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How do you rate Steven Smith?

Convict said:
3-4 years ago he was a young 20-21 year old player who wasn't ready to make the step up.

So he was rightfully dropped and worked on his game at Sheffield Shield level, earned his comeback and has performed since.

Now he's not going to perform anywhere near like he did against India particularly often but he's still very much a test class batsman
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He did not perform against a good bowling attack except for SA whose bowlers are getting aged
 
Firebreaker said:
Steve Smith doesnt have a good looking batting stance and if he becomes the captain during WC I think Australia will not win the WC.He will fail against good bowlers in WC.
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He's succeeded against the best attacks in the world before
 
Firebreaker said:
NZ attack is much better now.England was always a mediocre bowling side
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He can only perform against who's in front of him. If he can conquer SA in SA then I have no doubt he'll be able to perform against NZ home or away.

Also, disappointed that you removed Alia as your avatar. :hafeez
 
Anchorman said:
He can only perform against who's in front of him. If he can conquer SA in SA then I have no doubt he'll be able to perform against NZ home or away.

Also, disappointed that you removed Alia as your avatar. :hafeez
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I did not remove it,They did
 
:)

Just hope he can carry this on as he'll get a lean spell sooner or later, and you'll get the naysayers come out the woodwork.
 
ethan hunt said:
To be fair to Saqs , i probably would have created this thread if he hadn't , you took the bullet for a lot of us champ, nobody would have predicted that a puppy eyed leg spinner cum fidgety cowlasher would reach such heights .

Now just waiting for him to score another inevitable century against the Indian attack , wearing this.
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:))

That would be a sight and a half.
 
Convict said:
Interestingly it's very plausible that Smith might be Captain in both the World Cup and in the 2015 Ashes
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He was an instrumental player in the previous Ashes win. But you're right the scene is set up.
 
Firebreaker said:
NZ attack is much better now.England was always a mediocre bowling side
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Poms actually rolled our top 6 first dig in every single ashes test, of the top 6 smith was actually our best bat when we were crumbling.

he made a ton at perth when we were collapsing and he made a ton in sydney when we were collapsing.

But it is funny people are now saying that runs in SA vs steyn and co mean nothing you have to prove yourself against the kiwis to show you're the real deal, twilight zone stuff.
 
trogger said:
Poms actually rolled our top 6 first dig in every single ashes test, of the top 6 smith was actually our best bat when we were crumbling.

he made a ton at perth when we were collapsing and he made a ton in sydney when we were collapsing.

But it is funny people are now saying that runs in SA vs steyn and co mean nothing you have to prove yourself against the kiwis to show you're the real deal, twilight zone stuff.
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:)))
 
trogger said:
Poms actually rolled our top 6 first dig in every single ashes test, of the top 6 smith was actually our best bat when we were crumbling.

he made a ton at perth when we were collapsing and he made a ton in sydney when we were collapsing.

But it is funny people are now saying that runs in SA vs steyn and co mean nothing you have to prove yourself against the kiwis to show you're the real deal, twilight zone stuff.
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I was also wondering where this recent NZ love affair came from.
 
Test and ODI player of the year and takes home the AB medal.
 
Please make another thread like this for Farhaan behardien... but hell he is so bad not even this thread can help him.
 
For what's worth he did look terrible at the time but I had seen him at the age group level and he looked like a superstar in the making.
 
Big push inside CA for him to be test captain in the Ashes
 
All I can say to folks here is; Trend with caution. Sure he abused a horrible Indian bowling attack and looked invincible however that may not be the case when he goes to India, NZ, ENG & SA so wait a few years and see how good he is. Saks might be right a few overseas tours and his career may be over for a while if not for good ala Khawaja...
 
Smith where are you now?

Best aus's batter. If technique is that much needed to be succesful? I think hardwork and apetite to get success is way more important. UMAR AMIN.
 
Romali_rotti said:
All I can say to folks here is; Trend with caution. Sure he abused a horrible Indian bowling attack and looked invincible however that may not be the case when he goes to India, NZ, ENG & SA so wait a few years and see how good he is. Saks might be right a few overseas tours and his career may be over for a while if not for good ala Khawaja...
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Which country do you support ? (Would explain a lot)
 
Convict said:
he supports India
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I figured.... didn't bother trying to explain to him that while Smith is not as great as Indian batsmen like Kohli, Pujara, Rohit sharma, He does have 8 test hundreds (against England, SA and the mighty Indians) at an average of 52 which is not too shabby.
 
vandokkum said:
I figured.... didn't bother trying to explain to him that while Smith is not as great as Indian batsmen like Kohli, Pujara, Rohit sharma, He does have 8 test hundreds (against England, SA and the mighty Indians) at an average of 52 which is not too shabby.
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Actually I didnt know he had already played in SA, an avg of 67 vs Steyn and Co is great while Kohli's avg in SA is 68, in ENG Smith rules the nest at 38 and Kohli at 13. However I am discounting the minnow bashed runs he made on the hapless Indian bowling in Australia, Kohli's runs are of more value in this series no questions about it as he faced the much better bowling....
 
vandokkum said:
Please make another thread like this for Farhaan behardien... but hell he is so bad not even this thread can help him.
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make a comparison thread of Farhaan vs Umar Akmal and i can bet my house it will work! many have enjoyed a successful career after being compared to junior akmal. Rohit is the prime example :p he was a failured even in india before being compared to sir akmal
 
vandokkum said:
Which country do you support ? (Would explain a lot)
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vandokkum said:
I figured.... didn't bother trying to explain to him that while Smith is not as great as Indian batsmen like Kohli, Pujara, Rohit sharma, He does have 8 test hundreds (against England, SA and the mighty Indians) at an average of 52 which is not too shabby.
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Romali_rotti said:
Actually I didnt know he had already played in SA, an avg of 67 vs Steyn and Co is great while Kohli's avg in SA is 68, in ENG Smith rules the nest at 38 and Kohli at 13. However I am discounting the minnow bashed runs he made on the hapless Indian bowling in Australia, Kohli's runs are of more value in this series no questions about it as he faced the much better bowling....
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Well figured out vandokkum!
He is from those who think Tendulkar and Kohli's are not comparable with other batsman etc... From the start they don't like other batsman around the world who do well.
It's way too early to compare Smith Kohli, Pujara, Williamson, Root, Bravo or Rahane...
They all look good players, we will see who will become great ones.

Kohli's runs don't have more value as Australian attack was useless in the batting friendly conditions. Just as they were clueless in UAE two months ago.
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli's runs don't have more value as Australian attack was useless in the batting friendly conditions. Just as they were clueless in UAE two months ago.
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Well this thread wouldn't be complete without a Pakistani sour grape putting his opinion in, yeah Smith's runs which he scored against the mighty Indian attack has more value than Kohli's agreed. :angel:

Who says I dont like other batsmen who do well ? just because I don't rate your Pakistani batsmen, doesn't mean I don't rate other bats from around the world, hope we on the same page now...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well this thread wouldn't be complete without a Pakistani sour grape putting his opinion in, yeah Smith's runs which he scored against the mighty Indian attack has more value than Kohli's agreed. :angel:

Who says I dont like other batsmen who do well ? just because I don't rate your Pakistani batsmen, doesn't mean I don't rate other bats from around the world, hope we on the same page now...
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So you have started making things up now?
I never said it, but guess what it's typical from you.

If you don't rate Pakistani batsmen, that's a good news because I don't rate them too!
 
Mobashir said:
Well figured out vandokkum!
He is from those who think Tendulkar and Kohli's are not comparable with other batsman etc... From the start they don't like other
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Well i agree with him there, i don't think any other young bat will have a tour to england that is comparable to kohli's.
 
Saqs said:
Seriously.

This guy is an absolute embarassment. Macgill could bowl better than him even at his age now.

And who taught him how to bat? Chris Martin?

Keeping out much more worthy players, and he somehow gets the nod in all forms of the game.

There was a lot of hype around him in the start, and I thought he may need 1-2 years to prove himself, so I waited...and waited....and waited...but he has continously failed and so this thread is completely warranted now.

Surprised there was no thread about him already.

Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

(Somehow I think this thread may come back to haunt me when Smith holds up the Ashes urn and a World Cup trophy in the distant future).

inb4thathappens.
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Amazing.
 
I had same impression about him like OP when he entered the scene. Somethink like he was disgrace to high quality of cricketers that Australia produces on regular basis. Never expected him to be become this good.
 
Great player in the making. He along with Clarke are 2 of the best players of spin in the current Aussie squad. Gotta feeling Clarke will retire after the WC and Smith may as well be named as his replacement.
 
Sherlock said:
Great player in the making. He along with Clarke are 2 of the best players of spin in the current Aussie squad. Gotta feeling Clarke will retire after the WC and Smith may as well be named as his replacement.
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So Clarke put all that rehab in just for the WC, surely he'll stay til the Ashes.
 
saj786 said:
Which batsman isnt or wasn't, the great tendulkar was a bit of a bunny to Anderson with his swing
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The difference lies in the way players handle this. Smith bats like a tailender from what I have seen.
 
Why do Indian s always feel insecure about quality batsmen and bowlers of other countries?
Smith is a one of the best batsman going around.. He has right temper and power to be a great #3,4 batsman
 
I can see a lot of support for Smith from Pakistan fans and he deserves it.. !!
If only he had his first name as Mohammed/Ahmed and a beard on his face, we could've seen the mighty Bhai brigades :amla lead by Mamoon Bhai and nonsensible-india Bhai getting all over this thread :sanga
 
Saqs said:
I'm in awe at how he weathered the storm the other night and made it look like he was playing on another planet.
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Wahab's vengeance was against Watto who earlier on sledged him with "are you even holding a bat" while Wicky was batting. I didn't see any fiery bouncers or short ball being bowled to Smith, all Of Wahab's bouncers were against Watson. Maybe thats the reason why he was seen batting comfortably against him.
 
Saqs said:
I'm in awe at how he weathered the storm the other night and made it look like he was playing on another planet.
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Honestly. I remember saying to my friend while watching that spell. "Forget getting Smith out. Woh iss dunya mein hai he nai abhi."

Class act.
 
GreenKnightRises said:
Wahab's vengeance was against Watto who earlier on sledged him with "are you even holding a bat" while Wicky was batting. I didn't see any fiery bouncers or short ball being bowled to Smith, all Of Wahab's bouncers were against Watson. Maybe thats the reason why he was seen batting comfortably against him.
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Good point
 
GreenKnightRises said:
Wahab's vengeance was against Watto who earlier on sledged him with "are you even holding a bat" while Wicky was batting. I didn't see any fiery bouncers or short ball being bowled to Smith, all Of Wahab's bouncers were against Watson. Maybe thats the reason why he was seen batting comfortably against him.
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He was bouncing everyone. Clarke, Warner, Watto and Maxwell.

He threw the ball back at Smith when he blocked one back at him.

Yes, watson copped the most, but anybody in a yellow uniform and a bat in hand that night was fair game.

What smith did cleverly was get to the non strikers end. Wisdom.
 
Saqs said:
What the fact he weathered the storm or that I am in awe of it?
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That he weathered the storm, he simply strode right through it and batted awesomely.

Watson was the one who weathered or was forced into weathering the storm.

Obviously this conjecture is just my interpretation, which you are free to disagree with.
 
Bossed that semi final

Dominated with the bat
Dominated with the reviews
And that runout
 
Haroon786 said:
That he weathered the storm, he simply strode right through it and batted awesomely.

Watson was the one who weathered or was forced into weathering the storm.

Obviously this conjecture is just my interpretation, which you are free to disagree with.
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He just deflected it. True.
 
The most clutch young batsman in the world and is on his way to becoming one of the best batsmans of this era in both ODIs and Tests. Only person troubling him is Kane Williamson who's had a rather off world cup too.
 
What a superb cricketer and definitely a future Australian great.

Its definitely not early to predict that he'll end up with 20+ hundreds in both formats and close to 10k runs, along with a long stint as captain.

Legend.
 
When he first started he wasn't all that, Definitely not the worst Australian cricketer in history. You could see he's a hard worker, Somebody who genuinely loves playing for Australia and along with it a great guy. Not surprised at his transformation simply because he worked his socks off after he was dropped from the 2010/2011 Ashes and the 2011 World cup.
 
Lolz cool prediction by the started that the thread will haunt him...
If he was so good with his prediction he should rather make thread something like Smith would be best batsman couple of years ago.
Atleast he could boast about it.
 
He is a very likable guy indeed and seems to be at ease when everyone around him is struggling.

I am still shocked by his transformation. He came into the team as a leg spinner (a pretty bad one at that) and was in and out of the squad several times. But no one would have thought he would become such a clutch player and become the leader that he is today. A very inspirational story.
 
imranq said:
He is a very likable guy indeed and seems to be at ease when everyone around him is struggling.

I am still shocked by his transformation. He came into the team as a leg spinner (a pretty bad one at that) and was in and out of the squad several times. But no one would have thought he would become such a clutch player and become the leader that he is today. A very inspirational story.
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While he was selected a spinner batting was always his stronger suit.

These are his career sheffield shield batting stats

He was first selected after the 2009/10 season

Code: 
Steve Smith
Season  Sta Mat Inns NO Runs  HS   Ave   BF    SRATE 100 50 0
2007/08 NSW   1    1  0   33  33   33.00   76  43.43   0  0 0
2008/09 NSW   3    6  0  102  42   17.00  217  47.00   0  0 1
2009/10 NSW   8   13  3  772 177   77.20 1052  73.38   4  1 0
2010/11 NSW   3    6  1  163  70   32.40  307  52.76   0  1 0
2011/12 NSW   7   12  0  492 106   41.00  922  53.36   1  3 1
2012/13 NSW   5    8  0  296  90   37.00  606  48.84   0  3 1
2013/14 NSW   5    9  1  632 107   79.00 1105  57.19   2  4 0
2014/15 NSW   -    -  -  ---  --   --.-- ----  --.--   -  -
 
Mamoon said:
What a superb cricketer and definitely a future Australian great.

Its definitely not early to predict that he'll end up with 20+ hundreds in both formats and close to 10k runs, along with a long stint as captain.

Legend.
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Truly amazing, from a total scrub in 2010 to one of the very best in 2014/2015, one of the greatest transformations in our sport.
 
last_knight said:
This thread won't die.
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I don't think it needs to die, because it's a classic example of how a player can develop and improve over time. At the time this thread was opened Smith had been pretty ordinary, he was picked as a leggie who could bat a bit. He was the classic bits and pieces player, not good enough to bat and not good enough to bowl. He has worked extremely hard on his game and his batting, even on rotating the strike which is why years later he is reaping the rewards for his hard work.
 
Smith played club cricket in england in 07 and was bang average.

This thread is not a fail but shows how players can improve with the right work ethic
 
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