How does the present-day Jasprit Bumrah compare with the likes of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis?

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah single handedly won us WT20 in 2024. He was the main reason for winning BGT series previously.

200 wickets at <20 avg in Test cricket. Yeah, he is an outlier indeed who can turn the game on his own.

People can definitely hold Bumrah higher than Wasim as not only Indians, but many ex-cricketers believe him to the contender for GOAT bowler. Again, no disrespect to Wasim, but people can believe, Wasim’s peak is higher. Its subjective but comparing two ATGs are valid.

But whats the point of bringing down Bumrah? 90% of the time he comes in to turn the game, he does it.

Cope harder

@Sachin fan Bradman Bumrah cant take a wicket vs England

 

[mominsaigol]

Beautiful bowling by Bumrah Bradman

 

[Sachin fan]

@Sachin fan Bradman Bumrah cant take a wicket vs England

Wait, you think he is so good you expect him to take 5-fer not just every match but now every innings?

Wow, you do have very high expectations of him

Are you going to have threads posts on him every innings?

I am feeling good btw as you made a post on him.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wait, you think he is so good you expect him to take 5-fer not just every match but now every innings?

Wow, you do have very high expectations of him

Are you going to have threads posts on him every innings?

I am feeling good btw as you made a post on him.

You compared him to Bradman who performed every game excluding his debut match and final match.

You should have known how moronic the comparison was.

Im aware it was an era thing, but everyone avg 40-60 while Bradman avg 99.94 and was >>>>>> Everyone in every metric.

Bumrah isnt > Marshall, Mchrath, Hadlee, ambrose etc.

Its madness to call Mr 0 10 wicket hauls, toothpick stamina and 45 avg nz the Bradman of bowling. Blame yourself. For such a clownish comparison.

 

[RidiculousMan]

You compared him to Bradman who performed every game excluding his debut match and final match.

You should have known how moronic the comparison was.

Im aware it was an era thing, but everyone avg 40-60 while Bradman avg 99.94 and was >>>>>> Everyone in every metric.

Bumrah isnt > Marshall, Mchrath, Hadlee, ambrose etc.

Its madness to call Mr 0 10 wicket hauls, toothpick stamina and 45 avg nz the Bradman of bowling. Blame yourself. For such a clownish comparison.

This guy Bumrah would've broken into pieces if he had to bowl on roads of Pakistan back when in India toured Pakistan in 2006.

 

[mominsaigol]

India back in this, Thakur takes 2

 

[mominsaigol]

This guy Bumrah would've broken into pieces if he had to bowl on roads of Pakistan back when in India toured Pakistan in 2006.

Bumrah has zero stamina, a terrible record in the 4th session, horrible record in NZ, no 10 wicket hauls.

Comparing him to Bradman is hilarious. In order to be Bradman you need to be an outlier in your era. I highly doubt that can be achieved in this era.

At one point Steve Smith was on his way to achieve it as he was so far >>> everyone in his era but he simmered down after 8 peak years so while hes > everyone in his era as a test batter, the gap isnt high anymore.

Infact root has performed better in the past 2 years.

 

[Rajdeep]

With bottle caps - Wasim and Waqar

With integrity - Bumrah

 

[mominsaigol]

With bottle caps - Wasim and Waqar

With integrity - Bumrah

Just letting you know as an unbiased and neutral fan, Bumrah is > Wasim and Waqar in test lol.

Wasim is > In odi. Waqar is worse then Bumrah in odi.

I'm not biased that I'll take one bad game and assume Bumrah sucks.

I treat you like a brother so I dont wish to troll you. I troll trolls and enjoy tormenting them to teach them lessons.

 

[Ball Blazer]

CT fans are still keeping their hopes for Bumrah.

Sorry to disappoint you ,but he won't be able to do anything today.

 

[Mamoon]

Temu Wasim Akram bottles another 4th innings in England.

 

[Mamoon]

He started faking fatigue and injuries to cover up the embarrassing of bottling. A tactic Shoaib Akhtar used for years. No one is buying this.

 

[RidiculousMan]

He started faking fatigue and injuries to cover up the embarrassing of bottling. A tactic Shoaib Akhtar used for years. No one is buying this.

I observed this as well recently. He actually has started to believe or show the world at least that he gets tired and is injury prone - or his back might break and needs rest after every hour.

If he has started to believe this then it may turn out to be his downfall. Because the best bowlers in the world give their all and bowl even during impossible times to get a window of opportunity for their teams. Not sit on the sideline waiting to see if new balls gets available with enough cushion of runs behind.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

He started faking fatigue and injuries to cover up the embarrassing of bottling. A tactic Shoaib Akhtar used for years. No one is buying this.

Shoaib was far more lethal than Bumrah. Just didn't have the fitness.

 

[mominsaigol]

I observed this as well recently. He actually has started to believe or show the world at least that he gets tired and is injury prone - or his back might break and needs rest after every hour.

If he has started to believe this then it may turn out to be his downfall. Because the best bowlers in the world give their all and bowl even during impossible times to get a window of opportunity for their teams. Not sit on the sideline waiting to see if new balls gets available with enough cushion of runs behind.

I called this out a while back during BGT. Especially in the 2nd and 3rd test and 4th test. Anytime Head or Steve Smith started to bully him, he'd run away until the new ball came up.

Everyone thought head failed by Bumrah due to stats but head butchered bumrah with a slightly older ball.

Originally I thought it was just poor tactics by Rohit, why would he let smith and head score so much? I mean bumrah only had 1 to 2 bad overs against them?

But he did this again with Gill and he did it in the first test as captain in BGT. Aus had no way to win that test yet a little bit of spanking by Head and he ran away until the new ball showed up.

Bumrah is a stat padder confirmed.

 

[Hyder]

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Wait, you think he is so good you expect him to take 5-fer not just every match but now every innings?

Wow, you do have very high expectations of him

Are you going to have threads posts on him every innings?

I am feeling good btw as you made a post on him.

I consider bumrah best bowler of this generation with cummins. But i cant deny this was poor from him. 3 good wkts in first inning then went hiding till end. 2 wkts from him in 2nd inning would have atleast drawn the match.

He ll come back harder. But people thinking arshdeep is greattt are in for a surprise. He is okay at best.

 

[Hyder]

I called this out a while back during BGT. Especially in the 2nd and 3rd test and 4th test. Anytime Head or Steve Smith started to bully him, he'd run away until the new ball came up.

Everyone thought head failed by Bumrah due to stats but head butchered bumrah with a slightly older ball.

Originally I thought it was just poor tactics by Rohit, why would he let smith and head score so much? I mean bumrah only had 1 to 2 bad overs against them?

But he did this again with Gill and he did it in the first test as captain in BGT. Aus had no way to win that test yet a little bit of spanking by Head and he ran away until the new ball showed up.

Bumrah is a stat padder confirmed.

He waits for new ball far too much for my liking now. Idk what it is but a 2 year younger bumrah ll want bowl in hand whenever possible. Thats why i rate cummins alongside bumrah. When it gets tough he stands up and takes the bowl in hand.

 

[mominsaigol]

He waits for new ball far too much for my liking now. Idk what it is but a 2 year younger bumrah ll want bowl in hand whenever possible. Thats why i rate cummins alongside bumrah. When it gets tough he stands up and takes the bowl in hand.

Because he is not as good as you guys believe.

I have seen mcgrath, seen tidbits of hadlee, Seen Marshall, Heck even Garner edges out bumrah. Dennis Lillie is probably superior as well.

But no one actually listens to me, I made my judgment in BGT and NZ series. I watched the entire series ball by ball.

Bumrah has a few advantages that no other legend had.

A) Much much easier test batters then Mcgrath had to face. Steve Smith never faced bumrah at peak. Smith's current self is behind root in recent times and root himself is a decent test batter.

As I said root has 10 test games to reach Smith and sachin tier but atm hes way below ponting and lara.

The rest like Williamson, Travis, Brooks, Jaiswal aren't worth lacing the boots of chanderpaul, Kallis, Sehwag, Gibbs, Sanga(when he wasnt keeping) and many others.

Bumrah got neutralised by Travis in the 2nd test and the 1st one. Bumrah had no answer for this so called hack until he got the new ball and got rid of head. Similarly Smith neutralised him once he changed back to his 2015 stance since the only thing bothering him was the inswing. Infact all of NZ neutralised him.

B) A very bowling friendly era. Infact i give credit to England for curating this pitch that got easier and easier to bat on as the innings progressed. The final flat pitch is what the likes of wasim, Mcgrath and many others would bowl to.

Bumrah cant reverse or handle the old ball for the life of him. If anything he is lucky that we play odi in the 2 new ball era. It has actually helped him.

He is god awful with the old ball and has a very poor record in the 4th session. Its also why I dont rate Laxman. Its just because hes indian people rate him high. Eden gardens is no different from.bobby saving the karachi test. Both flat track innings.

C) Stamina of a toothpick will never allow him to get a 10 wicket haul. The fact he has zero proves that despite his dominance, he never actually outright dominated an opposition so brutally to the point they could never recover.

Mcgrath had far far better accuracy, bumrah > Wasim in tests but wasim was far superior with the old ball.

The only benefit I'll give to bumrah is that he doesn't have a partner to support and tail is stronger then it was in hadlee, Marshall or mcgrath era.

But bumrah is a stat padder.

Terrific bowler, and I view him = Wasim Akram. But he is significantly below the people I mentioned. Ambrose is another who should be added to the list.

He's also 100x more cowardly them wasim and has a bottle mentality. That 2024 t20 is a total fluke achieved against a team that itself is a bottle job in limited overs.

 

[Savak]

Bhumrah is a world class bowler, better than Wasim and Waqar. Unfair to blame him alone when the other bowlers didn't step up.

 

[Mamoon]

It is an ego problem. Indian media and fans have made him sit on their heads, and you can't blame them because he is the first quality pacer in their history. India is by far the least talented cricket nation in history when it comes to pace bowling. Prior to Bumrah, their best ever pacers were not good enough to carry drinks and towels for an all-time D XI, so you cannot blame them for overrating Bumrah. It is natural.

However, now that he has been overrated and made to look like someone who has been sent from the heavens, his ego doesn't allow him to accept that he has been neutralized, hence, the fake injuries and fatigue whenever he is dominated.

 

[Mamoon]

Bhumrah is a world class bowler, better than Wasim and Waqar. Unfair to blame him alone when the other bowlers didn't step up.

Better than Waqar but so are Cummins, Rabada etc., but he is not better than Wasim.

 

[Katwalindian]

Because he is not as good as you guys believe.

I have seen mcgrath, seen tidbits of hadlee, Seen Marshall, Heck even Garner edges out bumrah. Dennis Lillie is probably superior as well.

But no one actually listens to me, I made my judgment in BGT and NZ series. I watched the entire series ball by ball.

Bumrah has a few advantages that no other legend had.

A) Much much easier test batters then Mcgrath had to face. Steve Smith never faced bumrah at peak. Smith's current self is behind root in recent times and root himself is a decent test batter.

As I said root has 10 test games to reach Smith and sachin tier but atm hes way below ponting and lara.

The rest like Williamson, Travis, Brooks, Jaiswal aren't worth lacing the boots of chanderpaul, Kallis, Sehwag, Gibbs, Sanga(when he wasnt keeping) and many others.

Bumrah got neutralised by Travis in the 2nd test and the 1st one. Bumrah had no answer for this so called hack until he got the new ball and got rid of head. Similarly Smith neutralised him once he changed back to his 2015 stance since the only thing bothering him was the inswing. Infact all of NZ neutralised him.

B) A very bowling friendly era. Infact i give credit to England for curating this pitch that got easier and easier to bat on as the innings progressed. The final flat pitch is what the likes of wasim, Mcgrath and many others would bowl to.

Bumrah cant reverse or handle the old ball for the life of him. If anything he is lucky that we play odi in the 2 new ball era. It has actually helped him.

He is god awful with the old ball and has a very poor record in the 4th session. Its also why I dont rate Laxman. Its just because hes indian people rate him high. Eden gardens is no different from.bobby saving the karachi test. Both flat track innings.

C) Stamina of a toothpick will never allow him to get a 10 wicket haul. The fact he has zero proves that despite his dominance, he never actually outright dominated an opposition so brutally to the point they could never recover.

Mcgrath had far far better accuracy, bumrah > Wasim in tests but wasim was far superior with the old ball.

The only benefit I'll give to bumrah is that he doesn't have a partner to support and tail is stronger then it was in hadlee, Marshall or mcgrath era.

But bumrah is a stat padder.

Terrific bowler, and I view him = Wasim Akram. But he is significantly below the people I mentioned. Ambrose is another who should be added to the list.

He's also 100x more cowardly them wasim and has a bottle mentality. That 2024 t20 is a total fluke achieved against a team that itself is a bottle job in limited overs.

How he is better than wasim akram in tests? He literally can't take wickets of mediocre batsmen like Crawley, pope on last day of tests, wasim would have at least do something here...

 

[sweep_shot]

Bhumrah is a world class bowler, better than Wasim and Waqar. Unfair to blame him alone when the other bowlers didn't step up.

How is Bumrah better than Wasim?

1) Wasim has 500+ ODI wickets and 400+ Test wickets. Bumrah doesn't even have 250 wickets in either Test or ODI.

2) Wasim had a clean action. Bumrah has a dodgy action. If he was not an Indian, I think he would've been reported for suspicious action.

3) Wasim played against all sides. He didn't cherry pick opponents. Bumrah is pampered like a baby; he only plays certain series to avoid injury (Bumrah has a horrible fitness I guess).

4) Bumrah gets to bowl at many T20 hacks/inferior batters. Wasim had to bowl at much better batters.

Wasim and McGrath are in a different league. Bumrah is not at that level.

 

[Caved12]

I’ve honestly never seen a bowler generate that kind of pace with such a short run-up. He practically walks in, takes a few quick steps, bends his back dramatically, and somehow clocks over 140 kph. It gives the illusion that he’s putting in a lot of effort, but that’s exactly where the issue lies, he chucks. Multiple replays during recent Test series have clearly shown suspect arm movement, yet no one has the courage to call it out. He has even injured his back several times, but somehow returns each time bowling at the same pace with that same questionable run-up and bowling action, which by all logic should never allow a bowler to hit those speeds legally. I guess many here have only ever watched cricket on TV and have no real playing experience to understand what’s actually happening.

 

[atreus]

Bumrah is more skilled than Wasim but I don't think he'd have a better career

 

[TheSultan]

If you go wicketless in the 4th innings of a test match - with the opposition chasing a big target, stop mentioning him alongside ATGs

 

[sweep_shot]

I’ve honestly never seen a bowler generate that kind of pace with such a short run-up. He practically walks in, takes a few quick steps, bends his back dramatically, and somehow clocks over 140 kph. It gives the illusion that he’s putting in a lot of effort, but that’s exactly where the issue lies, he chucks. Multiple replays during recent Test series have clearly shown suspect arm movement, yet no one has the courage to call it out. He has even injured his back several times, but somehow returns each time bowling at the same pace with that same questionable run-up and bowling action, which by all logic should never allow a bowler to hit those speeds legally. I guess many here have only ever watched cricket on TV and have no real playing experience to understand what’s actually happening.

Top post.

I also feel he is possibly chucking. I don't buy this hyperextension argument.

All these doubts can be put to rest if Bumrah goes through testing.

Murali and Shoaib Akthar got tested also. Why can't Bumrah?

 

[Mamoon]

I’ve honestly never seen a bowler generate that kind of pace with such a short run-up. He practically walks in, takes a few quick steps, bends his back dramatically, and somehow clocks over 140 kph. It gives the illusion that he’s putting in a lot of effort, but that’s exactly where the issue lies, he chucks. Multiple replays during recent Test series have clearly shown suspect arm movement, yet no one has the courage to call it out. He has even injured his back several times, but somehow returns each time bowling at the same pace with that same questionable run-up and bowling action, which by all logic should never allow a bowler to hit those speeds legally. I guess many here have only ever watched cricket on TV and have no real playing experience to understand what’s actually happening.

Prime (pre-injury) Archer bowled much quicker than Bumrah can ever dream of and he had a much more effortless action than and he would also amble casually to the crease.

 

[Caved12]

Prime (pre-injury) Archer bowled much quicker than Bumrah can ever dream of and he had a much more effortless action than and he would also amble casually to the crease.

I have watched Jofra Archer bowl live, and in my opinion, his run up and action should never be compared to someone like Jasprit Bumrah. Jofra has a smooth, rhythmical approach. He starts with good momentum, slightly eases before delivering the ball, but stays in sync throughout. His action flows naturally and looks biomechanically efficient from start to finish.

Physically, Jofra seems stronger and more athletic, likely benefiting from natural genetics, and appears to have a longer wingspan as well. Some of the great West Indian fast bowlers of the past had similarly relaxed run ups, but none of them walked in for half of their approach. Their strides remained long and purposeful throughout, which helped them generate serious pace.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but after Bumrah returned from injury, especially in the series against New Zealand, he looked noticeably out of shape. He had a visible belly and love handles. Despite that, he was still bowling at 145 kilometers per hour and sending down long spells, which honestly seemed unbelievable. It raises some serious questions about his mechanics, physical conditioning at the time, and of course, his suspect bowling action.

I genuinely think Bumrah should be tested to remove all these doubts once and for all. But no one has the courage to call him out, because the BCCI has such strong control over everything, and no one wants to risk challenging them.

 

[Caved12]

Top post.

I also feel he is possibly chucking. I don't buy this hyperextension argument.

All these doubts can be put to rest if Bumrah goes through testing.

Murali and Shoaib Akthar got tested also. Why can't Bumrah?

The hyperextension argument is valid in some cases, but it can often be difficult to judge with the naked eye. That’s why it’s best to undergo proper testing if a bowling action appears questionable, especially when it looks awkward or if there seems to be any visible elbow bend that could exceed the 15 degree limit. In the past, many bowlers have been called and tested based on even minor suspicions, and the same standard should apply consistently to everyone.

 

[sweep_shot]

The hyperextension argument is valid in some cases, but it can often be difficult to judge with the naked eye. That’s why it’s best to undergo proper testing if a bowling action appears questionable, especially when it looks awkward or if there seems to be any visible elbow bend that could exceed the 15 degree limit. In the past, many bowlers have been called and tested based on even minor suspicions, and the same standard should apply consistently to everyone.

Yes. Testing should clear all doubts.

I don't know why Indians are afraid of testing Bumrah. If Bumrah is clean, testing should show it is clean.

Are Indians fearful Bumrah would test negative?

 

[mominsaigol]

How he is better than wasim akram in tests? He literally can't take wickets of mediocre batsmen like Crawley, pope on last day of tests, wasim would have at least do something here...

Atm he's slightly ahead of wasim. He will likely die down though as he ages and his overall career will be worse

 

[BouncerGuy]

How he is better than wasim akram in tests? He literally can't take wickets of mediocre batsmen like Crawley, pope on last day of tests, wasim would have at least do something here...

Bumrah's numbers are too good. Not just in india but away as well. Modern day great for sure but we have seen bumrah becoming toothless many times before when it mattered the most. Like the 2017 final, in the 4th inning yesterday as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm going to be 100% honest. Usually I refrain from such a discussion since i dont have any visible proof as I am not an icc official, however Bumrah is 100% a chucker.

This whole hyperextension double jointed drama is the biggest farce i have ever witnessed.

I am well aware of icc rules, and im am 100% certain that Bumrah is a chucker, This has nothing to do with me being a Pakistani. Axar Patel, Hussain, Harbajan, Saeed Ajmal, Shabbir Ahmed and Possibly Murli(Im not 100% sure on Murli though) are all Chuckers.

It is so brutally obvious. Hyperextension my foot. Hyperextension would never allow you to bowl at 140 clicks with such a short run up.

I've seen posts > mentioning jofra archer, Jofra archer sprints in, yes he pauses before the run up but he has still built momentum, not to mention he is 100x stronger in muscular strength then Bumrah is.

Lastly hyperextension doesn’t cause back problems which Bumrah keeps and keeps getting injured on.

The reason why he's putting a strain on his back is because he outright bending his body and his arms to give him maximum Leverage, Air speed, and accuracy.

Funny action my foot.

And ik 100% many posters who have agreed with me in the past like @sweep_shot and even posters who have disagreed with me like @gazza619 will agree on this.

I have been quiet for too long. Argument doesnt even make sense.

Bumrah's hyperextension in his arms causes back problems

 

[mominsaigol]

Hyperextension my Foot. @gazza619 @sweep_shot @Ice Man @aboveandbeyond @Major

This is downright fraudulent. Back problems my foot, he is deliberately angling his body away unlike ajmal to make it look like an illusion.

This is now Hyperextension works, 35 degree Hyperextension extensions. What a con artist.

with a side-on stance that differs from the standard "front-on" action used by most fast bowlers. The angle at which he bowls can create the perception that his arm is bending in ways that suggest a "throwing" action.

Utter Nonsense, his side on stance is a con to make it seems like he isn't bending a mile away like ajmal was. Because bumrah actually has a genetic Hyperextension extension he also gets away with it, but he 110% throwing.

Back injuries my foot. Con artist who deapite chucking still hides himself until the new ball arrives because even hack and slash players like Travis head butcher him with the new ball.

This man is a liar and no wonder many fans in Perth were furious in the same way they were furious during bodyline and seamless england fans and even aussie fans back then were defending it.

Greg Chappel is a bcci stooge. Pathetic.

 

[Major]

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Hyperextension my Foot. @gazza619 @sweep_shot @Ice Man @aboveandbeyond @Major

This is downright fraudulent. Back problems my foot, he is deliberately angling his body away unlike ajmal to make it look like an illusion.

This is now Hyperextension works, 35 degree Hyperextension extensions. What a con artist.

with a side-on stance that differs from the standard "front-on" action used by most fast bowlers. The angle at which he bowls can create the perception that his arm is bending in ways that suggest a "throwing" action.

Utter Nonsense, his side on stance is a con to make it seems like he isn't bending a mile away like ajmal was. Because bumrah actually has a genetic Hyperextension extension he also gets away with it, but he 110% throwing.

Back injuries my foot. Con artist who deapite chucking still hides himself until the new ball arrives because even hack and slash players like Travis head butcher him with the new ball.

This man is a liar and no wonder many fans in Perth were furious in the same way they were furious during bodyline and seamless england fans and even aussie fans back then were defending it.

Greg Chappel is a bcci stooge. Pathetic.

i dont know about this stuff to be honest. However, Indians used to call Akhtar a chucker for same reason, but now they hide behind it.

 

[mominsaigol]

i dont know about this stuff to be honest. However, Indians used to call Akhtar a chucker for same reason, but now they hide behind it.

Naw this is downright chucking. I never had any suspicions until Perth.

No one called Akhtar out besides Indians. When you have an entire city calling you during a series is blatantly obvious.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have lost all respect for bumrah since yesterday. I always regarded him as a champion that rohit was misusing and wanted him to be test captain.

He's nothing more then a coward, fraud and con.

Hiding himself. Despicable

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is nowhere near Sachin in status and never will be.

Sachin was still a god tier player of his era and fought tooth and nails for the team. Even injured he fought and fought.

He made an entire nation hate him in respect due to how many times he humbled Pakistan over the years.

Bumrah being the bowling equivalent of Sachin is a massive lie.

 

[gazza619]

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Hyperextension my Foot. @gazza619 @sweep_shot @Ice Man @aboveandbeyond @Major

This is downright fraudulent. Back problems my foot, he is deliberately angling his body away unlike ajmal to make it look like an illusion.

This is now Hyperextension works, 35 degree Hyperextension extensions. What a con artist.

with a side-on stance that differs from the standard "front-on" action used by most fast bowlers. The angle at which he bowls can create the perception that his arm is bending in ways that suggest a "throwing" action.

Utter Nonsense, his side on stance is a con to make it seems like he isn't bending a mile away like ajmal was. Because bumrah actually has a genetic Hyperextension extension he also gets away with it, but he 110% throwing.

Back injuries my foot. Con artist who deapite chucking still hides himself until the new ball arrives because even hack and slash players like Travis head butcher him with the new ball.

This man is a liar and no wonder many fans in Perth were furious in the same way they were furious during bodyline and seamless england fans and even aussie fans back then were defending it.

Greg Chappel is a bcci stooge. Pathetic.

I have been calling him out a chucker for quite some time. Being a BCCI employee is his biggest advantage. The amazing thing is that not a single umpire has reported him. It is like you are dealing with a mafia.

 

[mominsaigol]

I always assumed Bumrah to be a champion bowler, once that rohit was misusing in test cricket and one who disnt get any backing from his bowlers.

While the 2nd part is true, yesterday its brutally clear that Bumrah is a coward. He wasnt Injured.

The reality is that Bumrah is a guy who wants to he seen and heard as the greatest bowler of all time and he knows full well that he has an entire indian marketing chamcha cult behind him.

As a result he will do whatever it takes to protect his bowling figures and his reputation.

He knows that his reputation is somewhat ruined due to ct fakhar zaman botch. But due to having a hero mentality this is a guy who will

1) 100% Chuck

2) Use bcci influence as well as his own silence to downplay it. Unlike Ajmal Bumrah never tweets or replies about his action..je knows silence is the best critic in this regard and he can easily get away with it as long as he keeps his mouth shut and enjoys the show.

3) Use the injury excuse to hide behind his bowlers. While he did genuinely get injured in 2022 and get injured for CT, the whole wtc 2021 injury nonsense and yesterday injury nonsense was a total farce.

As captain he hid himself until the new ball came to get rid of head since he knows his action would work. Prior to that head was mauling him but Bumrah couldnt risk his reputation and wanted to end the series by pretending as if Head only avg 29 against him and he won the war

Since bumrah vs Head had been a debate ever since 2023 wtc.

The side step is extremely deliberate.

Hyperextension doesnt account for why he side steps, bowls with a funny run up, is able to generate so much pace despite having zero muscular strength and a non existent run up.

This is outright throwing.

 

[sweep_shot]

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Hyperextension my Foot. @gazza619 @sweep_shot @Ice Man @aboveandbeyond @Major

This is downright fraudulent. Back problems my foot, he is deliberately angling his body away unlike ajmal to make it look like an illusion.

This is now Hyperextension works, 35 degree Hyperextension extensions. What a con artist.

with a side-on stance that differs from the standard "front-on" action used by most fast bowlers. The angle at which he bowls can create the perception that his arm is bending in ways that suggest a "throwing" action.

Utter Nonsense, his side on stance is a con to make it seems like he isn't bending a mile away like ajmal was. Because bumrah actually has a genetic Hyperextension extension he also gets away with it, but he 110% throwing.

Back injuries my foot. Con artist who deapite chucking still hides himself until the new ball arrives because even hack and slash players like Travis head butcher him with the new ball.

This man is a liar and no wonder many fans in Perth were furious in the same way they were furious during bodyline and seamless england fans and even aussie fans back then were defending it.

Greg Chappel is a bcci stooge. Pathetic.

Should 100% get tested.

Shoaib Akthar and Murali had to get tested for hyperextensions. Why not Bumrah?

 

[mominsaigol]

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Should 100% get tested.

Shoaib Akthar and Murali had to get tested for hyperextensions. Why not Bumrah?

It's because Murli like Hafeez could clear testing because they had other deliveries.

They can easily bowl without hyper extension pass the test and start chucking during a game.

The reason why ajmal failed is because all of his deliveries were chucks and hence if he changed his action the officials would know that he's trying to fraud his way out of a test.

Not tue case with murli and hafeez that have duplicate deliveries, one without chucking and one with.

Bumrah is the same as ajmal, doesn't have a single delivery that doesn't involve throwing.

No human being, I repeat no human being even with abnormal X Men level hyperextension cam bowl at 140 clicks with such a weak muscle definition and a non existent short run up unless they are throwing it.

Logically none of Bumrah's deliveries should exceed 110-120 kph with his run up and body type. He is not a WI bowler or brock lesnar.

 

[RamLakhan]

Bumrah is suffering what Srinath suffered in the past (lack of bowling partners). All the names which people are mentioning here Marshall, Mc.Grath, Steyn, Akram, etc, all had a proper "strong" bowling unit and they were part of it! They stood out in their team, because they were unique, special, best among that team...! But they were still part of it and others contributed... Cricket is a team game... If it was like a tennis game like Sampras vs. Agassi : Bumrah vs. Cummins (some kind of platform to directly test the skills of current bowlers), he will definitely stand out... But unfortunately cricket needs a "team".

Bumrah was lethal in last T20 World Cup and oppositions were scared of him, because he had a team to go with him (Arshdeep, Pandya, and even Kuldeep, Axar formed an attacking pair). Also in 2023 WC (ODI) Indian bowling unit looked strong because Shami, Siraj & others contributed. They could not cross over the line probably because the support was fully strengthened (we missed Pandya in the finals). Once everything falls in line, things will look really good...

Here in current test team we have Prasidh, Siraj kind of on-off bowlers (bowlers who cannot even keep the scoring rate below 5 rpo) and also spinner is totally ineffective (we don't even have Satner or Lyon kind of spinner in our test team to be effective in overseas and give that batting depth - we cannot select Kuldeep for these reasons). So opposition will work their way to negate Bumrah.

Replace 1 bowler with Bumrah in any of these bowling attack:

Malcom Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Michael Holding, Joel Garner
Mc.Grath, Gillespie, Brett Lee, Shane Warne
Akram, Akther, Waqar, Saqlain
Steyn, Morkel, Rabada, Kallis

Those teams will not be weakened any bit (if not get strengthened further)

Bumrah at least needs to get into one of these bowling unit:

______, Prime Shami, Prime Ishant, Prime Umesh, Prime Ashwin
______, Vaas, Malinga, Angelo, Warne
or current SA or NZ bowling attack...

India currently has a weak bowling attack and we need to reconstruct it and not depend fully on Bumrah... In fact we may lose Bumrah very early (injuries) if we depend too much (like Shane Bond, Lee, Akther who didn't have a long career)

In fact Indian team bowling attack (fast bowling attack) was better without Bumrah (collective effectiveness) in 2015 and parts around 2005, 2010.

 

[TheSultan]

Bhumrah is a world class bowler, better than Wasim and Waqar. Unfair to blame him alone when the other bowlers didn't step up.

Honestly man - you can appreciate a bowler, and that’s everyone’s right, but you can’t make sweeping statements saying he’s better than ATG bowlers just on a whim.

Forget Wasim and Waqar, he hasn’t proven to be better than peak Kapil or Zaheer Khan yet.

 

[mominsaigol]

Honestly man - you can appreciate a bowler, and that’s everyone’s right, but you can’t make sweeping statements saying he’s better than ATG bowlers just on a whim.

Forget Wasim and Waqar, he hasn’t proven to be better than peak Kapil or Zaheer Khan yet.

He's better then kapil and zaheer. But he is a chucker. I exposed him for it. Take a look at my posts.

No fan except Indians will take him seriously from now on, atleast not on this forumn atleast

 

[IMMY69]

I always assumed Bumrah to be a champion bowler, once that rohit was misusing in test cricket and one who disnt get any backing from his bowlers.

While the 2nd part is true, yesterday its brutally clear that Bumrah is a coward. He wasnt Injured.

The reality is that Bumrah is a guy who wants to he seen and heard as the greatest bowler of all time and he knows full well that he has an entire indian marketing chamcha cult behind him.

As a result he will do whatever it takes to protect his bowling figures and his reputation.

He knows that his reputation is somewhat ruined due to ct fakhar zaman botch. But due to having a hero mentality this is a guy who will

1) 100% Chuck

2) Use bcci influence as well as his own silence to downplay it. Unlike Ajmal Bumrah never tweets or replies about his action..je knows silence is the best critic in this regard and he can easily get away with it as long as he keeps his mouth shut and enjoys the show.

3) Use the injury excuse to hide behind his bowlers. While he did genuinely get injured in 2022 and get injured for CT, the whole wtc 2021 injury nonsense and yesterday injury nonsense was a total farce.

As captain he hid himself until the new ball came to get rid of head since he knows his action would work. Prior to that head was mauling him but Bumrah couldnt risk his reputation and wanted to end the series by pretending as if Head only avg 29 against him and he won the war

Since bumrah vs Head had been a debate ever since 2023 wtc.

The side step is extremely deliberate.

Hyperextension doesnt account for why he side steps, bowls with a funny run up, is able to generate so much pace despite having zero muscular strength and a non existent run up.

This is outright throwing.

How many times have I said this only to be hounded by Indian posters???

there is no comparison with Wasim or any bowler of a different era..
Wasim started playing when there we no central contracts, he played three months every summer for Lancashire in all formats and it was time before professionalism came into the game.

If Bumrah made his debut in 1985, do you think he would have been selected for county cricket or even international cricket with that action? In fact I doubt he would have made it any further then school cricket because the coach would have told him to go become a javalen thrower....

 

[mominsaigol]

How many times have I said this only to be hounded by Indian posters???

there is no comparison with Wasim or any bowler of a different era..
Wasim started playing when there we no central contracts, he played three months every summer for Lancashire in all formats and it was time before professionalism came into the game.

If Bumrah made his debut in 1985, do you think he would have been selected for county cricket or even international cricket with that action? In fact I doubt he would have made it any further then school cricket because the coach would have told him to go become a javalen thrower....

100% agreed. Full credit to @IMMY69 for exposing this chucker.

Even with Chucking Bumrah can only muster himself to become a Temu Wasim Akram .

Quest for his first 10 fer.

 

[RidiculousMan]

It's because Murli like Hafeez could clear testing because they had other deliveries.

They can easily bowl without hyper extension pass the test and start chucking during a game.

The reason why ajmal failed is because all of his deliveries were chucks and hence if he changed his action the officials would know that he's trying to fraud his way out of a test.

Not tue case with murli and hafeez that have duplicate deliveries, one without chucking and one with.

Bumrah is the same as ajmal, doesn't have a single delivery that doesn't involve throwing.

No human being, I repeat no human being even with abnormal X Men level hyperextension cam bowl at 140 clicks with such a weak muscle definition and a non existent short run up unless they are throwing it.

Logically none of Bumrah's deliveries should exceed 110-120 kph with his run up and body type. He is not a WI bowler or brock lesnar.

Bumrah is an angle bowler. Hyperextension is real for him like Shoaib and others like Murali. But what I'm curious about is the whether or not his arm moves beyond 15° at the point of release apart from the hyperextension bit. It's hard to differentiate because the way his action is. And this is more of a reason for him to get tested because everything's so mumbled up.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is an angle bowler. Hyperextension is real for him like Shoaib and others like Murali. But what I'm curious about is the whether or not his arm moves beyond 15° at the point of release apart from the hyperextension bit. It's hard to differentiate because the way his action is. And this is more of a reason for him to get tested because everything's so mumbled up.

He has hyperextension yes. I'm not denying it. But that doesnt mean he isnt throwing it. Hyperextension allows your elbow joints to generate tougher angles and generate a greater swing i agree. I have a few family members that this is applicable to.

However it doesn't allow you to randomly bowl at such a pace despite not having the run up or body structure to support it with a round arm action.

Secondly hyper extension has no correlation with his run up, side step, or why he puts so much strain on his back.

Infact his stance where he puts his foot down, head down, back arched. That's a javelin throwing position, not a bowling position.

He is 100% throwing the ball but using hyperextension as an excuse to cover it up..

Besides what's the indian argument exactly? Are they claiming that when someone with a hyperextension throws a ball like a javelin it's not considered throwing? Its some weird new hyperextension terminology?

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians when they realise Tongue has picked up more wickets at a better avg so far in this series then Bumrah with stokes = bumrah at a better avg

 

[TheSultan]

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Should 100% get tested.

Shoaib Akthar and Murali had to get tested for hyperextensions. Why not Bumrah?

Lol that second picture is hideous!

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah whenever the opposition team is scoring & close to victory.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian fans when Bumrah is performing:

“He is the GOAT. There is no one like him, best bowler ever”

Indian fans when Bumrah is failing:

“We should feel sorry for him. He is carrying the team on his shoulders. He has no support”

The glazing and protectionism is hilarious.

 

[Rajdeep]

Unpopular opinion but Bumrah should retire from tests and focus on white ball cricket. He has already achieved a lot in test cricket by winning two test series in Australia. However, with his action and fitness, he will not be able to sustain 3 formats and IPL.

Craze of Test cricket is dying in India. The present England tour has no hype at all. I think in future, only Ashes will remain as the only meaningful test series. I am sad to say this as I love test cricket but this is the reality. Very soon India/BCCI will cut down from 5 tests to 3 due to its declining popularity.

Bumrah must leave this shinking ship and focus on winning few more ICC white ball events in future. Watching his interview with Dinesh Karthik for Sky, that is the direction he is heading anyway. It is very much possible this is his last test series.

As far as Pak posters are concerned, Bumrah is easily one of the greatest fast bowlers ever produced in the world and most certainly best from Asia. No amount of crying and whinning will change that. What he had done in 2024 alone across formats is a pipe dream for any Pak bowlers - past, present or future.

#RajdeepSpeaks

 

[Mamoon]

If Bumrah retires from Test cricket this year, he bows out with less than 250 Test wickets, which effectively rules him out as a great of the game and he ends up at the same level as someone like Shoaib Akhtar.

He won’t even feature in the top 30 wicket-takers of all time.

 

[ataullah]

With bottle caps - Wasim and Waqar

With integrity - Bumrah

Without hyper extension advantage: wasim and waqar

With hyper extension: too early to compare.

 

[RidiculousMan]

@mominsaigol Another bit I remember.

In the 2nd innings when India needed a partnership from their tail. Bumrah who normally bats above Siraj hid behind him because apparently he was afraid of getting hit on the hand.

Siraj got hit instead and Bumrah came in. Tried to slog his way out and survived only 2 deliveries. He's that kind of a character.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol Another bit I remember.

In the 2nd innings when India needed a partnership from their tail. Bumrah who normally bats above Siraj hid behind him because apparently he was afraid of getting hit on the hand.

Siraj got hit instead and Bumrah came in. Tried to slog his way out and survived only 2 deliveries. He's that kind of a character.

I'm aware, I always assumed it was a management decison initially. Since then I have opened my eyes to the character of Bumrah

 

[RidiculousMan]

Unpopular opinion but Bumrah should retire from tests and focus on white ball cricket. He has already achieved a lot in test cricket by winning two test series in Australia. However, with his action and fitness, he will not be able to sustain 3 formats and IPL.

Craze of Test cricket is dying in India. The present England tour has no hype at all. I think in future, only Ashes will remain as the only meaningful test series. I am sad to say this as I love test cricket but this is the reality. Very soon India/BCCI will cut down from 5 tests to 3 due to its declining popularity.

Bumrah must leave this shinking ship and focus on winning few more ICC white ball events in future. Watching his interview with Dinesh Karthik for Sky, that is the direction he is heading anyway. It is very much possible this is his last test series.

As far as Pak posters are concerned, Bumrah is easily one of the greatest fast bowlers ever produced in the world and most certainly best from Asia. No amount of crying and whinning will change that. What he had done in 2024 alone across formats is a pipe dream for any Pak bowlers - past, present or future.

#RajdeepSpeaks

He already picks and chooses matches in international cricket. Now mostly only play big games and miss a few test in every series.

Not to mention every game he plays. The team caters to his needs and allow him to rest during the match as much as he wants.

If he can't handle the remaining load. He might as well retire from international cricket for good.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Bumrah whenever the opposition team is scoring & close to victory.

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Wow. Bumrah actually now reminds me of Neymar. It makes perfect sense.

 

[sweep_shot]

Lol that second picture is hideous!

LOL. True.

Second one made me laugh.

Very creepy.

 

[Katwalindian]

Pat cummins is better than him in tests 24/7...

 

[Mamoon]

It is not even a question.

Cummins and Rabada are Test greats. Both have way more Test wickets than Bumrah at roughly the same age.

Both would have far greater standing in the game if they were Indian.

 

[shaz619]

He is up there with Neeraj Chopra; Bumrah is following his footsteps very well.

 

[mominsaigol]

I feel like Bumrah won't ever cross 300 wickets at this rate due to his cry baby injury prone attitude deapite juat being 90 wickets away from it.

Not to mention that avg will go up as he ages. Years from now Bumrah will essentially be in a wasted pool of players yet indian fans will still be placing him > Marshall

 

[BouncerGuy]

Just imagine, wasim bowling on the final day of the test match, better bowling conditions and defending 370+ runs, but wasim goes wicketless in bowling friendly condition, SIMPLY LAUGHABLE performance that would have been...

Bumrah did exactly that.

 

[mominsaigol]

Just imagine, wasim bowling on the final day of the test match, better bowling conditions and defending 370+ runs, but wasim goes wicketless in bowling friendly condition, SIMPLY LAUGHABLE performance that would have been...

Bumrah did exactly that.

It's cause Bumrah completed his quota of 5 wicket hauls. Dude is allergic to double digits

 

[adi_62941]

Bumrah is a fantastic bowler. If he stay fit and takes 400+ test wickets with same average and strate then offcourse he will surpass the great asian bowlers like wasim and waqar.
What people ignore is that Wasim took 400 test wickets but also took 500+ ODI wickets which is a dream for any bowler. Only Mcgrath comes close to wasim in international cricket but wasim is the only fast bowler in cricket who took 400+ wickets in each format.

Bumrah is on his way to become of the greats but he need to perform consistently and remain fit. He is much like steyn, who people called legend in making but due to his fitness and dependency on only red ball he cannot be called as legend but yes was a great bowler of his era.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Bumrah is a fantastic bowler. If he stay fit and takes 400+ test wickets with same average and strate then offcourse he will surpass the great asian bowlers like wasim and waqar.
What people ignore is that Wasim took 400 test wickets but also took 500+ ODI wickets which is a dream for any bowler. Only Mcgrath comes close to wasim in international cricket but wasim is the only fast bowler in cricket who took 400+ wickets in each format.

Bumrah is on his way to become of the greats but he need to perform consistently and remain fit. He is much like steyn, who people called legend in making but due to his fitness and dependency on only red ball he cannot be called as legend but yes was a great bowler of his era.

Ya people dont know he great wasim was in odis he was atg same in test but it impact he had in odis was unmatched.

 

[adi_62941]

I feel we can compare steyn and bumrah and both took wickets everywhere they played and also faces similar players.
But i also feel that bumrah will go steyn path, with amount of cricket he is playing.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

In order for bumrah to be Bradman, he needs to essentially be a massive massive outlier in his era.

And while he is clearly > Rabada, Boland, Starc etc etc, he has been outperformed in certain games with boland outperforming him in some BGT games as well.

In terms of status, a player like Don will never exist. No player in any era has stood like a sore thumb except for Don.

The only argument for Don is era this and that.

But the fact we have had to wait for over a 100+ years to finally find an argument that can undermine him, while I can casually undermine any player including bumrah with no effort proves that his status will never be on par with Don.

Ho gaya tumhara, one person used Bradmans example in a totally different context and now you are here crying that Indians compared Bunrah with Bradman and now you will use ghis to ridicule Bumrah if his average goes from 19.2 to 19.6, lol.

Bumrah is a generational bowler and the best of this decade, that’s more than enough to say he is rightly rated as an ATG.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Temu Wasim Akram bottles another 4th innings in England.

He has hyperextension yes. I'm not denying it. But that doesnt mean he isnt throwing it. Hyperextension allows your elbow joints to generate tougher angles and generate a greater swing i agree. I have a few family members that this is applicable to.

However it doesn't allow you to randomly bowl at such a pace despite not having the run up or body structure to support it with a round arm action.

Secondly hyper extension has no correlation with his run up, side step, or why he puts so much strain on his back.

Infact his stance where he puts his foot down, head down, back arched. That's a javelin throwing position, not a bowling position.

He is 100% throwing the ball but using hyperextension as an excuse to cover it up..

Besides what's the indian argument exactly? Are they claiming that when someone with a hyperextension throws a ball like a javelin it's not considered throwing? Its some weird new hyperextension terminology?

Okay so he is now an out and out chucker, good lord, you are a freakin troll.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There is not a single cricketer on this planet who has called Bumrah a chucker, its obvious that the pak trolls will accuse him because he has already outperformed their greats at the highest level.

But no worries, Cricketing fraternity will remember him as an ATG cricketer.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It's because Murli like Hafeez could clear testing because they had other deliveries.

They can easily bowl without hyper extension pass the test and start chucking during a game.

The reason why ajmal failed is because all of his deliveries were chucks and hence if he changed his action the officials would know that he's trying to fraud his way out of a test.

Not tue case with murli and hafeez that have duplicate deliveries, one without chucking and one with.

Bumrah is the same as ajmal, doesn't have a single delivery that doesn't involve throwing.

No human being, I repeat no human being even with abnormal X Men level hyperextension cam bowl at 140 clicks with such a weak muscle definition and a non existent short run up unless they are throwing it.

Logically none of Bumrah's deliveries should exceed 110-120 kph with his run up and body type. He is not a WI bowler or brock lesnar.

Abey you cant freakin calculate average and here you are teaching biomechanics to people.

There are 100 of cricket lers and coach including biomechanics experts who have never called him out and here comes a third class graduate who can’t calculate averages explaining us how Bumrah can’t bowl without chucking, such comedy.

 

[Mamoon]

It’s official.

He will not play in the 2nd Test because of “workload management”. What a sissy.

Let’s understand this - we are talking about a 31 year old who has only played 46 Tests in his career. He is ready to sit out in a Test series in England when India is 1-0 down.

He has no fire in his belly. There is no fight in him. He will not die if he plays all 5 Tests. He may or may not be a chucker, but he is definitely a selfish coward.