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How does the present-day Jasprit Bumrah compare with the likes of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis?

Champ_Pal said:
You have to also take into consideration that modern lower order batsmen are lot more equipped to bat than players from 80's and 90's. Back in those days, once a team polished off top4, the rest can barely hold the bat. Akram and Waqar made mince meat out of those woeful lower order and tailender batsmen.

These days, for most teams, even bowlers can bat well. They are not sitting ducks like the ones from 80's and 90's era.
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Batting ave for no 7 to 9 are 23(1980s),21(1990) and 22(2018-2024). Batting ave for no 5 and 6 are 36(1980s),36(1980s) and 35(2018-2024)
 
RexRex said:
That's right, keep doubling down & digging yourself further into a hole 😂

Next time, think twice before making such foolish statements. Over and out.
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Keep running like a coward, funny how you expect someone to answer your questions, yet you avoid questions yourself. Typical spinless coward from across the border.
 
Buffet said:
It's not old adage, but how we have difference in ODI and test format when it comes to winning.

In test mathes to win - you need to outbowl opposition by picking 20 wickets cheaply. Bowlers can win it often by being outstanding. you rarely win without picking 20 wickets.

In ODI matches to win - you need to outbat oppostiion by scoring more runs than opposition. Batsmen can win it often by being outstanding. You can win without bowlers picking single wicket.

Bowlers wins test matches, batsmen can at best draw it even if they become Bradman. In extreme case bowlers or batsmen both can't do much, but you can still bank on gun bowlers to win some tough tests and gun bastmen to win some tough ODI games.

Also, all other bowling or batting does not become null and void for anyone. If that was the case then I would have not considered Wasim even among the top 25 test pacers after seeing him having so little imapct in tough tours.

Frequency of winning or losing in tough tours is also dependent on what other resources you have. ATG player from minnow or bottom 2-3 teams will have a harder time to win than ATG players from top teams. IK/Wasim/Waqar played for top 2-3 teams in their era so they had good support. Ik did well with impact beacuse he has 4 5-fers in win in tougher tours, but can't say the same for Wasim here. I mean no matter which way we look, having 1 5-fers in win in Aus/SA/Ind/Eng/WI is just dissapointing for any gun pacer with good support with such a long career. As I said, it's not the start and end of everything about a player.
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What are you waffling on about?

Wasim played a huge part in winning series in England on 3 occasions, NZ twice, also twice in India. You really do talk utter nonsense.
 
Buffet said:
It's not old adage, but how we have difference in ODI and test format when it comes to winning.

In test mathes to win - you need to outbowl opposition by picking 20 wickets cheaply. Bowlers can win it often by being outstanding. you rarely win without picking 20 wickets.

In ODI matches to win - you need to outbat oppostiion by scoring more runs than opposition. Batsmen can win it often by being outstanding. You can win without bowlers picking single wicket.

Bowlers wins test matches, batsmen can at best draw it even if they become Bradman. In extreme case bowlers or batsmen both can't do much, but you can still bank on gun bowlers to win some tough tests and gun bastmen to win some tough ODI games.

Also, all other bowling or batting does not become null and void for anyone. If that was the case then I would have not considered Wasim even among the top 25 test pacers after seeing him having so little imapct in tough tours.

Frequency of winning or losing in tough tours is also dependent on what other resources you have. ATG player from minnow or bottom 2-3 teams will have a harder time to win than ATG players from top teams. IK/Wasim/Waqar played for top 2-3 teams in their era so they had good support. Ik did well with impact beacuse he has 4 5-fers in win in tougher tours, but can't say the same for Wasim here. I mean no matter which way we look, having 1 5-fers in win in Aus/SA/Ind/Eng/WI is just dissapointing for any gun pacer with good support with such a long career. As I said, it's not the start and end of everything about a player.
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@DeadlyVenom

To add,

You can have good spells in many tough tours without ever picking a 5-fers in win. I do see your point. Some spells like 3/10 may be mighty effective, but every gun pacers will have those spells. It's not unique to a wasim or any bowler.

5-fers in win in tough tours is a quick short cut to see if you have an outsized impact in tough tours in taking your team across the line compared to your peer group. Still a short cut and it throws usual suspects near the top so we can't say that it's a poor short cut.

Wasim offcourse has good spells in tough tours otherwise his away bowling avg against non-minnows would have been closer to Waqar.


For batsmen, the flip side would be how many tons they scored to win ODI games while playing away. Only issue with drawing parallel with two scenario is that home and away difference is not as huge in ODI, but its really huge in test macthes. That's why people rarely use away performance in ODI but you will often see away performance in test format to rate players.
 
RexRex said:
If you ask the pundits of today who have watched both to form a world XI, all of them would pick Bumrah over Wasim Akram.
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Wasim, who has nearly a 1000 wickets combined in both formats with half of those on dead Pakistani tracks, and who helped land us our first WC. That too in Australia, the new holy land for Indians, compared to someone who who barely has 300 wickets all together......

The sheer delusion in this thread has been absolutely breath taking. It really has. I have never seen such a deluded set of fans anywhere in the entire world than I have in this thread.
 
amax said:
Wasim's peers rate him as the best of their generation, but Imran's not. From what I’ve observed, being considered the absolute best is often determined by one’s peers—academia is a perfect example of this.
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Imran carried the Pakistan attack for most of his peak.

Akram had imran, waqar as well.

In Tests, imran peak outperformed Akrams peak, and imran lost 3 years during his best years through injury as well.
 
Pakpak said:
Wasim, who has nearly a 1000 wickets combined in both formats with half of those on dead Pakistani tracks, and who helped land us our first WC. That too in Australia, the new holy land for Indians, compared to someone who who barely has 300 wickets all together......

The sheer delusion in this thread has been absolutely breath taking. It really has. I have never seen such a deluded set of fans anywhere in the entire world than I have in this thread.
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100% spot on.

Delusional, arrogant, self entitled is best way to describe Indian fans.
 
Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall

“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
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High praise by Border.
 
Amjid Javed said:
100% spot on.

Delusional, arrogant, self entitled is best way to describe Indian fans.
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Its like eg Messi with almost 600 goals. But someone comes along and scores 200 goals at a similar rate, with half the trophies and a questionable action and people suddenly claim that this person is better than Messi.

I saw someone mention Bumrah is better than Ambrose? Both average around 20, yet the latter has 98 games and 403 wickets compared to 42 of Bumrah's and 183 wickets. There is no comparison at all. In no world other than deluded Indian fans, someone with not even 50% of the wickets is apparently better.

Its totally absurd. SL, Pak, SA, WI are a total and complete joke now when it comes to Tests. In the 90s alone SL had fantastic batsmen, Pak had Inzi, Yousaf, Anwar, SA had a team and were easily the most dominant after Australia.

Otherwise people like Imad, Imam are all better than Ganguly and Dravid based on averages.
 
Bumrah currently, 194 wickets 19.5 avg SR 42

Mostly high quality wickets against top teams in their dens. That's great, but

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In ongoing series in Aus so far: 21 wickets at Avg 10 with series in the line against the most dominating home team of his era. Normally you see this kind of stats agaisnt minnows and that's how many have low career avg.

When was the last time any visiting pacers dominated a series agasint the top 1-2 teams like this? Any examples? I don't recall any to be honest while watchign crikcet for 35 years for anyone with 20 plus wickets.
 
I found some examples but have to go way back and ususal suspects shows up.

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at avg of 10
Hadlee in Aus : 33 wickets at avg of 12
Marshall in Eng: 35 wickets at avg of 12

Not looking for figures like this agaisnt minnows. Hadlee against Aus was awesome because he was a lone warrior.
 
Buffet said:
Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall

“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
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High praise by Border.
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@Amjid Javed take that. border had played against Malcom Marshall. unlike delusion fans like you , everyone's has say Bumrah is one of the best bowler of all time alongside Marshall . So Forget about Wasim and Waqar comparison with bumrah . Bumrah is better than any bowler bar Marshall in history of cricket. :kp
 
Only focusing on Asian pacers in the last 35 years with 20 wickets minimum,

Bumrah had 2 biggest series against top team. Ishant/Wasim had one each but came against a much weaker side.

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at Avg of 10 [ ongoing ]

Ishant in WI : 22 wickets at Avg 16

Bumrah in Aus: 21 wickets at Avg 17

Wasim in NZ: 25 wickets at Avg 17

Not listing Irfan Pathan agasint Zim here. Zim was a minnow team. No other Asian pacers had 20 wickets with sub 20 avg in away series in the last 35 years. For sake of this thread, found the best for Waqar with the same cut off,

Waqar in Eng : 22 wickets at Avg of 25

I think IK had many gun away series in his prime. But keeping it relelvant for period when Wasim/Waqar played to not derail the thread.
 
RexRex said:
If you ask the pundits of today who have watched both to form a world XI, all of them would pick Bumrah over Wasim Akram.
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Not a single person would pick bumrah 🤣🤣.

Then again you guys are the same who are picking jaiswal over Travis head 🤣
 
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Unreal stuff. Actually today he didn't even bowl at full tilt. Mostly early 130s and mid 135s. He just hit the length perfectly.
 
Wasim had 2 great series vs Aus in Aus (90 and 95). Cant hold 99 against him given age and super strong Aus team.

In Eng he had only 1 great series in 1992 and was just ok in 87 and good in 96 and again writeoff in 02.


Bumrah has made 3 trips to Aus and had 2 great series and one good hit in 2020

In Eng he had one great series and one good series.

Both are on par as Test bowlers in Aus/Eng
 
Bumrah is outstanding bowler of current generation.

But before comparing him to the legends like 2Ws, Mcgrath, Lee etc let him bowl against someone half equivalent to Hayden, Ponting, Hussey, G Smith, Kallis, Yousuf, Lara.

But yeah that's not Bumrah's fault, he is best among the current bowlers. But better than legends of the game ? questionable
 
In terms of sheer impact he is one of the best of all time. In an era of endless video analysis it is not that hard to pick a bowler and plan accordingly. He is still able to beat you. With this release point he would be more than a handful in any era against any batsman.
 
You only need to look at the latest ODI world cup final round see how obnoxious Indian fans are when it comes to other cricketers. Never giving credit to anyone.

At same time worshipping their own players like gods. Only nation In world with this weird mindset. Then to come on to a rivals forum and behave in such manner and think that the hosts are going to behave in same manner.

A bowler that's not even got 200 test wickets is supposedly best in history, delusion at it finest
 
Amjid Javed said:
You only need to look at the latest ODI world cup final round see how obnoxious Indian fans are when it comes to other cricketers. Never giving credit to anyone.

At same time worshipping their own players like gods. Only nation In world with this weird mindset. Then to come on to a rivals forum and behave in such manner and think that the hosts are going to behave in same manner.

A bowler that's not even got 200 test wickets is supposedly best in history, delusion at it finest
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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall​

Read post#494
:shh :kp
 
Devadwal said:

Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall​

:shh :kp
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It's funny you still haven't figured out that every non Indian ex player in the world is under the payroll of the BCCI. Border would say the same about Babar Azam if PCB pays him more than the BCCI.
 
Hitman said:
It's funny you still haven't figured out that every non Indian ex player in the world is under the payroll of the BCCI. Border would say the same about Babar Azam if PCB pays him more than the BCCI.
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Irony is that border had played against Marshall and watch the entire career of both of the player's but no some delusion fan's are Think they have more knowledge than him.
:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Irony is that border had played against Marshall and watch the entire career of both of the player's but no some delusion fan's are Think they have more knowledge than him.
:kp
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But Border is under the payroll of the BCCI, didn't I tell you? The only non biased and neutral people in the world with a valid opinion on cricket and cricketers are Pakistani cricket fans.
 
Anyway 99% Indian poster's are respect Wasim Akram and he was one the great player of all time .

But Pakistan fan's jealously against Bumrah is another level.
 
Buffet said:
I found some examples but have to go way back and ususal suspects shows up.

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at avg of 10
Hadlee in Aus : 33 wickets at avg of 12
Marshall in Eng: 35 wickets at avg of 12

Not looking for figures like this agaisnt minnows. Hadlee against Aus was awesome because he was a lone warrior.
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Hadlee great stats was mainly due to 3 tours (especially 87) aus weak period in 80's.he is a great bowler but as u pointed out earlier his away performance and 5wkts haul was embarrassingly low.even Steve Waugh in his book said they were batting like kittens when ever a heavy weight was bowling . it was recurring theme through out 80's.
 
Devadwal said:
Anyway 99% Indian poster's are respect Wasim Akram and he was one the great player of all time .

But Pakistan fan's jealously against Bumrah is another level.
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They are jealous about any one who is a goat from india apart from few notable exceptions .u can ask fans who turned bitter/trollers after a trophy won by india.
 
Wasim is WAY OVERRATED as a test bowler. He is not in the top 10 as a test bowler and people are colored by his white ball performances where he can arguably make a claim as a top 3 quick of all time.

Marshall, Davidson, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose, Holding, Trueman, Bumrah, Barnes, Steyn all above him easily. And there are others like Donald and Cummins who make an impressive case of being better than Akram as a test quick.

Get real pakistani fanz.
 
Devadwal said:
Anyway 99% Indian poster's are respect Wasim Akram and he was one the great player of all time .

But Pakistan fan's jealously against Bumrah is another level.
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99% really? The complete lack of respect and delusion shown in this thread says otherwise.

Funny how when Pakistanis say bumrah is good in this era.

But not the greatest of All time. You Start crying and call it jealous

The fact you can't respect that opinion shows you self entitled and immature 99% of you are.

Pakistans don't sit here worshipping players like gods in such a pathetic manner. Like its life or death if someone doesn't agree on opinion
 
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AMSS said:
Wasim is WAY OVERRATED as a test bowler. He is not in the top 10 as a test bowler and people are colored by his white ball performances where he can arguably make a claim as a top 3 quick of all time.

Marshall, Davidson, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose, Holding, Trueman, Bumrah, Barnes, Steyn all above him easily. And there are others like Donald and Cummins who make an impressive case of being better than Akram as a test quick.

Get real pakistani fanz.
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Not going to add fuel to the fire, but Geoffrey Boycott picked his top 10 fast bowlers in Test cricket on Cricinfo once, and he didn't select a single Pakistani fast bowler.
 
Hitman said:
Not going to add fuel to the fire, but Geoffrey Boycott picked his top 10 fast bowlers in Test cricket on Cricinfo once, and he didn't select a single Pakistani fast bowler.
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Nothing about fuel or fire. Just flat objective truth. The perception that they used underhanded techniques further undermines their credibility.
 
Hitman said:
It's funny you still haven't figured out that every non Indian ex player in the world is under the payroll of the BCCI. Border would say the same about Babar Azam if PCB pays him more than the BCCI.
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Imagine writing songs about Waqar's mythical peak all your life only to be exposed by stats a couple of decades later.

The disbelief and denial is natural, they cant fathom that Bumrah's career already is worth more than several Waqar peaks taken together.
 
Oh Allan border said something good about bumrah.

Same Allan border thar numerous times has praised wasim Akram in the past for being one of greatest bowlers ever..

As usual Indians won't mention that, usual selective comments, to suit an agenda
 
Hikaru said:
Imagine writing songs about Waqar's mythical peak all your life only to be exposed by stats a couple of decades later.

The disbelief and denial is natural, they cant fathom that Bumrah's career already is worth more than several Waqar peaks taken together.
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Waqar was a proper joke against Australia, particularly in Australia. His antics of bowling beamers at Symonds after being trashed all around the ground by him in the 03' WC was both hilarious and sad. Only a gutless coward would do that.
 
facts are remain fact no matter how poster's think.

Remembered the name " Bumrah the GOAT"
:genius :kp
Amjid Javed said:
99% really? The complete lack of respect and delusion shown in this thread says otherwise.

Funny how when Pakistanis say bumrah is good in this era.

But not the greatest of All time. You Start crying and call it jealous

The fact you can't respect that opinion shows you self entitled and immature 99% of you are.

Pakistans don't sit here worshipping players like gods in such a pathetic manner. Like its life or death if someone doesn't agree on opinion
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Devadwal said:
Keep crying . facts are remain fact no matter how delusion poster's think.

Remembered the name " Bumrah the GOAT"
:genius :kp
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Facts? Based on what?

Some option by clueless Indian fans is now gold standard facts 🤣🤣
 
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Hitman said:
Will never forget how Ajay Jadeja treated him in the 96' WC. I was a 10 year old kid back then, but the memories still bring a smile to my face.
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Just like fakhar zaman treated bumrah like a rag doll when India bottled the CT17 final
 
Devadwal said:
Hasn't @Buffet showed you all the stats??
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Selective stats to go with his agenda.

Everyone can select certain stats to try and reflect a point they are trying to make

People use stats in many formats of life to try and portray the picture they want
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Amjid Javed said:
Just like fakhar zaman treated bumrah like a rag doll when India bottled the CT17 final
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Except that Bumrah had barely made his debut a year ago at that point. With Waqar, it was after his 'devastating' peak where he bullied a declining West Indies, New Zealand, a minnow Sri Lanka (Sri Lanka were proper minnows till the end of 1994), and a minnow Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe's rise stated from around 1997).

LMAO, I credit Waqar for not crying on the ground like Vinod Kambli did in the same WC.
 
Hitman said:
Except that Bumrah had barely made his debut a year ago at that point. With Waqar, it was after his 'devastating' peak where he bullied a declining West Indies, New Zealand, a minnow Sri Lanka (Sri Lanka were proper minnows till the end of 1994), and a minnow Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe's rise stated from around 1997).

LMAO, I credit Waqar for not crying on the ground like Vinod Kambli did in the same WC.
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But according all of Indian Your god bumrah was born the GOAT so what does making his debut got to do with anything.

He bottled the CT final and bottled the WC final as well.
 
Hitman said:
Except that Bumrah had barely made his debut a year ago at that point. With Waqar, it was after his 'devastating' peak where he bullied a declining West Indies, New Zealand, a minnow Sri Lanka (Sri Lanka were proper minnows till the end of 1994), and a minnow Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe's rise stated from around 1997).

LMAO, I credit Waqar for not crying on the ground like Vinod Kambli did in the same WC.
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Did you cry when you bottled WC semi final.

Only WC game (we are talking world cup history) to be abandoned due to stadium been torn down.

Embarrassing.

Bumrah bottled the CT final, bottled the ODI world cup final as well.
 
Amjid Javed said:
But according all of Indian Your god bumrah was born the GOAT so what does making his debut got to do with anything.

He bottled the CT final and bottled the WC final as well.
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Not at all. No great player was born great who started performing from his debut match. A bowler having a hickup with merelyt a year after his debut is perfectly understandable. He didn't bottle the WC final because he bowled well. His batsmen ruined it.

That's like me blaming evewry Pakistani bowler for 'bottling' it in the 99' WC final. No, their chicken hearted batsmen bottled it.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Did you cry when you bottled WC semi final.

Only WC game (we are talking world cup history) to be abandoned due to stadium been torn down.

Embarrassing.

Bumrah bottled the CT final, bottled the ODI world cup final as well.
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Really? What was this then?

At Karachi, December 20. No result, the match being stopped because of crowd trouble. Toss: India. Put in on a damp pitch, Pakistan were in dire straits when Prabhakar picked up three wickets in his opening spell of five overs. However, the Indian team were forced to leave the field owing to repeated stone-throwing by the huge crowd, particularly from the galleries. The police were still struggling to control the student faction when the Indians, though reluctantly, took the field for the second time. As missiles more deadly than stones kept coming, they walked off again. With a full-scale battle between the police and the students resulting in the use of tear-gas and gun shots outside the National Stadium being heard, the abandonment of the match was a formality.
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Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pakistan-v-india-1989-90-150767
 
So the greatest cricketer, sportsman in the history of the world according to FACTs from all of india

Bumrah the GOAT

Bottled the WTC 2021 and WTC 2023 finals

Bottled the CT 17 final

Bottled the ODI WC semi final 19, bottled WC final 2024

Amazing stuff from the world's greatest sportsman

🥳👏🔥🧨🧨🔥
 
Hitman said:
Awww, animals showing their animalistic instincts should be differentiated between WC and non WC games 😂😂
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WC is more meaningful.

Also why no mention of bumrahs performance in ICC tournament semi finals and finals?

If he's the so called greatest cricketer ever, whys he not turning up in finals?

Indian stats geek wanted to show FACTs how bumran performs in the Den of others.

What's the excuses for all those semi final and final failures?
 
Can any Bumrah fan get me the stats for these finals and semi finals

Bottled the WTC 2021 and WTC 2023 finals

Bottled the CT 17 final

Bottled the ODI WC semi final 19, bottled WC final 2024

Statsguru>bumrah>gamesbottled>semi-final/final/ICC
 
Amjid Javed said:
WC is more meaningful.

Also why no mention of bumrahs performance in ICC tournament semi finals and finals?

If he's the so called greatest cricketer ever, whys he not turning up in finals?

Indian stats geek wanted to show FACTs how bumran performs in the Den of others.

What's the excuses for all those semi final and final failures?
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Really? Why did every single team refuse touring Pakistan after the stunning display of their brave heart security in 2009? Did it happen in a WC? No, animalistic behaviour is animalistic behaviour, whether in a WC or not.

As for Bumrah, I'm glad he wasn't at least involved in match fixzing. A player who can sell off his country, might as well sell off his wife and kids if the money if appropriate.

Take that, and smoke it!
 
Amjid Javed said:
Can any Bumrah fan get me the stats for these finals and semi finals

Bottled the WTC 2021 and WTC 2023 finals

Bottled the CT 17 final

Bottled the ODI WC semi final 19, bottled WC final 2024

Statsguru>bumrah>gamesbottled>semi-final/final/ICC
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We can get you stats for India vs Pakistan

World cup 1992 1996 1999 2003 2011 2015 2019 2023.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Wasim and Waqar don't have a single world cup win against India. What bottlers
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I'll forever relish the way Jadeja lashed Waqar in the 96' WC, and the way Sachin lashed every Pakistani bowler in the 03' WC.

But India didn't win the WC in both the occassions, right? That's their argument 🤡
 
Amjid Javed said:
Can any Bumrah fan get me the stats for these finals and semi finals

Bottled the WTC 2021 and WTC 2023 finals

Bottled the CT 17 final

Bottled the ODI WC semi final 19, bottled WC final 2024

Statsguru>bumrah>gamesbottled>semi-final/final/ICC
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Waqar , Waseem , Imran and Shoaib mujhse bowling nahi ho rahi are the bottlers of epic proportions by this logic
 
Hitman said:
Really? Why did every single team refuse touring Pakistan after the stunning display of their brave heart security in 2009? Did it happen in a WC? No, animalistic behaviour is animalistic behaviour, whether in a WC or not.

As for Bumrah, I'm glad he wasn't at least involved in match fixzing. A player who can sell off his country, might as well sell off his wife and kids if the money if appropriate.

Take that, and smoke it!
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So you want to start talking about violence in India and Pakistan?

Or previous Pakistan tours to india haven't been canceled due to violence or threats?

You really want to go there?

Azzurddin, ajay sharma, manjrekar, ajay jadeja all say hello 🤭

Imagine your greatest memory as a 10 year old was watching match fixer jadeja win you a workd cup game in 96. Oh yes that player made you smile didn't it. You were cheering a match fixer, oh the irony.
Think your hypocrisy exposed there 🤭
 
mb3407 said:
Waqar , Waseem , Imran and Shoaib mujhse bowling nahi ho rahi are the bottlers of epic proportions by this logic
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No, it was just Shoaib who cried to his captain the 03' WC after being belted by Sachin all around the ground telling his captain, "Mere se bowling nahin ho rahi hain".
 
Amjid Javed said:
So you want to start talking about violence in India and Pakistan?

Or previous Pakistan tours to india haven't been canceled due to violence or threats?

You really want to go there?

Azzurddin, ajay sharma, manjrekar, ajay jadeja all say hello 🤭

Imagine your greatest memory as a 10 year old was watching match fixer jadeja win you a workd cup game in 96. Oh yes that player made you smile didn't it. You were cheering a match fixer, oh the irony.
Think your hypocrisy exposed there 🤭
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I **** over those match fixers, unlike you guys who drool over those standardless match fixers of yours. I merely smile over that match, not over what that matchfixer Jadeja did. You want a taste of reality? Look below.

www.espncricinfo.com

Match-fixing judge reveals 'soft corner' for Akram

A Cricinfo exclusive: Justice Qayyum reveals little-known details of the match-fixing investigation
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
 
cricketjoshila said:
We can get you stats for India vs Pakistan

World cup 1992 1996 1999 2003 2011 2015 2019 2023.
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We are talking ICC finals here..

According to you Bumrah is the GOAT so get the GOAT stats for final.

Whats India vs Pakistan got to do with GOAT players performances in finals

That fact you changing subject now 🤣🤣 your rattled 🤡
 
Amjid Javed said:
We are talking ICC finals here..

According to you Bumrah is the GOAT so get the GOAT stats for final.

Whats India vs Pakistan got to do with GOAT players performances in finals

That fact you changing subject now 🤣🤣 your rattled 🤡
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GOATS don't get slaughtered so bad by weaker teams, unless by goats you mean 🐐
 
Hitman said:
I **** over those match fixers, unlike you guys who drool over those standardless match fixers of yours. I merely smile over that match, not over what that matchfixer Jadeja did. You want a taste of reality? Look below.

www.espncricinfo.com

Match-fixing judge reveals 'soft corner' for Akram

A Cricinfo exclusive: Justice Qayyum reveals little-known details of the match-fixing investigation
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Have you asked my opinion on pakostani match fixing? No you haven't? You made an assumption.

In your case, you put a post saying your favourite memory as a 10 year old was cheering on a match fixer. That's a fact.

So don't come at me. When you

1) made an assumption, without facts
2) openly admitted a match fixer made you smile
 
mb3407 said:
How many finals your goats played 😂

We have 5 icc trophies. How many your slaughtered goats have?
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You better pray that India win the CT, if you think Pakistan vs india is hostile now, its going be million times worse when I finish off all you clueless India fans off.
 
Hitman said:
I'll forever relish the way Jadeja lashed Waqar in the 96' WC, and the way Sachin lashed every Pakistani bowler in the 03' WC.

But India didn't win the WC in both the occassions, right? That's their argument 🤡
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Jadeja the match fixer? Nice.

Good to see you supporting match fixing hero.
 
Hitman said:
I'll forever relish the way Jadeja lashed Waqar in the 96' WC, and the way Sachin lashed every Pakistani bowler in the 03' WC.

But India didn't win the WC in both the occassions, right? That's their argument 🤡
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Oh yeah India lost 96 semi final due to burnt stadium. The bottled the 03 final.

Well done, in those bottle job efforts
 
Buffet said:
Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall

“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

www.cricket.com

Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
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High praise by Border.
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To be fair, Border is always over the top with his praise.

He has also said, "If I ever get a chance to be reborn as a cricketer, I would want to be Wasim" in an interview.

Does that mean Wasim is the greatest cricketer of all time in his eyes?
 
Amjid Javed said:
I wonder how much money jadeja, Azzurddin got for throwing world cup matches?

I bet both those players were your heros growing up
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Probably a lot more than Amir, Asif n Waqar who would sell for chump change and are idealized by whole pak.

No I started watching from 2010
 
Amjid Javed said:
Have you asked my opinion on pakostani match fixing? No you haven't? You made an assumption.

In your case, you put a post saying your favourite memory as a 10 year old was cheering on a match fixer. That's a fact.

So don't come at me. When you

1) made an assumption, without facts
2) openly admitted a match fixer made you smile
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If only those 90's Pak players had to deal with the current BCCI, they would have been paraded on donkeys with garland of chappals around their necks and paraded around the whole country. Same with Jadeja and Azharuddin.
 
mb3407 said:
Probably a lot more than Amir, Asif n Waqar who would sell for chump change and are idealized by whole pak.

No I started watching from 2010
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Well how can you make comment on cricket in 80s, 90s, 2000s when you were either not born or to young. Rather silly to make assumptions on quality of cricket in an era where you weren't around

Simply looking at stats tells you nothing. In any sport how it was played 20,30 years ago to now is different. So this whole cross era comparison is stupid.
 
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