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How do you rate Steven Smith?

Well I think he's a poor, not just average but poor, bowler at this stage; still, in the England tour of Australia he outbowled many of the specialist spinners, Doherty and Beer, though that's not saying much. He occasionally fires with the bat and is a good fielder. If I'd seen Andrew Symonds and Darren Lehmann at the same age I wouldn't have expected them to do well either
 
1137moiz said:
Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually becomes a very good international player. Though his bowling is generally part-time,
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A cross-format bowling average of 32 over the past three years is a pretty impressive "part timer"! :hafeez
 

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he might become a handy batsmen or a useful all rounder but don't think he will ever become a good bowler.
 
Why dont Australia get a spinner from another country? For example Pakistan has abundance of very good spinners and most of them will not have an international career since the competition is too tough + nepotism is rife. May be Australia should send their player scouts to Pakistan, check out those players and pick 1-2 of them and offer them the chance to play international cricket and see what happens?
 
I think he did pretty well in the ODI series against England, if I'm not very much mistaken... maybe we are being a little unfair.
 
Whippy said:
I think he did pretty well in the ODI series against England, if I'm not very much mistaken... maybe we are being a little unfair.
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Yes he picked up wickets against England in ODI series but don't he bowled well. Lady luck was with him and ever poor deliveries earned him some wickets. He might develop into a useful ODI player but right now he is an average player in ODIs and below average in Tests.
 
WalkingWiggett said:
A cross-format bowling average of 32 over the past three years is a pretty impressive "part timer"! :hafeez
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that is because he doesnt bowl match, averages about 5 overs per game but do get wickets. Eco. rate of 5.33 can not be associated with a fulltime bowler :sami

The basic problem is that he was over-hyped way too much before he made his debut, like the next best sensation so naturally he struggled to cope with that reputation. There is nothing special about him tbh, he may grind out a career over time but he is defo not as talented as hyped by Australian media/commentators

Saw the video of Nathan Lyon the other day and the guy looked much much better spinner. I hope they play him ahead of Beer.
 
They must see something in him but to be honest he needs to start showing more results soon cos at mo his place is going to waste
 
Just to round off the thread, it has just been reported in Oz that this guy is on a 1.2 million dollar contract. So about 1.26 million US.

:)))
 
WalkingWiggett said:
A cross-format bowling average of 32 over the past three years is a pretty impressive "part timer"! :hafeez
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Hey I was defending Smith.

But I remember the hoopla when he debuted v WI...took 2 for 78 in under ten overs. Poorish bowler, but he played well v England recently
 
"Steve Smith is a very promising player, with his potential for batting and fielding and bowling, we really hope he will develop in the future. But I think he needs to do more. He needs to do more with his batting and his bowling to establish himself." - Cricket Australia

:))

I knew it. He is a specialist fielder.
 
If England lose to an Australian side containing Smith, they should be embarrassed
 
He just doesn't have a technique to bat well...just a basher
 
he's brilliant for t20 cricket, can potentially do well in ODI's however for tests he needs to enhance his technique all round in every aspect of his game
 
He is no good now but still has potential.

I dont know if people remember how badly Symonds sucked at the start, and Watson.

Playing him in the LOI formats is hurting him though, he need to play first class cricket if he wants to be more than a bits and pieces player.
 
I like him, always have.

He has that typical Aussie attitude but has been messed around for too long.

He was supposed to be a bowler, then Ponting decided he wasn't to bowl, so instead he would come way down the batting-order thus nullifying his inclusion in the team.

Either play him higher up the order, because I think he can genuinely bat, or play him for what he was suppose to be, a bowler, whom they trust.

He needs to bowl a lot more than he has already. I know not many think he can bowl but he needs overs under his belt and then, hopefully, he can show how good he is.

Also, he is one of the best fielders around.
 
Not sure what they think they are doing with this kid.

They pick him, but then never let him bat or bowl. Then they drop him.

I agree he might be better off for the next 2-3 years playing Shield & County cricket & T20 (where he is a star).

His batting suggests he can hack it at the top level, but until he starts to turn his leggie (and it's getting a bit late now) I don't think he'll ever be much as a bowler.
 
So he's come out and announced he is "now a batsman".

Good luck to him.

One of the cricinfo comments made me lol uncontrollably though.

Posted by munawar87 on (September 12 2012, 16:22 PM GMT)

Shoaib Malik is the perfect example of Steven Smith's future.... They are both only good at fielding.
 
Seems like he is batting better than some other 'good' Aussie batsmen.
 
Surely he cant be the worst! Australia has players like lyon and doherty :D
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Underrated player. Being hyped as next Warne only hurt the lad.

Hughes is Chris Martin on spinning tracks though :akhtar
 
He's got ticker and as I've said a few times is one of the better Australian bats against spin.

Does have a habit of not going on with his innings though.
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Just because he is looking a little more comfortable than the rest and has a relatively high shield average of 40 odd (relatively being the key word) means nothing. Just proves that Aus really haven't produced a good young batsman since.... Clarke I guess.

To put it into context. Ponting struggled before he retired. But he is averaging 80 domestically. Pretty much double the next highest average.

Fast bowling talent is in abundance. Where are the batsmen?
 
Saqib S said:
Just because he is looking a little more comfortable than the rest and has a relatively high shield average of 40 odd (relatively being the key word) means nothing. Just proves that Aus really haven't produced a good young batsman since.... Clarke I guess.

To put it into context. Ponting struggled before he retired. But he is averaging 80 domestically. Pretty much double the next highest average.

Fast bowling talent is in abundance. Where are the batsmen?
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For several years the domestic wickets were quite flat.
This led to poorer quality batsmen coming through the system as they were never tested probably.

Since the 2010/11 Ashes this was recognised and there has being an effort to rectify it. This season we are now seeing what happens when you finally have non flat wickets- a notable deflation in bowling and batting averages (save for the Taswegian bowlers).

There are still a few young players in shield who I would be very comfortable bringing into test cricket over the next few years. Burns in particular should push for an Ashes berth.
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

True say.

Bring back Punter.

Faulkner and Bailey should go to England. Hopefully Bird recovers in time as well.
 
Butterworth is another who would do well in England and Harris just took a 6fer on the comeback trail
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Let's also not forget that Starc is a different beast when at home and would presumably do very well in England.
 
Bit like Jadeja, his home fans will foam at the mouth at the mere mention of him, but he'll end up doing a job.
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Generally bad all round.
 
Considering the scores other "batsmen" got, the criticism levelled towards him is baffling yet unsurprising. The same could be said of Phil Hughes when he started.

Maybe being unorthodox is a crime.

:facepalm:
 
Sherlock said:
Considering the scores other "batsmen" got, the criticism levelled towards him is baffling yet unsurprising. The same could be said of Phil Hughes when he started.

Maybe being unorthodox is a crime.

:facepalm:
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It's golden boy syndrome.

Australians don't like someone annointed as the next 'golden boy', especially when they don't live up to it.
 
He is the worst golden boy of all time.

I'd put him a few rungs below bronze.
 
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His main issue is he was called the replacement for Warnie, when he didn't perform he was/is labelled a failure.

He's a better player than that.
 
Sherlock said:
His main issue is he was called the replacement for Warnie, when he didn't perform he was/is labelled a failure.

He's a better player than that.
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Plus he was paid a million dollars.
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Cmon Smitty prove me wrong here man. Grind out a lead of 200+. Take that confidence into your bowling and spin circles around the Indians.
 
Has got a start now and should go on and make a big one here to help out his team.
 
Meh. good example of showing confidence in a youngster. if only our team management/captain could do that...
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Has heart.
 
is a future legend


has really matured since the IPL, just like many batsman

kid is tenacious, had some scathing deficiencies which he has worked on and rectified, technique was always there
 
Good knock from him in tough tough tough conditions, not the best looking batsman but has potential and showed real fight to negotiate superman err i mean anderson
 
Myrmidon said:
is a future legend


has really matured since the IPL, just like many batsman

kid is tenacious, had some scathing deficiencies which he has worked on and rectified, technique was always there
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Smith had matured long before the IPL.

He realised he wasn't good enough with bat and ball and gave up bowling to try and make it as a batsman.

Very reliable for Australia and for New South Wales for scoring between 30-60.

Next step will be going on with his starts.
 
By far the most improve cricketer going around, probably Australia's best bat after Clarke. Only if Pakistani cricketers had the same work ethic rather than blaming captain, coach, pcb, and anything that moves rather than going away and working on their game.
 
He was always a good player. Just those doubting him only did so because of the high standards of players before him.
 
Gangnam said:
By far the most improve cricketer going around, probably Australia's best bat after Clarke. Only if Pakistani cricketers had the same work ethic rather than blaming captain, coach, pcb, and anything that moves rather than going away and working on their game.
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Yeah, btw welcome to PP
 
Random Aussie said:
Just to round off the thread, it has just been reported in Oz that this guy is on a 1.2 million dollar contract. So about 1.26 million US.

:)))
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This is just plain ridiculous, he could probably buy the entire Pakistan team.
 
Well to be fair on Steve, he has had a pretty decent series so far!!

And he is starting to look good. So maybe if selectors keep faith with him he may just pay them back with some good performances.
 
he is starting to mature but calling him a future legend is uncalled for.

But he has played very well in recent times, must be applauded!
 
I actually rate his batting, Plus he has something about him and reckon he will do just fine. His bowling has potential but just way too loose if he manages to land the ball where he wants he can be a handful as already seen in ongoing series as gives it a good rip.
 
That first innings by him was proper test batting, grinding out the opposition and then dispatching the bad balls to the fence, he genuinely looks like a test class batsman now.
 
Still better than others in the team. Would defenitely not call him the worst as he's starting to up his game. He should try and maintain the form he showed in the 1st innings. Bowling is also handy when it comes to a difficult situation.
 
Respect to him. Going back and working hard on his batting shows a lot of character. Scored a 90 against India too. He needs to start converting those 80s and 90s into 100s.
 
Seems to be able to get starts but then give his wicket away. Looks quiet comfortable against Swann which is good.

Give him time
 
Re: Steve Smith - is he the worst Australian cricketer in history?

Has won me over ever since his performances in India.
 
Saqs said:
Has won me over ever since his performances in India.
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Yeah.
Shown enough to suggest that he will become test standard.

Obviously needs to start converting but it's good that he can consistenly make starts.
 
He's been decent without being outstanding. But these days we have had to manage our expectations when it comes to Test batsmen eh. 25% of his innings scores have been 50s. Would be awesome if he could a) end up being a 35-40 average batsman and b) a bowler that could be a viable spinner to plug up an end.
 
I think the expectations were very unfair.

He has always looked good with the bat and is much more of a batting all rounder.

But he was dubbed the next Warne by the media because of his blonde hair and leg spin and it didn't help when started bowling trash match after match.
 
Credit to him, has improved a lot. Could be a good middle-order batting all-rounder.
 
Him,Jadeja and Sammy are the most improved players, If Smith bowled more he would be a key Aussie player
 
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