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Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Well done young lad.
 
he now has a test century in England, one of the hardest things to do in cricket, definitely a better batsmen than ours
 
hadi123 said:
he now has a test century in England, one of the hardest things to do in cricket, definitely a better batsmen than ours
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I am sure Darren Sammy has a century on the same pitch :) But anyways credit where it is due i know the pitch was flat but still an excellent knock and smith has performed better with the bat compared to the other australians this series.
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

What a thread lol. Smithy copped a lot of hate. While I didn't hate him, I thought of him as nothing More than a bits and pieces player. Good on him to improve and smash a brilliant ton. Happy to be proven wrong.
 
I thought he was ordinary (and have been proven me wrong big time!) but to be calling him the worst Aussie player in history was ridiculous, especially when he was just 22.
 
Respect given. He's definitely tightened up his technique with the bat, looks much better than he did a year or so ago.
 
He has more mental toughness than most Aussies batsmen. He may not be the most eye-catching players to watch but he sure makes up for it with determination.
 
Fair play to him. Respect points gained.

England fans now take him seriously. Until this season we just didn't rate him, and moreover there was some ill feeling for a cringeworthy non-caughtandbowled he tried to claim on our last tour.

I don't see how the OP has been rubbished though, particularly. It was made ages ago. At the time, the statement had credibility. Smith looked absolutely awful when he started out. Each thread is born from a moment, or even a zeitgeist.

At least some posters are willing to publicise their hypotheses and gut feelings, and stick their necks out. It doesn't make anyone funny or clever to come in years later out of the opinionless woodwork and be like omg lol u were wrong.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
Is this the worst thread in history?
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I once made a thread on Irfan pathan in my early days. That probably takes the cake. But then there are so many bad threads on here. Like Tanvir captain, Malik support, Chawla, Ishant Sharma 100mph, can't sleep alone, want to buy a leopard etc
 
James said:
Fair play to him. Respect points gained.

England fans now take him seriously. Until this season we just didn't rate him, and moreover there was some ill feeling for a cringeworthy non-caughtandbowled he tried to claim on our last tour.

I don't see how the OP has been rubbished though, particularly. It was made ages ago. At the time, the statement had credibility. Smith looked absolutely awful when he started out. Each thread is born from a moment, or even a zeitgeist.

At least some posters are willing to publicise their hypotheses and gut feelings, and stick their necks out. It doesn't make anyone funny or clever to come in years later out of the opinionless woodwork and be like omg lol u were wrong.
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I agree with everything but at no point in his career was Smith bad enough to be termed the "worst Australian cricketer in history". That was a massive, massive overstatement and the OP deserves all the slack he is getting.

There is a big difference in calling someone mediocre/average/poor/overhyped/overrated and "worst ever".
 
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James said:
Fair play to him. Respect points gained.

England fans now take him seriously. Until this season we just didn't rate him, and moreover there was some ill feeling for a cringeworthy non-caughtandbowled he tried to claim on our last tour.

I don't see how the OP has been rubbished though, particularly. It was made ages ago. At the time, the statement had credibility. Smith looked absolutely awful when he started out. Each thread is born from a moment, or even a zeitgeist.

At least some posters are willing to publicise their hypotheses and gut feelings, and stick their necks out. It doesn't make anyone funny or clever to come in years later out of the opinionless woodwork and be like omg lol u were wrong.
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Lol yes he was pretty bad when he started. I think his ordinary name also contributed.
 
Saqs said:
I once made a thread on Irfan pathan in my early days. That probably takes the cake. But then there are so many bad threads on here. Like Tanvir captain, Malik support, Chawla, Ishant Sharma 100mph, can't sleep alone, want to buy a leopard etc
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Bad form.

Sleeping alone is a confession and having the aspirations of petting a leopard is a desire. Both are not quantifiable and hence cannot be put into the category of good or bad threads.
 
shaz619 said:
I am sure Darren Sammy has a century on the same pitch :) But anyways credit where it is due i know the pitch was flat but still an excellent knock and smith has performed better with the bat compared to the other australians this series.
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Well I meant better than our batting all rounders performances with their bat, ie :hafeez sammy is better than him too as a batsman
 
Sammy is a garbage cricketer who is in the good books of people only because of his happy go persona and humble personality. Judge the cricketer not the person and he's complete tripe as a cricketer.
 
Saqs said:
Lol yes he was pretty bad when he started. I think his ordinary name also contributed.
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lol. 'Steve Smith'. It would be like calling your band 'Loose Change' or something.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Sammy is a garbage cricketer who is in the good books of people only because of his happy go persona and humble personality. Judge the cricketer not the person and he's complete tripe as a cricketer.
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Come on, this is as ridiculous as the OP. Guy has 77 Test wickets and 1160 runs in Test cricket including a century against the mighty England. Definitely nothing special but far from "utter tripe". Utter tripe is the stuff delivered by that excuse of a spinner that these English fans have hyped to high heaven as usual.
 
It is interesting to note, in Pakistan cricket is opposite.

Our talented batsmen as they move along, they regressed and started to look ordinary and in other teams, batsmen started to get mature with time.

Bottom line, there is no secret to find a batsman. Selectors and fans have to be patience with the talented batsman, it takes time for him to get mature. It is not an overnight procedure.
 
cars112 said:
Come on, this is as ridiculous as the OP. Guy has 77 Test wickets and 1160 runs in Test cricket including a century against the mighty England. Definitely nothing special but far from "utter tripe". Utter tripe is the stuff delivered by that excuse of a spinner that these English fans have hyped to high heaven as usual.
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He averages less than 23 with the bat in both formats.

Averages 44 with the ball in ODIs and 34 in Tests which is his only slightly saving grace.

If a hundred in England is all that matters, Agarkar has a test hundred at Lord's too. :kapil

Sammy is as rubbish as international cricketer can be. Perhaps Luke Ronchi takes the cake though but Sammy gives him very strong competition.
 
zaid65 said:
It is interesting to note, in Pakistan cricket is opposite.

Our talented batsmen as they move along, they regressed and started to look ordinary and in other teams, batsmen started to get mature with time.

Bottom line, there is no secret to find a batsman. Selectors and fans have to be patience with the talented batsman, it takes time for him to get mature. It is not an overnight procedure.
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There is a difference in the mentality of the players as well.

Smith hasn't been given a consistent run either and has been in out of the team but has taken that positively.

On the other hand, all it took was missing out on a couple of ODIs for Jamshed to lose the plot.

International cricket is all about results. It isn't a place to work on your flaws. You have domestic cricket for it.

The margin of error at the top level is very small unless you are Afridi, Farhat, Kamran, Malik and Younis (ODIs only).

Few bad games and someone else will take your spot but it doesn't mean you crumble under pressure.
 
Always knew he had it in him, he has the Australian fighting spirit a quality which isn't shown often by Australian batsmen these days.
 
Has come along in a big way, impressed in Indian conditions and now in English conditions.

But, he is a number 6 batsman. Thats where he should bat. Number six and bowl a bit. Leave him there.
 
Random Aussie said:
Has come along in a big way, impressed in Indian conditions and now in English conditions.

But, he is a number 6 batsman. Thats where he should bat. Number six and bowl a bit. Leave him there.
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Yea he has improved a lot. Just the occasional rush of blood which makes it hard bat him above 6.
 
Never rated him, but he's done pretty well in last two series and it would be criminal not to appreciate him. I hope he will keep working on his technical deficiencies. All can go south very quickly if he stops working hard.
 
zaid65 said:
It is interesting to note, in Pakistan cricket is opposite.

Our talented batsmen as they move along, they regressed and started to look ordinary and in other teams, batsmen started to get mature with time.

Bottom line, there is no secret to find a batsman. Selectors and fans have to be patience with the talented batsman, it takes time for him to get mature. It is not an overnight procedure.
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Very true, your batters seem to get worse by being in the national team.
 
Random Aussie said:
Has come along in a big way, impressed in Indian conditions and now in English conditions.

But, he is a number 6 batsman. Thats where he should bat. Number six and bowl a bit. Leave him there.
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OZGOD said:
Yea he has improved a lot. Just the occasional rush of blood which makes it hard bat him above 6.
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He has played 3 good knocks in this series so far at number 5. Why you guys wanna move him from that position?
 
James said:
Fair play to him. Respect points gained.

England fans now take him seriously. Until this season we just didn't rate him, and moreover there was some ill feeling for a cringeworthy non-caughtandbowled he tried to claim on our last tour.

I don't see how the OP has been rubbished though, particularly. It was made ages ago. At the time, the statement had credibility. Smith looked absolutely awful when he started out. Each thread is born from a moment, or even a zeitgeist.

At least some posters are willing to publicise their hypotheses and gut feelings, and stick their necks out. It doesn't make anyone funny or clever to come in years later out of the opinionless woodwork and be like omg lol u were wrong.
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Yep.
I remember in our tour match after the second or the third tests all the BBC Radio guys were saying that he was a test number 8 or 9 at best.
 
Anfield said:
He has played 3 good knocks in this series so far at number 5. Why you guys wanna move him from that position?
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Because he seems intuitively to be a number 6 batsman, counter attacks, bowls a bit of spin, good fielder. Natural successor to Hussey IMO.
 
Random Aussie said:
Because he seems intuitively to be a number 6 batsman, counter attacks, bowls a bit of spin, good fielder. Natural successor to Hussey IMO.
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Have to agree. Smith is a natural number 6.
I don't think he'll be a great batsman but he will be test standard and he will be a useful part time bowler.

Clarke is a natural number 5 so that is where he goes.
Watson hopefully can build on this and he can slot in at number 3 or 4 with Hughes taking the other spot.
 
Random Aussie said:
Because he seems intuitively to be a number 6 batsman, counter attacks, bowls a bit of spin, good fielder. Natural successor to Hussey IMO.
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I agree but his 138 not out showed that he wants to score big not throw it away after scoring a ton. A batsman hungry of runs should bat in top 5. IMO Hussey should have also batted in top 5 but since he was so good with the tail you can probably say he was the best man for that position.
 
Anfield said:
I agree but his 138 not out showed that he wants to score big not throw it away after scoring a ton. A batsman hungry of runs should bat in top 5. IMO Hussey should have also batted in top 5 but since he was so good with the tail you can probably say he was the best man for that position.
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Ideally any batsman who isn't hungry for runs should be dropped and marked never to play for Australia again.
 
Convict said:
Ideally any batsman who isn't hungry for runs should be dropped and marked never to play for Australia again.
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ideally, yes, realistically right now Australia don't have the luxury of chopping players.

P.S Mo hungry for runs = giving away his wicket after scoring a 50.
 
He did well in India and now in Eng. Shaping up nicely.
 
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4th highest average at #5.... right behind 3 Australian greats.... :)

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Mamoon_ said:
Sammy is a garbage cricketer who is in the good books of people only because of his happy go persona and humble personality. Judge the cricketer not the person and he's complete tripe as a cricketer.
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Darren Sammy scored his century at No 8, he is essentially a bowler who can bat.
How many No.8s score centuries?
 
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He certainly wasn't the worst Australian to ever played but he definitely improved, his strokes and some of the drivers were awesome to watch. He doesn't have very traditional stance nor style but we do need more unorthodox cricketers like him
 
Space Cat said:
Nathan McCullum to score 5 test centuries and take 50 wickets in the next year!
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I wonder how Nathan gets to play so many games for NZ. I know nepotism isn't that rife in countries like NZ unlike SC but has it anything to do with him being related to the captain?
 
As for the OP even though I too didn't use to rate him highly but this thread is massively OTT. Fair play to the OP though. That was just an opinion which went wrong, happens to all of us.
 
Best part about Smith is that he is ready to fight it out in the middle unlike some of his more illustrious compatriots. Bit OTT, but he seems to be coming straight from AB school of grit and passion for playing for your country.
 
Technically looks awful but probably could get away with batting number 6 in test matches. Hes got loads of grit and seems to make the most of his limitations. Hes batted pretty well in this ashes series and should get a run in the side for atleast the start of the next ashes series.
 
ST1998 said:
I wonder how Nathan gets to play so many games for NZ. I know nepotism isn't that rife in countries like NZ unlike SC but has it anything to do with him being related to the captain?
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because he's a decent all rounder
 
He is kind of player whom you won't hope to score, but you'll see him scoring. He has good attitude and approach towards his batting.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Technically looks awful but probably could get away with batting number 6 in test matches. Hes got loads of grit and seems to make the most of his limitations. Hes batted pretty well in this ashes series and should get a run in the side for atleast the start of the next ashes series.
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Probably Australia's second best player of spin after Clarke and is is a fighter so he fits in perfectly at 6.

Mamoon_ said:
Bad form.

Sleeping alone is a confession and having the aspirations of petting a leopard is a desire. Both are not quantifiable and hence cannot be put into the category of good or bad threads.
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I hope my video didn't end those aspirations :kapil
 
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hadi123 said:
because he's a decent all rounder
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'Fraid not. He is very mediocre. He and Franklin are travellers in the same boat though Franklin threatened to be a top quality bowler and a bowling allrounder for every few seconds in his career. He is useful to keep the runflow down in ODI, T20 and also for some slogs. He is a very good fielder but so are many others in NZ who are better than him in batting/bowling. He is the "Bits-and-pieces" trope played blindingly straight.
 
leatherface58 said:
'Fraid not. He is very mediocre. He and Franklin are travellers in the same boat though Franklin threatened to be a top quality bowler and a bowling allrounder for every few seconds in his career. He is useful to keep the runflow down in ODI, T20 and also for some slogs. He is a very good fielder but so are many others in NZ who are better than him in batting/bowling. He is the "Bits-and-pieces" trope played blindingly straight.
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Or the Kiwi "Bits-and-pieces" as we call it over here in Australia.
 
Convict said:
Or the Kiwi "Bits-and-pieces" as we call it over here in Australia.
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How was it watching the "Kiwi" beating the wannabe for the 11th year straight
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Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Yes well I did put a disclaimer in my OP. Still a chance of that happening
 
ST1998 said:
I wonder how Nathan gets to play so many games for NZ. I know nepotism isn't that rife in countries like NZ unlike SC but has it anything to do with him being related to the captain?
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He's Pippin to Brendon's Merry.
 
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It's actually going to happen. He will have an Ashes urn and may help Aus win the Cup in two years time. Lol. Good on him.
 
Gutsy player. Too much expectation placed on him at the start, seemed like neither he or anybody else was sure just what his role would be. Has came back and defined himself.

Always good to see a youngster stand up and be counted. Shane Warne made the point after the match that all centuries are counted as equal when it comes to stats, the game situation is quickly forgotten when statistics are analysed in the future. Those of us who witnessed his knock today will know how special it was.
 
He seems to be grinding out a career. Whats his current average.
Will be interesting to see how he performs in SA next year.
 
soso_killer said:
He seems to be grinding out a career. Whats his current average.
Will be interesting to see how he performs in SA next year.
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Currently is 37.

Interesting this is a slightly better record than Clarke at the same age and number of tests.

42 since his return though. And unlike the rest of Australia's batsmen has learnt patience.
 
I find him quite impressive. He has two centuries in his last five tests and puts more revs on the ball than Swann.
 
Convict said:
Currently is 37.

Interesting this is a slightly better record than Clarke at the same age and number of tests.

42 since his return though. And unlike the rest of Australia's batsmen has learnt patience.
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thats not a bad away average really. IIRC he played well on "doctored" pitches of India with two scores of 50+. I think he has a century in England too.
Not the best player in the world but definately not the worst.
 
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Robert said:
I find him quite impressive. He has two centuries in his last five tests and puts more revs on the ball than Swann.
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To be fair he is a leggie so naturally he will put more revs on it, he can bowl some rippers but bowls some absolute trash too LOL.

Surely he can improve his consistency with his bowling and it should only get better as I think he can be genuine wicket taking threat plus they can get rid of Watson so is neither one or the other.
 
He is a hit or miss type of player - partly because of his technique and backlift.
 
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