Pakistani fans despite making lot of runs against India.

Same way, WC catches the attention of fans across the world and that makes it lot more important with high pressure. All ODI games are important but there are manifold more eyes on tournaments like WC. Hope I did half decent job of explaining it.
 
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Another one of Mamoon's threads that are created with more emotion than logic.

No.. M_G has a thought behind those statements. I like that. Wait for South Africa's next game against Pakistan to confirm Amla's plight. I'll wait for it.
 
Re: Hashim Amla - The classic SA choker.

Normally, most fans will prefer gun players performing their best in ICC tournament like WC. Whole world watches it. Bilateral ODI series are not really the same when it comes to pressure and being important from fans point of view.

Parallel example: Take two English cricketers with exact same career records in tests. I think majority of English fans will prefer them to bring their A game in Ashes and one of two , who plays better in Ashes, is going to be rated higher by English fans. Why? because whole England pays attention to Ashes. That logic doesn't work if one over all class is low. That's why Malik is not rated that high by Pakistani fans despite making lot of runs against India.

Same way, WC catches the attention of fans across the world and that makes it lot more important with high pressure. All ODI games are important but there are manifold more eyes on tournaments like WC. Hope I did half decent job of explaining it.

You majorly contradicted yourself there. English fans rate players higher who perform against their rivals in the Ashes. But Pakistan don't rate Malik because he performs against Pak's rivals India?

The issue with Amla is that he has only in the past two years asserted himself as one of the best batsmen in the world. He isn't a t20 player so I'm not sure why people bring up his t20 wc stats. As for ODIs, he averaged in the mid 30s in the last world cup which isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. In particular, he got out to a freak dismissal in SA's quarter final choke. Anyway, my point is that you can't call him a choker based on such a small sample size. He has two games left so let's see how he gets on before throwing such a tag around.

As a final point, Inzi is rated as a quality ODI pressure player by many yet failed in all but his first world cup.
 
Mamoon, i've seen you create a similar thread on Ajmal when you were forced to eat a humble pie later :msd

A player has got to deliver in ICC events to be remembered as a true great of the ODI game, absolutely no doubt about that.

Amla has a couple of more games in CT and then the 2015 WC to prove his detractors wrong.

Now, what if Amla hits a match changing century against Pakistan? :amin

Would be interesting to see the reaction on PP then :wasim
 
You majorly contradicted yourself there. English fans rate players higher who perform against their rivals in the Ashes. But Pakistan don't rate Malik because he performs against Pak's rivals India?

Read it bit carefully. There is no contradiction.

I said English fan will rate first player over another , having similar career record, if first player brings his A game in Ashes.

In case of Malik, if you compare him with another player with similar career records, then he will be also rated higher than that specific player. But his career record is so bad that doing good only against India won't help.

In short, fans will always rate one player over another with similar career if first player brings his A game in more followed games/tournaments. More followed makes it more important. Higher weight for more followed games as long as over all record is good one.

As a final point, Inzi is rated as a quality ODI pressure player by many yet failed in all but his first world cup.

Now take this Inzzi example to further clarify what I meant. Inzii played 35 WC games with avg of 23.90. He also played 35 tournaments final and averages 29.56.

Now his career avg is 39.52 and he won many pressure games for Pakistan but those games were not as widely followed as WC or finals. He did poorly in more widely followed games. World wide fans will remember WC and final performances lot more than other games. That makes them more important. That's what I was trying to explain to fellow poster.

So with the exact same career record, if Inzamam had brought is A game in WC and Finals then he would have been rated lot higher. It doesn't mean that Inzzi is not rated right now. You get more brownie points for bringing your A game in more followed games rather than bringing your A game in other matches even though you may end up with same career record.

I hope it clears it for you. Context was Amla here.
 
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Normally, most fans will prefer gun players performing their best in ICC tournament like WC. Whole world watches it. Bilateral ODI series are not really the same when it comes to pressure and being important from fans point of view.

Parallel example: Take two English cricketers with exact same career records in tests. I think majority of English fans will prefer them to bring their A game in Ashes and one of two , who plays better in Ashes, is going to be rated higher by English fans. Why? because whole England pays attention to Ashes. That logic doesn't work if one over all class is low. That's why Malik is not rated that high by Pakistani fans despite making lot of runs against India.

Same way, WC catches the attention of fans across the world and that makes it lot more important with high pressure. All ODI games are important but there are manifold more eyes on tournaments like WC. Hope I did half decent job of explaining it.

not at all mate. It still does not explain why the 438 game between South Africa and Australia was voted as the best game of cricket ever. Which was voted for by "fans". Unless fans themselves are morons, why would they vote for a "meaningless game". I mean the pressure of chasing 400 at a "meaningless bilatera series" is not the same as winning a world cup or chasing at a world cup after all. 400 is meaningless "no pressure"
 
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not at all mate. It still does not explain then why the 438 game between South Africa and Australia as the best game of cricket ever. Which was voted for by "fans". Unless fans themselves are morons, why would they vote for a "meaningless game". I mean the pressure of chasing 400 at a "meaningless bilatera series" is not the same as winning a world cup or chasing at a world cup after all. 400 is meaningless

I never said meaningless. You are bringing that world. Your cited game was classic but I was talking about average case.

Even a less thrilling game in WC is followed by manifold fans ( whole world not only home fans) and they tend to remember those games. Imagine if 438 chase was done against major test team in WC final or even a normal WC game against a major team. It will be lot more memorable due to a simple fact. Manifold fans across the world follow WC games.

It's all relative. WC being more important doesn't make ODI series meaningless. A large number of fans still follow it but it's not comparable to WC games. Same way, league WC games are not comparable to Final of WC as far as being important is concerned.

I am only talking from fan's point of view here.
 
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not at all mate. It still does not explain why the 438 game between South Africa and Australia was voted as the best game of cricket ever. Which was voted for by "fans". Unless fans themselves are morons, why would they vote for a "meaningless game". I mean the pressure of chasing 400 at a "meaningless bilatera series" is not the same as winning a world cup or chasing at a world cup after all. 400 is meaningless "no pressure"

The 438 game is probably the greatest ODI game ever played.

But dont you agree that its stature would have been a lot higher had it been a WC semi final or final?
 
The 438 game is probably the greatest ODI game ever played.

But dont you agree that its stature would have been a lot higher had it been a WC semi final or final?

i dont deal with hypotheticals and speculation. It cant get anymore prestigious coz it was voted as the best game ever. And most cricket fans remember that game. Not morons who tune in during the world cup of any sport and call themselves fans
 
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I never said meaningless. You are bringing that world. Your cited game was classic but I was talking about average case.

Even a less thrilling game in WC is followed by manifold fans ( whole world not only home fans) and they tend to remember those games. Imagine if 438 chase was done against major test team in WC final or even a normal WC game against a major team. It will be lot more memorable due to a simple fact. Manifold fans across the world follow WC games.

It's all relative. WC being more important doesn't make ODI series meaningless. A large number of fans still follow it but it's not comparable to WC games. Same way, league WC games are not comparable to Final of WC as far as being important is concerned.

I am only talking from fan's point of view here.

lot of speculation here.

Forget the word meaningless then. But i was led to believe that the is no pressure in chasing any total in a bilateral series hence i brought that game up.
Which means chasing 250 in a world cup is tougher than chasing 400 as per logic
 
He is a very religious Muslim. However I too fail to comprehend how that makes him a more admirable cricketer.

..or even a better human for that matter..Religious views are simply a personal choice,nothing more

2 different Topics at hand here.

Is the beard a factor contributing to his fan following here?

Undoubtedly.
..the bias on PP when it comes to questioning Amla's supposed ''greatness'' is unmatched...Amla is a modern day Saint here.If you dont agree,you're indulging in blasphemy.

The ''Muslim brother'' comments pretty much explain it all...Im sorry but i find all this ''brotherhood'' crap utterly nonsensical..i cant think of anything that could reek of such stupidity..i cant see for the life of me how any man with an IQ of >70 can support such a philosophy.

How good is Amla?

Very very good.,Amla is ''one of the 5 or 6 best current batsmen around'' but he is not the best by any stretch of the imagination IMO..ive never seen anything from him that would tell me he is a cut above the rest...Great batsmen capture your attention instantly and leave you in 'Awe' ..ive personally never experienced that watching Amla..I feel he is not talented enough to ever reach that class..

Watching him bat I feel is akin to reading a very well memorized,very meticulously rehearsed essay..its straight to the point,very effective in getting the message across and fulfils all the stringent requirements of language and grammar.Yet there is something thats lacking..its very good but nothing special..It doesnt jump out to you as a cut above the rest..Why?..because it doesnt have that flare of creativity/raw un nurtured talent,that spark of brilliance that would separate it from everyone else.
 
I remember when amla scored that 300 my uncle said he made the Muslim world proud.
 
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Easily the shi test thread in my time on PP.

A batsman who hits a triple hundred against the best attack in the world away from home, first Springbok to do so playing cover drives on the up rare to see is somehow bland.

Yet a failure in a T20 World Cup and an ODI tournament and he becomes a choker. And then to say he lacks charisma and is Over hyped on PP because he is a muslim?!?

Yet he is number 2 in ODIs and if perchance that might have been a fluke if that is something you can conjure up then he is number 1 in Tests!!!!!!!!!

He is the reason why I watch Test cricket of late because of his exquisite shots and temperament something that must be alien to.

Can't believe I'm even bothering replying in this joke of a thread!!
 
I remember when amla scored that 300 my uncle said he made the Muslim world proud.

In that season he scored 900 runs in 10 (3 Tests, 5 ODI's, 2 T20) against Eng in Eng. Averaging 112 in that season including a 311* a first ever triple hundred by a south African in Tests and that also in a away match. Many people here are trying to make fun of him tell me how many players in history have achieved this mark? is there a long list?

(By the way i am not a saffa fan i just respect this guy achievements)
 
People who judge batsmen with their T20 performances need to realize the real cricket is Tests and at most ODI's but not T20 they arejust just for fun if that is your criteria thn tell me where is that guy name Levi who scored the fastest 100 in T20?
 
lot of speculation here.

Forget the word meaningless then. But i was led to believe that the is no pressure in chasing any total in a bilateral series hence i brought that game up.
Which means chasing 250 in a world cup is tougher than chasing 400 as per logic

I don't think there is no pressure outside WC. All teams want to win all games so there is always pressure but context matters. WC is followed by lot more fans and that makes it relatively high pressure games. To put it in scale,

  • Chasing 250 in WC is lot tougher than chasing 250 in bilateral series. If you miss, then you can always win other bilateral series.
  • Chasing 400 in WC is lot tougher than chasing 400 in bilateral series. If you miss then you wait for 4 years.

It's relative.

It's very simple. When you have 8-10 team playing in same match conditions then coming out as winner is rated manifold higher than winning bilateral series. Have you heard any player saying that his dream is to win some XYZ ODI bilateral series? But many players have stated that they dream of winning WC for their team. Also, being a very good/close match helps to create pressure but it's not the only thing. Some WC knockout matches were not close/interesting but every single match is very high pressure game They may turnout to be one sided but pressure factor is always present.

It's difficult to quantify the pressure to compare one odd case of classic , where 400+ was chased, with WC games but there is hardly any doubt that on average WC games carry lot more pressure than bilateral series.

If only chasing in WC matters then I will rate Amla way down in pecking order in ODI but that's not the case. I still rate him as one of the top ODI bat. But performance at bigger stage do carry lot more weight. It's relative not a binary situation.
 
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Lol at those so sensitive about amla. End of the day will he ever win SA a world cup? No. He is past his peak now as you will all see in the next few years. Ponting Lara Tendulkar Inzamam Bevan Gilchrist all these guys and more will forever be remembered for their great ODI legacies. Amla misses that spark and magic due to his blandness and lack of guts.
 
I remember when amla scored that 300 my uncle said he made the Muslim world proud.

Please also do tell him that his ancestors are Gujju, from Surat. :P

Free Brownie points for Indians. :yk
 
I think this thread is bit premature and bit harsh I guess. Amla is still young and have few more ICC tournies to play. I know how harsh people can be if they don't perform well in World cups and high profile tourny. Even people have been harsh to players who have performed very well in WC tourny but hadn't won a WC. :sachin

But to be fair to Amla, it's still a bit premature. And I think he doesn't have mental problem but thinks he still gets out a lot with inswinging deliveries and leaves decent gaps between bat and his frontfoot. But positive for that technique is that he has good reach to play powerful cut shots and drives on the rise.

Give him few more wcs. And even after that see if there is temperament issue or technical issue. Just because player doesn't perform in high pressure game doesn't make him a choker. You have to see the scenarios and the manner player got out etc.
 
He's a classic example of how significant it can be for a cricketer to be in possession of a personality.

Very good player. Very professional.

Absolutely no charisma.

Therefore won't be particularly remembered in cricket history, unless you're South African or a Muslim.
 
Agree completely with lara400.. absolute joke of a thread. Mamoon is a certified troll :nehra
 
'no charisma' - WHAT! He's one of the most exciting batsman to watch in world cricket. His cover drives and flicks are as elegant as they come.
 
Give him few more wcs. And even after that see if there is temperament issue or technical issue. Just because player doesn't perform in high pressure game doesn't make him a choker. You have to see the scenarios and the manner player got out etc.

Just to be clear, if Amla plays well in future WCs/ICC tournaments then SA not winning shouldn't be counted against him. He can make out-sized contributions but SA may not win WC. It's a team game. We can only judge him based on what he does and not take SA (his + 10 more players) performance as benchmark. Him being in WC wining team would be nice but he should be judged solely on his performance.
 
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cha·ris·ma (k-rzm)
n. pl. cha·ris·ma·ta (-m-t)

1.
a. A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.
b. Personal magnetism or charm.

Has nothing to do with playing a neat cover drive or an elegant flick I'm afraid babz.
 
Just to be clear, if Amla plays well in future WCs/ICC tournaments then SA not winning shouldn't be counted against him. He can make out-sized contributions but SA may not win WC. It's a team game. We can only judge him based on what he does and not take his SA (his + 10 more players) performance as benchmark.

Agreed.

I guess to be technically correct even if he doesn't perform in wc, one will still have to analyze the way player gets out before calling him a choker. Being choker is a temperamental issue, inconsistency and the manner player gets out give few hints if player is a choker or not.

I have seen Amla gets out playing mist-timed shots or bowler outbowled him, but rarely has seen him throwing it away just because he was underpressure or something.
 
He's a classic example of how significant it can be for a cricketer to be in possession of a personality.

Very good player. Very professional.

Absolutely no charisma.

Therefore won't be particularly remembered in cricket history, unless you're South African or a Muslim.

Lol not sure the English will ever forget him charisma or no charisma!
 
Lol not sure the English will ever forget him charisma or no charisma!

English fans will respect him for scoring runs against us; in a similar way to Mohammed Yousuf, another guy who's always caned our bowlers and so is applauded warmly around the country whenever he comes out to bat. But in Amla's case I'm just describing his abject lack of personality - which I acknowledge is a bit mean, but in cricket more widely you get remembered for your character as much as your achievements.
 
Being choker is a temperamental issue,

Choker tag is often misused. Today, many were wrongly calling SA choker because they failed to chase 330, LOL

I can understand if SA needs 100 runs with 8 wickets in hands and lot of overs but failing to chase 330? That has been done only handful of times.
 
Lol at those so sensitive about amla. End of the day will he ever win SA a world cup? No. He is past his peak nowas you will all see in the next few years. Ponting Lara Tendulkar Inzamam Bevan Gilchrist all these guys and more will forever be remembered for their great ODI legacies. Amla misses that spark and magic due to his blandness and lack of guts.

You may wake up now from Your 92 Glory siesta, First things first Inzi fails to be a World Cup great infact choked more often than not! Amla`s had one shot at it, let him have ten like Inzi before you choke him.

As for past his peak, Which slumber century you in? check the ratings for cricket, stats dont lie even if I am
 
Choker tag is often misused. Today, many were wrongly calling SA choker because they failed to chase 330, LOL

I can understand if SA needs 100 runs with 8 wickets in hands and lot of overs but failing to chase 330? That has been done only handful of times.

Yes, highest successful chase on that ground was 258 if I am not mistaking. Despite flat pitch and Indian bowling it was going to be tough task. If we blame SA for that collapse, I guess India should also take the blame because they were cruising to get over 350 because they had wickets in hand but lost wickets in similar manner to SA.

The way they lost to NZ in last ODI world cup, that was a choke. Not this one.
 
abject lack of personality ..... but in cricket more widely you get remembered for your character as much as your achievements.

It's true that colorful personalities are remembered but players like SRT have bland personality and I doubt that world will forget him any time soon.

By personality, did you mean players dominating/performing on bigger stage/tough oppositions/difficult conditions etc? Most players doing so will be remembered for decades to come even if they have bland personalities. Having a colorful personality makes it bit easier for sure.
 
Just some stats in ODIs showing the highest averages of players in matches their team has won. No surprises that Microsoft Dhoni is right at the top with an avg of 74.27 and S/R of 97.48 but Amla is nearly on par with Dhoni with an avg of 72.82 and S/R of 93.66.

I don't agree with this thread at all and some people on here are highly under rating him. I think he's one of the classiest batsman in the world.
 

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It's true that colorful personalities are remembered but players like SRT have bland personality and I doubt that world will forget him any time soon.

By personality, did you mean players dominating/performing on bigger stage/tough oppositions/difficult conditions etc? Most players doing so will be remembered for decades to come even if they have bland personalities. Having a colorful personality makes it bit easier for sure.

It's safe to say that Tendulkar is a bit of an exception!
 
English fans will respect him for scoring runs against us; in a similar way to Mohammed Yousuf, another guy who's always caned our bowlers and so is applauded warmly around the country whenever he comes out to bat. But in Amla's case I'm just describing his abject lack of personality - which I acknowledge is a bit mean, but in cricket more widely you get remembered for your character as much as your achievements.

Emotional tendencies will never stop statistics to be remembered even if charisma gives Dermot Reeve a mention every now and then again in no mean way.
 
I don't see how Amla has an outstanding statistical record, particularly. Maybe in ODIs - but who cares about them? Cricket is almost always spoken of by its devoting following in terms of Test cricket, and Amla's record in les blanches is just similar to a lot of other good players.
 
'no charisma' - WHAT! He's one of the most exciting batsman to watch in world cricket. His cover drives and flicks are as elegant as they come.

OP prefers the tuk tuk of :misbah

Amla will go down as ATG, haters/trolls can go sulk where they wish. A SR of 91 in ODIs is PHENOMENAL and his overall performance in the format is on par with his excellence in the Test arena. He is a free flowing batsman who plays effortlessly. So what if he hasn't delivered yet in a WC or ICC Tourney? If that's the case most of our legends were chokers too !! Rubbish thread.
 
I don't see how Amla has an outstanding statistical record, particularly. Maybe in ODIs - but who cares about them? Cricket is almost always spoken of by its devoting following in terms of Test cricket, and Amla's record in les blanches is just similar to a lot of other good players.

The second phase of his career is outstanding without digging into his stats, which has propelled the choking Boks to number for the first time I believe. If this surging worm continues then ot will propel him past the likes of Clarke, Pietersen and other good players.
 
It's safe to say that Tendulkar is a bit of an exception!

OK, I should have chosen a different example to make my point.

I think players like Dravid will be remembered for decades. Now some one can say that he is ATG so another one. In my opinion, cook is in his way to get into that category as well. Both have played very well in tough conditions which was not familiar to them. Both have very simple personality. I wouldn't call them as having very interesting personality but I think they will be remembered for long time.

We can pick some more players but just threw out these two as examples. I agree that if Amla retires tomorrow then not many ( non-Muslims, non SA fans) will talk about him after few decades. But he has many years ahead of him.

Note: Before some one jumps out at me, I put Cook's name there assuming that he will perform at same level for another 4-5 years. Not talking about ATG tags etc here simply saying that he will be remembered by fans for long time. I think he is only one among current lots who can score more century than SRT in tests.
 
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Re: Hashim Amla - The classic SA choker.

I don't think he's ATG material.

It's premature to be throwing that tag around but he's only 30 and has a very good test record. The excitement is based on his current form which has resulted in his icc ranking crossing 900 points. Only 24 other men have achieved this in the history of the game. It's interesting now to see whether he can continue or improve on his current form and if he does so for the next 5 years, ATG status is achievable.
 
You may wake up now from Your 92 Glory siesta, First things first Inzi fails to be a World Cup great infact choked more often than not! Amla`s had one shot at it, let him have ten like Inzi before you choke him.

As for past his peak, Which slumber century you in? check the ratings for cricket, stats dont lie even if I am

Cough 92.semi cough
 
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