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"How can a home team, hosting its 1st intl. tournament for so long, be playing the biggest match of the tournament away from home?": Jonathan Agnew

Major said:
ICC recognizes CAS

You dont need an agreement.

Only BCCI doesnt accept CAS, which is why i never said the pak vs Ind issue should be taken their. THe issue between PCB and iCC should had been taken there
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For two parties to go to any arbitration forum, it must be agreed upon in writing that xyz will be the forum and place of arbitration.

That's the basis of arbitration.
 
cricketjoshila said:
For two parties to go to any arbitration forum, it must be agreed upon in writing that xyz will be the forum and place of arbitration.

That's the basis of arbitration.
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CAS is recognized and accepted by ICC
 
MenInG said:
I am talking obviously not about CT2025 as it's done.

But future tournaments in India should not be entertained by Pakistan.

We will not lose anything by not going there, just like India did.
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Pakistanis won't be going to India for 2026 t20wc. That has been agreed.
 
Major said:
CAS is recognized and accepted by ICC
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Recognition doesn't mean anything unless the agreement says its the place of arbitration between the two parties.

The agreement may say the ICC DRC is the place of arbitration.
 
MenInG said:
I am talking obviously not about CT2025 as it's done.

But future tournaments in India should not be entertained by Pakistan.

We will not lose anything by not going there, just like India did.
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We have so many other worries.
Its a genuine question, should Pak even play cricket?

Its beyond embarrassment.
 
Then PCB need to Take a strong stand - Money or Pride . They have to chose Only one thing.

MenInG said:
I am talking obviously not about CT2025 as it's done.

But future tournaments in India should not be entertained by Pakistan.

We will not lose anything by not going there, just like India did.
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pakistani pride said:
Be happy India is not playing in Pak.
We are already pathetic and humiliated.

Imagine getting trashed by India in Karachi and seeing them lift the trophy later in Lahore.

No thanks!
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I know we are not qualifying for final

But still at least neutral teams apart from India hopefully plays final in Lahore
 
Weren't everyone distributing mithai here over this "hybrid arrangement" for all the future ICC tournaments held in India as well and how "PCB didn't back down and brought BCCI to its knees" etc etc ..
Why are you guys crying now lmao... :yk
 
sweep_shot said:
Pakistan should do these:

1) Pakistan shouldn't play in India until India play in Pakistan.

2) If Pakistan host any event in the future, all games should be in Pakistan. Pakistan should refuse to play in neutral venues.

3) For ICC events hosted in India, Pakistan should demand neutral venues.

:inti
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So why didnt they do it this time ?? They had a golden opportunity to refuse to play in Dubai. But guess what everyone understands the reality incl Ban and so its a non issue. The more pertinent issue should be - why was the Pak team performance so poor in the match against Ind ?
 
deltexas said:
So why didnt they do it this time ?? They had a golden opportunity to refuse to play in Dubai. But guess what everyone understands the reality incl Ban and so its a non issue. The more pertinent issue should be - why was the Pak team performance so poor in the match against Ind ?
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He talks too much and has little substance just like the BD team.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Doesn't mean anything.

Unless the agreement between ICC and PCB say that the place for dispute resolution is CAS.
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Dont make up stuff.

If icc recognizes CAs, that is good enough. In the past pakistani players took their case to CAS, which than CAs gave a ruling in favor of ICC.

Besides your concerns should be regarding bcci not pcb icc matter
 
Major said:
Icc recognizes CAS
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Let me humour you a bit more.

ICC and PCB agreement said CAS is the venue for arbitration.

PCB has to win their first. ICC will simply say that without India hosting the CT is financially not viable. Hence there has to be the hybrid model.

Let's assume PCB still wins and CAS says that hybrid model cannot be implemented. ICC board can simply decide to cancel the tournament because financially its unviable.

BCCI now arranges a six Nations tournament with ECB CA CSA NZC and ACB. Takes 30 per cent of profits and distributes the rest to other nations except Pakistan.

What will PCB do? It will still not host any ICC event. It won't get anything from ICC as event is cancelled and no board will receive anything this year. RoW cricketing world is playing in India and being grateful for the money that BCCI has arranged via this tournament.

Any which way you see, PCB has little options.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Let me humour you a bit more.

ICC and PCB agreement said CAS is the venue for arbitration.

PCB has to win their first. ICC will simply say that without India hosting the CT is financially not viable. Hence there has to be the hybrid model.

Let's assume PCB still wins and CAS says that hybrid model cannot be implemented. ICC board can simply decide to cancel the tournament because financially its unviable.

BCCI now arranges a six Nations tournament with ECB CA CSA NZC and ACB. Takes 30 per cent of profits and distributes the rest to other nations except Pakistan.

What will PCB do? It will still not host any ICC event. It won't get anything from ICC as event is cancelled and no board will receive anything this year. RoW cricketing world is playing in India and being grateful for the money that BCCI has arranged via this tournament.

Any which way you see, PCB has little options.
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I didnt both to read your post.

I dont care about your fantasies.

If ICC makes a decision and PCB doesn like it, they should go to CAS that would give a proper unbiased decision.

Bcci has nothing to do with this.
 
Major said:
I didnt both to read your post.

I dont care about your fantasies.

If ICC makes a decision and PCB doesn like it, they should go to CAS that would give a proper unbiased decision.

Bcci has nothing to do with this.
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PCB cannot go to CAS. CAS has no jurisdiction in any case if both parties have not agreed in writing to give CAS jurisdiction.

Good luck getting Jay Shah to do this.

The only person on fantasies is you. Reality is that Pakistan will host 5 matches in UAE.
 
In the end you have a weak and poor cricket board and on the other side you have a rich and powerful board. The poor board can just write letters to ICC why indian anthem was played before Eng v Aus match. That's all. But the powerful board takes the biggest decisions.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PCB cannot go to CAS. CAS has no jurisdiction in any case if both parties have not agreed in writing to give CAS jurisdiction.

Good luck getting Jay Shah to do this.

The only person on fantasies is you. Reality is that Pakistan will host 5 matches in UAE.
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ICC recognizes CAS.

Jay shah is not ICC, this is not your indian bjp politics. ICC is an organization that follows a system and bring in a jay shah, saeen baba doesnt mean it will go against its system.
 
MenInG said:
Up to PCB but if I were them, they should simply let the ICC know from now that they will not play any games in India during the ICC Men's T20 World Cup, scheduled for February 2026 (co-hosted with Sri Lanka).

Make it clear from now and be prepared to boycott it.
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We will soon find ourselves in a situation much like the 1996 World Cup where some teams will just forfeit a game. Let’s see what happens at the next ICC tournament hosted in India. If India do not hold up their end of the deal, Pakistan can either forfeit or take the BCCI to arbitration.
 
This game wasn’t necessarily a disadvantage for Pakistan, as it was only India’s second match here, meaning they also had limited time to acclimatize. Moreover, all Pakistani players have significant experience playing in these conditions.

However, it will be a massive disadvantage for teams like New Zealand next Sunday or any other side that faces India in the semis or finals. They will have to adjust drastically, coming from flat Pakistani pitches where the par score is around 330 to these low and slow surfaces.

Let’s be honest—even if India wins this tournament, there will always be an asterisk. It just doesn’t feel entirely fair.

This is why I am personally not a fan of hybrid model. Co-hosting is different thing as all teams gets to play in different countries/conditions like USA/WI co hosted WT20 last year. However making it hybrid for one team sets a bad precedence.
 
Major said:
ICC recognizes CAS.

Jay shah is not ICC, this is not your indian bjp politics. ICC is an organization that follows a system and bring in a jay shah, saeen baba doesnt mean it will go against its system.
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Jay Shah is the system. He controls the ICC board votes.

Recognition doesn't mean anything if its not the pre decided venue of arbitration.

ICC also recognises the DRC. Why will DRC not be the place of arbitration?
 
captain.hansolo said:
We will soon find ourselves in a situation much like the 1996 World Cup where some teams will just forfeit a game. Let’s see what happens at the next ICC tournament hosted in India. If India do not hold up their end of the deal, Pakistan can either forfeit or take the BCCI to arbitration.
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The schedule is yet to be decided. There may not be a India Pakistan match in group stages.
 
Its yet another loss for India. Every team is playing in Pakistan, shines a blacklight on India.

And remember, BCCI begged the PCB for this match. Billion dollar cricket bowl with the begging bowl.

😎
 
It would have been even more embarrassing to lose to India in Lahore. Lol when a team has Khushdil Shah as one of its main frontline spinners, club level batters like Saud Shakeel, Tayyab Tahir and Babar Azam, a mediocre captain like Rizwan and bowlers like Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Haris Rauf who fizzle out after four overs whether you play them in Lahore or Dubai losing was inevitable.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Jay Shah is the system. He controls the ICC board votes.

Recognition doesn't mean anything if its not the pre decided venue of arbitration.

ICC also recognises the DRC. Why will DRC not be the place of arbitration?
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Jay shah is not the system. This is not your bjp politics or india where one man controls everything.

Icc has a rules and regulations and a constitutiom that runs the organization.

Its not a saudi palace where some guy comes and does whatever he wants.

@mominsaigol read this guys delusions

CaS is recognized by ICC, it doesnt matter whether you dont like this or feel insecure about it
 
Major said:
Jay shah is not the system. This is not your bjp politics or india where one man controls everything.

Icc has a rules and regulations and a constitutiom that runs the organization.

Its not a saudi palace where some guy comes and does whatever he wants.

@mominsaigol read this guys delusions

CaS is recognized by ICC, it doesnt matter whether you dont like this or feel insecure about it
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Jay Shah and BCCI did what they wanted. Did you stop him?

ICC runs by the votes of ICC board members, majority of whom side with Jay Shah.

Feel insecure? For what? PCB cannot do anything here.

Ja bhai ja, CAS ja. May be if PCB gets to host another ICC event in next.....decade or after that.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Jay Shah and BCCI did what they wanted. Did you stop him?

ICC runs by the votes of ICC board members, majority of whom side with Jay Shah.

Feel insecure? For what? PCB cannot do anything here.

Ja bhai ja, CAS ja. May be if PCB gets to host another ICC event in next.....decade or after that.
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Again, icc doesnt run like the fantasies you dream at night.

Lol why are you crying, CAS kay naam per phat jate?

Like i said this is PCB and ICC issue, dont know why getting riled up
 
Major said:
Jay shah is not the system. This is not your bjp politics or india where one man controls everything.

Icc has a rules and regulations and a constitutiom that runs the organization.

Its not a saudi palace where some guy comes and does whatever he wants.

@mominsaigol read this guys delusions

CaS is recognized by ICC, it doesnt matter whether you dont like this or feel insecure about it
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I keep getting confused cause their way too many Indians and their all the same.

Was he the one who asked to ban PP? Or was he the one who claimed my visa got refused to pakistan?
 
What a total disgrace for Pakistan. All the political happenings regarding hosting the Champions Trophy. This was their chance to win the cup at home. But what a meek and disgrace to lose both their opening matches and already out of the tournament. Pakistan has become the laughing stock and punching bag for years and this tournament's performance pretty much sealed that. Always the talk about cornered tigers but all I see on the field is just meekness and lack of any fight and void of any tactics regarding conditions, team composition, opposition. Just meek all around.
 
cogent said:
What a total disgrace for Pakistan. All the political happenings regarding hosting the Champions Trophy. This was their chance to win the cup at home. But what a meek and disgrace to lose both their opening matches and already out of the tournament. Pakistan has become the laughing stock and punching bag for years and this tournament's performance pretty much sealed that. Always the talk about cornered tigers but all I see on the field is just meekness and lack of any fight and void of any tactics regarding conditions, team composition, opposition. Just meek all around.
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I feel like Pakistan's "cornered tiger" era ended in 2019. It ended with the retirements of Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Younis Khan etc.

The new guys didn't quite continue the cornered tiger legacy.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Jay Shah and BCCI did what they wanted. Did you stop him?

ICC runs by the votes of ICC board members, majority of whom side with Jay Shah.

Feel insecure? For what? PCB cannot do anything here.

Ja bhai ja, CAS ja. May be if PCB gets to host another ICC event in next.....decade or after that.
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Didn't you guys lose every time you went to CAS? From the fixing ban issue to everytime you tried to go against ICC for other reasons.
 
there is no use to CRY OVER SPILLED MILK. Pakistan is out of the event now and they should focus on what went wrong and there is whole long list of mistakes as usual.
 
To be honest it's quite petty on India's part but then again we have Modi as our aaka. Can't expect anything else from this establishment.
 
Bharat might have won the match but as humans we lost. It was an opportunity to win some hearts in Lahore and make friends with people of Pakistan. Instead we earned a decade of animosity through this act of pettiness.
 
PCB should be grateful to the BCCI and the ICC that they allowed Pakistan to host 60-70% of the CT in Pakistan. Trust me, BCCI with its financial might and leverage could have convinced the ICC and other member countries to take the entire tournament away from Pakistan but they showed some mercy to Pakistan.

Pakistan with the **** team and lack of quality of Cricket that they keep producing do not deserve to be even listened too.

If the ICC was not so dependent on the indo pak games for 50% of its revenues, Pakistan should have been asked to play qualifiers for these ICC events
 
captain.hansolo said:
We will soon find ourselves in a situation much like the 1996 World Cup where some teams will just forfeit a game. Let’s see what happens at the next ICC tournament hosted in India. If India do not hold up their end of the deal, Pakistan can either forfeit or take the BCCI to arbitration.
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No arbitration

Just have some self respect, simple ask.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bharat might have won the match but as humans we lost. It was an opportunity to win some hearts in Lahore and make friends with people of Pakistan. Instead we earned a decade of animosity through this act of pettiness.
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It's still better than Pakistan. We lost the match, lost hearts, lost host privileges.
 
I saw in YT mohsin naqvi sold his VVVIP box for almost 1 croreINR. That I call very smart no wonder he was willing his team to come to Dubai. If it was me I would have let the ball in India’s court saying come and play in Pakistan or forfeit it. (If I am a Pakistani).
As an Indian I would have told my team not to go to Pakistan and just let it go
 
Nothing new. Used lament the hold the English/Aussies had in the 80s and 90s over world cricket and even before that...and we would say, let our turn come.

And, it has. Nothing new.
POWER CORRUPTS.
 
What does Modi have to do with bilateral cricket ties? It's funny that some posters act as if nothing happened under previous governments, and now they claim that all these issues started with Modi.
 
Dhakar Pola said:
This was unfair to pakistan.
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Yes, I have repeatedly said it is unfair to Pakistan. Dragging the host team into playing in another country is pathetic, and I don't like it. India should have avoided playing in the CT and instead stayed at home rather than accepting the hybrid model in Dubai.
 
MenInG said:
No arbitration

Just have some self respect, simple ask.
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Negotiating and compromise does not imply lack of self respect. You won’t always get a fair deal, especially if the party you are negotiating with has significantly greater influence. If anything I applaud PCB for retaining the games involving India, as opposed to India boycotting the tournament.

If you want a whole 1980 and 1984 Olympics situation then that is just eight years of substandard Olympics. Pakistan gains nothing by boycotting the World Cup in India, and it gains a lot less revenue by hosting an ICC event without India.

You need to take a step back and look at it from the perspective of what PCB gained: a tournament that is not delegitimized by the absence of one of the top two prominent teams, it gains the revenue from the games of that team, it has enough of a partisan support in Dubai to make the event well received, and it got a similar compromise out of BCCI. We live in the world of trumps and modis, who will saber rattle to distract from internal issues, and PCB must work within that paradigm.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bharat might have won the match but as humans we lost. It was an opportunity to win some hearts in Lahore and make friends with people of Pakistan. Instead we earned a decade of animosity through this act of pettiness.
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I wouldn't worry about winning hearts in Lahore; You are not going to get that at all. But, playing the tournament in the host country is the right thing to do. It was injustice to play them away from their home. India should have either played in Pakistan or avoided playing the tournament. This hybrid model is nonsense.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bharat might have won the match but as humans we lost. It was an opportunity to win some hearts in Lahore and make friends with people of Pakistan. Instead we earned a decade of animosity through this act of pettiness.
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You did us a favour. Getting trashed in Dubai is normal for us, would be another level seeing Kohli and co smash us in Lahore or Karachi.
 
pakistani pride said:
You did us a favour. Getting trashed in Dubai is normal for us, would be another level seeing Kohli and co smash us in Lahore or Karachi.
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Bhai this is the mentality we need to change. So what if we had won in Lahore or Karachi? Life would have gone on just like that. It’s just a sport. Nations have bigger things to worry about than what happens in a sport. You beat us to an Olympics gold last year. Kya badal gya? It impacted your sports positively and we will move on and try to get better next time. That’s it bro. People need to disassociate pride and humiliation like words from these matches.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bhai this is the mentality we need to change. So what if we had won in Lahore or Karachi? Life would have gone on just like that. It’s just a sport. Nations have bigger things to worry about than what happens in a sport. You beat us to an Olympics gold last year. Kya badal gya? It impacted your sports positively and we will move on and try to get better next time. That’s it bro. People need to disassociate pride and humiliation like words from these matches.
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Bhai when you lose match after match vs your biggest rival (in sports) it is a humiliation. Our players have ashamed Pakistanis for years. They are so bad that we have reached a point where I genuinely want Pak cricket to retire and never play a single game again.

Its seriously depressing to see unfit, overweight and overrated losers like them representing the people of Pakistan.
 
pakistani pride said:
Bhai when you lose match after match vs your biggest rival (in sports) it is a humiliation. Our players have ashamed Pakistanis for years. They are so bad that we have reached a point where I genuinely want Pak cricket to retire and never play a single game again.

Its seriously depressing to see unfit, overweight and overrated losers like them representing the people of Pakistan.
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It’s a bad phase for Pakistan cricket and we all understand it. We had an ordinary phase in the 1990s. Let me say the Pakistanis have won everyone’s heart with their hospitality, their support to cricket and their big heartedness. You go back with your heads held high brother as a proud cricket nation. You will come back stronger.

Humiliation is when people cannot get justice, or food or jobs. We must go to war against hunger, illiteracy, corruptions. Cricket se koi humiliation nyi hota bhai. Just a game.
 
UP said:
What is the ‘aukaat’ of Pakistan to demand things?
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Well, they are/were the hosts so stands to reason, that a demand to play at home is well...reasonable?
 
I think this topic will open again soon because Pakistan out of the tournament in a matter of two matches. one played at home. One away. So they had opportunity to stay alive by winning the home match and failed. Coming into the tournament high on confidence after back to back overseas series wins they have let their fans down with Tri series loss and CT loss.
 
These sort of questions will no doubt be asked in the same way how could India lose a WC final at home blah blah.

Hindsight is a great thing.
 
So the same set of posters who defend ICCs decision to play WTC finals in England every time are now having a problem with India playing all their matches in Dubai?

Both these decisions are unfair.
 
It’s true but also how can a Home team be that clueless, this was the time PCT should had shown passion to overcome the behavior by BCCI but they couldn’t.
 
Pointless debate.

The entire claim rests on the phony premise that Pakistan is somehow strong at home and that gives them a competitive advantage. IT DOES NOT!!!

Pakistan lost horribly in the tri-series just before the Champions Trophy and has also lost New Zealand at home during the group stages of the CT. Who in their right mind thinks Pakistan would have beaten India at home?

Pakistan is lucky to beat Bangladesh (who recently whitewashed them at home).

Talk about grasping at straws.
 
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