Savak
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No love lost for Afghani's. Well deserved.
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We should refuse to play Afghanistan after three straight instances of hooliganism directed towards our fans.
Afghan players truly have principles.
They are brave for withdrawing from BBL.
Such a good move.
I doubt many or in fact any Pakistani players would have in this situation.
No. It was not a right example.
Cricket Australia is currently run by fruitcakes. They lynched David Warner like he was some type of object. Very disrespectful.
Look what David Warner has to say about Cricket Australia: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...-cricket-australia-public-lynching-withdraws/.
Whether or not Afghanistan want to field a woman's team should be a decision for Afghanistan. Not sure why Australia is interfering.
Should the Afghanistan cricket team not have participated in any of the matches against England or Australia for the war against their country?
Are Pakistani players entitled to play in IPL ? Is it their right to play in IPL ?
Afghan players truly have principles.
They are brave for withdrawing from BBL.
Such a good move.
Now before anyone attacks me, I am not against women playing sports. Sports can give women good exercises. Nothing wrong with it.
But, that's not the point. Point is Australia being nosy about other countries. This is a job of ICC; not Australia's.
No, but its still discriminatory behaviour given that everyone else can.
Cry me a river. This is a convenient excuse to get out of a profitless series.
I really can’t stand the selective moral outrage exhibited by these entitled white “western” countries.
Good on Australia. It's about time Afganistán come out of then 7th century mindset
As I said earlier, two wrongs don't make a right. India selectively boycotting Pakistan isn't right too. You are actually defending the hypocrisy shown by both India and Australia here.![]()
Ex PCB chairman Ijaz Butt didn't think so and refused to let Pak players participate in IPL. And now when they are not taken by IPL then it becomes discriminatory. Also except Shehrayar Khan none of the PCB chiefs were neutral regarding BCCI, they kept on attacking BCCI in every possible way..So now even if Indian Govt. doesnt have any objection then also Pak players wont be able to participate because now BCCI wont agree. Being dragged to ICC courts by PCB under Najam Sethi and Rameez making statements after statements against BCCI has buried any chances.
I doubt if Afghans would have done the same if there were not the umpteen T20 league gigs around.
Probably the ones who criticize CA decision, secretly believe women should be locked in homes.
It is a travesty that in 2022, there are people who stop women from education.
And a tragedy that if someone takes a stand, they want them to just go play cricket and forget about what happens to women in their country.
Shameful.
Oh so he is telling us to keep politics out of it, remind me again why women can't play cricket in Afghanistan then.
Probably the ones who criticize CA decision, secretly believe women should be locked in homes.
It is a travesty that in 2022, there are people who stop women from education.
And a tragedy that if someone takes a stand, they want them to just go play cricket and forget about what happens to women in their country.
Shameful.
Afghan players truly have principles.
They are brave for withdrawing from BBL.
Such a good move.
You do realize he’s not in favor of keeping women out of sports, right? It’s the govt that has imposed that decision on the board. If ACB had done this, totally fair on CA’s part to take that decision.
I am talking about human rights abuses etc - What if India now says that instead of govt not allowing, we think Hindus in Pakistan are mistreated so we will not tour or play Pakistan?
I don’t agree with that. I am criticizing the decision because ACB has been forced into this action of banning women - not their fault. And 2) Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Do you think stopping some one to get education due to being girl like situation exists for Hindus in Pakistan?
If and when situation becomes that extreme then not only India, other countries will be justified to use as reason to boycott.
I don't know what he favors but his own government has made a political decision to keep women from playing cricket. He is willing to boycott BBL teams because he disagrees with CA decisions, what is he boycotting to show his disagreement with the political decision of women not being allowed to play cricket in Afghanistan?.
I wonder if India or any western country come up with a discriminatory state policy that Muslims are denied jobs and education, if Pakistani cricket board would be desperate to have bilateral series with India like they are now .
Probably the ones who criticize CA decision, secretly believe women should be locked in homes.
It is a travesty that in 2022, there are people who stop women from education.
And a tragedy that if someone takes a stand, they want them to just go play cricket and forget about what happens to women in their country.
Shameful.
I believe France has a ban on certain Muslim female clothing. It didn't stop Aus soccer team to play against France.
I believe France has a ban on certain Muslim female clothing. It didn't stop Aus soccer team to play against France.
No, but its still discriminatory behaviour given that everyone else can.
If you're gonna cancel the series in the last moments, why bother to accept scheduling them in the first place? This isn't the first time they have canceled series.Australia played France in the World cup, Australia played Afghanistan in the T20 world cup.
What is your point?.
No. It was not a right example.
Cricket Australia is currently run by fruitcakes. They lynched David Warner like he was some type of object. Very disrespectful.
Look what David Warner has to say about Cricket Australia: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...-cricket-australia-public-lynching-withdraws/.
Whether or not Afghanistan want to field a woman's team should be a decision for Afghanistan. Not sure why Australia is interfering.
I believe France has a ban on certain Muslim female clothing. It didn't stop Aus soccer team to play against France.
I don't know what he favors but his own government has made a political decision to keep women from playing cricket. He is willing to boycott BBL teams because he disagrees with CA decisions, what is he boycotting to show his disagreement with the political decision of women not being allowed to play cricket in Afghanistan?.
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Talking about principle is just a talk here.
This “two wrongs don’t make a right” is used wrongly here. I have seen a few others say the same phrase but it’s the wrong context here.
It’s like equating murderer and pickpocket. Both are wrongs but not the same level of wrong.
Taliban bans women from studying and working.
Australia refuse to play a random bilateral series with Afghanistan on that principle.
How are you equating the 2 wrongs ?
I agree if the players were banned from playing Big bash etc but just like everyone else the Afghan players are pretty popular and beloved by everyone.
I feel Other countries should take this action too including India.
Their players can play in the leagues because it’s not their fault they have a radical government.
Every one else's country and countrymen don't support secession of Kashmir from India.
I see there is a lot of support for the exclusion of women playing cricket in Afghanistan.
Why couldn’t Australia do this in the football World Cup? Because Qatar told them to shut their mouth.
I doubt many or in fact any Pakistani players would have in this situation.
Is this conformed? Rashid Khan in his tweet said he was considering his future in the tournament.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cricket! The only hope for the country.<br>Keep politics out of it. <a href="https://twitter.com/CricketAus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CricketAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BBL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ACBofficials?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ACBofficials</a>����
<a href="https://t.co/ZPpvOBetPJ">pic.twitter.com/ZPpvOBetPJ</a></p>— Rashid Khan (@rashidkhan_19) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashidkhan_19/status/1613517048184975362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yea, of course it is confirmed. Or else why would Afghan players put out these statements?
This is the wrong approach, it is not Taliban who play cricket. Taliban are opposed to Sports, music and other leisure activities in general. People under Taliban are not encouraged to play. This will only reinforce Taliban ideology. And people suffering under Taliban will have their suffering multiplied.
Australia is not doing anybody a favor by doing this, only further isolating the already isolated. Cricket in Afghanistan exists in spite of Taliban. Cricket is a little bit of normal they have. Australia wants to reach out to Taliban they can do that by touring Afghanistan not by boycotting them. It is will only deepen the hatred & mistrust.
Not trying to be funny here, but to my knowledge, 'considering his future' means he has hasn't decided that unless you've got a source of this confirmation?
I think they could pull out given the strength of feeling but combination of sweet talk and money works wonders.
Looks like this wasn't some random series. It was part of the Super League. What if Afg needed these games to qualify? CA antics also forced South African board to cancel their ODI series. South Africa might not even play in WC.
It is incorrect to simply display this as a Taliban issue. As Bertus De Jong has shown on twitter, the ACB as far back as 2014 received upwards of 2 million dollars in aid which was to go towards womens cricket in the country. Years later 90% was handed back, unspent, as the ACB feared the womens poor performances could generate negative PR.
The ICC's own rules dictate Full Member's need to support womens cricket and it's pretty insane how they have a member who aren't even letting them play full stop. Even on a competitive level it's unfair, every other board funds two genders professionally, while Afghanistan only fund one.
It is obviously blatantly CA conveniently getting out of playing a series vs someone that isn't India/England too, but it's still imo a justifiable move. I don't think there should be any sanctions on the Afghan men or anything like that, they should be let play who they want, but they absolutely shouldn't be a "full" member if they clearly treat women as third class citizens to the extent they dont even let them play. It's a surprise it's even allowed honestly, given the strides in the women's game in recent times.
The lack of coverage and community outrage about violence against Aboriginal women in Australia speaks shameful volumes about our culture.
Those 30 points should be awarded to Afghanistan.
Why couldn’t Australia do this in the football World Cup? Because Qatar told them to shut their mouth.
Aussie team aren't playing the women, they are playing the men.
Besides, there are serious concerns of native women in Australia and their treatment. So perhaps others should boycott Australia for their treatment of these women? Or do they only care about women playing with a stick and ball?
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...boriginal-women-must-spark-outrage-and-change
Australian forces butchered countless people in Afghanistan. For what? A war which had nothing to do with them. The Taliban are a resistance force, they are not clued up about the world, sports etc. They only care to protect their land from invaders. If Afghanistan is left alone for a few decades, things will evolve.
Australia are just on their moral high horse but its a wooden horse. Their nation wiped out natives, a whole race of people, something the Taliban have never done.
You can of course find issues in every country. That is still a misdirection.
Indigenous women in Australia can go to school and earn PHDs, many have. They can play sport and represent Australia, many have. They can and do get elected to parliament. Can women do any of these things under the unelected, Taliban who rule only by military takeover?
Taliban are a resistance force? Who were they resisting when they ruled BEFORE the US/Western invasion?
What's that got to do with Pakistan cricketers and IPL?
Australia has been accused of committing war crimes in Afghanistan during its involvement in the War in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2014. In November 2020, the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force Afghanistan Inquiry published a report detailing credible evidence of potential war crimes committed by Australian special forces in Afghanistan [1][2]. This included the unlawful killing of at least 39 Afghan civilians and prisoners, the cruel treatment of two Afghan men, and the cruel treatment of one minor. The report also revealed a culture of secrecy and systemic failure within the Australian Defence Force (ADF). In response to the report [3], the ADF has launched a criminal investigation and has implemented a range of measures to address the issues raised in the report.
1. Brereton Report - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report
2. David McBride will face prosecution after blowing whistle on alleged ...
https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...e-afghanistan-alleged-war-crime-whistleblower
3. Australian 'war crimes': Troops to be fired over Afghan killings - BBC ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55088230
The underlying principle is the same one that India adopts against Pakistan, but still serves Afghans right. Since India has a lot of love for the descendants of Mahmood Ghaznavi, Team India should fly over for a match in Kabul.
Why not do basic research? Taliban means student(s). They came into being after the Soviet defeat, which led to a brutal civil war. A bunch of students took over which stopped the violence. Of course we know then over 40+ nations invaded one of the poorest nations on Earth. Australia was one of these 40 nations, which committed brutal crimes against Afghans. If anything it should be the Afghans who should boycott Aussies since justice hasnt been done.
As I wrote, leave Afghanistan alone for a few decades they will evolve. Remember your ancestors were once brutal criminals from Mother England, shipped off far away. Women are of course freerer in Aus but there is serious discrimination against the REAL Aussie women as pointed out. These aboriginal women who are still suffering are lucky to get through a day let alone play cricket.
Aus has no moral superiority, not sure what history they teach you at school.
India have a very close relationship with Afghan cricket - so it would be interesting to see if India can do the right thing and not play/host/allow Afghan team on their soul as a lot of their decisions, as per them, are based upon principles etc
Show me the part where i claimed moral superiority. I'll wait... I simply explained the false equivalency in the France/Taliban position and your argument about indigenous women.
It is ironic the Taliban "students" won't let their women study.
The invasion is another "look over here" distraction from the original point. I'm not sure whether they taught the laws of logic or argument at your school.
If we play the "but what about this, look over here" argument game we can be here all day. You won't find a nation without issues. We all sit in glass houses. What you WILL find and what is actually salient to the argument is that the Taliban have made repression and discrimination at the structural govt level and CA, having discussed it with their stakeholders (women) have decided they can't support that.