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How good is Joe Root as a Test captain?

Not with rotation, but the captain should have a big say when it comes to playing XI.

His hands are tied when he doesn’t have his best 11 available and is continually having his bowlers rotated. He has a good win record despite batting problems and rotation in the team. I think he is a underrated captain.
 
He’s doing okay. The main development area for Joe (as others have mentioned) is to take a stronger and firmer approach with the selection panel. He needs to trust his instincts as a leader, be less agreeable, and ultimately get his foot in the door for those conversations.

Vaughan, Strauss and even Sir Alastair Cook had a significant voice when decisions were being made as to selecting players — whereas Joe and the coach Chris Silverwood seem to be shut out of these discussions and left to manage the fitness and mental health of each individual in the bubble, with Ed Smith and James Taylor sending them their teamsheets in the post, based on a pre-agreed approach that has minimal flexibility applied to it.

This approach is not helping the Test team’s performance levels, and it needs to change.
 
Unlucky that he got poor team handed down to him but lucky with tosses.
Unlucky that none of his batsmen clicked but lucky that India top order too in same situation.

Key differentiating factors are
1) His bowling changes
2) Injuries to Stokes
3) Recent dip in personal form
4) Unexpected resistance from Indian tailbats
 
This enforced rotation policy is stupid - couldnt they have let the players decide for themselves if/when to take a break? England could have had even defeated India & made it to WTC if only they didnt have this rotation policy.

And Joe Root comes across as a softie - as a captain he needs to assert himself in front of the selectors & demand his best playing team. Too much political correctness & adherence to protocol in that team!
 
This enforced rotation policy is stupid - couldnt they have let the players decide for themselves if/when to take a break? England could have had even defeated India & made it to WTC if only they didnt have this rotation policy.

And Joe Root comes across as a softie - as a captain he needs to assert himself in front of the selectors & demand his best playing team. Too much political correctness & adherence to protocol in that team!

You mean come close to "even......"
 
Hasn't been plain sailing, but we have good strides as Test team: Root

England Test skipper Joe Root has said that the biggest challenge for his side would be to peak before the Ashes series against Australia.


England Test skipper Joe Root has said that the biggest challenge for his side would be to peak before the Ashes series against Australia. England and Australia are slated to lock horns against each other in the Ashes later this year. England would be squaring off against New Zealand and India in the longest format before the Ashes.

"We've made good strides over the last couple of years as a Test team. It's not been plain sailing, we've not had it all our own way, but we still improved. I truly believe we are making good strides in the right direction, and now we've got an opportunity to keep improving, keep getting better, and peak for Australia, which is the pinnacle for us," Root told Sky Sports.

Root has also admitted that England's new-look selection panel which is now led by the head coach Chris Silverwood will face a tricky balancing act to ensure the entire squad is fit ahead of the Ashes.

"It's very difficult at the minute, the circumstances make it very tricky. You've got to factor in so many different things and the welfare of the players is obviously paramount. But this is what you play for, years like this one. You want to pit yourself against the best, you want to be successful against the best, and this is the opportunity to do it," said Root.

"More than anything, it just means that that relationship between the two of us has to be as strong as ever. We get on very well and we've got a good understanding of each other. We know what we want, and so hopefully, that process becomes a little bit easier," he added.

When asked how challenging it would be to field new faces in the playing XI against New Zealand, Root said: "It's always a tricky balance. What you're trying to do is create that environment where you've got a strong squad of players that have been together for a good period of time, but no one going in cold."

"You can't plan everything perfectly, especially at the minute with Covid. There might be natural opportunities where things arise, there might not be, but the most important thing is that we remain very open-minded about how we want to move going forward. We've got some really important cricket coming up. And we've got to prioritise that. So when we sit down, we'll factor in everything as best we can, and make sure that we've got a real clear idea of how we want to go, how we want the year to look, and how we're going to peak for that tour of Australia," he added.

The first Test between England and New Zealand will begin on June 2 and the match will be played at the Lord's Cricket Ground in London.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/hasnt-been-plain-sailing-but-we-have-good-strides-as-test-team-root-101621094145382.html
 
Root is an average captain. Earlier in India, he was fooled to believe that the pink ball test will help his pacers and hence he saved Anderson for that test and not played him in the second test. Good with the tosses, not so much with his decisions.

Williamson is the best captain across all formats among the fab four by a country mile.
 
Root is an average captain. Earlier in India, he was fooled to believe that the pink ball test will help his pacers and hence he saved Anderson for that test and not played him in the second test. Good with the tosses, not so much with his decisions.

Williamson is the best captain across all formats among the fab four by a country mile.

That’s ‘Sir’ Joe Root to you first of all. Also, the selector has been fired for the debacle surrounding selection criteria as of late so not entirely sure it was all strategy in that regard, having said that pink ball history suggests the spinners don’t always have much in it for them, I guess we didn’t expect such horrible and unsporting wickets in India.

Williamson is the nicest bloke across all formats by a country mile, Kohli or Root are the best out of the fab 4. Kohli has the potential to cement himself as the best should he triumph in England. However, soon both may be surpassed by Babar Azam who is off to a winning start after excellent triumphs in Africa!
 
That’s ‘Sir’ Joe Root to you first of all. Also, the selector has been fired for the debacle surrounding selection criteria as of late so not entirely sure it was all strategy in that regard, having said that pink ball history suggests the spinners don’t always have much in it for them, I guess we didn’t expect such horrible and unsporting wickets in India.

Williamson is the nicest bloke across all formats by a country mile, Kohli or Root are the best out of the fab 4. Kohli has the potential to cement himself as the best should he triumph in England. However, soon both may be surpassed by Babar Azam who is off to a winning start after excellent triumphs in Africa!

Test batting averages:-

Smith 61
Williamson 54
Kohli 53
Root 49
Babar 42

Smith > Kohli= Williamson > Root >> Babar

As batsman, Babar is nowhere close to the fab three and even Root.

As captain, you are underrating Williamson. He was brilliant in 2019 WC semi final and finals with his decisions while defending a small target of 240 against two of the strongest batting lineups and in tests, he has led NZ to no.1 ranking in Test Cricket and a final spot in the first ever W.T.C. So, it is the result and not just the gentlemanly attitude.
 
Test batting averages:-

Smith 61
Williamson 54
Kohli 53
Root 49
Babar 42

Smith > Kohli= Williamson > Root >> Babar

As batsman, Babar is nowhere close to the fab three and even Root.

As captain, you are underrating Williamson. He was brilliant in 2019 WC semi final and finals with his decisions while defending a small target of 240 against two of the strongest batting lineups and in tests, he has led NZ to no.1 ranking in Test Cricket and a final spot in the first ever W.T.C. So, it is the result and not just the gentlemanly attitude.

We made captaincy comparisons not batting, however Kohli and Williamson are about par, Root is better then both. Williamson is a horrible captain, he took the game too deep, great captains go for the kill and are ruthless, he is praised too much for being a good bloke but am sure you’re a good bloke to
 
We made captaincy comparisons not batting, however Kohli and Williamson are about par, Root is better then both. Williamson is a horrible captain, he took the game too deep, great captains go for the kill and are ruthless, he is praised too much for being a good bloke but am sure you’re a good bloke to

I understand, nationality bias has no cure. So, let it be. Kohli and Williamson are the two best test captains around in the world and that is what the whole cricketing fraternity believes.
 
I understand, nationality bias has no cure. So, let it be. Kohli and Williamson are the two best test captains around in the world and that is what the whole cricketing fraternity believes.

Nationality bias my left foot while you do a dance for Kohli yourself :))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Horrible tactics from Eng. Why don’t the bowlers say no I don’t want 5/6 fielders on the fence - as how am I getting the batsman out skip. Will Eng go for these runs ? Remember when NZ set 270 of 75 overs & Eng never considered the chase. India win or draw for me <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SkyCricket</a></p>— Shane Warne (@ShaneWarne) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/1427231593740050437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Captain Joe Root offered to take responsibility for England's miserable defeat by India in the second Test.

Root's side lost control during a chaotic unbroken ninth-wicket stand of 89 between Mohammad Shami and Jasprit Bumrah on the final morning at Lord's.

England were then bowled out for 120 inside two sessions to lose by 151 runs.

"Tactically I got a few things wrong, and a lot falls on my shoulders," Root told BBC Test Match Special.

"The game could have looked very different if I had managed things slightly different, and I will learn from that experience."

India were 209-8 - leading by 182 - when Shami and Bumrah came together after England took two early wickets on Monday.

Their partnership altered the match from a position where England were marginal favourites to one from which only India could win.

Both are genuine tailenders, yet Shami made 56 not out and Bumrah an unbeaten 34 - highest Test scores for both - to carry India to 298-8 declared and set England an unlikely 272 to win in 60 overs.

They were helped by Root's bizarre tactics - he spread the field and their bowlers rarely targeted the stumps.

"Looking back, some of the field placings and the way we bowled at them - we could have attacked the stumps more frequently," said Root.

"I would have maybe taken more time and brought more methods of dismissal into the game sooner."

Root denied that England's tactics were a response to Bumrah peppering James Anderson with short-pitched bowling on the third evening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/58238115
 
Wow that an honest answer I din't expect. He did get his tactics wrong, his bowlers should've gone for the kill when Shami and Bumrah came to bat. The field placements , just like Babar did against WI went defensive.
 
Root has never really developed as a captain. He still makes poor tactical decisions you would expect from a first year skipper.

In saying that they dont really have any other options.
 
Right now he's in because of batting bias.

Jimmy would be a natural candidate- maybe too grumpy but he's good, respected & experienced & understands the game & its moments.

Stokes is probably the one to do it, but he's never really got his head together for more than a year or so straight. Always punching walls, getting in fights and taking time off to deal with his issues.
 
England will eventually go down the Sam Curran route at some point. Although I can’t stand the guy, but he is most likely being groomed to take over
 
England will eventually go down the Sam Curran route at some point. Although I can’t stand the guy, but he is most likely being groomed to take over

Sam Curran? What does he bring to the table? Why not Stokes (if he is upto the job mentally)?
 
….he’s not. Lol.

I think the evidence is now becoming conclusive that the captaincy role simply does not suit Joe personally. And that is genuinely fine — there are many people whom Test captaincy of a top tier ICC member does not suit.

I think Joe knows it himself. You could see it in his face and hear it in his voice last night at the post-match presentation.

We will have a 50-averaging Joe Root in our team for many years to come. But not, going into 2022, as captain. My prediction.
 
Who else is there [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]? Burns is Surrey skipper but his place is not secure. Promotion of Stokes would pile even more pressure on the golden goose. Maybe Buttler?

Incredibly, Root has been England skipper for four years and six months. Longer than anyone for a very long time.
 
Most Test wins as England captain :

27 Joe Root
26 Michael Vaughan
24 Andrew Strauss & Alastair Cook
20 Peter May
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Already is the greatest….most wins as a English Test Captain..end of <a href="https://t.co/U6BfYjXhjx">https://t.co/U6BfYjXhjx</a></p>— Ben Stokes (@benstokes38) <a href="https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1432408110350708742?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
You have to ask what was the plan going into day 5 at the Oval?

Was it just to bat out the day and hope for the best, or was there actually going to be an attempt at putting the opposition under any sort of pressure?

England seemed to lack direction today and placed the game firmly into India's hands.
 
Mediocre. Some of his field placements in this series were pathetic to say the least.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Already is the greatest….most wins as a English Test Captain..end of <a href="https://t.co/U6BfYjXhjx">https://t.co/U6BfYjXhjx</a></p>— Ben Stokes (@benstokes38) <a href="https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1432408110350708742?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Lol at Stokes, the cheerleader. Just because Root has most test wins as an English captain, he is the best ever?
 
You have to ask what was the plan going into day 5 at the Oval?

Was it just to bat out the day and hope for the best, or was there actually going to be an attempt at putting the opposition under any sort of pressure?

England seemed to lack direction today and placed the game firmly into India's hands.

It doesn't matter, they were found wanting against reverse swing of Bhumra. Whether they defended or attacked, they would have succumbed anyways
 
Who else is there [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]? Burns is Surrey skipper but his place is not secure. Promotion of Stokes would pile even more pressure on the golden goose. Maybe Buttler?

Incredibly, Root has been England skipper for four years and six months. Longer than anyone for a very long time.

This. The rest of the batting lineup can barely hold their respective places in the team.
 
He lost to NZ in NZ, lost to WI in WI, lost to NZ in England, lost to India in India and now lost to India in England.

Horrible record off late. But what are the alternatives?
 
It doesn't matter, they were found wanting against reverse swing of Bhumra. Whether they defended or attacked, they would have succumbed anyways

No, I think if they had shown more intent today that may have affected the performance of the Indian bowlers and skipper. Instead England played into India's hands and let them dominate by showing no intent at all.
 
Who else is there [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]? Burns is Surrey skipper but his place is not secure. Promotion of Stokes would pile even more pressure on the golden goose. Maybe Buttler?

Incredibly, Root has been England skipper for four years and six months. Longer than anyone for a very long time.

I also agree Stokes was a natural choice if any replacement was required but, unfortunately he is going through mental health problems so not sure if he is going to be an option now otherwise I always thought he could have been decent.

Buttler is there though. I am not impressed by his test performances and numbers but, if he is an automatic choice for test WK position then can be an option as he is a pretty decent cricketing mind in my opinion.

Not sure if Root’s position as captain is something that ECB is going to look into in near future or not.
 
Has an incredible ability to make Kohli the kaptan look decent.

To be fair, Kohli's captaincy was perfect today. One of the rare days.
 
It doesn't matter, they were found wanting against reverse swing of Bhumra. Whether they defended or attacked, they would have succumbed anyways

You dont become a top team thinking this way.

You fight hard.

With fight comes a mentality that you will give it all no matter what.

When mentality meets skill, you get a top team.
 
India has shown that there are no excuses in international cricket, you get on with things and will deliver results.

The talk of England missing players is rubbish, this was their home ground. How many teams can go to Australia and beat an A Australian team with their D team in a test series?
 
Lol at Stokes, the cheerleader. Just because Root has most test wins as an English captain, he is the best ever?

No. In my time the three standouts were Brearley, Nasser and Vaughan.

But they had arguably stronger fast bowlers and their sides could catch.
 
Incredibly poor captain. His continuation as captaincy exposes England batsmens' poor record of late that there is no one who is assured of a place and hence can relieve Root of his captaincy burden.

Tactically among the worst I have seen. His handling of Moeen was terrible.
 
You dont become a top team thinking this way.

You fight hard.

With fight comes a mentality that you will give it all no matter what.

When mentality meets skill, you get a top team.

This is exactly what Shastri has instilled into the Indian team, he may err with selection and tactics on occasion but ultimately the Indian team's mental conditioning offsets those mistakes. This approach obviously won't work so well with a less-skilled team.
 
This is exactly what Shastri has instilled into the Indian team, he may err with selection and tactics on occasion but ultimately the Indian team's mental conditioning offsets those mistakes. This approach obviously won't work so well with a less-skilled team.

Yep. Shastri has played the role of an excellent man manager, by focusing on the mental part than the skill part. He has delegated the skill part to the specialist coaches largely. He has also let Kohli run the show on the field without much interference, and letting him mould a team in his (Kohli) image.

The flipside is Shastri has not been able to question Kohli a lot and hence resulted in some players persisted with far too long despite failures like Rahane. The ruthlessness on field is not matched off field. That has to change.
 
Bad captain, not even mediocre. However his team is garbage too. So it's not entirely his fault that England doesn't have the talent to compete at top level.
 
Joe Root's captaincy slammed as 'opposite of excellent leadership' by Ian Chappell

Former Australia captain Ian Chappell has criticised Joe Root 's leadership, describing the England skipper as "an excellent batter but a poor captain".

Root's captaincy has come under scrutiny in recent years and plenty of questions have been raised over his decision-making during the ongoing Ashes series, including team selection, bowling plans and deciding to bat first at the Gabba.

In his latest column, Chappell wrote : "What is the opposite definition of excellent leadership? There's a good chance it can be summed up by Joe Root's captaincy.

"Root is an excellent batter but a poor captain.

"It's not that Root's team dislike him - on the contrary - it's just that he has taken so many poor decisions, they must be thinking, 'Oh no, not again.'

"He is not an inspirational captain and this is indicated by the number of times his team work their way into a decent position but can't finish the job.

"This happened again when, where after conceding 425 in Brisbane, England repeated their mistakes in Adelaide to leak 473 for the loss of nine.

"Another sign of Root's inadequacy was the number of times he put an English fielder in a catching position following an uppish shot going to that area.

"A good captain - as Richie Benaud regularly said - is two overs ahead of the game, otherwise he's behind in the match.

"A responsible leader has a team of competitors who want to play for their skipper.

"Root had to find a way to be ahead in the Adelaide Test if England were to surge back into the series.

"Unfortunately, they again let the opportunity slip with some questionable bowling and even more negative tactics.

"The dreaded conclusion; "Oh no not again," is likely to be a regular comment while Root remains in charge."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/root-chappell-england-australia-ashes-25736803
 
England looked intense and animated as long as Stokes was in charge while Root was off the field today. They bowled aggressively during that first hour of bowling, but reverted to type as soon as Root returned. There was no real reason to lose that intensity. Not sure whether that completely validates Chappell's point, but there is a hint of complacency among his teammates when Root is around.

Think these are the last few Tests for Root as captain, if Stokes is in a good mental space then he should be appointed as replacement. There's no other real candidate to be fair.
 
His captaincy getting some criticism now.

Ian Chappell in an article:

"Root is an excellent batter but a poor captain. It would not be unfair to describe him as an ordinary and unlucky captain. Rarely do you find a long-term captain who is lacking in imagination but is also lucky. A fortunate captain is usually lucky because the players believe he is some kind of miracle-worker and things tend to work out because of the team's belief."

"He is not an inspirational captain and this is indicated by the number of times his team work their way into a decent position but can't finish the job. This happened again when, where after conceding 425 in Brisbane, England repeated their mistakes in Adelaide to leak 473 for the loss of nine. Another sign of Root's inadequacy was the number of times he put an English fielder in a catching position following an uppish shot going to that area"
 
Some interesting observations above. Perhaps Joe should be replaced in the captaincy role by Ben Stokes after all.
 
He has the weight of the world on his shoulders. There is only so much a captain can do on-field when his bowlers can barely get the ball to the other end, the keeper is dropping catch after catch and numbers 1,2,5 can't buy a run between them.

In the previous match, England had the embarrassment of their spinner being hit out of the attack, and in this match, it's been embarrassing to have their "quick" bowler turn to offspin.

Serious questions need to be asked about their recent approach to test cricket and those questions need to be asked of the whole leadership team and not just Root.

It's disgraceful that Jack Leach who wasn't considered the premier spin bowler on the recent tour of India is now considered the premier spin bowler despite having played little cricket. In the matches he has played he has been poor and was suddenly thrust into a high-profile ashes series. Why is the hapless and hopeless Dom bess still in the squad despite showing he isn't cut out for international cricket? Would it not have been better to include Matt Parkinson who despite being uncapped at test level is a better bowler than Leack and Bess?

The choice of quick bowlers has been pretty poor too. The attack is one-dimensional, and the only major threat that England have got, Mark wood is rested after one game!

Craig Overton gets selected for every international series despite being ordinary, Chris Woakes can't bowl outside England ( look at the stats), Jimmy and Broad are close to 40 and can't play the whole series and Ollie Robinson while bowling well isn't quite good enough in the second or third spells to really trouble Australia.

Joe Root is going into the series with one arm and one leg tied behind his back. Not much he can do.
 
Root is a great batsman, but not a good captain. Not saying this based on 5-6 days of cricket in Aus.
 
He is tactically not astute but as a team man, he has definitely tried to inspire his teammates by the bucketload of runs he has scored and the fact that he went on to bowl 20 overs in an inning to make sure his pacers don't have to grind out.
 
His captainship was done for the day he lost the Lords test against India by being too emotional & using bizarre tactics against tailenders. Should have stepped down after that debacle but then again there is no real alternative, isnt it? Heck the whole team, barring him & Stokes & maybe Wood needs to be discarded.
 
Ricky Ponting has lambasted Joe Root's leadership in the wake of their second Test defeat in Adelaide, suggesting he was not firm enough on strategy with senior players after the England captain revealed his frustration at how his team bowled in the first innings.

The usually mild-mannered Root did not mince his words immediately after Australia completed a 275-run, final-session victory and to take a 2-0 series lead, lamenting that England's bowlers were making the same mistakes as they did during their 0-4 series defeat in 2017-18.

"I don't think we bowled the right lengths," Root said on Monday after the Aussies had piled up 9-473 declared in their first innings of the second Test. "If we're being brutally honest, we needed to bowl fuller.

"As soon as we did in that second innings, we created chances. We need to do that more, we need to be a bit braver, get the ball up there a bit further because when we do, we're going to create chances and make life difficult.

"That's one of the frustrating things because it's something we did four years ago and got it wrong and we didn't learn from it. We made the same mistakes last week (in Brisbane) – we just have to be better and we've got to learn those lessons very quickly."

But Ponting, who led the criticism of England's bowling across the first two days of the Test, told cricket.com.au the buck must stop with Root and suggested he should have issued an ultimatum to his bowlers to bowl fuller or be taken out of the attack.

And while he did not name them, the former Test captain made no bones about his belief that experienced duo Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in particular needed to be told as much.

"I nearly fell off my seat when I heard that," Ponting said of Root's post-match comments. "Whose job is it then to make them change? Why are you captain then?

"If you can't influence your bowlers on what length to bowl, what are you doing on the field?

"Joe Root can come back and say whatever he likes but if you're captain, you've got to be able to sense when your bowlers aren't bowling where you want them to.

"And if they're not going to listen, you take them off, simple as that.

"Give someone else a chance that is going to do it for you. Or you have a really strong conversation with them on the field to tell them what you need.

"That's what captaincy is all about.

"Regardless of whether they have taken (more than) 1150 wickets between them – well, too bad.

"'I need you to bowl differently here to how you bowl in England, I need you to bowl differently to how you bowled four years ago, and if you're not willing to do it then I'll find someone that can' – that should have been the conversation five overs into day one.

"If they had that (conversation) maybe the result could have been different."

Ponting also suggested the most promising period of England's bowling performance in Adelaide had come when Root was off the field due to a groin knock. Leading in his stead, Ben Stokes oversaw the Aussies lose 3-7 on day four including the prized scalp of Steve Smith for six.

"The interesting thing for me is the only time they bowled full in the game was when Joe Root wasn't on the ground," he said.

"The start of day four when they had a meeting on the ground before play started, Ben Stokes took over the captaincy, and that was the only time in the game they pitched the ball up."

For Australia, selection questions going into the third Test in Melbourne revolve around the spot of Marcus Harris and whether Jhye Richardson, who bowled Australia to victory on day five in claiming his maiden Test five-wicket haul, can hold his spot with the looming returns of Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood.

Ponting has backed Harris to remain in the side, while he sees Richardson as being the unlucky man out if all three of Cummins, Hazlewood and Mitchell Starc are fit.

England's selection issues run deeper.

Batters Rory Burns (51 runs at 12.75), Haseeb Hameed (58 runs at 14.50) and Ollie Pope (48 runs at 12.00) have all been ineffectual in the series so far, with Ponting calling for Burns to be dropped and Dawid Malan, England's leading run scorer in the two Tests so far, to open.

He sees Zac Crawley as the logical replacement in Malan's No.3 spot, while he believes wicketkeeper-batter Jonny Bairstow is a better option than Pope at the No.6 position.

In terms of the bowling, Ponting suggested Chris Woakes should make way and that only one of Anderson and Broad should play at the MCG with Mark Wood expected to return.

He also reiterated his belief England had blundered by not picking a specialist spinner in Adelaide, taking aim at the visitors' bowling coach Jon Lewis, who said on Sunday: "In hindsight, you might say we could have picked a different side but at the time we felt like we picked the team that would win the game."

"They've got some real selection dramas I think - every message that they've sent so far has seemed like a confused one," said Ponting.

"Even their bowling coach last night said that in hindsight 'we (might have) picked the wrong team'. Well I think we all knew you picked the wrong team before the game started, I'm not sure what the hindsight thing is.

"Everyone saw this before the game started, everyone saw what the result would be in Brisbane with the team they picked up there (without Broad or Anderson in the team).

"What they're trying at the moment just isn't working."

Ponting picks apart England's batting woes: HCL Vantage point

Rory Burns doesn't rely on a rock-solid technique, he's got his own methods. I think he's fighting some real demons against the ball that's leaving him, Mitchell Starc angling in and getting ball to go away ... and he's tried to avoid facing the first ball of the innings. His feet are moving a lot more than he thinks they are. He's getting so far across his stumps and locking himself off that he is finding it really hard to score runs on the off-side and down the ground. I'd be surprised if he stayed in (for Boxing Day) to be honest. He just looks all at sea, even playing Nathan Lyon.

Haseeb Hameed, for an opening batsman, doesn't know what to play and what to leave. His dismissals have clearly been balls, that if he'd been more decisive with his decision-making and his footwork ... he didn't need to be playing at them. He's playing a defensive shot to those balls, when you're looking to defend balls on a fifth-stump (line) and a forward defence length, it's just a recipe for disaster.

Ollie Pope has just seemed in rush. Another one who didn't need to be playing at that ball (which dismissed him) on length or on line. I know he fought hard in the first innings in Brisbane but against really good quality bowling on a wicket that's got anything in it, I think he's going to struggle.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/ric...lers-broad-anderson-adelaide-ashes/2021-12-21
 
He has a pretty mediocre side as a whole, especially outside home. He is the only dependable batter while the bowlers are as good as the conditions allow them to be. Broad was one who could bowl match defining spells but he's been out of form of late.

As a tactician, Root is quite average. Doesn't really read the game properly. His captaincy is pretty similar to De Villiers'.

Buttler or Stokes would make better captains but one hasn't cemented his place even after playing 50+tests while the other is quite injury prone to be playing consistently.

Chris Silverwood runs the show quite evidently but Root only seems like a guy who agrees to everything he is told.
 
Most defeats as Test captain

Graeme Smith - 29 (109 games)
Stephen Fleming - 27 (80 games)
Brian Lara - 26 (47 games)
Joe Root - 23 (58 games)
Allan Border - 22 (93 games)
Alastair Cook - 22 (59 games)

No England captain has lost more Tests than Root.
 
Ex-AUS WK rates England star's captaincy above Root; 'They haven't got it right'

The former Australia wicketkeeper pointed out the differences in the leadership and insisted that England “haven't got it right” in the first-two Ashes Test.

Joe Root has been drawing criticism for his captaincy decisions during the ongoing Ashes series. While Root has continued his impressive show with the bat, England put out weak performances across both Tests as the side trails 0-2 in the five-Test rubber, with the third to be played from December 26 in Melbourne.

Former Australian captain Ricky Ponting had earlier questioned Root's leadership and insisted that he should know when and how to use his bowlers. Another ex-Aussie – Brad Haddin – has now raised doubts over Root's captaincy.

Haddin said that England's best outing during the second Test in Adelaide came when Root went off the field and Ben Stokes took over as the stand-in captain. This happened during the fourth day of the match.

"What they did really well tactically was the fourth morning. Who was off [the field]? Joe Root. Ben Stokes took over and it just looked a lot more calm. He had a plan, the bowlers bowled fuller, he had catching midwickets and short covers," Haddin said on Triple M Cricket.

“They bowled at the stumps and they challenged Australia. They took four wickets for, I think, under 20 runs and they put Australia under pressure. Root came back on and it all went downhill again. So, to me something’s not quite right. I think Ben Stokes tactically is the best captain. If you look at the first two Test matches, they haven’t got it right.”

Earlier, Steve Smith, who led Australia in the second Test in absence of Pat Cummins, had some words of advice for his English counterpart.

"There's always going to be critics out there that critique your performance as a captain. I guess for him (Root), the best advice I could give is just trust yourself, and do everything you can to help your team grow and be as successful as you can be," cricket.com.au quoted Smith as saying.

"Sometimes as a captain you get out-played by the opposition and there's not a great deal you can do. But just reflecting or seeing what you can do better is always important, that's part of being a player or a leader," he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...hey-haven-t-got-it-right-101640231735720.html
 
Mark my words… as Cook did before him, Root will step down to a batsman only role at the end of the series. (or earlier if he gets too injured/exhausted to continue…we know he is carrying something already.)

Time for a new leader. It will have to be Stokes.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/22/england-batsmen-forced-to-rewatch-wickets-in-post-adelaide-ashes-debrief

The Boxing Day Test is a chance for England’s batters to show whether instructions about discipline outside off stump have permeated following a forthright team meeting that saw them forced to rewatch their dismissals during the 275-run defeat in Adelaide.

After going 2-0 down in the Ashes series Joe Root used his post-match press conference to criticise the lengths bowled by his seam attack. However the Guardian understands it was the batting unit that drew much of the ire during a post-match debrief in which the usually mild-mannered head coach, Chris Silverwood, was angered.

In scenes that sound mildly reminiscent of Australia’s response to their shock defeat at Headingley during the 2019 Ashes series – when Justin Langer replayed in full the entire fourth day meltdown suffered at the hands of Ben Stokes – Silverwood put 14 of the 20 English wickets to fall on the TV screen in the dressing room and highlighted failures to leave balls in the channel that didn’t need playing at.

Stokes, the vice-captain, is said to have been a strong voice during these intense discussions, while Jos Buttler, who followed a first-innings edge to slip for a duck with a 207-ball rearguard on the final day, also spoke up to correct one individual who suggested the focus should be on the first 20 balls each batter faces in Australia.

Buttler instead stressed the need for this discipline to be the focus throughout, citing the example of Marnus Labuschagne, who on Wednesday displaced Root at the top of the ICC Test batting rankings, after a first innings 103 from 305 balls that saw 83 deliveries left alone. Overall Australia’s batters left around a third of the deliveries they faced against the new ball – ie the first 30 overs – while for England this figure dropped to a quarter, despite both attacks operating similar lines and lengths.

The frank nature of this all-in debrief is understood to have surprised a number of players present. But the response is said to have been positive, with England’s faltering top seven accepting a need to address a collective urge to feel bat on ball after eight of their 14 wickets fell to catches between wicketkeeper and gully off the seamers.

Mark Wood, the fast bowler who was rested in Adelaide despite impressing at the Gabba, said: “We obviously review the game, things we could do better, things we’ve done well. But this was more a kick up the bum to say look we are 2-0 down now, the same mistakes keep on happening. It was a good discussion.

“It could go one of two ways, but people having those brutally honest conversations and accepting that within the group is something I feel like the team are open to and respect – the fact we can speak to each other like that. I think we probably needed it.”

Root’s public appraisal of the bowlers dropping too short, though not supported by the Hawk-Eye data and a source of criticism from former Australia captain Ricky Ponting regarding leadership, risked creating a rift given the second Test was ultimately lost during a collapse of eight for 86 in 38.3 overs on the third day.

But Wood, set to return for the must-win third Test at the MCG, said: “If I’m brutally honest, it doesn’t feel in the dressing room that it’s a batters v bowlers thing, with all the batters in one corner giving snidey talk about the bowlers and all the bowlers in the other corner talking about the batters. It’s not like that.

“I think as a bowling group we can always get better as well and that’s something we’re constantly reviewing and looking at. With the batting, as we discussed in the meeting, these heavy collapses that we keep having are what are costing us Test matches.

“If you have a bad session or you lose a couple of wickets, that’s not ideal but fair enough. If we’re losing huge chunks of the game [to collapses], then that’s what is knocking us back. We’re all in it together. But we’re coming under a bit of fire at the minute for batting and bowling because we are getting soundly beaten.”

Wood’s absence from the second Test represented a contentious decision from the England team management at 1-0 down, the 31-year-old having sent down 25 overs of searing pace at the Gabba and hurried up Steve Smith before his dismissal for only 12.

Asked if he accepted the call, Wood replied: “I was ready to go if required, but the decision was made that I would be left out. I accept that. We’re all part of a team here that’s trying to win the Ashes. If that was the best decision for the team, that was fine.”

On the prospect of a return in front of a projected crowd of 70,000 at the MCG, Wood added: “It’s a huge occasion. If I get selected, that’s something I can tell my son one day that I got up in front of that many people in a massive sporting occasion with everything on the line. I’ll give everything I’ve got, 100%, charging in, to try to get us the right result to get us back in the Ashes.”
 
Is Root the right choice as captain for England?
 
He clearly isnt the best choice He simply had failed to motivate his team which has slumped to new lows

Time for ben stokes to be captain
 
Poor Root.
Performed against everybody, home or away but was surrounded by extremely mediocre teammates.
Reminds me of Sachin Tendulkar of 1990s, who was lone fighter for his team but was unable to give us positive results on his own.
Cricket is a team sports, one player is not enough to win you matches.
 
Joe Root speaking at end of the 3rd Test:

'It's a big part of where the game is at in our country right now that the only place you can really learn is in the hardest environment for what is quite a young batting group'

'They're having to learn out here in the harshest environments. You look back at 2015 and the reset that happened in white-ball cricket, and maybe that's something that needs to be happening in our red-ball game as well.'

'You've got to front up, make sure you stay very strong, and looking to improve all areas of our game, individually and collectively.

'You have to have a really strong inner belief and we need to put some pride back into the badge, to give people back home something to celebrate from this tour.

'It's bitterly disappointing to be 3-0 down, but we have to come away from this tour with a couple of wins.'
 
Very positive batting today from Joe Root’s team and an aggressive declaration as well.

Good leadership from Joe.

He works better without Chris Silverwood.
 
Joe has scored his 14th Test hundred as England captain today.

This is a record for England captains.
 
<b>England in West Indies: Joe Root admits he could have been "a bit braver" with declaration</b>

Joe Root admitted he could have been "a bit braver" with his declaration after England had to settle for another draw in the second Test against West Indies.

Root left his side two sessions to take 10 wickets on the final day by setting the hosts 282 in 65 overs.

But West Indies did not attempt the chase, captain Kraigg Brathwaite making 56 not out as they batted for a draw.

"It's frustrating not to win, but the way we played was a brilliant effort on a very placid surface," said Root.

"We could have maybe been a bit braver with the declaration, but it feels like a faster scoring ground here," added England captain Root.

"I thought they might have a little go [at chasing], but it wasn't the case."

England took three early wickets and Jack Leach claimed a further two after tea, but England were thwarted by Brathwaite's 184-ball knock - which followed his 11-hour century in the first innings - and the hosts ended on 135-5.

In a similar situation in the first Test, Root declared to set West Indies 286 in 71 overs only for his bowlers to come up six wickets short, but in Barbados he waited even longer to call his team in.

The failure to dismiss the hosts, albeit on a slow pitch and up against Brathwaite's resilient knock, means England's winless run stretches to seven Tests.

"Maybe we could have pulled out 10 overs earlier, but defending 240 in 70 overs might be a big ask for any side on that wicket," Root said.

"We didn't try to go for a miracle win in 30 overs, making sure we had 340 on the board, but I suppose the more confident you get, the braver you might get with those decisions.

"The most important thing is to keep finding ways of giving ourselves a chance to win Tests because we are finding positions where we're on top and commanding the game."

The three-Test series, level at 0-0 going into the final match which begins on Thursday in Grenada, follows England's humiliating 4-0 Ashes defeat.

Despite the result, Root said he "can't ask any more of the group".

Root scored 153 in the first innings, all-rounder a swashbuckling Ben Stokes 120 and Dan Lawrence 91. Jack Leach bowled 94.5 overs across the Test, taking six wickets while Saqib Mahmood took an respectable 4-79 on debut.

England also scored 507-9 declared in the first innings - the first time they have passed 500 since February 2021.

"In terms of where we've been this winter and where we're starting to see improvements is a really promising thing from us," added Root.

"If we keep putting ourselves in these positions it won't be long before we see ourselves winning a Test match here.

"The batting group is slowly building the confidence back up and getting somewhere where we need to be in this format."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60817210
 
Would an earlier declaration have made a difference to the result?

Does Root deserve criticism for his perceived caution? Or praise for trying to force an unlikely win, in not one but two consecutive Tests?

Is Root improving as captain?

Some questions that can be explored.
 
Would an earlier declaration have made a difference to the result?

Does Root deserve criticism for his perceived caution? Or praise for trying to force an unlikely win, in not one but two consecutive Tests?

Is Root improving as captain?

Some questions that can be explored.

I thought the declaration was pretty good. Root did not use to declare like this earlier. I was happy to see him trying to win this and the last match.
 
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