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How do you rate Steven Smith?

khalil1986 said:
To be fair he is a leggie so naturally he will put more revs on it, he can bowl some rippers but bowls some absolute trash too LOL.

Surely he can improve his consistency with his bowling and it should only get better as I think he can be genuine wicket taking threat plus they can get rid of Watson so is neither one or the other.
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Smith isn't an allrounder. He'll always be a batsman who can bowl a bit- similar to Michael Clarke before his back went.

Funnily enough at one stage last summer he gave up leg spinning for off spinning- much to Kerry O'Keefe's disgust.

soso_killer said:
thats not a bad away average really. IIRC he played well on "doctored" pitches of India with two scores of 50+. I think he has a century in England too.
Not the best player in the world but edinbu not the worst.
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He's certainly well and truly in Australia's best XI. He's good enough to be selected and has shown character in India and England and again today- on a ground where he averaged 17 in shield cricket.

Above all he is the only Australian batsman who shows signs of learning and improving.
 
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Yea won't be an all rounder but he can rag the ball and pretty sure with more work he will be able to land it better and will always bowl some Jaffas plus he adds an extra dimension.

I reckon he can work up to a stage where he could bowl 10 overs in a days play just needs to improve his accuracy and leg spin is a very hard art and normally the leggies do improve over time.

Batting should always be his priority but shouldn't settle just on that he should be looking at improving his game.
 
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Convict said:
Smith isn't an allrounder. He'll always be a batsman who can bowl a bit- similar to Michael Clarke before his back went.

Funnily enough at one stage last summer he gave up leg spinning for off spinning- much to Kerry O'Keefe's disgust.



He's certainly well and truly in Australia's best XI. He's good enough to be selected and has shown character in India and England and again today- on a ground where he averaged 17 in shield cricket.

Above all he is the only Australian batsman who shows signs of learning and improving.
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Kerry seems to think he is a 6 batting at 5. He's probably spot on about that.

He has that attacking stroke play and instinct you need in a 6 but seems to have developed a good instinct of leaving and defending when required as well so he has done himself a lot of favours with this innings.
 
Saqs said:
Kerry seems to think he is a 6 batting at 5. He's probably spot on about that.

He has that attacking stroke play and instinct you need in a 6 but seems to have developed a good instinct of leaving and defending when required as well so he has done himself a lot of favours with this innings.
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Kerry is probably one of the most astute judges in Australian cricket.

And he's right on the money in regards to Smith.

Circumstances dictate that he has to bat at 5. We're in a very awkward position in regards to our batting with Rogers, Watson and Bailey all under fire and Hughes the only real option.

Hughes does look like he has turned the corner but I feel we need him to push on and do it in County cricket as well. Yet due to the tragic circumstances in the North family, Hughes is really the only option to balance the batting for South Africa.
 
Convict said:
Kerry is probably one of the most astute judges in Australian cricket.

And he's right on the money in regards to Smith.

Circumstances dictate that he has to bat at 5. We're in a very awkward position in regards to our batting with Rogers, Watson and Bailey all under fire and Hughes the only real option.

Hughes does look like he has turned the corner but I feel we need him to push on and do it in County cricket as well. Yet due to the tragic circumstances in the North family, Hughes is really the only option to balance the batting for South Africa.
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sorry dude can you elaborate on the North family situation?
 
Only realistic option right now might be watson down to 6, keep smith at 5 and hughes back at 3.

It doesn't fill me with confidence but it might be the best we have right now, they won't dump watto as they are in love with that 5th bowling option but he is not a test number 3.
 
the Great Khan said:
sorry dude can you elaborate on the North family situation?
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Brother got hit by a truck and died about nearly a fortnight ago. It's why Australia were wearing black armbands in Adelaide.

North who remains the leading shield run scorer (593 @ 98.83 from 5 and a half games) has taken indefinite leave.

trogger said:
Only realistic option right now might be watson down to 6, keep smith at 5 and hughes back at 3.

It doesn't fill me with confidence but it might be the best we have right now, they won't dump watto as they are in love with that 5th bowling option but he is not a test number 3.
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Exactly what I am thinking. Though I don't like it and it's not in the best interest of Hughes in my opinion.

But don't see any other choice.
 
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Massively improved cricketer. He's a bit of an unorthodox player and he's been put under some pressure and had a lot of stick for past performances, but as Sir Boycott says, it doesn't matter how you get runs, all that matters is that you get them. He has proved a lot of us wrong and we should hold our hands up. Personally he has earned my respect.

Horrendous news about North. Thoughts with him and his family. :(
 
From BBC:

MAN OF THE MATCH STEVE SMITHSteve Smith beats David Warner to the man of the match award for his first innings 111.

He says: "I've been a part of two Ashes now but to bring the urn back is very special. The boys have told me this is one of the best places to bat once you get in so I was pleased to cash in."


:))

In my face I guess. I jokingly said in the OP that he will prove me wrong by winning back the Ashes on home soil and then winning the World Cup.

Lol, he has completed the first part of that challenge with aplomb.

Man of the match in the urn-returning game. Hats off.
 
I would like Smith to bowl more as well. He has completely given up his bowling which is very dissapointing
 
I think he is better as a part timer, he can jag a wicket or two but doesn't face that pressure of being a leggie expected to take wickets.

He has looked more dangerous since thy batted him at 5 and stopped pretending he was an allrounder.
 
I'd like to see him keep up his bowling.

He should at the very least see himself as a Sehwag/Bevan/Javasuriya who would expect to bowl a few overs each match and more in handy conditions. He does bowl the odd nice leggy.
 
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wrongun said:
I'd like to see him keep up his bowling.

He should at the very least see himself as a Sehwag/Bevan/Javasuriya who would expect to bowl a few overs each match and more in handy conditions. He does bowl the odd nice leggy.
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Yeap there are glimpses of hope in his bowling every now and then. He needs to keep working on it and not discard it completely.
 
Whoever created this thread clearly don't know much about Cricket. Smith will become a very good test batsman for sure. His test career thus far has been impressive.
 
If you'd seen him at the time of creating this thread, you'd have said the same thing.

He has improved considerably, and credit to him for doing so.
 
Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

He was far from the worst...very good cricketer.
 
Hindsight is indeed a big luxury and no doubt he has improved big time, but at no point was he even close to being the worst Australian cricketer in history and you have take the negative comments on the chin now because that was a massively exaggerated hyperbole.
 
Lol at this thread..... Even in his early days he was far from being the worst Australian
 
Never ridiculed him like most others. This is the era of utility players, its not about how they look but about how much cricket means to them and Smith is just showing how much cricket means to him. On the other hand we have people like Raina and Akmal who are making of joke of themselves despite having everything.
 
Wow......Steve Smith was really hated in his early days. Anyways this kid plays with a lot of heart, very utility player indeed.
 
Whatever PPers here make predictions , It always turns out to be opposite :41: :umarakmal :kohli :nasir :amin :wahab are products of these assessment :55:
 
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Shocked at how much he has improved - all credit to the lad.

But even during his low phase he was nowhere close to being "the worst Australian cricketer in history".
 
Whadda player. Add to this his awesome fielding. He should really bowl more though
 
Interestingly at roughly the same point of their careers

Michael Clarke after 33 innings (21 tests) 1100 runs at 36.96, HS of 151, 2 centuries and 4 fifties
Steven Smith after 32 innings (17 tests) 1085 runs at 37.41, HS of 138*, 3 centuries and 5 fifties.

Very similar record though even then Clarke showed signs of his ability to make daddy hundreds- his first two centuries being a 151 (on debut) and a 141 (first test in Australia).

Both roughly the same age at this point. Another interesting point is that Smith now averages 55 from his 16 innings (11 tests) at number 5 with 3 centuries and 3 fifties.
 
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His technique looks dodgy and his shots look really ugly.

Kind of like Steve Waugh. But very effective and has shown that he is a great fighter.
 
Obviously players can improve. To be fair to everyone who knocked him when this thread was posted, he was very ordinary back then. A true Enzed bits and pieces player who looked like he was picked because he was a bit of a bowler and a bit of a batsman and hopefully when you added those two together it came up to the total of one OZ player. It's fair to say that the jury was out on him up until his ton in Perth, and in the opinions of some (including me) even after that. He has a big standard deviation between good and bad performances, and he needs to work on his consistency. But what this SCG ton showed is that he has the mental fortitude and spirit to pull out a big knock when the team needs it. Just needs to go on with it now.
 
Said it before, lad is quality

Future Legend, said it in July, look at him now. Anybody that has scathing errors in their batting technique should follow this guys lead. You could see glimpses of brilliance in them test innings against Pakistan. Hit some decent bowlers all over the place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_gsGZcJVsA
 
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A very ugly batsman but who cares as long he gets runs for the Aussies.
 
This thread shall haunt Saqs for the rest of his life.

What a cricketer this guy is turning out to be, definitely the most valued number 6 in Test cricket today.
 
Saqs this thread look like your biggest mistake of life ;)
 
Look, hindsight is indeed a great luxury however, this thread was a massively exaggerated in any case. He looked poor no doubt but definitely not even close of being the worst Test cricketer in Australian history.
 
Mamoon said:
Look, hindsight is indeed a great luxury however, this thread was a massively exaggerated in any case. He looked poor no doubt but definitely not even close of being the worst Test cricketer in Australian history.
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Usman Khawaja takes the cake i guess
 
Personally I think Maxwell playing test cricket was an atrocious decision. Easily the worst player to wear the baggy green in recent times. Steven Smith actually reminds me of Martyn in that he performs in difficult situations .
 
This guys turned into a very good player from a joke of a player!

brilliant hundred against sa attack!
 
Convict said:
Nope. Khawaja is a very limited player. Very easy for bowlers to dry up his runs.
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He may his limitations but he's a good stroke maker. Plays some classy strokes.

He is better than his output I reckon but you'd know better because obviously you've followed him more closely so I'd take your word.
 
I think its set in stone that Smith will be Australia's next Test captain.

I don't see a better contender to take over from Michael Clarke.
 
Mamoon said:
He may his limitations but he's a good stroke maker. Plays some classy strokes.

He is better than his output I reckon but you'd know better because obviously you've followed him more closely so I'd take your word.
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He has a good technique and he doesn't have concentration issues.

In my opinion he just doesn't have the ability to make the next step up. Callum Ferguson/Tom Cooper/Matthew Elliott tier.

Someone like Shaun Marsh has major concentration issues but has always had the talent and technique.
 
Convict said:
He has a good technique and he doesn't have concentration issues.

In my opinion he just doesn't have the ability to make the next step up. Callum Ferguson/Tom Cooper/Matthew Elliott tier.

Someone like Shaun Marsh has major concentration issues but has always had the talent and technique.
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Why have Australia dumped Ferguson from ODIs?

Average of 41 at a strike of 85 in 30 matches. Doesn't look bad at all on paper but only if cricket was played on it.
 
Mamoon said:
Why have Australia dumped Ferguson from ODIs?

Average of 41 at a strike of 85 in 30 matches. Doesn't look bad at all on paper but only if cricket was played on it.
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Got injured and never managed to break back in due to mediocre performances.
 
Have to give Smith his dues, may not have a great technic but he makes up for that with Grit and some unorthodox but powerful stroke play. Very good hes made in this test match!
 
Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

He has similar stats to clarke if you consider how clarke was doing after the same amount of games


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I honestly thought he would just be a good LOI cricketer. He's done brilliantly well with the bat recently even in test cricket.
 
I think he also got a 90 odd during the test series in India last year where every aussie bat struggled.
He reminds of jadeja(ravindra) in a way that both were ridiculed early on in their career and have improved leaps and bounds,although right now smith is the much better test cricketer.
 
battler said:
I think he also got a 90 odd during the test series in India last year where every aussie bat struggled.
He reminds of jadeja(ravindra) in a way that both were ridiculed early on in their career and have improved leaps and bounds,although right now smith is the much better test cricketer.
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Yeah that was on his comeback, he has a very good technique vs Spin and its rated highly because it was an aussie facing 2 indians on a flat slow track...which is like a SC batsman succeeding against 2 philtrundlers in South Africa
 
Haz95 said:
Yeah that was on his comeback, he has a very good technique vs Spin and its rated highly because it was an aussie facing 2 indians on a flat slow track...which is like a SC batsman succeeding against 2 philtrundlers in South Africa
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Yeah did well against ashwin and jaddu who were getting wickets for fun that time.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Personally I think Maxwell playing test cricket was an atrocious decision. Easily the worst player to wear the baggy green in recent times. Steven Smith actually reminds me of Martyn in that he performs in difficult situations .
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martyn was something else. He was my favourite player at that time when Aus dominated. if smith can match martyn, Aus would be a consistent top side.
 
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leatherface58 said:
:)))

Atleast you are man enough to return to the scene of the crime. :junaid
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Lol I feel responsible for his resurgence. I am sure he has read this thread.
 
The only thing about Smith is that he appears to lose concentration soon after reaching 100. I know most batsmen do, but he gets very loose once he hits 100.
 
OZGOD said:
The only thing about Smith is that he appears to lose concentration soon after reaching 100. I know most batsmen do, but he gets very loose once he hits 100.
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Neither his performances or Domestic stats suggests he can score Daddy double hundreds...Something Clarke did but Waugh couldn't
 
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Very rarely do you have number 5s who can score big.

The only one I can think of in recent times is Inzi. And Laxman
 
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Ok, then Smith is a 6?
 
Anfield said:
S Waugh batted at 5 too mostly IIRC.
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Yeah, for all his grit and skill, like Convict said he didn't really score massive.

Kinda like Hussey too. Always gets the 100's consistently, but his position in the lineup doesn't afford him chances to carry on.
 
I take it all back.

Not the most naturally gifted player but he looks like he's got sh!tloads of heart and works ridiculously hard at his game. Will not badmouth him again :inzi
 
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