4.2 ER for pacer in era of 350 runs is simply insane for a pacer who opens bowling with 4 fielder rule and comes back in death overs.
Average run rate by top teams world cup wise
. What a lie. Anyway wasim winning 1992 wc is > Bumrah botching odi world cups against 2019 England a d big boss Travis head
Amjid Javed is correct.
The only quality batters in this era are as follows
1) Root
2) Williamson
3) Steve smith (Gone down hill)
4) Kohli (Another has been)
Brooks and Travis head are their but atm I'm holding off judgement on these 2.
Bumrah has a terrible record and usually gets smashed around by NZ batters or Root who has multiple centuries against him etc etc.
Wasim bowled to far tougher batters. The rise of t20 cricket brought down test batters quality which is why only test specialists now days are top quality only
Also lol at bumrah Single Handidely winning T20 wc 2024
If Bumrah was sent for testing you will say BCCI also has the power to change test results.
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Stats mean nothing without context,
. My posts are regarding this wonderful Eras TEST BATSMAN, who freak out, at the sight of swing, seam, spin.
none of the other arguments have any legs.
Without context, nope.
No it isn't.
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How is that hypocrisy? Explain?
Why don't you name all the world class and ATG batsmen currently compared to the 80s and 90s.
For every single Pakistan bumrah is best know for bottling it in CT 2017 final when fakhar slapped the entire of India around the park
That's the point numbskull.
The old balls that Wasim bowled with were not the same old balls that Bumrah is bowling with these days. Those old balls will be immediately replaced by umpires today.
You mentioned rabada? But not philander?
He's not even comparing wasim?
Imagine putting mcgrath in test great only
and below Bumrah as an all format great hahahahahahahahaha
The poster that you're talking to claimed ashwin and jadeja are = to Shaun Pollock as an ATG
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These are fairly balanced posts and can only be expected from a veteran poster like Mamoon.
He will go down as one of the greats. He is close to Marshall far ahead of was, waq and Shoaib. If Mo Asif had a brain he would of have been on par with bumrahIndian fans think bumrah is on a par with malcolm Marshall.
Waqar also has 373 Test and 416 ODI wickets in an era of no DRS, in an era where every team put out top quality sides in ODIs and in an era where the ATG batsmen were everywhere.
Bumrah bowling to mcsweeney and Tristan stubbs. Fans are worshipping like is same level of batsmen that Marshall was bowling at.
South Africa are not poor. If you think the same it shows how much cricket you are following. They are favourites for #1 spot in WTC Final.
Pakistan are poor, that’s right. But SL just whitewashed NZ at home and won a test in England so they are not that trash either.
Both SA and SL are doing fine. Honesty would be when you accept that and say Pak, WI and BD are the only poor cricket nations today.
Every era has poor cricket nations by the way. This thinking that previous era was special is what is being called as nostalgic and Pakistani fans are guilty of that because they haven’t produced a pacer with 200+ test wickets in last 20 years.
1990s had poor cricket teams like Zim, WI and NZ were pretty bad themselves. SL were minnows also till 1995.
That’s why we are looking at performance vs top teams like SENAI in this era and the player that stands out is Bumrah despite such strict filtering. It only confirms his greatness and if you are a Pakistani, there is still no harm in accepting that rather than giving delusional illogical statements such as quality has gone down and hence the best bowler of this era is not comparable to top 6-7 players of another era.
can do that says it all
exposed.
WI were poor in 90s? Up until around 1994 they were still a strong side. The fact when Australia won in the WI they took number 1 spot off them.
Zimbabwe were poor? They had their strongest ever side in 90s, including world class Andy flower who average 98 vs India.
If SA and SL are that good name a single world class or ATG batsmen they have.
Also go looking at who SA have actually played in current WTC cycle before making a song and dance about them being a good test side.
Don't call others delusion, when you've just waffled a load of rubbish
The fact that not a single 1 of you
I don't need a lecture from a delusion Indian, when I've watched test cricket for over 35 years.
No it isn't.
Bumrah with the old ball is useless, he didn't get his fiver until the 2nd new ball came. Travis head has literally owned bumrah in every test game, even the first one where he struck 90 when the old ball was in play because bumrah can't reverse for the life of him.
Wasim on the other hand was gun with the old ball and was the king of reverse swing. Bunrah has to wait for the 2nd new ball and the initial new ball spell to do his magic.
Furthermore the batters he's getting wickets against are far worse then the batters that wasim had to bowl against.
Lastly this guy has zero longetivity to stamina to bowl long spells. Far cry from mcgrath who use to run all day and dominate.
Bumrah is a virtual one trick pony in test cricket so far. Travis head a 45 avg batter literally owns him left and right once the initial spell is over
Indians want to bring up wasim record vs Aussies in tests. If you look at Aussies batting line up in 90s, plus the huge list of players that cudnt get into Aussie team back then. It was their strongest pool of test batters ever.
Now you see Travis Head (India's *****) making bumrah work hard...
But according to whole of india, current test batting era is as strong as the 90s
@Ab Fan
Let me expose your nonsense on SA being a good test side
In current WTC cycle they have lost to India and NZ
They have beaten Bangladesh, SL and WI
Yet you want to make out as though they are a good side?
Why don't you name all their world class and ATG batsmen.
Your No context
They also folded on such tracks. Remember Ambrose taking 7 for 1 at perth just by bowling back of a length. You sound like there were no flat tracks in that era. Teams got rolled over on pitches that had juice in it. Fanie De Villiers ran through Australia at the SCG when they were chasing a meagre 116 to win when the pitch had something in it.
Except test,cricket has became a batsman game in recent time.Bouncers are limited,bat quality has improved,in the past team who batted in second innings tend to score less in day night match.Yet Bumrah is a wicket taking machine.How?
No one is denying bumrah as the goat bowler of his era.
WI were poor in 90s? Up until around 1994 they were still a strong side. The fact when Australia won in the WI they took number 1 spot off them.
Zimbabwe were poor? They had their strongest ever side in 90s, including world class Andy flower who average 98 vs India.
If SA and SL are that good name a single world class or ATG batsmen they have.
Also go looking at who SA have actually played in current WTC cycle before making a song and dance about them being a good test side.
Don't call others delusion, when you've just waffled a load of rubbish
The fact that not a single 1 of you
I don't need a lecture from a delusion Indian, when I've watched test cricket for over 35 years.
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Did it occur to to you, thars because most sides has world class bowlers. You reality are clueless
But Lara damaged Murali during SL tour.Abdul Razzaq and Hansie Cronje were kryptonite for Sachin.Just because some specific player is good against specific players it doesn't make than weak.Bumrah is not capable of playing many overs.But the amount of time he is in he is taking 1 wicket for 20-23 runs.I mean Shoaib Akhtar bowled less overs in total than Sachin.
WI were little better than Ind but they were ave in 90s.Early 90s their performance was good but mid and late 90s they were not that good.90s WI bowling was good but their batting was their weakness.Zim was below 90s NZ.They won test vs Ind and Pak but not much to talk about.WI were poor in 90s? Up until around 1994 they were still a strong side. The fact when Australia won in the WI they took number 1 spot off them.
Zimbabwe were poor? They had their strongest ever side in 90s, including world class Andy flower who average 98 vs India.
If SA and SL are that good name a single world class or ATG batsmen they have.
Also go looking at who SA have actually played in current WTC cycle before making a song and dance about them being a good test side.
Don't call others delusion, when you've just waffled a load of rubbish
The fact that not a single 1 of you
I don't need a lecture from a delusion Indian, when I've watched test cricket for over 35 years.
Jayasuriya has most ducks too.He is goat at everythingSanath jaysurya odi wickets - 323 so he should be better than Pollack , Starc, Kapil dev , Zak ,Akhtar , Ambrose , Walsh ,boult, Steyn etc. as they have less wickets than Jaysurya .
Logic of some fan's
1) No you didn't typo west indies at all, you mentioned because you are clueless, clearly didn't watch any cricket in the 90sYeah, my bad on mentioning WI. I mistakenly typed WI there.
Check Zim W/L ratio. They were no better team. They won 3 and lost 19 games. Andy Flower was a good player but even Bd today has 1-2 good players.
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You have probably stopped watching cricket if you think Sri Lanka do not have good players. Matthews, Karunaratne, Kamindu, Chandimal are all very good players averaging 40+.
SA have got Rabada who is one of the best himself and has already left the minnow basher Waqar in dust. Wake up from your delusion and accept the reality.
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This is Waqar’s record vs top teams during his era. Average of 28 and his wickets count is less than 200. You will have to look at second page to find his name in that link. He is simply not in the league of truly great fast bowlers and no matter which era he played, it won’t have made even a slight of difference in his favour.
He is actually lucky to play in the era where he got away with tampered balls otherwise he would have probably had a Haris Rauf like career in modern era lol. An absolutely joke of a cricketer who made his name via illegal means. Not worth a mention in modern professional era of cricket.
the guys test average was 50+, barring Australia he scored against all other sides. On of the best players of spin in that era as well. Then you make the comparison Bangladesh have good players? Bangladesh in its entire history, let alone now has never produced a batsmen on flowers level..so again your talking rubbish
Yeah if you actually read what I said, I out that WI, for 1st part of the 90s. So not sure why your repeating my point.
Wasim in late 80s and 90s bowled to
Overall I agree that Bhumrah is not even the best bowler of this generation but this tinted glasses of old generation fans I am not a fan of.
We should not make it just about ICC Trophies because Indians will use that to claim India > Pakistan as India has 2 WCs to 1, 2 T20 WCs to 1, 2 CTs to 1 and 8 Asia Cups to 2.
Feel free to name all the great world class batsmen now
Ban has good player like Shakib but as a pure batsman or pure bowler they are ave at best.1) No you didn't typo west indies at all, you mentioned because you are clueless, clearly didn't watch any cricket in the 90s
2) Andy flower a good player?.
3) when did I any point say waqar was an ATG? Not at any point.
So uve basically had zero clue on strength of W.I in 90s, never saw Andy flower play. Then bring waqar into a conversation, where I never mentioned him
Your absolute rubbish exposed
