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How do you rate Younis Khan as an ODI batter?

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YK was an average odi player of the 2010s. İ feel like he got more of an extended run than he deserved but i don't know how many alternatives to him were there.
İf you just compare him with other ODİ players of his era, he would be round about average in terms of SR, although his batting average wasn't good enough.
İ dont remember how many other batsmen we tried for his 5-6 position, can't remember anyone really deserving who got overlooked in the long run.
İ must admit though, the inzi, yousuf, younus monopoly did hurt Pakistan in the odi format due to their unnecessary timid approach, at times, even for that era
 
Rana said:
Did Zaheer, Miandad and Saleem Malik regularly bat together at 3-5?

I know for sure YK/Yousuf/Inzi did
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Should have in some games. I did not say they were better , what I said is that there are other options as well.
 
Rana said:
Care to highlight those differences?

I’ve always seen Hafeez, Ajmal, Azhar and Shafique licking Misbah’s boots. It’s a chaaploos dynasty.
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There was a period when Misbah was Test and ODI captain and Hafeez was given T20 captaincy. They had their selection differences. Ijaz Butt the then PCB chairman even went on to say that Hafeez and Whatmore were conspiring against Misbah.
 
Justcrazy said:
Should have in some games. I did not say they were better , what I said is that there are other options as well.
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You don’t seem convinced that they did feature as a regular, established middle order 3-5 like I am convinced with YK-Moyo-Inzi.

The names and quality of the guys you mentioned are unquestionable, but it doesn’t contest to a regular feature and complete combination.

Pakistan also played Fakhar Zaman and Sharjeel Khan together in a couple of T20is…..but the two never opened together. I want to say Fakhar and Sharjeel would have been Pakistan’s best T20 opening pair, but I can’t because the clown Misbah never let it happen even though he had the opportunity to do it!
 
Hahaha... Younis khan was just a great batter in Tests, rest he was just mediorce if not the worst in ODIs...

Nothing more than that
 
Rana said:
You don’t seem convinced that they did feature as a regular, established middle order 3-5 like I am convinced with YK-Moyo-Inzi.

The names and quality of the guys you mentioned are unquestionable, but it doesn’t contest to a regular feature and complete combination.

Pakistan also played Fakhar Zaman and Sharjeel Khan together in a couple of T20is…..but the two never opened together. I want to say Fakhar and Sharjeel would have been Pakistan’s best T20 opening pair, but I can’t because the clown Misbah never let it happen even though he had the opportunity to do it!
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They should have played .
 
He was a great and legend of test cricket

But in odi a bang avg

Still haven't forgotten how his pathetic innings cost us 2011 WC sf
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
What a epic beizzati this thread has been for @Rana @topspin

They were hoping most people would agree that YK wasnt a terrible ODI batsman. Becharay 🤣 🤣
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What’s the argument here though? Who’s claimed YK was a Lara/Kallis level ODI player?

You people do that with Rizwan though 🤡
 
Rana said:
What’s the argument here though? Who’s claimed YK was a Lara/Kallis level ODI player?

You people do that with Rizwan though 🤡
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Stop trying to save face now. You were adamant that Yk wasnt this crap ODI player in that other thread.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Stop trying to save face now. You were adamant that Yk wasnt this crap ODI player in that other thread.
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YK wasn’t a crap ODI player, and you people who know Jack all about cricket standards have opinions that are as good as pig’s flying.

I stick to what I said. He was a good no.3 for Pakistan and was also a part of a strong (if not strongest) middle order of 3-5.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Stop trying to save face now. You were adamant that Yk wasnt this crap ODI player in that other thread.
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To be fair, for a guy who saw asif ali as captain and haris as the next best thing, from his perspective Younis would be an odi legend.

See, they havnt set the bar too high for themselves
 
Major said:
To be fair, for a guy who saw asif ali as captain and haris as the next best thing, from his perspective Younis would be an odi legend.

See, they havnt set the bar too high for themselves
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Says the guy who saw Joginder Sharma as a more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Justcrazy said:
Younis Khan was not bad but I would say limited in range of shots.
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He became a very good batsman when settled. Usually would start even test innings by being fidgety and jumping around. In test over time he became very very disciplined and new when to play and when to leave. But ODI doesn't give too much time to settle. Most of the time in ODI he got out to ball that in test he would have happily left alone.
 
He was good for the 2000s when ODI dynamics were different, also a gun fielder, one of the first great fielders of Pak alongside Imran Nazir/Shahid Afridi back then and there was that philosophy that a good fielder would mean runs saved/run outs so it was seen as part of one’s batting average in an indirect way (like with India’s Mohammed Kaif).
 
Major said:
To be fair, for a guy who saw asif ali as captain and haris as the next best thing, from his perspective Younis would be an odi legend.

See, they havnt set the bar too high for themselves
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@topspin said Younis Khan was a better odi batsman than Rizwan. These guys are so blinded by their hate that they don't mind making the most embarrassing posts 🤣
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
@topspin said Younis Khan was a better odi batsman than Rizwan. These guys are so blinded by their hate that they don't mind making the most embarrassing posts 🤣
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@topspin is 100% correct

Rizwan is a massively below par ODI batter. He’s the reason why Pakistan has fallen into the pits of mediocrity

Younis Khan is not guilty of making Pakistan a bottom tier side. He was part of a much much stronger white ball set up that held standards!
 
The aspects of YK the great ODI batsman needs to be discussed further , as some people are still not convinced. BTW what was YK average in ODIs against the great Australian side of 2000s , bolstering the McGraths Gillespie Lee Kaspropwicz Bichel
 
According to the traditional here…

Misbah is a great ODI batsman but Younis was crap…

YK has 3 ODI tons against India all in winning causes btw. Misbah has….oh wait sorry, he had none at all :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

So next time you try and tell Indians about the superior W/L record that Pakistan boasts to have over them, just know that YK contributed to a +3 advantage in that record.

This already makes him a far superior ODI batsman than Misbah and all of his najaiz batsmen that were born or followed his method+mindset.
 
He isn't a great ODI batsman, but he has played several fine innings, including a match-winning century against India in Mohali in 2007. He scored around 110 as Pakistan chased down India's target of 322. Playing such knock against india is dream for Babar Azam.

:kp
 
Justcrazy said:
Should have in some games. I did not say they were better , what I said is that there are other options as well.
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Right, so an established middle order of 3-5 between YK/MoYo/Inzi was superior to a could have been middle order of Abbas/Miandad/Malik?

Do we agree here?
 
@Major

Zara woh Misbah ki match winning ODI century ki video tou share karna…

I’ll share Younis Khan’s and we can compare?
 
Here is something that only people that follow cricket closely will agree to. If Yousuf and Malik played in the Mohali Semifinal instead of Misbah and Younis, Pakistan probably would've chased that total.
 
Kianig89 said:
The aspects of YK the great ODI batsman needs to be discussed further , as some people are still not convinced. BTW what was YK average in ODIs against the great Australian side of 2000s , bolstering the McGraths Gillespie Lee Kaspropwicz Bichel
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What does it matter? You can’t prove your little diminutive heroes would have fared any better
 
salman24 said:
Here is something that only people that follow cricket closely will agree to. If Yousuf and Malik played in the Mohali Semifinal instead of Misbah and Younis, Pakistan probably would've chased that total.
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Yes , because they both were good players of spin and rotated strike better.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He became a very good batsman when settled. Usually would start even test innings by being fidgety and jumping around. In test over time he became very very disciplined and new when to play and when to leave. But ODI doesn't give too much time to settle. Most of the time in ODI he got out to ball that in test he would have happily left alone.
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He was a good test batsman , played several long innings , but as stroke player he did not have the stroke range and did not look graceful.
 
Justcrazy said:
It boils down to Salim malik vs Younis Khan.
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It’s not a individual player v player comparison I am making brother.

Individually, you can argue Saleem Malik as a superior ODI middle order batter to many, even Babar Azam.

We are talking about a combined unit here. Like you would want to debate whether a top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli are better than a top 3 of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting or not.

Middle order wise, Pakistan had a solid, established 3-5 with YK, Yousuf and Inzi. They were not anywhere as good as a unit against the likes of Ponting, Martyn and Clarke in that era…

Were they better than a 3-5 of Ganguly, Dravid and Laxman? Or Trott, KP and Bell?

For Pakistan at the time, this middle order was one to be proud of. It was a “powerhouse middle order” as bumble would continuously reiterate on Sky Sports. I remember quite clearly that Michael Holding was also very impressed with it.

You still haven’t convinced me that Zaheer, Miandad and Malik played together regularly as Pakistan’s 3-5. Hypothetically though you present a strong argument.
 
salman24 said:
Here is something that only people that follow cricket closely will agree to. If Yousuf and Malik played in the Mohali Semifinal instead of Misbah and Younis, Pakistan probably would've chased that total.
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Both Yousuf & Malik were pathetic in WC games. No way they were going to deliver in a high pressure game
 
NishanKonar said:
Both Yousuf & Malik were pathetic in WC games. No way they were going to deliver in a high pressure game
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The last high profile game they played before that was a the 2009 Champions Trophy where they both destroyed India. Like I said only knowledgeable cricket fans will understand.

It never happened though so doesn't matter. Related to this thread, both Malik and Yousuf were better ODi players than Younis.
 
Rana said:
It’s not a individual player v player comparison I am making brother.

Individually, you can argue Saleem Malik as a superior ODI middle order batter to many, even Babar Azam.

We are talking about a combined unit here. Like you would want to debate whether a top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli are better than a top 3 of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting or not.

Middle order wise, Pakistan had a solid, established 3-5 with YK, Yousuf and Inzi. They were not anywhere as good as a unit against the likes of Ponting, Martyn and Clarke in that era…

Were they better than a 3-5 of Ganguly, Dravid and Laxman? Or Trott, KP and Bell?

For Pakistan at the time, this middle order was one to be proud of. It was a “powerhouse middle order” as bumble would continuously reiterate on Sky Sports. I remember quite clearly that Michael Holding was also very impressed with it.

You still haven’t convinced me that Zaheer, Miandad and Malik played together regularly as Pakistan’s 3-5. Hypothetically though you present a strong argument.
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In short you are trying to hide mediocrity of Younis Khan by hiding him behind Inzamam and Yusuf.
This thread is about Younis Khan as an Individual batter. And we all know , he was limited in stroke making , he was similar to Azhar Ali.
 
salman24 said:
The last high profile game they played before that was a the 2009 Champions Trophy where they both destroyed India. Like I said only knowledgeable cricket fans will understand.

It never happened though so doesn't matter. Related to this thread, both Malik and Yousuf were better ODi players than Younis.
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Yusuf would walk into best Pakistan OD XI , high chances , Younis will be nowhere.
 
Rana said:
For Pakistan at the time, this middle order was one to be proud of. It was a “powerhouse middle order” as bumble would continuously reiterate on Sky Sports.
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And this has nothing to do with YK’s contributions. Please stop posting lies to prove that YK was a proper ODI batter.
 
salman24 said:
The last high profile game they played before that was a the 2009 Champions Trophy where they both destroyed India. Like I said only knowledgeable cricket fans will understand.

It never happened though so doesn't matter. Related to this thread, both Malik and Yousuf were better ODi players than Younis.
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They both played for 15 years & had 1 good game - that too in CT not World Cup

Malik & Yousuf actually played against India in WC games & never performed in any of them
 
Obaidd said:
YK’s undue insistence on being included in 2015 wc squad and opening ultimately hurt his legacy. His SR of 75 is not good by any means but not as bad as it looks now either.

Based on my research listening to his interviews, he carried a lot of frustration. A feeling of being unjustly treated by PCB over the years. That built up and eventually made him act in the way he did vis-à-vis his ODI inclusion.

For me his low ODI average is the more disappointing aspect than his lowish SR in the format.
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Rana said:
YK‘s career sr spanned from 2000-2015


Babar and Rizwan have that kind of strike rate now in 2025
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Rana said:
YK wasn’t a crap ODI player, and you people who know Jack all about cricket standards have opinions that are as good as pig’s flying.

I stick to what I said. He was a good no.3 for Pakistan and was also a part of a strong (if not strongest) middle order of 3-5.
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Mirpuri Don said:
He was good for the 2000s when ODI dynamics were different, also a gun fielder, one of the first great fielders of Pak alongside Imran Nazir/Shahid Afridi back then and there was that philosophy that a good fielder would mean runs saved/run outs so it was seen as part of one’s batting average in an indirect way (like with India’s Mohammed Kaif).
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When he played there were mainly 8 teams, so he had 7 oppositions.

I repost his stat against 5 of them so you guys can finally convince yourself that however you see it, YK was a crap player in ODI's.

His average/SR combo vs some good teams :
Australia : 16/57
England : 26/71
New Zealand : 27/70
South Africa : 26/67
West Indies : 27/66

That's an Overall 125 innings.
 
TheSultan said:
What we are saying is that despite Younis not being great in ODIs, taking quality of eras, quality of opposition in to consideration, I’d still pick YK ahead of Babar every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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TheSultan said:
Yes - neither are ideal, but if I had to pick one, I’d pick the better batsman overall
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hassan918 said:
Younis Khan average in ODI: 31.24
Rohit Sharma average in ODI: 49.22

Younis Khan strike rate in ODI: 75.29
Rohit Sharma strike rate in ODI: 92.66

Younis Khan ODI runs: 9628
Rohit Sharma ODI runs: 11730

In every stat Rohit Sharma is way ahead, not sure why some posters think Younis is better than Rohit. It doesn't make any sense.
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sweep_shot said:
YK was like Steven Smith. An undisputed legend in Test but average in ODI.
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Mobashir said:
When he played there were mainly 8 teams, so he had 7 oppositions.

I repost his stat against 5 of them so you guys can finally convince yourself that however you see it, YK was a crap player in ODI's.

His average/SR combo vs some good teams :
Australia : 16/57
England : 26/71
New Zealand : 27/70
South Africa : 26/67
West Indies : 27/66

That's an Overall 125 innings.
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Rana, TheSultan are advocating for Younis Khan the odi player these days.

When he is an horrible player.
Sweep_shot, Smith hasn't had a brilliant odi career but is Still miles ahead of Younis Khan.
Smith was a top performer in the 2015 world cup quarter, semi and final.
He was also quite good in 2019 world cup.
He has those two 60 odd ball hundreds against a good Indian attack with Bumrah.

YK was bad and the more you dig in his stats and crucial performances, the worst he get in ODI's.
 
Kianig89 said:
Utter humiliation for @Rana and Co. For their baseless defence of YK the OdI batsman World never saw, only a firm 47 type hiest can save him or may be swallow your ego and retrack
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Utter humiliation is claiming Pakistan will win the Champions Trophy under Rizwan….

Only for what resulted afterwards. Remember what I told you?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Utter crap ODI batsman. Should have been forcibly retired after 2011 World Cup.

Ditto for Misbah. Not a single match after 2011 fiasco.

Saim Ayub and Salman Agha are Viv and Kohli compared to those 2 mediocrities (2011-2015)
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Better they had not played that world cup.
 
mominsaigol said:
Average odi player but better then any current odi batsmen in the team.
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33000+ posts to post this.

His average/SR combo vs some good teams :
Australia : 16/57
England : 26/71
New Zealand : 27/70
South Africa : 26/67
West Indies : 27/66

This is better than Babar Azam ? Fakhar Zaman ?
 
Mobashir said:
Rana, TheSultan are advocating for Younis Khan the odi player these days.

When he is an horrible player.
Sweep_shot, Smith hasn't had a brilliant odi career but is Still miles ahead of Younis Khan.
Smith was a top performer in the 2015 world cup quarter, semi and final.
He was also quite good in 2019 world cup.
He has those two 60 odd ball hundreds against a good Indian attack with Bumrah.

YK was bad and the more you dig in his stats and crucial performances, the worst he get in ODI's.
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As I’ve already said, I’m not advocating for Younis K as a great, I’m advocating that Babar is such a mental midget who goes missing against full strength teams, I’d still trust Younis over him.

It’s more a damning indictment of Babar than it is praise of Younis.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
@topspin said Younis Khan was a better odi batsman than Rizwan. These guys are so blinded by their hate that they don't mind making the most embarrassing posts 🤣
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You’ve resorted to dishonesty because I exposed your shallow cricketing knowledge when you claimed Babar was superior to Younis Khan. I never mentioned Rizwan, but since you insist, here’s my view: he’s an unlikeable figure, cut from the same cloth as Babar - a product of Misbah’s era. He consistently puts personal interests above the team and comes across as insincere. His facade cracked in an interview when he admitted:

I’m not happy with playing at number five and I’d prefer playing at four
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Realising the damage, he quickly backtracked with damage‑control theatrics:

I will never complain and am happy to make sacrifices for the team
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We’ve witnessed these antics before, most notably in the 2023 World Cup tournament against Sri Lanka, where he resorted to theatrics purely to draw attention to himself. His self‑centred nature and obsession with the spotlight are impossible to ignore.

I believe he is still listed as a director of Yazoo, which is tied to Saya Corp, who are a player management firm representing him, Babar, and other Pakistan players. The bottom line is with such conflicts of interest, he can never genuinely put the team’s best interests first.
 
mominsaigol said:
Average odi player but better then any current odi batsmen in the team.
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Umar akmal was a better odi batter than younis.

So by saying younis being better than the current lot, you are saying Umar Akmal is better than Babar, Rizwan etc.

And we use Umar Akmal as an insult (and a yard stick for Younis)
 
topspin said:
You’ve resorted to dishonesty because I exposed your shallow cricketing knowledge when you claimed Babar was superior to Younis Khan. I never mentioned Rizwan, but since you insist, here’s my view: he’s an unlikeable figure, cut from the same cloth as Babar - a product of Misbah’s era. He consistently puts personal interests above the team and comes across as insincere. His facade cracked in an interview when he admitted:



Realising the damage, he quickly backtracked with damage‑control theatrics:



We’ve witnessed these antics before, most notably in the 2023 World Cup tournament against Sri Lanka, where he resorted to theatrics purely to draw attention to himself. His self‑centred nature and obsession with the spotlight are impossible to ignore.

I believe he is still listed as a director of Yazoo, which is tied to Saya Corp, who are a player management firm representing him, Babar, and other Pakistan players. The bottom line is with such conflicts of interest, he can never genuinely put the team’s best interests first.
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Again this Saya Corporation nonsense. Nobody gives a damn about it by the way. It appears that there is a significant amount of inconsistency and perceived incompetence in your top tier assessments. For instance, if Babar and Riz are considered to be inadequate T20 players, then by the same standard, Agha should also be classified as a poor T20 player. Conversely, if YK was recognised as a proficient ODI batter, then Babar and Riz should likewise be acknowledged as competent ODI batters.

The inconsistency in these evaluations has become quite troubling and undermines your credibility.
 
Major said:
I have placed him on my ignore list.

I would rather read devadwal than him
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This is the same guy who once claimed he’d pick Misbah over Inzamam in ODI cricket. Easily the worst take I've come across in the history of PP.

The claim was so absurd that Mamoon had to open an entire thread just to dumb it down for you:

Mamoon

Thread 'Would you pick Misbah-ul-Haq over Inzamam-ul-Haq in ODIs?'

Would you pick Misbah over Inzamam in ODIs?

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is not willing to accept the fact that it is utter madness to say that Misbah was a better ODI batsman than Inzamam.

The gulf between the two is immense. Misbah is not worth of being mentioned in the same sentence as Inzamam.

Mamoon said:
As far as Inzamam vs Misbah is concerned, it is like comparing Umar Akmal to de Villiers. Misbah was a decent ODI batsman who did a very crucial job in a very fragile lineup but he is not worthy of lacing Inzamam’s boots. The gulf between the two is humongous.

You just can’t have an all-time...
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And in that very thread, Mamoon delivered a brutal reality check that exposed just how flimsy your argument really was:

Mamoon said:
Misbah was nowhere near Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis in any format.
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Anyone who’s been on PP for a while would recognize that this perspective comes from someone long known for their strong dislike of Younis Khan.

All things considered, this kind of cricketing insight is typical of the RizBar and Misbah fan club, whose taste for mediocrity is unmatched.
 
gazza619 said:
Like i said, let me hear what a top tier topspin has to say. Bugger off.
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Don’t try to patronise

Agency control+ conflict of interest is a serious issue that has been exploited by your honest and patriotic Rizwan.

You are no one to decide this isn’t an issue. It’s way above your intellectual tier anyways.
 
gazza619 said:
Again this Saya Corporation nonsense. Nobody gives a damn about it by the way.
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In other words, you and the RizBar cult just don’t give a toss.

gazza619 said:
It appears that there is a significant amount of inconsistency and perceived incompetence in your top tier assessments. For instance, if Babar and Riz are considered to be inadequate T20 players, then by the same standard, Agha should also be classified as a poor T20 player.
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I get that you’re still reeling from the Khawaja vs Babar debate, but let’s keep it honest. I’ve never rated Agha as a T20 player and frankly, I doubt anyone here has.

gazza619 said:
Conversely, if YK was recognised as a proficient ODI batter, then Babar and Riz should likewise be acknowledged as competent ODI batters.

The inconsistency in these evaluations has become quite troubling and undermines your credibility.
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Up to the 2019 World Cup, Babar’s career was ascending and he was shaping into a world class batsman. But after Misbah took over from Mickey Arthur, the change was evident. He became self absorbed, allowed his standards to slip and his commitment to fitness and work ethic deteriorated.

I may take Babar Mk1 (2015–2019) over Younis Khan, but based on the last six years, I wouldn’t touch Babar. His numbers are padded against weaker, second‑string attacks and minnows. In contrast, Younis has far more standout white ball innings and was instrumental to Pakistan's sole triumph in the WT20 tournament with bat and captaincy.

As I’ve reminded you before, I can list multiple innings from Younis that outshine Babar’s top effort, Pakistan’s victory over New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup.
 
topspin said:
In other words, you and the RizBar cult just don’t give a toss.
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This is precisely the issue.

He doesn’t care as long as it’s his favourites that are benefiting from it.

I remember when the conflict of interest issue blew up and Major was trying to play it down. He knew Misbah was also guilty of promoting his own agency players. We know what happened to his agent as well.
 
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