Have you ever faced racism from POC?

[SangasCoverDrive]

We keep on hearing tales from people about facing racism from white people but I have never faced racism from white people but its usually the black, asian and arab people who have been racist to me. Such as making fun of accents or getting called softie because of my skin.

 

[sweep_shot]

I personally think POCs are more racist than whites. LOL. Just my observation.

All countries probably have racists. It is a human problem.

 

[Technics 1210]

Oh, to answer the OP - resounding yes.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I was travelling in an nyc subway, a black man sitting across from me in a crowded train, was staring at me, and all of a sudden he goes, you guys should go back to Asia.
After an initial shock of a second, I replied “and you should go back to Africa”

Also, met a few Arabs who firmly believed that you can’t be a Muslim if you are an Arab to begin with.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes - but not to the same extent as from white people.

That being said my racist experiences have been quite minimal overall. Especially in the last 10 years ago the UK has changed dramatically and there is much less casual racism.

 

[hitthestump]

Racism arguably stems from a lack of exposure and education, so naturally it is going to be evident in poorer nations.

We also need to understand that literally everyone has prejudices.

 

[Napa]

We keep on hearing tales from people about facing racism from white people but I have never faced racism from white people but its usually the black, asian and arab people who have been racist to me. Such as making fun of accents or getting called softie because of my skin.

I have had both whites and blacks be rude to me, but only very rarely. Don’t know if it was due to me being brown.

My experience is that as a race, the whites are most polite.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I have had both whites and blacks be rude to me, but only very rarely. Don’t know if it was due to me being brown.

My experience is that as a race, the whites are most polite.

In Germany there’s less than 1.5% blacks so I don’t have much experience but in US when I was there for two years I’ve seen black Americans taunt and copy the stereotypical Indian accent to bully brown people in program. All in the “name of fun” of course so they got no retribution. Never seen that from where people.

Also I think as a race POC whether Indians, blacks or Chinese are definitely less welcoming to other Races entering their friend circles than white races.

Jusr my experience

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Black people are usually racist bc they think they cannot be racist because of their history

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Asian/South Asians are the worst when it comes to accent racism, they will call anyone without American or British accent fobs but would complain when someone in Pakistan or India makes fun of their accent in Urdu/Hindi plus the regional accents.

You would never see white people making fun of a German or French white people's English accent whereas Asian people are hellbent on making fun of their own people's English accent.

 

[TestMatch]

Everyone can be racist.

No group is immune to it, and no one has a monopoly on it.

I am white but my parents job required me to attend school in the West Indies for many years. I saw so many bizarre overlapping forms of racism. Some whites looked down on the blacks and the Indo-Caribbean folk. The Indos looked down on the blacks and whites. The blacks looked down on the whites and Indos. Or the Indos looked down on one but not the other, and vice versa.

As a white person, in that part of the world, I noticed it was the younger generations who were cool with me. Black and Indian kids didn't care if I was white, and generally weren't racist to each other. Meanwhile their parents carried much animosity toward different groups.

Recently, with the rise of social media, and politicians using tactics to divide and conquer, many forms of hate are being used to entrench class and power (and corporate) interests. I think it will get worse.

We need to recognize the class commonalities which bind us, recognize racism as a horrible thing, and not fall into the trap of dehumanizing groups based on the racist behaviors of individuals. In this thread, for example, you already see people biologically essentializing people, and so promoting racist thinking (ie people saying "black people are USUALLY racist" etc). Behavior is always a product of material, socioeconomic and historical pressures.

 

[Suleiman]

Yep, experienced more racism from Arabs than whites. Huge difference.

 

[Giannis]

Yeah some middle age/old aged indians made fun of my name, it even sounds more American than their names but I guess they didn't like that it's an Arabic name. Indians despise Arabs.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Everyone can be racist.

No group is immune to it, and no one has a monopoly on it.

I am white but my parents job required me to attend school in the West Indies for many years. I saw so many bizarre overlapping forms of racism. Some whites looked down on the blacks and the Indo-Caribbean folk. The Indos looked down on the blacks and whites. The blacks looked down on the whites and Indos. Or the Indos looked down on one but not the other, and vice versa.

As a white person, in that part of the world, I noticed it was the younger generations who were cool with me. Black and Indian kids didn't care if I was white, and generally weren't racist to each other. Meanwhile their parents carried much animosity toward different groups.

Recently, with the rise of social media, and politicians using tactics to divide and conquer, many forms of hate are being used to entrench class and power (and corporate) interests. I think it will get worse.

We need to recognize the class commonalities which bind us, recognize racism as a horrible thing, and not fall into the trap of dehumanizing groups based on the racist behaviors of individuals. In this thread, for example, you already see people biologically essentializing people, and so promoting racist thinking (ie people saying "black people are USUALLY racist" etc). Behavior is always a product of material, socioeconomic and historical pressures.

Rather than attacking me personally, you need to understand where I'm coming from. I have faced accent discrimination from only POCs and not white people, instead white people are the ones who commend me for having a stronghold on English despite it not being my first language whereas if I talk to a British Asian or Black person, they would make fun of my accent and ask me to go back where I came from and you are wrong once again in saying that younger people are the ones who are cool when instead its usually the younger people who have been racist to me. I was so embarrassed of my accent that I would pretend to be mute rather than speaking a word of English so please think before you start mud slinging.

 

[Giannis]

Asian/South Asians are the worst when it comes to accent racism, they will call anyone without American or British accent fobs but would complain when someone in Pakistan or India makes fun of their accent in Urdu/Hindi plus the regional accents.

You would never see white people making fun of a German or French white people's English accent whereas Asian people are hellbent on making fun of their own people's English accent.

Naah Pakisanis and Indians are worse, we still tolerate Desi accents and y'all have no trouble getting jobs here as professors and in other fields despite your accent but American and British-born Pakistanis get bullied in Pakistan for just speaking urdu with a slight accent, even old heads over the age of 30 in Pakistan lack the maturity to accept other accents. Pakistanis and Indians can't accept anyone that doesn't speak their language(s) in the local accent.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Naah Pakisanis and Indians are worse, we still tolerate Desi accents and y'all have no trouble getting jobs here as professors and in other fields despite your accent but American and British-born Pakistanis get bullied in Pakistan for just speaking urdu with a slight accent, even old heads over the age of 30 in Pakistan lack the maturity to accept other accents. Pakistanis and Indians can't accept anyone that doesn't speak their language(s) in the local accent.

Not really. People in Pakistan and India do not make fun of someones inability to speak proper Urdu or Hindi solely because it means that they are from a foreign country and are more likely to be rich (according to them) and the hell are you talking about LMAO, even most youngsters in Pakistan and India especiallly the rich elites one hardly speak in Urdu anymore.

I don't know where are you getting your facts from because most people and companies in Pakistan and India would prefer someone who can speak proper English rather than proper Urdu/Hindi. This discrimination exists in every field

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rather than attacking me personally, you need to understand where I'm coming from. I have faced accent discrimination from only POCs and not white people, instead white people are the ones who commend me for having a stronghold on English despite it not being my first language whereas if I talk to a British Asian or Black person, they would make fun of my accent and ask me to go back where I came from and you are wrong once again in saying that younger people are the ones who are cool when instead its usually the younger people who have been racist to me. I was so embarrassed of my accent that I would pretend to be mute rather than speaking a word of English so please think before you start mud slinging.

Are you in high school?

You wont experience this much when you get older or go to uni.

Also the bullying you are facing seems quite severe. I have seen people make fun of accents but its usually in jest rather than what you are describing. Hopefully when you surroung yourself among more educated people some of the bullying will stop.

You will get your own back on these dimwits one day.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Are you in high school?

You wont experience this much when you get older or go to uni.

Also the bullying you are facing seems quite severe. I have seen people make fun of accents but its usually in jest rather than what you are describing. Hopefully when you surroung yourself among more educated people some of the bullying will stop.

You will get your own back on these dimwits one day.

I have graduated from the university. I faced the same thing in university, its the millennials (I'm a millennial kid too) who have romanticized accents and I agree that I would probably not face such experiences in professional life.

 

[guna]

Racists come in all colors and nations.

I personally feel that outside of whites blacks are more racist towards desis. Some south East Asians are also racist towards South Indians.

I still believe that racism is overblown by the media. It is used as a great tool to polarize people.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Rather than attacking me personally, you need to understand where I'm coming from. I have faced accent discrimination from only POCs and not white people, instead white people are the ones who commend me for having a stronghold on English despite it not being my first language whereas if I talk to a British Asian or Black person, they would make fun of my accent and ask me to go back where I came from and you are wrong once again in saying that younger people are the ones who are cool when instead its usually the younger people who have been racist to me. I was so embarrassed of my accent that I would pretend to be mute rather than speaking a word of English so please think before you start mud slinging.

Racism comes in all forms and shapes. Sorry to hear about your experience. I thought the younger generation would be better given the exposure they have to the world now because of the internet.

If someone is trying to make fun of the accent, just politely say that language is just a medium and hopefully you are able to understand me.
Do it in a public context and in front of other people. I used this as a mechanism also, when some of the words I say in English were used to make fun of me. Sometimes for some words there was a bit of Punjabi twang, which improved with time as I travelled more. This made the person mocking aware and they did not repeat it again.

But, if someone is consistently mocking, that person is a bully and just stay away from them.

In professional life, these things can come but they are bit more subtle with some micro aggressions.. Like, Oh.. How did you learn English when you are from a remote town of India etc. Just learn to understand the tone and context. Overall, People are mostly nice. Good luck.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Accent racism is one of the major reasons I would not encourage young people to go to UK for living. The accent discrimination especially from the youngsters is pathetic and usually it is from the BAME. America is much better in the sense because American accent is easy to emulate and they have far more recent immigrants so you would not feel left out if some wasteman keeps on saying 'innit' after every second.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, only racism I ever faced was from white people, and that is usually indirect as well.

I can imagine if I was dark skinned then I might see it more, or if I had a desi accent maybe.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Accent racism is one of the major reasons I would not encourage young people to go to UK for living. The accent discrimination especially from the youngsters is pathetic and usually it is from the BAME. America is much better in the sense because American accent is easy to emulate and they have far more recent immigrants so you would not feel left out if some wasteman keeps on saying 'innit' after every second.

For Pakistani/ Indians who make fun of accents - ask them how their parents speak. I have seen first hand how it usually shuts them up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't know about other countries but the mocking of desi accents is a roll on effect from whites doing it. When I was a kid there were tv programmes like It ain't half hot Mum, and Mind your Language where Indian characters were often presented as buffoons and the accent would reflect this, e.g., "vun tousand appalagies Sir!"

If desis are making fun of the accents now then I guess they must have some colonial hangover. Can't say I have ever seen it, would not really make much sense.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Accent racism is one of the major reasons I would not encourage young people to go to UK for living. The accent discrimination especially from the youngsters is pathetic and usually it is from the BAME. America is much better in the sense because American accent is easy to emulate and they have far more recent immigrants so you would not feel left out if some wasteman keeps on saying 'innit' after every second.

Umm...I would think that's mocking of accents in itself.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Don't know about other countries but the mocking of desi accents is a roll on effect from whites doing it. When I was a kid there were tv programmes like It ain't half hot Mum, and Mind your Language where Indian characters were often presented as buffoons and the accent would reflect this, e.g., "vun tousand appalagies Sir!"

If desis are making fun of the accents now then I guess they must have some colonial hangover. Can't say I have ever seen it, would not really make much sense.

The difference is that white people acknowledge their racist behavior and have learned from it and are way more cautious and paranoid than POCs who think them having an accent is something which makes them superior over others which is surprising because even their own parents usually got desi accents.

 

[Stewie]

What does POC stand for?

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

What does POC stand for?

People of color.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The difference is that white people acknowledge their racist behavior and have learned from it and are way more cautious and paranoid than POCs who think them having an accent is something which makes them superior over others which is surprising because even their own parents usually got desi accents.

I really never heard POCs mocking ethnic accents so all seems very strange to me. White people have a long history of multiculturalism so they have learned to start dealing with generations of POCs living here. I would imagine if India or Pakistan ever became multicultural countries they would get to that stage as well at some point. At the moment they can't even organise safe wiring for electricity in homes with them being third world countries.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

I really never heard POCs mocking ethnic accents so all seems very strange to me. White people have a long history of multiculturalism so they have learned to start dealing with generations of POCs living here. I would imagine if India or Pakistan ever became multicultural countries they would get to that stage as well at some point. At the moment they can't even organise safe wiring for electricity in homes with them being third world countries.

You saying that accent discrimination doesn’t exist among Asians is like white people saying that racism doesn’t exist.

 

[Stewie]

In the US I saw it a lot with ABCDs making fun of fresh off the boat students at the university, back in the day. I don’t know if that still goes on because the FOBS severely overwhelm the ABCDs now so to speak, LOL.

But we always found the South Indian accents hilarious, and I say that without any racist undertones. We were all friends and used to joke with the South Indians amongst us “yanni thing for lunch” I’m hungry ..

Pathan and serdar jokes were ok, but it’s a bunch of guys shooting sh** anything goes. There was no malice or hatred of any sort at all…

 

[PetroDollars]

i remember during 9/11 days while at achool, it was the blacks who use to make fun of muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You saying that accent discrimination doesn’t exist among Asians is like white people saying that racism doesn’t exist.

I said I hadn't seen it so it seems strange to me, not that it doesn't exist. Freshies do get mocked, not specifically because of accent though, although it might depend where you are from. In any case it's an ignorant attitude, shows a lack of class to be honest.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Asian/South Asians are the worst when it comes to accent racism, they will call anyone without American or British accent fobs but would complain when someone in Pakistan or India makes fun of their accent in Urdu/Hindi plus the regional accents.

You would never see white people making fun of a German or French white people's English accent whereas Asian people are hellbent on making fun of their own people's English accent.

Among Western born Pakistanis, I have seen this attitude only among females. Many of them dislike the Pakistani English accent. However I have never seen one man ever complain about this.

On the other hand i have seen both Pakistani men and women make fun of the Urdu accent of people who were born and bred abroad.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Naah Pakisanis and Indians are worse, we still tolerate Desi accents and y'all have no trouble getting jobs here as professors and in other fields despite your accent but American and British-born Pakistanis get bullied in Pakistan for just speaking urdu with a slight accent, even old heads over the age of 30 in Pakistan lack the maturity to accept other accents. Pakistanis and Indians can't accept anyone that doesn't speak their language(s) in the local accent.

Yes i have seen this myself. Among my cousins who were born and bred in the west they have been ridiculed for their Urdu accent.

 

[TestMatch]

The difference is that white people acknowledge their racist behavior and have learned from it and are way more cautious and paranoid than POCs who think them having an accent is something which makes them superior over others which is surprising because even their own parents usually got desi accents.

You are still stereotyping entire groups of people and making blanket statements ("white people acknowledge their racist behavior", "POC people are more racist" etc) based on narrow experiences. There are countless places where the precise opposite is true. We shouldn't talk about these issues using absolutist terms.

Look how different your paragraph reads if you insert a few less absolutist words:

"In many places, white people acknowledge their racist behavior and have learned from it and are way more cautious and paranoid. In contrast, most POCs who I've met think that having an accent is something which makes them superior over others, which is surprising because even their own parents usually got desi accents."

I don't mean to be rude, or pick on you my friend, and 100 percent sympathize with your experiences (and have seen such bullying myself among st various different gruops). But absolutist thinking, and narratives, leads only to dark places, and only perpetuates problems. We must be nuanced.

 

[OMB]

Everyone can be racist.

No group is immune to it, and no one has a monopoly on it.

I am white but my parents job required me to attend school in the West Indies for many years. I saw so many bizarre overlapping forms of racism. Some whites looked down on the blacks and the Indo-Caribbean folk. The Indos looked down on the blacks and whites. The blacks looked down on the whites and Indos. Or the Indos looked down on one but not the other, and vice versa.

As a white person, in that part of the world, I noticed it was the younger generations who were cool with me. Black and Indian kids didn't care if I was white, and generally weren't racist to each other. Meanwhile their parents carried much animosity toward different groups.

Recently, with the rise of social media, and politicians using tactics to divide and conquer, many forms of hate are being used to entrench class and power (and corporate) interests. I think it will get worse.

We need to recognize the class commonalities which bind us, recognize racism as a horrible thing, and not fall into the trap of dehumanizing groups based on the racist behaviors of individuals. In this thread, for example, you already see people biologically essentializing people, and so promoting racist thinking (ie people saying "black people are USUALLY racist" etc). Behavior is always a product of material, socioeconomic and historical pressures.

by Indos I guess you mean all subcontinental species?

 

[rockyboy2018]

All the time in Germany - given three years the kind of racism I faced by German men and women - was appalling. In terms of incidents, no doubt that Germans are the most racist and right in your face they display it. They make sure that "guests" like South Asians and Africans when they leave Germany, will not have any second doubts about their behavior. Your "money" is welcome but "you" are not welcome. Traveling to the USA from London - all Muslim passengers went through a special screening (their laptops were checked, special questions were asked about the purpose of their trip)before boarding American airlines and in contrast, all-white passengers were exempt.
Again, growing in South Asian countries being kids you already copped with enough verbal and emotional abuse their racist behavior sounds like an act of"comedy".
Well, at the end of the day - you experience a new mentality outside Pakistan and you realize that the whole world is a kind of messed up place. And, Humans are the same breed. My shi t is awesome but your sh it is bad , however, everyone's shi t is the same

 

[MenInG]

I have never faced any racism at work/street or anywhere from ANYONE in UK/Canada/US/Pakistan/Middle-east

And I don't think my story is that rare.

That does not mean that racism (systemic as well) doesn't exist in this world!

 

[The_KING]

From my experience living in the UK, white people are the least racist. The most racist are the fellow Pakistanis followed by the blacks. But of course, BLM losers would disagree with me.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Yeah. A good amount while I was studying in the UK for a year. Never faced it once in Canada despite spending 4 years there during university. Not saying it doesn’t happen in Canada because it most definitely does. Just that I haven’t faced any.

 

[IAJ]

I was travelling in an nyc subway, a black man sitting across from me in a crowded train, was staring at me, and all of a sudden he goes, you guys should go back to Asia.
After an initial shock of a second, I replied “and you should go back to Africa”

Also, met a few Arabs who firmly believed that you can’t be a Muslim if you are an Arab to begin with.

Lol, seriously?

 

[PakLFC]

Black people seem to think they can tell others where to go. Have had a few incidents when I have reminded them to go back to Africa as well.

 

[Saj]

I recently attended 4 of Pakistan's matches in England - some very interesting incidents to speak about.

I've put it in writing, will publish it soon.

 

[PakLFC]

Black lives matter movement should be put to rest now. It has had little effect on tackling racism, it suggests only black people are victims off discrimination. Seems to be saying it is okay to racially abuse other minorities like browns and Chinese. Blacks play this up now by making a fuss about everything like when they are rightfully charged of any crime or fail a job interview "racism" is always their answer. So their crimes and gang culture should be allowed and go unpunished only then will they be happy. Face facts, black people are rightfully associated with gang culture and crime almost everywhere in the west. I would confidentially go back to Asia/Pakistan rather then Africa after giving them a lift on the way. Most black people especially in America don't even know their country of ethnicity.