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How did Pakistan's economy perform during Imran Khan's era?

Listen to Shabbar Zaidi and you will know what kind of economic mess Pakistan is in. Basically, he implied there is little hope for the economy to improve and there is no chance of getting rid of circular debt. He said that despite Imran’s full support, nothing of note has been achieved on the economic front. He concluded by saying that Imran has good intentions.

As I said before, in the year 2050, Pakistan will be in a similar economic condition. Because there is nobody who is willing to take strong decisions. Hopeless situation.

I also would like to hear what you believe should be done to prevent the situation you have said will "remain the same" in 2050. We are awaiting your analysis. [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have received the regional export trends and this shows that, compared to our exports, the exports of India and Bangladesh for Nov/Dec 2020 showed negative growth. I wish once again to congratulate the exporters and the Ministry of Commerce for this achievement. <a href="https://t.co/lpmZa6MOl5">pic.twitter.com/lpmZa6MOl5</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1347090086459011072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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I also would like to hear what you believe should be done to prevent the situation you have said will "remain the same" in 2050. We are awaiting your analysis. [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]

-Throw corrupt people behind bars
-Trade with India
-Invest in education
-Get rid of different mafias instead of including them in your cabinet
-Put a leash on the the right-wing instead of bending over backwards for them
-Promote tolerance
-Get rid of state-backed terror outfits
-Appoint people on merit instead of their religiosity
-Encourage women to take part in the economy
-Stop morally policing citizens


All the above will promote economic growth and encourage tourism. However, no Pakistani politician except Jibran Nasir believes in what I said. Hence, there is so sign that Pakistan's economic status will improve.
 
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s trade deficit widened by 32.04 per cent to $2.683 billion in December from $2.032bn over the same month last year mainly on account of higher imports, latest data released by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) showed on Thursday.

The country’s imports have been on a rising trend since September. The continuous decline in imports in the last two years had provided some breathing space to the government in managing external accounts despite a downward trend in exports. However, rebounding imports are likely to create pressures on the external side.

The pace of growth in imports is projected to increase further in the coming months following the abolishment of regulatory duty on imports of raw materials and semi-finished products.

The trade deficit between July-December increased to $12.423bn, up by 6.44pc from $11.671bn over the same period last year.


Earlier, the country’s trade deficit during FY20 had narrowed to $23.099bn from $31.820bn.

In December, the import bill rose by 25.25pc year-on-year to $5.035bn as against $4.020bn over the corresponding month last year. This is the highest growth in imports since June, 2018. Meanwhile, on a month-on-month basis, imports in December rose by 16.69pc compared to November.

During 6MFY21, the overall import bill increased by 5.72pc to $24.521bn, up from $23.195bn over the corresponding period last year.

In FY20, the import bill witnessed a steep decline of $10.29bn or 18.78pc to $44.509bn, compared to $54.799bn in the previous year.

No word came from either the Ministry of Commerce or Finance on the rising trend in import bills.

However, Prime Minister Imran Khan took to Twitter for the second time to share regional export trends. “I have received the regional export trends from the Ministry of Commerce and this shows that, compared to our exports, the exports of India and Bangladesh for November and December 2020 showed negative growth.”

Compared to Pakistan’s exports growth of 18.3pc in December, Indian exports posted a negative growth of 0.8pc and Bangladesh 6.11pc. “I wish once again to congratulate the exporters and the Ministry of Commerce for this achievement”, the premier further remarked.

In absolute terms, Pakistan’s export proceeds edged up to $2.352bn in December 2020 from $1.988bn last year. In the 6MFY21, export proceeds rose to $12.098bn as against $11.524bn over the last year.

Export proceeds were up by 8.19pc when compared with the previous month. Exports in the new fiscal year started on a positive note but witnessed a steep decline of 19pc in August before rebounding in September, October, and November.

In December 2020, an increasing trend has been witnessed in export of value-added and non-traditional products including tobacco & cigarettes up 212.2pc, ethyl alcohol 128.6pc, stockings & socks 49.8pc, home textiles 38.1pc, women’s garments 37.8pc, jerseys & cardigans 37.3pc, gloves 25.5pc, t-shirts 16.9pc, rice 15.5pc and fruits & vegetables 13.4pc as compared to December 2019.

A decreasing trend was noted in the export of mostly non-value-added products like cotton 93.3pc, dry fruit & nuts 78.5pc, maize 61.2pc, plastics 41.4pc, cement 8.5pc and raw leather 8.5pc.

Geographically, in December 2020, exports increased to Indonesia by 151.6pc, China 92.5pc, Russia 63.2pc, United Kingdom 46.9pc, Germany 37.6pc, Netherlands 37.5pc, Belgium 32.8pc, Australia 30.5pc, Poland 27.9pc and the United States 27.2pc.

The exports posted a negative growth to Kenya 40.5pc, South Korea 38.8pc, Thailand 24.0pc, Japan 22.3pc, Bangladesh 20.3pc, Sri Lanka 19.9pc, United Arab Emirates 10.5pc and Afghanistan 5.1pc.

The government has already doled out cash subsidies under drawback on local taxes and levies as well as allowed lower rates of electricity and gas for the export-oriented sector.

Data shows visible improvements in export orders from international buyers, mainly in the textile and clothing sectors since May.

Export growth potential

Meanwhile, Special Assistant to Prime Minister Dr Moeed Yousaf briefed the Apex Committee on Economic Outreach at Islamabad. The meeting was chaired by PM Imran Khan.

Dr Yousaf briefed the meeting that an extensive mapping exercise about export potential of goods and services has been carried out in consultation with relevant government ministries, provinces and the private sector. He informed that the information technology, textiles, agriculture, meat, leather, pottery & ceramics, machinery & auto parts, metals and surgical instruments possess an additional export potential of $31bn.

Dr Moeed further updated that a multiplier effect of additional $2bn can be achieved from medical and religious tourism, transport services, manpower, pharmaceuticals, marble & granite and salt products. He apprised that there is potential of additional exports worth US $16.7bn to UAE, USA, China, Germany, UK, France, Indonesia, Spain, Algeria and Malaysia.

He also presented an overview for human resource allocation, key performance indicators for foreign missions of Pakistan, human resource training and strengthening of ministerial structures.

PM Imran Khan said the main objective of this apex committee is to chalk-out a long term plan for import substitution and increasing exports so that Pakistan becomes self reliant.

The premier also emphasised the need for adoption of international best practices for priority sectors and consultations with international experts to achieve success. He also stressed upon the need to enhance inter-ministerial coordination and public-private partnership for increasing exports.

The meeting decided that the Ministry of Commerce will furnish an action plan with timelines in one week time and will update the PM on a weekly basis regarding progress made on priority sectors.

Published in Dawn, January 8th, 2021
 
Most of the rise in imports is because the Afghan border fencing is now more or less complete so now imports are coming through legal channels. Same is the reason for increase in official remittances with smuggling stopped hawala hundi brokers don't have much requirement to transfer money abroad so money is coming through official channels instead.
 
-Throw corrupt people behind bars
-Trade with India

Sure that sounds good on paper but without a comprehensive resolution of the kashmir issue or at elast at acknowledgment that this is now on the pathway to resolution this is not a possibility.

-Invest in education
Again good on paper but when nearly half your budget is going towards the payment of debt and the fact we have a devolved system its not easy to ensure this can be done adequatley. In principle every govt is trying to do this. In practical terms you have to managed your money.

-Get rid of different mafias instead of including them in your cabinet
I think we can all agree on this. But this isnt inherently linked to economic progress.

-Put a leash on the the right-wing instead of bending over backwards for them

This is a mere slogan. First you have to identify who is "right wing" in Pakistan. INMHO the western dilineation between right wing and left wing doesnt apply to Pakistan. I think your showing your naivety of the strucutre of Pakistani politics as well as society. A common mistake amongst the diaspora and western educated/western leaning intellectuals within and without pakistan.
-Promote tolerance
Again this is another slogan. But a noble desire. Once again not inherently linked to economics. And I agree we should promote tolerance. this would be linked to the reform of education which this govt is trying to do with a unified curriculum.

-Get rid of state-backed terror outfits
[B]Who are these state backed terror outfits? in principle nobody can deny that if we are sponsoring outfits we should not do so but some more clarity on this and how it links to economics would be better. [/B]
-Appoint people on merit instead of their religiosity
could you give some examples wehre people have been appointed purely on their religiosity? it would help with this discussion. As for appointing via merit, everybody should be appointed via merit and not any other reason.
-Encourage women to take part in the economy
what if they dont want to take part in the economy? or do they not have the choice? The first job of the govt should be to educate our women and then give them the choice to participate. But without workers rights and anti discrimination laws (laws against sexual harrassment and heavy penalties) this is not possible.
-Stop morally policing citizens
Again i dont understand what this means so some examples would be good. Also how would this add to Pakistans economic situation? You need to be a bit more detailed here.


All the above will promote economic growth and encourage tourism. However, no Pakistani politician except Jibran Nasir believes in what I said. Hence, there is so sign that Pakistan's economic status will improve.

I'm surprised you haven't commented on some of the governments schemes to alleviate the economic difficulties this country is facing. if you were truly "on the left" or a centrists even surely you would have alternatives to what they are doing? or perhaps you would agree?

Secondly it seems you are not interested in:
a)universal healthcare. Studies have shown that a healthy populace are more economically productive especially if they are not burdened with health bills.
b)Police reform. i would have thought you would have jumped on this one as reform has been very slow under IK. Law and order is a keystone issue for the economic development of a nation
c)Labour laws. You mentioned the need for women in the economy but how can you ensure women are treated well in the workplace? you need to ensure there are strict laws in place and those laws will be enforced. Also what about unions? do you not agree with labour unions?

This govt has only been in office for two years and has already initiated universal health care and is trying to clamp down on the mafia. At the same time it is failing to do anything about police reform but that is a slow process. It also needs to do more for our labour class and look at sexual harassment legislation to name but a few.

The rest of what you have generally pointed out have no real connection to an economies well being. Just because you are religious or conservative doesnt mean you cant be a good salesman or civil servant.

Finally your emphasis on removing religosity also has no real correlation to economic progress. Just becuase you are a conservative Muslim doesnt mean you cant contribute to the economic success of the country and on the flip side just because you are not religious doesnt mean you will suddenly add ex amounts to the country's economic well being.

Like I said before I suggest you go and do some studying and then come back. There are plenty of students of economics on this forum who can do a much better job of the above than I did.

And one last last point, Jibran Nasir is someone who lacks any real ideology and direction. I suggest you do your own research instead of riding the coat-tails of people like him.
 
I'm surprised you haven't commented on some of the governments schemes to alleviate the economic difficulties this country is facing. if you were truly "on the left" or a centrists even surely you would have alternatives to what they are doing? or perhaps you would agree?

Secondly it seems you are not interested in:
a)universal healthcare. Studies have shown that a healthy populace are more economically productive especially if they are not burdened with health bills.
b)Police reform. i would have thought you would have jumped on this one as reform has been very slow under IK. Law and order is a keystone issue for the economic development of a nation
c)Labour laws. You mentioned the need for women in the economy but how can you ensure women are treated well in the workplace? you need to ensure there are strict laws in place and those laws will be enforced. Also what about unions? do you not agree with labour unions?

This govt has only been in office for two years and has already initiated universal health care and is trying to clamp down on the mafia. At the same time it is failing to do anything about police reform but that is a slow process. It also needs to do more for our labour class and look at sexual harassment legislation to name but a few.

The rest of what you have generally pointed out have no real connection to an economies well being. Just because you are religious or conservative doesnt mean you cant be a good salesman or civil servant.

Finally your emphasis on removing religosity also has no real correlation to economic progress. Just becuase you are a conservative Muslim doesnt mean you cant contribute to the economic success of the country and on the flip side just because you are not religious doesnt mean you will suddenly add ex amounts to the country's economic well being.

Like I said before I suggest you go and do some studying and then come back. There are plenty of students of economics on this forum who can do a much better job of the above than I did.

And one last last point, Jibran Nasir is someone who lacks any real ideology and direction. I suggest you do your own research instead of riding the coat-tails of people like him.

I am on my phone so please bear with me(difficult to quote your exact arguments).

If people are tolerant, they would not go around lynching people. This all will attract tourism leading to a better economy. Getting rid of state-sponsored terror outfits such as JeM and LeT will further enhance Pakistan’s global image leading to tourism.

Regarding the right-wing, having lived in Pakistan, 90% of Pakistanis hold very extreme views about minorities and women. Khadim Rizvi’s funeral is a recent example of such extremism.

Appointing people on merit. Remember what happened to Atif Mian? Also, Christians and Hindus are seen as only being capable of being hygiene workers. In fact, government job ads tell only non-Muslims to apply for positions as hygiene workers.

Stop morally-policing people. Stop banning dramas, apps, books and websites.

Jibran lacks ideology? What a joke. He was the only politician who led protests against Mulla Burqa of Lal Masjid despite the TTP spox personally calling him and threatening him. He was the only lawyer who took up the case of Shahrukh Jatio and how he almost got killed for challenging one of the biggest feudal of Sindh and how BOL News played a dirty role. I suggest you read more about him. Recently, he took up the case of a minor Hindu girl Arzoo, who was forcibly converted to Islam, and married off to a 44 year old man. Not to mention, his social work through his Elaaj Fund charity. You seem ill-informed about him.


All the above would boost Pakistan economy.
 
I am on my phone so please bear with me(difficult to quote your exact arguments).

If people are tolerant, they would not go around lynching people. This all will attract tourism leading to a better economy. Getting rid of state-sponsored terror outfits such as JeM and LeT will further enhance Pakistan’s global image leading to tourism.

I think this is a law and order issue and education issue. Something this govt is looking to address. We dont have mass lynchings in Pakistan on the level of India. Also the Jem and Let's influence is overstated. If the ISI feels it needs proxies in Kashmir while the issue is still hot they will find a way Jem or no Jem. Thus solving Kashmir is important. The govt has banned all of these outfits. Unlike in India where they get elected to the highest level.

Regarding the right-wing, having lived in Pakistan, 90% of Pakistanis hold very extreme views about minorities and women. Khadim Rizvi’s funeral is a recent example of such extremism.

I have also lived in Pakistan. And you are right. This can only eb changed through proper education and the true understanding of Islam. But if our people are worrying about their next meal education isnt high on the list. therefore it is important to provide good education and jobs with law and order. The above will automatically change.

Appointing people on merit. Remember what happened to Atif Mian? Also, Christians and Hindus are seen as only being capable of being hygiene workers. In fact, government job ads tell only non-Muslims to apply for positions as hygiene workers.

Yes I agree with this one. But you mentioned religiosity which I think was probably not what you meant.

Stop morally-policing people. Stop banning dramas, apps, books and websites.

I disagree. We must police what is on these websites. Pornography and explicit material is very detrimental to poor societies with rubbish law and order. It can destroy the family system and cause massive problems. We should be stopping such nonsense. Also we should be promoting family values and better media that is more wholsesome. Hence why i agree with IK bringing in things like Ertugrul. Pakistani media houses need to stop trying to socially engineer our society by

Jibran lacks ideology? What a joke. He was the only politician who led protests against Mulla Burqa of Lal Masjid despite the TTP spox personally calling him and threatening him. He was the only lawyer who took up the case of Shahrukh Jatio and how he almost got killed for challenging one of the biggest feudal of Sindh and how BOL News played a dirty role. I suggest you read more about him. Recently, he took up the case of a minor Hindu girl Arzoo, who was forcibly converted to Islam, and married off to a 44 year old man. Not to mention, his social work through his Elaaj Fund charity. You seem ill-informed about him.


All the above would boost Pakistan economy.

As for Jibran , yes he has done some good stuff but he fundamentally misunderstand the core of Pakistan. The core is the village , pind simple man/woman. City folk who have educated parents and a western outlook will never understand that Pakistan. I have moved in both circles..they dont get it..and never will.but I see your point about him. He is trying his best but ultimately he will fail. Just like Mosharref Zaidi and the other intellectuals we see writing and working for think tanks. They see things from a different perspective and are always wrong..not saying Jibran is always wrong but I do believe he wont be able to make real change.
 
As for Jibran , yes he has done some good stuff but he fundamentally misunderstand the core of Pakistan. The core is the village , pind simple man/woman. City folk who have educated parents and a western outlook will never understand that Pakistan. I have moved in both circles..they dont get it..and never will.but I see your point about him. He is trying his best but ultimately he will fail. Just like Mosharref Zaidi and the other intellectuals we see writing and working for think tanks. They see things from a different perspective and are always wrong..not saying Jibran is always wrong but I do believe he wont be able to make real change.

Regarding moral policing, I did not talk about porn. For example, the government banned Tik Tok because of obscenity. This is madness!

Regarding terror outfits, they are very active. The government is not serious about clamping down on such outfits. Do you know anti-Shia leaders from banned ASWJ are routinely photographed with army officials?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am glad to share that for the first time, Pakistan’s exports to the UK have crossed the 1 billion in the first 6 months of any Financial Year. For Jul-Dec 2020, the exports to UK grew by 21% to USD 1,029 million as compared to USD 852 million in Jul-Dec 2019. 1/3 <a href="https://t.co/zpE4mrwH4Z">pic.twitter.com/zpE4mrwH4Z</a></p>— Abdul Razak Dawood (@razak_dawood) <a href="https://twitter.com/razak_dawood/status/1347822055035723776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am glad to share that for the first time, Pakistan’s exports to the UK have crossed the 1 billion in the first 6 months of any Financial Year. For Jul-Dec 2020, the exports to UK grew by 21% to USD 1,029 million as compared to USD 852 million in Jul-Dec 2019. 1/3 <a href="https://t.co/zpE4mrwH4Z">pic.twitter.com/zpE4mrwH4Z</a></p>— Abdul Razak Dawood (@razak_dawood) <a href="https://twitter.com/razak_dawood/status/1347822055035723776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Once Covid is over I expect a full tour by IK to the UK.they are very keen on getting into the belt and road and Pakistan is their way in. The Brits will always look for opportunities..
 
Price of ghee has gone up by Rs 65 , while cooking oil has gone up by Rs 44 in the last three weeks.
 
Most of the rise in imports is because the Afghan border fencing is now more or less complete so now imports are coming through legal channels. Same is the reason for increase in official remittances with smuggling stopped hawala hundi brokers don't have much requirement to transfer money abroad so money is coming through official channels instead.


Like I have been saying fencing the Afghan border has made a huge difference. In the next few years as the black economy is squeezed further documented economy will grow which will result in higher tax collections.
 
It's shocking how much we depend on imports even for most basic things like cooking oil, ginger, wheat etc
 
‘We will import sugar so the sugar mafia cannot benefit,’ PM.

He is admitting that he has failed miserably to crack down on mafias.
 
‘We will import sugar so the sugar mafia cannot benefit,’ PM.

He is admitting that he has failed miserably to crack down on mafias.

Actually this is the first step in tackling them. They will face justice very soon.
 
Not in a hundred years. There are a part of Khan’s cabinet.

well we will see I guess. Everybody has their majboorian in a corrupt setup like ours. But at least IK is trying and I expect him to deliver by his end of term period.
 
well we will see I guess. Everybody has their majboorian in a corrupt setup like ours. But at least IK is trying and I expect him to deliver by his end of term period.

You are accepting that IK has compromised on his morals and principles. He is like the other two-bit leaders then.
 
You are accepting that IK has compromised on his morals and principles. He is like the other two-bit leaders then.

i didnt say that. He has not done so and wont but when you are the prime minister you don't just go around like a crazy pper smashing things up. He will make his move's when required. You also make sure you ahve enough evidence to put people away.
 
This dramaybaazi of jumping in rankings etc. has no tangible effect on the masses. These are only good for celebrations on social media and by overseas PTI supporters who are out of touch with ground realities.

The poor and the middle-class are suffering like never before. They are no longer interested in rona dhona over the corruption and the performance of previous governments and neither do they buy the future projections of PTI on how things will improve etc.

They have realized that Imran Khan offers nothing other than words and some colorful charts.

He has failed the masses who were swayed with his rhetoric. He took them for a ride for personal gains.

He started out with genuine intentions but his desire to become the PM by hook or crook consumed him. He is no longer the same Imran Khan that joined politics 25+ years ago.

He has backtracked on everything and compromised everything that he stood for. He is no longer a leader for the masses; he is simply just another politician who sold lies to gain what he wanted.
 
This dramaybaazi of jumping in rankings etc. has no tangible effect on the masses. These are only good for celebrations on social media and by overseas PTI supporters who are out of touch with ground realities.

The poor and the middle-class are suffering like never before. They are no longer interested in rona dhona over the corruption and the performance of previous governments and neither do they buy the future projections of PTI on how things will improve etc.

They have realized that Imran Khan offers nothing other than words and some colorful charts.

He has failed the masses who were swayed with his rhetoric. He took them for a ride for personal gains.

He started out with genuine intentions but his desire to become the PM by hook or crook consumed him. He is no longer the same Imran Khan that joined politics 25+ years ago.

He has backtracked on everything and compromised everything that he stood for. He is no longer a leader for the masses; he is simply just another politician who sold lies to gain what he wanted.

Mamoon fighting and worrying for the massess :moyo2:yk

We all know the fantastic leaders of the masses the likes of Sharif's, Bhuttos, Zardari's, Fazlu are
 
Just heard Imran Khan say this:

‘Who can run a nation of 220 million. There are problems everywhere!’

It looks to me that Imran has given up!
 
This dramaybaazi of jumping in rankings etc. has no tangible effect on the masses. These are only good for celebrations on social media and by overseas PTI supporters who are out of touch with ground realities.

The poor and the middle-class are suffering like never before. They are no longer interested in rona dhona over the corruption and the performance of previous governments and neither do they buy the future projections of PTI on how things will improve etc.

They have realized that Imran Khan offers nothing other than words and some colorful charts.

He has failed the masses who were swayed with his rhetoric. He took them for a ride for personal gains.

He started out with genuine intentions but his desire to become the PM by hook or crook consumed him. He is no longer the same Imran Khan that joined politics 25+ years ago.

He has backtracked on everything and compromised everything that he stood for. He is no longer a leader for the masses; he is simply just another politician who sold lies to gain what he wanted.

I challenged you to name a leader that can face the challenges of a bankrupt country, and guess what as always you carp but not even hint of solution. So once again stop running, name someone!
 
Just heard Imran Khan say this:

‘Who can run a nation of 220 million. There are problems everywhere!’

It looks to me that Imran has given up!

As they say, you see what you want to see.
So keep believing whatever comforts you.
We can all openly see what you and your posts are all about.
 
I challenged you to name a leader that can face the challenges of a bankrupt country, and guess what as always you carp but not even hint of solution. So once again stop running, name someone!

You really take good care of him in this section.
Smashing him into shape everytime, yet he comes back for more, almost as if he likes the pain and zillat.
 
You really take good care of him in this section.
Smashing him into shape everytime, yet he comes back for more, almost as if he likes the pain and zillat.

Its a question that has to be answered and he avoids it at every stage. He knows that Billo, Maryam etc al cannot take responsibility for 220m people with their crooked backgrounds and continued efforts to avoid answering for their families stolen wealth.
Its like in the cricket section where he carps at everything and anything but very rarely does he put his alternative because he knows that he will be held to it. And if reading his elementary rubbish on Domestic cricket is anything to go by, its obvious why he avoids giving alternatives.
 
This dramaybaazi of jumping in rankings etc. has no tangible effect on the masses. These are only good for celebrations on social media and by overseas PTI supporters who are out of touch with ground realities.

The poor and the middle-class are suffering like never before. They are no longer interested in rona dhona over the corruption and the performance of previous governments and neither do they buy the future projections of PTI on how things will improve etc.

They have realized that Imran Khan offers nothing other than words and some colorful charts.

He has failed the masses who were swayed with his rhetoric. He took them for a ride for personal gains.

He started out with genuine intentions but his desire to become the PM by hook or crook consumed him. He is no longer the same Imran Khan that joined politics 25+ years ago.

He has backtracked on everything and compromised everything that he stood for. He is no longer a leader for the masses; he is simply just another politician who sold lies to gain what he wanted.

You don't live in the West but if you did you might just learn the fact that perception and confidence are 2 main pillars of investment.

The most hillarious aspect in your post above is you claim rankings don't matter but clearly in the cricket section, most of your arguments are based on rankings.

Furthermore this is not a jump in rankings, it's a trend, and when it comes to investment the trend is your friend; which is precisely why the likes of Bloomberg acknowledge IK's effort and success when it comes to investment opportunities in Pakistan.

Pakistan ETFs have jumped nearly 20% in the past 6 months, and no matter how much you cry, nothing will change the trend for sometime unless your brown envelope masters return.
 
You don't live in the West but if you did you might just learn the fact that perception and confidence are 2 main pillars of investment.

The most hillarious aspect in your post above is you claim rankings don't matter but clearly in the cricket section, most of your arguments are based on rankings.

Furthermore this is not a jump in rankings, it's a trend, and when it comes to investment the trend is your friend; which is precisely why the likes of Bloomberg acknowledge IK's effort and success when it comes to investment opportunities in Pakistan.

Pakistan ETFs have jumped nearly 20% in the past 6 months, and no matter how much you cry, nothing will change the trend for sometime unless your brown envelope masters return.

Spare me the lectures. I am well aware of how PTI supporters function,

If there was a downturn in ease of business rankings etc., would PTI supporters pin the blame on Imran’s government? Absolutely not.

They would, as usual, blame the performance of the previous governments and claim that the mess they left behind is hard to overcome but at least Imran is trying.

That is how predictable PTI supporters are. You can predict what they say or what they are going to do well in advance.

The have created a very convenient formula: anything that goes wrong under PTI government is because of the previous governments, but if anything goes right, it is because of PTI government.

Unfortunately for them, the nation is no longer willing to get fooled. People are slowly but surely getting fed up of this convenient drama. They want tangible results and this government cannot give them.

It also appears that Imran himself has had a bitter dose of reality. Things escalated very quickly over the last 2.5 years. It seems that he has realized, the hard way, that being the PM is more challenging than and different to being a cricket captain.

From “ghabrana nahi hai” to “22 crore ka mulk kaun chala sakta”.

Looks like he is looking for a way out, just like he did after the 2014 long march, where he used the APS tragedy as an excuse to end the march after it hit a dead-end.

PTI supporters in 2018:

Imran Khan will bring tabdeeli. Pakistan has finally found a true leader who will take the country to new heights and show the previous governments what a competent leader looks like.

Imran Khan in 2021:

“22 crore ka mulk kaun chala sakta hai”

:)))
 
Spare me the lectures. I am well aware of how PTI supporters function,

If there was a downturn in ease of business rankings etc., would PTI supporters pin the blame on Imran’s government? Absolutely not.

They would, as usual, blame the performance of the previous governments and claim that the mess they left behind is hard to overcome but at least Imran is trying.

That is how predictable PTI supporters are. You can predict what they say or what they are going to do well in advance.

The have created a very convenient formula: anything that goes wrong under PTI government is because of the previous governments, but if anything goes right, it is because of PTI government.

Unfortunately for them, the nation is no longer willing to get fooled. People are slowly but surely getting fed up of this convenient drama. They want tangible results and this government cannot give them.

It also appears that Imran himself has had a bitter dose of reality. Things escalated very quickly over the last 2.5 years. It seems that he has realized, the hard way, that being the PM is more challenging than and different to being a cricket captain.

From “ghabrana nahi hai” to “22 crore ka mulk kaun chala sakta”.

Looks like he is looking for a way out, just like he did after the 2014 long march, where he used the APS tragedy as an excuse to end the march after it hit a dead-end.

PTI supporters in 2018:

Imran Khan will bring tabdeeli. Pakistan has finally found a true leader who will take the country to new heights and show the previous governments what a competent leader looks like.

Imran Khan in 2021:

“22 crore ka mulk kaun chala sakta hai”

:)))

Says you who voted for IK. You are a PTI supporter yourself. So what's your point again?

Anyway, Foreign investors disagree with you, so come back with another hymn sheet.

:)
 
I challenged you to name a leader that can face the challenges of a bankrupt country, and guess what as always you carp but not even hint of solution. So once again stop running, name someone!

I asked for his solution. i believe its around somewhere up there. Its beyond laughable. Just humour the child so he can get his daily fix.
 
Disappeared without answering once again.

Bro i dont think he is who he says he is. You can just tell from some of the posts. I find it hard to believe that even the most sceptical of Pakistani's would say and do the things he does in this forum.
 
The improvement in ease of business ranking is a result of PTI’s robust economic reforms but the recent power blackout and the impounding of a PIA plane in Malaysia is a result of previous government’s incompetency. Interesting!
 
‘We will import sugar so the sugar mafia cannot benefit,’ PM.

He is admitting that he has failed miserably to crack down on mafias.

Here is action being taken against Oil mafia
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Under the directions of Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>, 609 petrol pumps have been sealed and about 4.5 million litres of petrol & diesel have been seized in the campaign against oil smugglers in the country. <a href="https://t.co/IAG1btAr8Z">pic.twitter.com/IAG1btAr8Z</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1350013603227824128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sugar mafia is running ads against sitting government just because there is crackdown against them for the first time in history.

Then there is massive crackdown against land mafia, flour mafia and we all know what's happening with PDM political mafia. Do you really think it was going to be done overnight? It took them decades to capture this system so let's not just sit down and clap in excitement that Imran Khan is failing to finish all kind of mafias in 2 years.
 
The improvement in ease of business ranking is a result of PTI’s robust economic reforms but the recent power blackout and the impounding of a PIA plane in Malaysia is a result of previous government’s incompetency. Interesting!

Is it that difficult to understand. Somethings can be fixed quicker than others. Changing a tyre is quicker than changing the engine
 
Inflation is still high, no reforms or implementation when it comes to rule of law and justice, it is getting too late! The ground realities are not good I am afraid.
 
People are expecting overnight miracles from the government. sometimes it takes a decade for the reforms and policies to start showing up.
 
Inflation is still high, no reforms or implementation when it comes to rule of law and justice, it is getting too late! The ground realities are not good I am afraid.

In traditional economic theory inflation is either cost push and demand pull inflation. In PK its not the latter, its a combination of Cost Push because of higher import costs and electricity prices due to the Rps being weak as our CAD was very high and the mafia blackmailing the govt over things like Sugar prices. The 2nd one is deliberate and political to bring down an elected govt. Look at the price rises of sugar and compare it when the Nooras and PPP start their agitation programmes.
 
-Throw corrupt people behind bars
-Trade with India
-Invest in education
-Get rid of different mafias instead of including them in your cabinet
-Put a leash on the the right-wing instead of bending over backwards for them
-Promote tolerance
-Get rid of state-backed terror outfits
-Appoint people on merit instead of their religiosity
-Encourage women to take part in the economy
-Stop morally policing citizens


All the above will promote economic growth and encourage tourism. However, no Pakistani politician except Jibran Nasir believes in what I said. Hence, there is so sign that Pakistan's economic status will improve.

You are correct.

Pakistan has abundant human talent. If investors are provided security for their investments, they will flock to Pakistan. That requires getting the Army out of domestic life, and no more Pulwama's or Balkots in the future.
 
You are correct.

Pakistan has abundant human talent. If investors are provided security for their investments, they will flock to Pakistan. That requires getting the Army out of domestic life, and no more Pulwama's or Balkots in the future.

Pakistan had nothing to do with Pulwma attack and India let it happen purposely hence the loss of ur army personnel felt like a win in some circles in India. You should worry about that to be honest instead of blaming Pakistan. Balakot tree loss was cause by an Indian initiative which could escalate the situation and result in full scale war.

So spare us from ur false rhetoric. In the light of both of these scenarios Pakistan should be worried about India where attack on a soverign country is done as election gimmick. You should worry about your own poor people because there is no shortage for it and such actions wont only harm Pakistani economy but Indian too.
 
You are correct.

Pakistan has abundant human talent. If investors are provided security for their investments, they will flock to Pakistan. That requires getting the Army out of domestic life, and no more Pulwama's or Balkots in the future.

I think you need to read up a bit more on your PM and his establishment killing Ind soldiers to win elections. I bet you are happy that 40 were killed to win an election
 
Inflation is still high, no reforms or implementation when it comes to rule of law and justice, it is getting too late! The ground realities are not good I am afraid.

I cant speak for the people as it is very difficult for them at the moment and the govt has to find a balanced way to deal with inflation and debt but at the same time provide some kind of relief where it can.

However , long term there are no easy solutions. Lets say IK loses the next election and the nawaz family return, it will be nice for two years but then the whole country will go to hell after three or four. You just cant keep running a country like that.
 
You are correct.

Pakistan has abundant human talent. If investors are provided security for their investments, they will flock to Pakistan. That requires getting the Army out of domestic life, and no more Pulwama's or Balkots in the future.

As long as Pakistan is facing a rogue regime on its borders the people will support the army. Maybe your govt should stop creating fake news and carrying out false flag attacks.
 
Mortgaging of Islamabad park planned to get Rs500bn loan


wow. I thought the economy was doing absolutely amazing but apparently according to reports, due to financial issues the government has decided to mortgage the F-9 park of the federal capital to get a loan of about Rs500bn through issuing bonds.

The government isn't able to issue sovereign bonds to raise the required funds? I wonder why that is? possibly due to the fact that confidence in the existing government is so low that a simple guarantee of money from the state just doesn't cut it anymore?

Waiting for the blame on previous governments even though IK has been in power for 3 years now. I'm sure this lack of trust in the government which prohibits them from issuing sovereign bongs is also PMLN's fault just like everything else that has been happening.
 
Mortgaging of Islamabad park planned to get Rs500bn loan


wow. I thought the economy was doing absolutely amazing but apparently according to reports, due to financial issues the government has decided to mortgage the F-9 park of the federal capital to get a loan of about Rs500bn through issuing bonds.

The government isn't able to issue sovereign bonds to raise the required funds? I wonder why that is? possibly due to the fact that confidence in the existing government is so low that a simple guarantee of money from the state just doesn't cut it anymore?

Waiting for the blame on previous governments even though IK has been in power for 3 years now. I'm sure this lack of trust in the government which prohibits them from issuing sovereign bongs is also PMLN's fault just like everything else that has been happening.

Yes. I read that too! I remember when NS did something similar, all hell broke loose! But, our economy is booming!
 
You are correct.

Pakistan has abundant human talent. If investors are provided security for their investments, they will flock to Pakistan. That requires getting the Army out of domestic life, and no more Pulwama's or Balkots in the future.

Pakistan does not have abundant human talent. Neither does India, USA, Germany, etc.

Only a very few people % wise are talented. Most people are average.
 
Pakistan does not have abundant human talent. Neither does India, USA, Germany, etc.

Only a very few people % wise are talented. Most people are average.

Yes, the average may be average, but there are lots of very talented people who leave for the West, as also happens in India. Lots of doctors, lawyers, MBAs, engineers etc. from South Asia migrate to the West. It used to be very common in India, but now due to the development of some modern industries in India, it has reduced.

Maybe I should have said "locally unutilized talent" instead of "abundant talent".
 
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As long as Pakistan is facing a rogue regime on its borders the people will support the army. Maybe your govt should stop creating fake news and carrying out false flag attacks.

Thinking of India as a "rogue regime" and blaming it for Pakistan's lack of development may make you feel better, but will contribute zero or less to Pakistan's actual development.
 
Yes, the average may be average, but there are lots of very talented people who leave for the West, as also happens in India. Lots of doctors, lawyers, MBAs, engineers etc. from South Asia migrate to the West. It used to be very common in India, but now due to the development of some modern industries in India, it has reduced.

Maybe I should have said "locally unutilized talent" instead of "abundant talent".

Yep lots of international indian students are actually going back home instead of trying to stay in the states now a days

For them the hasel of residency process is not worth it now a days (before joshilla types start lecturing us about shinning india)
 
Yep lots of international indian students are actually going back home instead of trying to stay in the states now a days

For them the hasel of residency process is not worth it now a days (before joshilla types start lecturing us about shinning india)

60+ year wait to get a GC for Indians. But I suppose Bakhts can use it to say Indians don't immigrate anymore, even though they continue to fall over each other for H1Bs and immigration to other countries like Canada.
 
Thinking of India as a "rogue regime" and blaming it for Pakistan's lack of development may make you feel better, but will contribute zero or less to Pakistan's actual development.

deflection. You are incapable of self reflection and that is why the situation will continue.
We know why your so obsessed with the Pakistan army. Its the one institution that can keep your regimes hegemonic dreams at bay. Hence why the need for a 15 year disinformation campaign that you cleverly try and avoid talking about.

India is now a rogue regime that supports ISIS in afghanistan, BLA terrorists in Pakistan and numerous other anti national groups around the region. The govt is initiating draconian measures to oppress your large Muslim majority for its own ideological aims. There is no denying any of this. They have been found complicit in the murder of Pakistani school children and also other terrorist bobmings like the killing of Pakistani citizens in the samjota express murders. These very same people are now in charge of nuclear weapons. To the extent that they were willing to put global peace at stake for their own elections. By any definition that is a rogue regime.
 
60+ year wait to get a GC for Indians. But I suppose Bakhts can use it to say Indians don't immigrate anymore, even though they continue to fall over each other for H1Bs and immigration to other countries like Canada.

Didn't Canada want 100 mil plus pop
If yes than why give college educated/english speaking professionals 60+ wait time

They should eagerly welcome them, they fit all the criterias
Doesn't make sense to me
 
deflection. You are incapable of self reflection and that is why the situation will continue.

You need to decide what is important to you? That Indians "self reflect" or Pakistan develops?

We know why your so obsessed with the Pakistan army. Its the one institution that can keep your regimes hegemonic dreams at bay. Hence why the need for a 15 year disinformation campaign that you cleverly try and avoid talking about.

Some statements by nationalistic hotheads notwithstanding, no sane Indian would ever want to take over Pakistan with its bankrupt economy (which lacks modern industries) and numerous problems.
 
Yep lots of international indian students are actually going back home instead of trying to stay in the states now a days

For them the hasel of residency process is not worth it now a days (before joshilla types start lecturing us about shinning india)

Let me just say, that a graduate from IIT and other engineering colleges now earns approximately 5 times (after accounting for inflation) compared to what I got a few decades earlier. So, it is both a push (harder to get GC) and pull (bigger salaries) factors which are keeping Indian graduates home.
 
You need to decide what is important to you? That Indians "self reflect" or Pakistan develops?



Some statements by nationalistic hotheads notwithstanding, no sane Indian would ever want to take over Pakistan with its bankrupt economy (which lacks modern industries) and numerous problems.

Sorry but are you living in the middle ages? Nobody takes over a nation lock stock and barrel these days. Hegemony doesnt mean you waltz into Pakistan. In the 21st century Hegemony means you can bomb Islamabad whenever you want. It means you can control the trade routes and economy of another nation without sending in thousands of troops. It means you can control the live of a populace without having to use a bayonet.

India's aim has always been to have a Pakistan always on the brink but not quite over it. Controlled chaos and denuclearisation, control of the trade routes and control of the country's natural resources it can get its hands on e.g. the fertile plains of Punjab, water and minerals. Be this via proxies or other means.

To this day indians never ever acknowledge your atrocities and what you have done. Its always "bhai aap nay panga liya thaa, apna kusoor hay" which is a blatant lie. And has been proven to be the case.

With regards to "development" well looking at how your country is going development isnt just about money and wealth in the hands of a few. Its more than that and development doesnt mean squat if you dont have a sharp sword to defend your fields.
 
Sorry but are you living in the middle ages? Nobody takes over a nation lock stock and barrel these days. Hegemony doesnt mean you waltz into Pakistan. In the 21st century Hegemony means you can bomb Islamabad whenever you want. It means you can control the trade routes and economy of another nation without sending in thousands of troops. It means you can control the live of a populace without having to use a bayonet.

India's aim has always been to have a Pakistan always on the brink but not quite over it. Controlled chaos and denuclearisation, control of the trade routes and control of the country's natural resources it can get its hands on e.g. the fertile plains of Punjab, water and minerals. Be this via proxies or other means.

To this day indians never ever acknowledge your atrocities and what you have done. Its always "bhai aap nay panga liya thaa, apna kusoor hay" which is a blatant lie. And has been proven to be the case.

With regards to "development" well looking at how your country is going development isnt just about money and wealth in the hands of a few. Its more than that and development doesnt mean squat if you dont have a sharp sword to defend your fields.

You think that "trade routes" and "agricultural land" are important for an economy in the modern world and accuse me of living in the "Middle Ages"? Agriculture is now 4% of world GDP.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...sectors-in-the-global-gross-domestic-product/

Bombing a country gets you a "trade route" through that country? Also, I think India is quite happy without "trade routes" to Uzbekistan, a country in even worse shape economically than Pakistan.

Thinking that trade routes and agricultural output that is now 4% of world GDP matter is definitely "Middle Ages" thinking. Your name "The Great Khan" is quite appropriate given your ideas.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
You think that "trade routes" and "agricultural land" are important for an economy in the modern world and accuse me of living in the "Middle Ages"? Agriculture is now 4% of world GDP.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...sectors-in-the-global-gross-domestic-product/

Bombing a country gets you a "trade route" through that country? Also, I think India is quite happy without "trade routes" to Uzbekistan, a country in even worse shape economically than Pakistan.

Thinking that trade routes and agricultural output that is now 4% of world GDP matter is definitely "Middle Ages" thinking. Your name "The Great Khan" is quite appropriate given your ideas.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

Not sure about the overall discussion but from a 2018 report, agriculture employs more than 50% of the Indian work force and contributes 17–18% to country's GDP. Pakistan's agriculture sector contributes 18.9 percent to GDP and absorbs 42.3 percent of labour force.
 
You think that "trade routes" and "agricultural land" are important for an economy in the modern world and accuse me of living in the "Middle Ages"? Agriculture is now 4% of world GDP.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...sectors-in-the-global-gross-domestic-product/

Bombing a country gets you a "trade route" through that country? Also, I think India is quite happy without "trade routes" to Uzbekistan, a country in even worse shape economically than Pakistan.

Thinking that trade routes and agricultural output that is now 4% of world GDP matter is definitely "Middle Ages" thinking. Your name "The Great Khan" is quite appropriate given your ideas.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

Im sorry but which planet do you live on? What is connectivity? Trade routes are even more important now than ever before. How do you think Europe gets its food and supplies? by a Star trek teleporter? This is the problem with people who have your mentality, the deniers. Why is India so fixated upon the Quad? Hell why is the US in the pacific? because of the malacca straits. Why are they important? What about tehs trait of Hormuz. The Suez canal. the belt and road. But I guess everyone creating new connectivity (just another word for trade routes) are unintelligent..hilariously stupid post that lacks depth and exposes your whimsical idea of the world and its geopolitics.
 
Just heard Imran Khan say this:

‘Who can run a nation of 220 million. There are problems everywhere!’

It looks to me that Imran has given up!

For someone so grossly obsessed with IK, you sure seem to pick and choose what quotes you want to mention.

It's 2021 mate, and this isn't some generic Tabloid headline. It is a discussion board.

As it stands. IK has done far more for Pakistan than Bhutto and Sharif combined. Unless of course you care to disagree and provide some evidence as to why.
 
For someone so grossly obsessed with IK, you sure seem to pick and choose what quotes you want to mention.

It's 2021 mate, and this isn't some generic Tabloid headline. It is a discussion board.

As it stands. IK has done far more for Pakistan than Bhutto and Sharif combined. Unless of course you care to disagree and provide some evidence as to why.

his evidence is one line slogans. He's just an Indian troll.
 
For someone so grossly obsessed with IK, you sure seem to pick and choose what quotes you want to mention.

It's 2021 mate, and this isn't some generic Tabloid headline. It is a discussion board.

As it stands. IK has done far more for Pakistan than Bhutto and Sharif combined. Unless of course you care to disagree and provide some evidence as to why.

If you want to shut him up ask about Yadav and his Balochistan adventures
 
Not sure about the overall discussion but from a 2018 report, agriculture employs more than 50% of the Indian work force and contributes 17–18% to country's GDP. Pakistan's agriculture sector contributes 18.9 percent to GDP and absorbs 42.3 percent of labour force.

That's true, but if you look at the Statistia link it says agriculture is 4% of the world's GDP. It is crazy to imagine that India would try to annex "Punjab's agricultural lands". In the modern world developing an economy requires building modern industries, not casting covetous glances at neighbors' agricultural lands. Last ruler to think that was Hitler who wanted the Ukrainian breadbasket, and we all know how that ended :))
 
For someone so grossly obsessed with IK, you sure seem to pick and choose what quotes you want to mention.

It's 2021 mate, and this isn't some generic Tabloid headline. It is a discussion board.

As it stands. IK has done far more for Pakistan than Bhutto and Sharif combined. Unless of course you care to disagree and provide some evidence as to why.

The headline is self-explanatory. Why do I need to write a paragraph and explain what IK meant?
 
The headline is self-explanatory. Why do I need to write a paragraph and explain what IK meant?

Are you seriously going to use an extract of a quote to make your own point ?

Im sensing a pattern here. You seem to offer alot of ranting and frothing at the mouth, but nothing of substance in points.
 
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