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Mahdi is a myth. He has not been mentioned in the Holy Quran. He is not even mentioned in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Even his role does not make any sense if you logically look at the end times "story". One more fun fact, Shias who believe that their 12th Imam aka Imam Mahdi is in some hiding is the son of their 11th Imam who as per historical sources did not even had a son.

When you look into the myth of Mahdi, the whole Shia sect falls apart.

By the way, even Jesus is not coming back. As per the Holy Quran, he has died.

Look at Ghamdi's videos about both topics. Muslims have corrupted their understanding of end of times due to the over reliance on man recorded Ahadith which were themselves corrupted by the books of other religions and falsification.

Jesus did not die according to Islam. It was mase to appear as though he died. Someone else was put in his place. Jesus was lifted to heaven as per Islam.

Christians believe Jesus died on the cross. Their whole religion is based on Jesus dying on the cross.
 
Mahdi is a myth. He has not been mentioned in the Holy Quran. He is not even mentioned in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Even his role does not make any sense if you logically look at the end times "story". One more fun fact, Shias who believe that their 12th Imam aka Imam Mahdi is in some hiding is the son of their 11th Imam who as per historical sources did not even had a son.

When you look into the myth of Mahdi, the whole Shia sect falls apart.

By the way, even Jesus is not coming back. As per the Holy Quran, he has died.

Look at Ghamdi's videos about both topics. Muslims have corrupted their understanding of end of times due to the over reliance on man recorded Ahadith which were themselves corrupted by the books of other religions and falsification.

Ghamdi is not a scholar but more of a propaganda promoted to modernize Islam. He has no credibility. He is a guy molded by philosophers who inserts his philosophy everywhere. According to him every animal is halal apart from pork.

Mahdi is not a myth. And Jesus did not die according to Quran. It's clearly written in it. Think you're only uttering what Hamza Ali Abbasi recently posted with utmost confidence who went to learn religion from Ghamdi to find a halal celebrity "Islam" of living.

I am not a follower of Shiite faith so I don't know for sure as to what they really believe in terms of Mahdi. Cause the twelver Imam followers are one of the sub sects of Shiites. Not all of their sects believe in that ideology. A lot of Shias I have met have a very similar faith to what a lot of Sunnis believe in.

Even with that there's a lot of sub sects of Sunnis. There's a lot sub sects that divide the followers in every religion.
 
Jesus did not die according to Islam. It was mase to appear as though he died. Someone else was put in his place. Jesus was lifted to heaven as per Islam.

Christians believe Jesus died on the cross. Their whole religion is based on Jesus dying on the cross.

Ghamdi is not a scholar but more of a propaganda promoted to modernize Islam. He has no credibility. He is a guy molded by philosophers who inserts his philosophy everywhere. According to him every animal is halal apart from pork.

Mahdi is not a myth. And Jesus did not die according to Quran. It's clearly written in it. Think you're only uttering what Hamza Ali Abbasi recently posted with utmost confidence who went to learn religion from Ghamdi to find a halal celebrity "Islam" of living.

I am not a follower of Shiite faith so I don't know for sure as to what they really believe in terms of Mahdi. Cause the twelver Imam followers are one of the sub sects of Shiites. Not all of their sects believe in that ideology. A lot of Shias I have met have a very similar faith to what a lot of Sunnis believe in.

Even with that there's a lot of sub sects of Sunnis. There's a lot sub sects that divide the followers in every religion.

I would request both of you to let go of the childhood stories that our parents taught us after hearing it from local mullahs. Lot of things which you take as "stock islam" have in actual no roots in Islam and the Holy Quran. Bunny Rabbit, your behavior, is a classic example of a guy who called Ghamdi a "propoganda promoter" just because he does not likes his false views to be corrected. If you want to look at religion and understand it truly, you need to let go of your beliefs that you have held on so strong your whole life even though they could be absolutely wrong.

It is not just Ghamdi, but Allama Iqbal as well who does not believe in the second coming of Jesus. It is purely because it is rooted in the Holy Quran.

Now, read this:

“And when Allah will say, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, “Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?”’, he will answer, ‘Holy art Thou. I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things. I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me – “Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.’” (Surah al-Maidah: Ch.5: V.117-118)

In this brief statement, Jesusas takes full responsibility for his community while he was alive and a guardian over them. He assures Allah the Almighty that for as long as he was present among his people, he ensured that they followed the right path, and believed in only one God.

However, in the next part of his response, Jesusas states that he cannot be held responsible for his people’s misguidance after Allah caused him to die, because he was no longer among them to correct their false beliefs.

Jesusas explains his lack of knowledge in regard to what transpired following his demise and states, “[O Allah,] Since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them.”

This clearly shows that Jesus ONLY came to the world once and not TWICE. Read more here: https://www.alhakam.org/proving-the-death-of-jesus-from-the-holy-quran-surah-al-maidah-and-tawaffa/

I am sure you are shook, and if you are not and still think that people like Ghamdi are only promoting propoganda then you are allowed to wallow in your well of ignorance and engage in your fun end of time lord of the rings stories! :)

Now coming back to Mahdi, did you know Hazrat Ali had a third son as well who outlive both Hassan and Husayn? Bet you didnt know that, did you? Did you know when was the first time, the term "Mahdi" was coined. It was FOR HIM.

"Ibn al-Hanafiyya was called "the Mahdi," "the rightly-guided," which then was simply a pledge of confidence in his knowledge, character, and judgment over those of the rival caliphs. In 692 he traveled to Damascus and swore allegiance to Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.[8] In 700 he died in Medina, but thereafter a legend grew up that he was not dead, but living in seclusion on Mount Radwa near Medina, protected and fed by wild animals, and that he would, in God's good time, return to establish justice and true religion in the world. Thus arose the legend of the Mahdi as savior"

Bunny, you are not a Shia but a lot of Mahdi and black flag Ahadith you hear are the fabrications of the Abbasids. Thats why i request you to read Islamic history and not your local mullahs drivel.

Mahdi is nothing but a fabrication of Abbasids to consolidate their power as they literally house arrested the last two known descendants of the Prophet (the 10th and 11th Shia Imam) and then the latter 'scholars' adopted the Mahdi concept and mixed it with Jewish and Christian beliefs resulting in the modern Mahdi and Dajjal concept.

Sorry to you, and all of those engaging in mindless end of times stories. I am sure they are fun to engage in but have no relevance to actual Islam.
 
^ I do not believe in any of this. I was only replying to the poster who said Jesus died on the cross. That is Christian belief and not Islamic.

Surah al-Maidah: Ch.5: V.117-118, opens a huge can of worms for me. It says God knows the future. Which means God knows what will happen in the future. So life is a test is a meaningless exercise. But that is for a whole another discussion.
 
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] wanted to share this thing with you. apparently it has been circling around on twitter for quite a few months now and this guy has developed (whether bots or real) some sort of following who are apparently calling him to be Mahdi. I do not believe him. Seems more like fitna to me. Plus the guy claims to be defending Muslims when in ahadith, Mahdi is told to bear a name Mohammad Bin Abdullah and he would be reluctant to take the leadership baton till an eventual time when Muslims will take bait on his hand in Saudia and pledge to fight alongside him.

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/muhammad-qasim-divine-dreams-hit-020821382.html

https://divinedreams.co/

Yup. Seems like a deviant figure.

We are living in the age of fitnah.
 
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Yup. Seems like a deviant figure.

We are living in the age of fitnah.

Its all because most Muslims have their faith corrupted by fairy tales of some guy called Mahdi and Isa’s second return. Both which are not happening/dont exist as per real Islam! :)
 
^ I do not believe in any of this. I was only replying to the poster who said Jesus died on the cross. That is Christian belief and not Islamic.

Surah al-Maidah: Ch.5: V.117-118, opens a huge can of worms for me. It says God knows the future. Which means God knows what will happen in the future. So life is a test is a meaningless exercise. But that is for a whole another discussion.

You dont believe in Mahdi or the second coming of Isa, right?
 
Yup. Seems like a deviant figure.

We are living in the age of fitnah.

IMO, the whole region of Pak-India-Ban-Nepal-Bhutan-Maldives etc has been so insignificant in terms of Islamic history. Not a single prophet of this area has ever been mentioned. I hope of the 1,24,000 prophets, some would definitely have had come to this area. But all that I have seen and studied till now is that this region is just for fitna and only bad stuff comes out of here.

The only historical place of significance in South Asia are the foot marks of Adam (A.S) in Sri Lanka where he is believed to have had landed on the Earth. Atop the mountains in a scenic view.
 
Its all because most Muslims have their faith corrupted by fairy tales of some guy called Mahdi and Isa’s second return. Both which are not happening/dont exist as per real Islam! :)

As a Muslim, do you not believe in 2nd coming of Jesus (PBUH)?

I am sorry but your viewpoint is in the minority. Mainstream Islamic position is Jesus (PBUH) will return and he will kill Dajjal.
 
IMO, the whole region of Pak-India-Ban-Nepal-Bhutan-Maldives etc has been so insignificant in terms of Islamic history. Not a single prophet of this area has ever been mentioned. I hope of the 1,24,000 prophets, some would definitely have had come to this area. But all that I have seen and studied till now is that this region is just for fitna and only bad stuff comes out of here.

The only historical place of significance in South Asia are the foot marks of Adam (A.S) in Sri Lanka where he is believed to have had landed on the Earth. Atop the mountains in a scenic view.

Yes. Subcontinent has many deviant figures. Ahmadiyya was started in India, for example.

This is why we have to be careful who we take knowledge from. I generally listen to preachers who are in sync with mainstream Islamic positions. My favorite preachers are Omer Suleiman, Mufti Menk, Muhammad Salah, Mohammad Hoblos, and Assim AlHakeem.
 
^ I do not believe in any of this. I was only replying to the poster who said Jesus died on the cross. That is Christian belief and not Islamic.

Surah al-Maidah: Ch.5: V.117-118, opens a huge can of worms for me. It says God knows the future. Which means God knows what will happen in the future. So life is a test is a meaningless exercise. But that is for a whole another discussion.

off topic -

i know you are NOT looking for answers, but this might help you little bit.

with english sub .

Best explanation of Masla e Taqdeer (Predestination) by Dr Ghulam Murtaza Malik


 
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IMO, the whole region of Pak-India-Ban-Nepal-Bhutan-Maldives etc has been so insignificant in terms of Islamic history. Not a single prophet of this area has ever been mentioned. I hope of the 1,24,000 prophets, some would definitely have had come to this area. But all that I have seen and studied till now is that this region is just for fitna and only bad stuff comes out of here.

The only historical place of significance in South Asia are the foot marks of Adam (A.S) in Sri Lanka where he is believed to have had landed on the Earth. Atop the mountains in a scenic view.

The number of prophets send is weak hadeeth , Allah swt says in the Quran he send messengers to every nation , not countries. Number is not confirmed.

Also , do you not think that Allah swt must have send messengers to every part , otherwise it would be wrong to punish people for eternity without sending knowledge ?
 
Mahdi is a myth. He has not been mentioned in the Holy Quran. He is not even mentioned in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Even his role does not make any sense if you logically look at the end times "story". One more fun fact, Shias who believe that their 12th Imam aka Imam Mahdi is in some hiding is the son of their 11th Imam who as per historical sources did not even had a son.

When you look into the myth of Mahdi, the whole Shia sect falls apart.

By the way, even Jesus is not coming back. As per the Holy Quran, he has died.

Look at Ghamdi's videos about both topics. Muslims have corrupted their understanding of end of times due to the over reliance on man recorded Ahadith which were themselves corrupted by the books of other religions and falsification.

There are many things which have not been mentioned in the Quran , should we reject all that?

For a hadeeth to be authentic we need to look at the chain of narration , not in which book it is. Bukhari and Muslim both took hadeeth from previous hadeeth books.

If shia consider Imam to be hiding , if that surprises you , you think Allah cannot do that ? The incidence of seven youth sleeping in cave is part of quran . They were inside for several years. How you believe in that?

Ghamdi has no parameters , he accepts what he wants , he rejects the same muhaddith and narrators when he does not want to. He is simply an attention seeker nothing else.
 
The number of prophets send is weak hadeeth , Allah swt says in the Quran he send messengers to every nation , not countries. Number is not confirmed.

Also , do you not think that Allah swt must have send messengers to every part , otherwise it would be wrong to punish people for eternity without sending knowledge ?

Yes I do believe messengers were sent to every part. I was saying that in present, we don't know of the name of the prophet that was sent here or any of the past or future events to happen here. Like middle east is full of places of historical significance and places where a lot of events are going occur.
 
Yes. Subcontinent has many deviant figures. Ahmadiyya was started in India, for example.

This is why we have to be careful who we take knowledge from. I generally listen to preachers who are in sync with mainstream Islamic positions. My favorite preachers are Omer Suleiman, Mufti Menk, Muhammad Salah, Mohammad Hoblos, and Assim AlHakeem.

I used to listen to Dr Israr's lectures a lot. They were very well explained. Youtube deleted his channel last year i think.
 
Yes I do believe messengers were sent to every part. I was saying that in present, we don't know of the name of the prophet that was sent here or any of the past or future events to happen here. Like middle east is full of places of historical significance and places where a lot of events are going occur.

There were no messengers that were sent to India that confirm to Abrahamic Idea of God. All great philosophers, religious leaders, cult figures are very well documented in India. Yet no trace of anyone preaching Yahweh/Allah or no mention of Kaba or Adam.
 
There were no messengers that were sent to India that confirm to Abrahamic Idea of God. All great philosophers, religious leaders, cult figures are very well documented in India. Yet no trace of anyone preaching Yahweh/Allah or no mention of Kaba or Adam.

The seal of prophets ended with Muhammad (SAW) and the human population is well over 2000 years. There's a good chance civilizations may have been destroyed and stuff. Like the ruins found in Mohenjdaro and Harappa. We don't have the entire human history known or documented.
 
The seal of prophets ended with Muhammad (SAW) and the human population is well over 2000 years. There's a good chance civilizations may have been destroyed and stuff. Like the ruins found in Mohenjdaro and Harappa. We don't have the entire human history known or documented.

Indian history is well over 5000 years old and there was no messenger sent to India. The first encounter that India had with Abrahamic faith was when Apostle Thomas made his way to South India and established the first church. Until then no one in India knew what Abrahamic monotheism was.

Mohenjadaro and Harappa had deities and it can be seen in their carvings. No Monotheism there. Abrahamic idea of God was strictly restricted to a small portiion of Middle East. Just a few thousand or million Jews following it. It did not spread until Romans adopted Christianity and spread it to all parts of Europe. Europeans in turn spread it Subsaharan Africa and South America. Then Islam came and spread Islam to Asia and Middle East.

There was no record any Abrahamic God in Subcontinent until 54 AD when Thomas the Apostle found his way to Kerala.
 
There was no record any Abrahamic God in Subcontinent until 54 AD when Thomas the Apostle found his way to Kerala.

Just because there isn't any record doesn't mean it cannot exist. Have you considered the idea the record got lost maybe?
 
Just because there isn't any record doesn't mean it cannot exist. Have you considered the idea the record got lost maybe?

This is same as Hindutva people claiming that Pre-Islamic Arab polytheists prayed to a form of Hindu God Shiva. They cannot produce an ounce of evidence for it. When asked about it, they say, it may not be preserved.
 
Yes I do believe messengers were sent to every part. I was saying that in present, we don't know of the name of the prophet that was sent here or any of the past or future events to happen here. Like middle east is full of places of historical significance and places where a lot of events are going occur.

Yes we do not know.

But there is no requirement also , Muhammad SAW is the final messenger , and previous messages have been abrogated .
 
There were no messengers that were sent to India that confirm to Abrahamic Idea of God. All great philosophers, religious leaders, cult figures are very well documented in India. Yet no trace of anyone preaching Yahweh/Allah or no mention of Kaba or Adam.

Those books have been altered .

One Hindu scholar himself personally told me , while I was discussing religion with him. When I talked about Vedas , he told me he does not believe they are in true form , and he considers ( not opinion of every hindu ) , that it was written by sages long back and there is no way its origins and chain can be traced back.
 
Subhanallah. This is why we should take adhkar and salah seriously.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], check this out.

Interesting.

Evil & darkness find it easier to attack to those already on such paths. Muslims who are sincere believers are protected against this.

Is there any detailed information on Dajjals magic? It seems many celebs esp in the music and film industries are in some sort of trance many a time.
 

Looks possessed this woman. Her images, music videos are all Dajjal littered, the one eye is everywhere with Egyptian symbols. She was also one of the first big female popstars to promote lesbianism.
 

Looks possessed this woman. Her images, music videos are all Dajjal littered, the one eye is everywhere with Egyptian symbols. She was also one of the first big female popstars to promote lesbianism.

Yup. Quite creepy.

Check this video out:


It seems like she was hinting at something here.
 
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Katy perry possessed because of a muscle spasm in her eye :))) :)))
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] check this out
 
Katy perry possessed because of a muscle spasm in her eye :))) :)))
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] check this out

Looks like you haven't read much about these stuffs.

Many celebrities in Hollywood are allegedly involved with occult stuffs. Many symbolisms (one eye, pyramid etc.).
 
Looks like you haven't read much about these stuffs.

Many celebrities in Hollywood are allegedly involved with occult stuffs. Many symbolisms (one eye, pyramid etc.).

lol the illuminati stuff that every naïve person believes in. And the Eye of Providence that dumb people try to derive meaning from.

sure
 
Interesting.

Evil & darkness find it easier to attack to those already on such paths. Muslims who are sincere believers are protected against this.

Is there any detailed information on Dajjals magic? It seems many celebs esp in the music and film industries are in some sort of trance many a time.

Don't think any human can decipher Dajjal's magic or powers. It's been warned about and called as the would-be biggest and most powerful fitna ever.

One thing that will be absolute is not many people would be able to know what sort of world they would be living in as in the reality would be blurred.
 
As much as I want to see the might of Isa (the only Prophet we might have a chance to see and witness miracles), I don't want to be in era of Dajjal as I don't think want to be among the misled.
 
Katy perry possessed because of a muscle spasm in her eye :))) :)))
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] check this out

Prophet Isa (AS) is not coming back. He is dead. All prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT) were human beings and like all human beings, he died. Moreover, no such individuals as Imam Mahdi and Dajjal will arrive. These are all metaphorical stories.

People have been waiting for these events for a thousand years and they will still be waiting in a thousand years. It will not happen.

Eventually, the world will end and human beings will go extinct. It will be a natural phenomenon that happened 65 million years ago too and wiped the dinosaurs out. Our world will end too while people would be waiting for Prophet Isa AS to return and Imam Mahdi and Dajjal to emerge.
 
Prophet Isa (AS) is not coming back. He is dead. All prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT) were human beings and like all human beings, he died. Moreover, no such individuals as Imam Mahdi and Dajjal will arrive. These are all metaphorical stories.

People have been waiting for these events for a thousand years and they will still be waiting in a thousand years. It will not happen.

Eventually, the world will end and human beings will go extinct. It will be a natural phenomenon that happened 65 million years ago too and wiped the dinosaurs out. Our world will end too while people would be waiting for Prophet Isa AS to return and Imam Mahdi and Dajjal to emerge.

Prophet Isa (PBUH) was taken up alive. He would return and die a natural death. That's the mainstream Islamic position regarding Isa (PBUH). Your view is not the mainstream view (with all due respect).
 
Prophet Isa (PBUH) was taken up alive. He would return and die a natural death. That's the mainstream Islamic position regarding Isa (PBUH). Your view is not the mainstream view (with all due respect).

For your faith’s sake, I hope he “returns” in your lifetime.
 
Prophet Isa (AS) is not coming back. He is dead. All prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT) were human beings and like all human beings, he died. Moreover, no such individuals as Imam Mahdi and Dajjal will arrive. These are all metaphorical stories.

People have been waiting for these events for a thousand years and they will still be waiting in a thousand years. It will not happen.

Eventually, the world will end and human beings will go extinct. It will be a natural phenomenon that happened 65 million years ago too and wiped the dinosaurs out. Our world will end too while people would be waiting for Prophet Isa AS to return and Imam Mahdi and Dajjal to emerge.

Very true
 
Always wondered how will people start following Dajjal as there leader but than I see how muslims go ctazy about andrew tate and take him as a true representative of Islam due to his misogynist views, than that answers my question
 
Looks like you haven't read much about these stuffs.

Many celebrities in Hollywood are allegedly involved with occult stuffs. Many symbolisms (one eye, pyramid etc.).

They are just playing with occult / Masonic imagery to get attention. They recognise the conspiracy theory and use it, play up to it. Clearly it is working for them.

I found a moment in the animated show Bojack Horseman quite funny where a young pop star tells her media team to put out lots of Illuminati imagery.
 
For your faith’s sake, I hope he “returns” in your lifetime.

If you do not believe in miracles , then you do not believe in Quran itself , because there are several miracles in it. Even Isa AS birth is also a miracle.
 
Prophet Isa (PBUH) was taken up alive. He would return and die a natural death. That's the mainstream Islamic position regarding Isa (PBUH). Your view is not the mainstream view (with all due respect).

So Jesus is still alive then unlike all Prophets who tasted death. Only God is eternal unlike humans.
 
So Jesus is still alive then unlike all Prophets who tasted death. Only God is eternal unlike humans.

Eternal means someone who will never taste death , Isa AS will comeback and then die a natural death. Even Iblis is still alive , he was made much before even Adam , that does not mean he will never die.
 
Eternal means someone who will never taste death , Isa AS will comeback and then die a natural death. Even Iblis is still alive , he was made much before even Adam , that does not mean he will never die.

He is already over 2000 yrs old. He is not coming back. God will not let his Son die again.
 
He is already over 2000 yrs old. He is not coming back. God will not let his Son die again.

Son?

Jesus (PBUH) is not the son of God. He was a Prophet. Do not hijack this thread with nonsense.
 
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He is already over 2000 yrs old. He is not coming back. God will not let his Son die again.

Firstly , there is a incident of people of caves , where the men inside were sleeping for hundreds of years , how was that possible ?

Secondly , even if you claim Jesus was dead , can Allah swt not make him alive again ? If he can make alive millions on the day of judgement , why he cannot make one person alive ?

You need to understand Jesus was not an ordinary person , he was born without father.
 
Prophet Isa (AS) is not coming back. He is dead. All prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT) were human beings and like all human beings, he died. Moreover, no such individuals as Imam Mahdi and Dajjal will arrive. These are all metaphorical stories.

People have been waiting for these events for a thousand years and they will still be waiting in a thousand years. It will not happen.

Eventually, the world will end and human beings will go extinct. It will be a natural phenomenon that happened 65 million years ago too and wiped the dinosaurs out. Our world will end too while people would be waiting for Prophet Isa AS to return and Imam Mahdi and Dajjal to emerge.

says the guy who couldn't sleep cause he was scared of Jinn/Bhoots. :))
 
Interesting thread.

Here's a video of a lengthy seminar on the topic of Imam Mahdi. I believe the speaker is from a Sufi subsect but it's difficult to assess what from the information he presents is apocryphal and what's esoteric as he doesn't provide references. Indeed, some of what he conveys appears to be extremely dubious and illustrates the point that we need to be highly vigilant whilst digesting such information. Nonetheless, it's an intriguing watch.

https://youtu.be/Rmkcqv70y50

The Prophesied Mahdi by Shaikh Ibrahim Osi-Efa..
 
Son?

Jesus (PBUH) is not the son of God. He was a Prophet. Do not hijack this thread with nonsense.

If you say the beliefs of other religions are nonsense, why should they respect yours?
 
If you say the beliefs of other religions are nonsense, why should they respect yours?

This thread was made by a Muslim and topic is Islamic eschatology.

If people want to discuss theologies of other religions, there should be separate threads. Derailment of the thread lowers value.
 
This thread was made by a Muslim and topic is Islamic eschatology.

If people want to discuss theologies of other religions, there should be separate threads. Derailment of the thread lowers value.

Nice evasion. You just discussed another Abrahamic religion, calling it nonsense.
 
The rules are not the same when the shoe is on another foot Robert. You should know that
 
Nice evasion. You just discussed another Abrahamic religion, calling it nonsense.

With all due respect, trinity is absurd from Muslim point of view. Even Jews don't agree with trinity.

Anyway. We are going off-topic. Topic is Dajjal and Islamic eschatology.
 
Back to topic.


Mufti Menk giving a lecture on the topic of Dajjal.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], check this out.
 
Always wondered how will people start following Dajjal as there leader but than I see how muslims go ctazy about andrew tate and take him as a true representative of Islam due to his misogynist views, than that answers my question

It's not outside the realms of possibility tbh. Dajjal is most likely going to be one of the most charismatic man to exist, a quality most desired to be able to lead and influence.

We've seen in the past century alone the amount of nut-cases and morally bankrupt persons able to garner a following solely based on how they speak and their charisma. They know the right things to say to be able to sync with the masses give off the illusion of empathy.
 
Interesting thread.

Here's a video of a lengthy seminar on the topic of Imam Mahdi. I believe the speaker is from a Sufi subsect but it's difficult to assess what from the information he presents is apocryphal and what's esoteric as he doesn't provide references. Indeed, some of what he conveys appears to be extremely dubious and illustrates the point that we need to be highly vigilant whilst digesting such information. Nonetheless, it's an intriguing watch.

https://youtu.be/Rmkcqv70y50

The Prophesied Mahdi by Shaikh Ibrahim Osi-Efa..

I agree that we should be careful about who we take knowledge from.

I personally stick to mainstream Sunni Islamic scholars/preachers. I go with the majority views. I check for references from Quran and Sunnah.
 
Always wondered how will people start following Dajjal as there leader but than I see how muslims go ctazy about andrew tate and take him as a true representative of Islam due to his misogynist views, than that answers my question

You support Nawaz Sharif. You really shouldn't take a dig at Andrew Tate followers. LOL.

BTW, I am yet to see any Muslim who called Andrew Tate a true representative of Islam. Any example?

I personally neither support Tate nor oppose. I simply check what he is up to.
 
Mufti Menk giving a lecture on the topic of Dajjal.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], check this out.

Not a massive fan but will check it out.

Imo this is the best work by a modern scholar on this subject. He shows how the one eyed fake messiah is 'seen' in modern world.

Devil's Trap: Sowing the Seeds & Actions in the Last Days - Hamza Yusuf

Any information on the Malhama (The Great War) which is prophesised?
 
Not a massive fan but will check it out.

Imo this is the best work by a modern scholar on this subject. He shows how the one eyed fake messiah is 'seen' in modern world.

Devil's Trap: Sowing the Seeds & Actions in the Last Days - Hamza Yusuf

Any information on the Malhama (The Great War) which is prophesised?

Thanks. I don't listen to Hamza Yusuf much but will check it out (in sha Allah).

Regarding al-malhama al-kubra, here's what I found:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.

The Malhama Alkubra is mentioned in the following Hadith,

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: «الْمَلْحَمَةُ الْكُبْرَى، وَفَتْحُ الْقُسْطَنْطِينِيَّةِ، وَخُرُوجُ الدَّجَّالِ فِي سَبْعَةِ أَشْهُرٍ»

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Malhama Alkubra (the greatest war), the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months. (Abu Dawood 4295)

بَيْنَ الْمَلْحَمَةِ وَفَتْحِ الْمَدِينَةِ سِتُّ سِنِينَ وَيَخْرُجُ الْمَسِيحُ الدَّجَّالُ فِي السَّابِعَةِ ‏”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.(Abu Dawood 4296)

The exact time and details of this great battle in unknown. However, from different Ahadith it can be understood that the battle will take place between the Muslims and The Roman (the Christians). The battle will be fought in a large number and extremely intense, in which large number of Muslims will be martyred.

The following Ahadith describe the great battle;

عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، قَالَ: ” لَا تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ الرُّومُ بِالْأَعْمَاقِ أَوْ بِدَابِقٍ، فَيَخْرُجُ إِلَيْهِمْ جَيْشٌ مِنَ الْمَدِينَةِ، مِنْ خِيَارِ أَهْلِ الْأَرْضِ يَوْمَئِذٍ، فَإِذَا تَصَافُّوا، قَالَتِ الرُّومُ: خَلُّوا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَ الَّذِينَ سَبَوْا مِنَّا نُقَاتِلْهُمْ، فَيَقُولُ الْمُسْلِمُونَ: لَا، وَاللهِ لَا نُخَلِّي بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَ إِخْوَانِنَا، فَيُقَاتِلُونَهُمْ، فَيَنْهَزِمُ ثُلُثٌ لَا يَتُوبُ اللهُ عَلَيْهِمْ أَبَدًا، وَيُقْتَلُ ثُلُثُهُمْ، أَفْضَلُ الشُّهَدَاءِ عِنْدَ اللهِ، وَيَفْتَتِحُ الثُّلُثُ، لَا يُفْتَنُونَ أَبَدًا فَيَفْتَتِحُونَ قُسْطَنْطِينِيَّةَ، فَبَيْنَمَا هُمْ يَقْتَسِمُونَ الْغَنَائِمَ، قَدْ عَلَّقُوا سُيُوفَهُمْ بِالزَّيْتُونِ، إِذْ صَاحَ فِيهِمِ الشَّيْطَانُ: إِنَّ الْمَسِيحَ قَدْ خَلَفَكُمْ فِي أَهْلِيكُمْ، فَيَخْرُجُونَ، وَذَلِكَ بَاطِلٌ، فَإِذَا جَاءُوا الشَّأْمَ خَرَجَ، فَبَيْنَمَا هُمْ يُعِدُّونَ لِلْقِتَالِ، يُسَوُّونَ الصُّفُوفَ، إِذْ أُقِيمَتِ الصَّلَاةُ، فَيَنْزِلُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، فَأَمَّهُمْ، فَإِذَا رَآهُ عَدُوُّ اللهِ، ذَابَ كَمَا يَذُوبُ الْمِلْحُ فِي الْمَاءِ، فَلَوْ تَرَكَهُ لَانْذَابَ حَتَّى يَهْلِكَ، وَلَكِنْ يَقْتُلُهُ اللهُ بِيَدِهِ، فَيُرِيهِمْ دَمَهُ فِي حَرْبَتِهِ “

Abu Huraira (Radhiallahu Anhu) reported Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A’maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army) which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah’s eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Esa (Jesus) (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Esa Alahi Assalaam) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance.(Muslim2897)

In another Hadith,

Once there blew a red storm in Kufah that there came a person who had nothing to say but (these words): Abdullah b. Mas’ud, the Last Hour has come. He (‘Abdullah b. Mas’ud) was sitting reclining against something, and he said: The Last Hour would not come until the people divide in- heritance and rejoice over booty, and then said pointing towards Syria, with the gesture of his hand like this: The enemy shall muster strength against Muslims and the Muslims will muster strength against them (Syrians). I said: You mean Rome? And he said: Yes, and there would be a terrible fight and the Muslims would prepare a detachment (for fighting unto death) which would not return but victorious. They will fight until night will intervene them; both the sides will return without being victorious and both will be wiped out. The Muslims will again prepare a detachment for fighting unto death so that they may not return but victorious. When it would be the fourth day, a new detachment out of the remnant of the Muslims would be prepared and Allah will decree that the enemy should be routed. And they would fight such a fight the like of which would not be seen, so much so that even if a bird were to pass their flanks, it would fall down dead before reaching the end of them. (There would be such a largescale massacre) that when counting would be done, (only) one out of a hundred men related to one another would be found alive. So what can be the joy at the spoils of such war and what inheritance would be divided! They would be in this very state that they would hear of a calamity more horrible than this. And a cry would reach them: The Dajjil has taken your place among your off- spring. They will, therefore, throw away what would be in their hands and go forward sending ten horsemen, as a scouting party. Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said: I know their names and the names of their forefathers and the colour of their horses. They will be best horsemen on the surface of the earth on that day or amongst the best horsemen on the surface of the earth on that day. (Muslim 2899)

It must be noted that many of the signs of Qiyamah are present and the Muslims are facing difficulties all over the world. However, rather than exerting our efforts in identifying these signs, we maximize our efforts in Ibadaat, Dua and preparing for the Hereafter.

A Bedouin asked the Prophet (Sallallaahu ‘Alahi Wa Sallam) about the Hour (Qiyamah). He (Sallallaahu ‘Alahi Wa Sallam) said, “It will surely come to pass. What have you prepared for it?” (Bukhari)

Reference: https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/81132/the-great-battle-almalhama-alkubra/.
 
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[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Check this out (about 8 minutes long). It explains al-malhama al-kubra.
 
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Malhama Alkubra (the greatest war), the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months. (Abu Dawood 4295)

This is interesting as its referring to modern day Istanbul. Remember Turkey is a Nato member but atm not a loyal one. It could be Erdogan is ousted in some sort of coup , being replaced by a puppet of Nato who will lead Turkey to war with Russia.
 
This is interesting as its referring to modern day Istanbul. Remember Turkey is a Nato member but atm not a loyal one. It could be Erdogan is ousted in some sort of coup , being replaced by a puppet of Nato who will lead Turkey to war with Russia.

Quite possible.

Check the above video I posted.

We are probably not far from this (the way things are going). Allah knows best.
 
Back to topic.


Mufti Menk giving a lecture on the topic of Dajjal.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], check this out.

Menk is the international Tariq Jameel. A commercial, celebrity so-called scholar and authority on Islam. He is more of social media influencer than a genuine scholar.

I would advise everyone not to listen to him and instead learn from genuine scholars who are not interested in become celebrities.
 
Menk is the international Tariq Jameel. A commercial, celebrity so-called scholar and authority on Islam. He is more of social media influencer than a genuine scholar.

I would advise everyone not to listen to him and instead learn from genuine scholars who are not interested in become celebrities.

You do not believe in Dajjal. You do not believe in 2nd coming of Jesus/Isa (PBUH).

These are all mainstream positions in Islam. Therefore, I am not sure which scholars you follow (with all due respect).
 
You do not believe in Dajjal. You do not believe in 2nd coming of Jesus/Isa (PBUH).

These are all mainstream positions in Islam. Therefore, I am not sure which scholars you follow (with all due respect).

These are not mainstream positions, these are mainstream misconceptions.
 
These are not mainstream positions, these are mainstream misconceptions.

These are mainstream positions backed by authentic hadiths. These are accepted by mainstream Sunni scholars/preachers worldwide.

Again, I am curious which scholars you follow. I would love to take a look. I am always learning.
 
I've not heard a scholar deny the second coming of Isa(as) or the one eyed pretender Dajjal. Some of my favourite scholars are Yusuf Estes, Dr Israr Ahmed, Bilal Phillips and sometimes Zakir Naik. Tariq Jameel is one that I avoid the most. We can all see the one eyed sign everywhere these days by celebrities from all countries. Even Pakistani celebrities these days most likely satanists for the sake of attaining worldly fame are now covering one eye.
 
Shabbir Ali is the one who deals best with Christian evangelists. The late Ahmed Deedat was very good as well. I used to like Hamza Yusuf Hanson before he became a bit weird with some comments he made. Don't listen to him anymore. He's a bit arrogant with his opinions always speaking over other scholars.
 
According to a hadith of Imam Muslim graded authentic, Both Prophet Isa & Dajjal will appear right after the muslim conquest of Constantinople. Constantinople was conquered by the muslims more than 500 years ago and we are yet to see the return of any one of them.

As per the verses of the Quran, the religion(deen) was completed during the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). So it is clear that there remains no major reason for a return of another Prophet.

2nd coming of Jesus though has no mention in the Quran, is stated in many hadiths. Yet studying those hadiths, one can find that most of those hadiths were narrated by Abu Huraira, a person very much influenced by Kaab Al ahbar, the borrower of jewish tradition to Islam(Israyeliat).

Jesus is predicted to kill the pigs, destroy the cross and abolish Jizya. Abolishing Jizya means non-muslims including the people of the book will be given a choice either to convert to Islam or to get killed, which will clearly violate the Quranic law of religious freedom.

At the end of the day, Return of Jesus and the emergence of Mahdi & Dajjal are topics that should not concern general muslims. In
my view, submiting to the will of God by living a true peaceful life and contributing to the growth of human society & civilizations are the ultimate purposes of a human being.
 
According to a hadith of Imam Muslim graded authentic, Both Prophet Isa & Dajjal will appear right after the muslim conquest of Constantinople. Constantinople was conquered by the muslims more than 500 years ago and we are yet to see the return of any one of them.

As per the verses of the Quran, the religion(deen) was completed during the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). So it is clear that there remains no major reason for a return of another Prophet.

2nd coming of Jesus though has no mention in the Quran, is stated in many hadiths. Yet studying those hadiths, one can find that most of those hadiths were narrated by Abu Huraira, a person very much influenced by Kaab Al ahbar, the borrower of jewish tradition to Islam(Israyeliat).

Jesus is predicted to kill the pigs, destroy the cross and abolish Jizya. Abolishing Jizya means non-muslims including the people of the book will be given a choice either to convert to Islam or to get killed, which will clearly violate the Quranic law of religious freedom.

At the end of the day, Return of Jesus and the emergence of Mahdi & Dajjal are topics that should not concern general muslims. In
my view, submiting to the will of God by living a true peaceful life and contributing to the growth of human society & civilizations are the ultimate purposes of a human being.

This is a fringe view.

Constantinople still exists, its Istanbul which is the capital of Turkey, which is a Nato member state. So this city isnt liberated at present. The conquest which took place by Ottomans wasnt Islamic but Barbaric.

Jesus(pbuh) isnt returning with a new message but to reaffirm what the Prophet(pbuh) finalised.

Quran clearly mentions Jesus(pbuh) was not killed or he died. All humans must die, the only is to return first.

Killing pigs isnt literal, its referring to the false narrative of Christians who believe he is God.

Its a concern as many signs seems to be related to todays times.
 
According to a hadith of Imam Muslim graded authentic, Both Prophet Isa & Dajjal will appear right after the muslim conquest of Constantinople. Constantinople was conquered by the muslims more than 500 years ago and we are yet to see the return of any one of them.

As per the verses of the Quran, the religion(deen) was completed during the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). So it is clear that there remains no major reason for a return of another Prophet.

2nd coming of Jesus though has no mention in the Quran, is stated in many hadiths. Yet studying those hadiths, one can find that most of those hadiths were narrated by Abu Huraira, a person very much influenced by Kaab Al ahbar, the borrower of jewish tradition to Islam(Israyeliat).

Jesus is predicted to kill the pigs, destroy the cross and abolish Jizya. Abolishing Jizya means non-muslims including the people of the book will be given a choice either to convert to Islam or to get killed, which will clearly violate the Quranic law of religious freedom.

At the end of the day, Return of Jesus and the emergence of Mahdi & Dajjal are topics that should not concern general muslims. In
my view, submiting to the will of God by living a true peaceful life and contributing to the growth of human society & civilizations are the ultimate purposes of a human being.

These are your own opinions.

I would stick to positions of mainstream Sunni scholars.
 
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According to a hadith of Imam Muslim graded authentic, Both Prophet Isa & Dajjal will appear right after the muslim conquest of Constantinople. Constantinople was conquered by the muslims more than 500 years ago and we are yet to see the return of any one of them.

As per the verses of the Quran, the religion(deen) was completed during the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). So it is clear that there remains no major reason for a return of another Prophet.

2nd coming of Jesus though has no mention in the Quran, is stated in many hadiths. Yet studying those hadiths, one can find that most of those hadiths were narrated by Abu Huraira, a person very much influenced by Kaab Al ahbar, the borrower of jewish tradition to Islam(Israyeliat).

Jesus is predicted to kill the pigs, destroy the cross and abolish Jizya. Abolishing Jizya means non-muslims including the people of the book will be given a choice either to convert to Islam or to get killed, which will clearly violate the Quranic law of religious freedom.

At the end of the day, Return of Jesus and the emergence of Mahdi & Dajjal are topics that should not concern general muslims. In
my view, submiting to the will of God by living a true peaceful life and contributing to the growth of human society & civilizations are the ultimate purposes of a human being.

You are not in a position to criticize a sahabah like Abu Huraira (RA). Talk about audacity!

Also, there wouldn't be a new prophet. It is clearly mentioned in Quran that Jesus (PBUH) was taken up alive:

And for their saying, "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God." In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him. Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Mighty and Wise.

-Quran 4:157-4:158


As per hadith, Jesus (PBUH) will return, kill Dajjal (along with some other things), and die a natural death.

Please don't write from your own opinions. I would be careful about making up things about Islam.
 
2nd coming of Jesus though has no mention in the Quran, is stated in many hadiths. Yet studying those hadiths, one can find that most of those hadiths were narrated by Abu Huraira, a person very much influenced by Kaab Al ahbar, the borrower of jewish tradition to Islam(Israyeliat).

Jesus is predicted to kill the pigs, destroy the cross and abolish Jizya. Abolishing Jizya means non-muslims including the people of the book will be given a choice either to convert to Islam or to get killed, which will clearly violate the Quranic law of religious freedom.

Let's check the hadith. It is in Sahih Bukhari.

Narrated by Abu Huraira (RA):

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). (Sahih Bukhari 2476)


From here, it is evident that this was a saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It was not something Abu Huraira (RA) made up.

I hope you are not calling Abu Huraira (RA) a liar. Are you a hadith rejecter (Quranist) by any chance?
 
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This is a fringe view.

Constantinople still exists, its Istanbul which is the capital of Turkey, which is a Nato member state. So this city isnt liberated at present. The conquest which took place by Ottomans wasnt Islamic but Barbaric.

Jesus(pbuh) isnt returning with a new message but to reaffirm what the Prophet(pbuh) finalised.

Quran clearly mentions Jesus(pbuh) was not killed or he died. All humans must die, the only is to return first.

Killing pigs isnt literal, its referring to the false narrative of Christians who believe he is God.

Its a concern as many signs seems to be related to todays times.

Killing pigs is literal. It's clearly narrated in the hadith. Read the commentaries of that hadith. Most if not all scholars agree Jesus will kill pigs, break the cross and abolish jizya. Unless Jesus brings new laws, these actions will clearly violate the Quranic law.

Constantinople was indeed conquered by muslims. All of the conquering forces were muslims. Saying this conquest was not the one mentioned in the hadith is simply an attempt to safeguard the hadith's validity.
 
Let's check the hadith. It is in Sahih Bukhari.

Narrated by Abu Huraira (RA):

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). (Sahih Bukhari 2476)


From here, it is evident that this was a saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It was not something Abu Huraira (RA) made up.

I hope you are not calling Abu Huraira (RA) a liar. Are you a hadith rejecter (Quranist) by any chance?

Abu Hurairah was once beaten up by Umar for narrating too many hadiths. He was also discharged from governorship by Umar due to charges of corruption. Abu Hurairah was hugely influenced by Kaab Al Ahbar & jewish tradition. He also was in good terms with the Ummayads and amassed massive wealth during Muawiya's reign. Any hadith narrated solely by Abu Hurairah should be examined closely before reaching any decision.

Also Dajjal is made out to be the greatest fitna yet Quran has no mention of dajjal, no mention of Jesus returning to kill him and no mention of whole of the humanity coming under one religion. These supposed incidents are not as concrete & factual as these are made out to be and most probably have been hugely influenced by jewish & christian traditions.
 
Also Dajjal is made out to be the greatest fitna yet Quran has no mention of dajjal, no mention of Jesus returning to kill him and no mention of whole of the humanity coming under one religion. These supposed incidents are not as concrete & factual as these are made out to be and most probably have been hugely influenced by jewish & christian traditions.

There's also no mention of 5-salah in Quran. Does that mean we should abandon salah?

You can believe in fringe theories. I stick to positions of mainstream Sunni scholars.
 
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