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Maybe a flash in the pan this performance against NZ but the signs of progress are there.

Bangladesh are on the way up.

They have the batting to show for it and whilst their bowling may struggle, it appears a matter of time before they start competing with the best.

When that happens, all we will have is a pic of Misbah holding a mace in his hand and not much more.
 
Soon... They might already do if they even draw a single test in NZ... And they can't do worse in English and Aussie conditions than whitewash. Just one win anywhere and they will be at par with Pak. Coz Pak has done well in just one country I.e. England. Everywhere else they have been whitewashed. And they should also win in SL. So answer is soon if they continue like this
 
Bangladesh's bowling is associate level. If Fizz plays their pace attack will improve considerably but otherwise they still cannot take 20 wickets against good oppositions and you cant win tests matches without doing that.
 
Long way to go. You are over rating bd too early. We need at least three very impactful pacers to consider decent test team. We also need pacers pipeline.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Long way to go. You are over rating bd too early. We need at least three very impactful pacers to consider decent test team. We also need pacers pipeline.
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Should focus on Taskin and Fizz' fitness. Both have potential to become world class test pacers but they need to remain fit.
 
Ankit007 said:
Soon... They might already do if they even draw a single test in NZ... And they can't do worse in English and Aussie conditions than whitewash. Just one win anywhere and they will be at par with Pak. Coz Pak has done well in just one country I.e. England. Everywhere else they have been whitewashed. And they should also win in SL. So answer is soon if they continue like this
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Pakistan drew 2-2 in England, which was a better performance than India's last tour there.
 
Ankit007 said:
Soon... They might already do if they even draw a single test in NZ... And they can't do worse in English and Aussie conditions than whitewash. Just one win anywhere and they will be at par with Pak. Coz Pak has done well in just one country I.e. England. Everywhere else they have been whitewashed. And they should also win in SL. So answer is soon if they continue like this
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First bangla have to go un defeated for seven series, while they are not good enough for three conesecutive series now....
 
Kakar said:
Pakistan drew 2-2 in England, which was a better performance than India's last tour there.
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Indeed but we did better in AUS, NZ and SA.. similarly if Bangladesh does well in NZ and one more nation then they surpass Pak
 
Ankit007 said:
Soon... They might already do if they even draw a single test in NZ... And they can't do worse in English and Aussie conditions than whitewash. Just one win anywhere and they will be at par with Pak. Coz Pak has done well in just one country I.e. England. Everywhere else they have been whitewashed. And they should also win in SL. So answer is soon if they continue like this
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Only country where India has better record than pak was in Aus where they draw 2 games but we are good in england than India so this is even stevens so the next tour to RSA gave us better views
 
tanveer din said:
First bangla have to go un defeated for seven series, while they are not good enough for three conesecutive series now....
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Well... That needs to be seen. You can't predict it right? And particularly Bangladesh as their improvement rate is great in recent years
 
Ankit007 said:
Indeed but we did better in AUS, NZ and SA.. similarly if Bangladesh does well in NZ and one more nation then they surpass Pak
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We yet to tour RSA and you also while in Australia you guys win nothing, just draw a odd game
 
We have a long way to go to.

Our pace attack fielded in the current match has a total of 1 test wicket. Perhaps with Fizz and Shahid it can be better
 
I think around 3/4 years time.

They are a very strong ODI unit at home and look to be getting stronger in the Test format as well.

It's really good signs because you want more competitive teams at Test level. And the enthusiasm for cricket in Bangladesh is crazy while in Pakistan though strong it seems to be going down.
 
Ankit007 said:
Indeed but we did better in AUS, NZ and SA.. similarly if Bangladesh does well in NZ and one more nation then they surpass Pak
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India did better by drawing a few games, not by winning anything. Pakistan actually won a couple of games and drew the series. Don't see BD winning any game either.
 
I think this time Bangladesh will whitewash us in test as well. Our team is finished
 
MenInG said:
When that happens, all we will have is a pic of Misbah holding a mace in his hand and not much more.
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Why? BD doing well is good for cricket and it hardly means that Pakistani fans should feel bad. More good teams means you get more even contests.
 
Kakar said:
India did better by drawing a few games, not by winning anything. Pakistan actually won a couple of games and drew the series. Don't see BD winning any game either.
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We won a game in England as well. And lost a lot less than you which means we were more competitive than you everywhere else.

And Bangladesh has that capability in them to win a game or two as well. Not overhyping them. I genuinely believe they are that good. And that is really good for cricket
 
Pakistan are better than both NZ and Ban. I don't see Bangladesh eclipsing Pak anytime soon.
 
Ankit007 said:
We won a game in England as well. And lost a lot less than you which means we were more competitive than you everywhere else.

And Bangladesh has that capability in them to win a game or two as well. Not overhyping them. I genuinely believe they are that good. And that is really good for cricket
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Bangla didnot have bowling to even draw the test
 
tanveer din said:
Bangladesh will even dream of getting mace
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They are a minnow team in test, but they are improving side. They are many spots between being minnow and getting to rank 1. Even Pakistan in their entire history has not been ranked number one for more than 10-20 weeks so expecting BD to get there in near future is too much. But they can surely be not a pushover by drawing many games based on their batting and making it hard for other teams to win. That's a good start. In distant future, any team can be ranked one , including BD.
 
tanveer din said:
Bangladesh will even dream of getting mace
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And their dreams come true. Like their dream of whitewashing you in Odis was their dream. Like their dream of beating England in test. And like many such dreams, this will also come true. Though it will take more time. They have surpassed you in Odis. Perhaps you didn't notice
 
Ankit007 said:
And their dreams come true. Like their dream of whitewashing you in Odis was their dream. Like their dream of beating England in test. And like many such dreams, this will also come true. Though it will take more time. They have surpassed you in Odis. Perhaps you didn't notice
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Probaly 20 years they play max five tests a year
 
tanveer din said:
Bangla didnot have bowling to even draw the test
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Maybe you are Right. But what if they perform. No one becomes a star until they perform. They have proven their mettle in ODIs. They might do in tests as well. Bowling combo of mustafizur, shakib, taskin is not that bad... And believe me they are trying to find more youngsters than you are. They don't rely on TTFs. They have better future than you have mate...
 
Over reaction yet again
By this logic, Pak is better than Aus
Aus lost 0-3 in SL where as Pak team beat SL
 
in tests I would say five to ten years if we dont improve. But if we improve and look to get better then itll take longer. One thing people need t understand is we play a good amunt of four day cricket and other countrys are not as adept at tests anymore so we will remain competitive for the foreseeable future..in ODI's they are already better than us..
 
May be in a couple of years , Bangladesh have the right approach and the youngsters coming through their system are very good. In a few years time they will be as good any other team. Pakistan on the other hand is going down , the incompetent PCB over the years have failed to improve the system and as a result cricket quality is getting worse with time. Bangladesh will soon be threatening india in India.
 
Posters are grossly overrating Bangladesh team. They are not even half as good as they think of themselves. Just see the difference between the averages and performances of players between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Bangladesh batsmen, despite playing mostly against lesser teams, average hardly 35, which is considered atrocious by Pakistan standards and this despite every Bangla batsman playing like 30-40 tests and most of them being at home. The less we talk about their bowling, the better. Fizz is outrageously unfit always. He is so frail that he can't even play two ODI matches in a row to save his life, let alone test matches. Taskin got to be the most overrated bowler in the world. He is basically a poor man's Wahab/Umesh. The rest are non-existent.

Pakistan's bowling is miles better than Bangladesh and batting is way ahead than it's not even a contest. First let Bangladesh win a test series against a major nation, let alone being undefeated for 7 consecutive series like Pakistan.
 
tanveer din said:
How? Dont forget they whitewashed pakistan
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Yes they did and they will do again if they were to tour next month, that doesn't make NZ a strong team, Pakistan are carrying lots of baggage and their seniority preference is holding them back. I won't be surprised if they are whitewashed in WI though.
 
JibranAnsari said:
May be in a couple of years , Bangladesh have the right approach and the youngsters coming through their system are very good. In a few years time they will be as good any other team. Pakistan on the other hand is going down , the incompetent PCB over the years have failed to improve the system and as a result cricket quality is getting worse with time. Bangladesh will soon be threatening india in India.
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OR they might take the SL route & (almost) never be competitive in India, for the foreseeable future.
 
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King Kong said:
Posters are grossly overrating Bangladesh team. They are not even half as good as they think of themselves. Just see the difference between the averages and performances of players between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Bangladesh batsmen, despite playing mostly against lesser teams, average hardly 35, which is considered atrocious by Pakistan standards and this despite every Bangla batsman playing like 30-40 tests and most of them being at home. The less we talk about their bowling, the better. Fizz is outrageously unfit always. He is so frail that he can't even play two ODI matches in a row to save his life, let alone test matches. Taskin got to be the most overrated bowler in the world. He is basically a poor man's Wahab/Umesh. The rest are non-existent.

Pakistan's bowling is miles better than Bangladesh and batting is way ahead than it's not even a contest. First let Bangladesh win a test series against a major nation, let alone being undefeated for 7 consecutive series like Pakistan.
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Pakistan has much better pace attack no doubt.

But our batting lineup is improving. Tamim averages 40+ and probably one of the better test openers in the world. Shakib is averaging 40+ as an allrounder, mominul averages 50+, Mushfiq might average 33 but he is a far better batsman than that.
 
Not in foreseeable future ,their pacers don't have the energy to bowl long spells also mentally they just have 1-2 good batsmen.
 
I think, it's a very good thread - start of many such.

Probably, around same time 2 years back (just before WC), I wrote that, unless there is a massive re-engineering, in quick time Bangladesh will replace India as PAK's emotional rival & Afghanistan as neighboring rival - this thread is just the starting.

Couple more years, before next WC, I might have to write that Nepal will replace SRL as regional rival.
 
Why you people are always trying to underestimate your own team. If any team do well it is good but dont start comparing with Pakistan
 
Ankit007 said:
Soon... They might already do if they even draw a single test in NZ... And they can't do worse in English and Aussie conditions than whitewash. Just one win anywhere and they will be at par with Pak. Coz Pak has done well in just one country I.e. England. Everywhere else they have been whitewashed. And they should also win in SL. So answer is soon if they continue like this
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Is there a time frame for this 'Pak has done well in just one country?' Or is it one of those lazy observations that are easy to make?
 
Looks like you don't follow Pak cricket regularly. Last time we beat SL in all three formata when visited SL.
 
Bangladesh have beaten England once, that series a draw too while our last 7 Tests vs England read 5-2. Their second good performance has been great but as seen by NZ's response its on a dead pitch. They have shown themselves capable of racking up scores on dead pitches before too so this is nothing new. They were beaten by Pakistan not too long ago as well.

When they have wins more than in single digits in Test arenas then maybe we can argue they're improving. As right now its just another good, not for the first time, performance on a placid pitch.
 
Not quite soon. Bowling is uninspiring and overrated by their supporters. They somehow perform good against new Zealand.A bogey team maybe.
 
Pete Rose said:
Is there a time frame for this 'Pak has done well in just one country?' Or is it one of those lazy observations that are easy to make?
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My observations are based on recent tours of Pakistan. Point me out if I said anything wrong. Don't object only because you don't like it....
 
BD batting is better than Pakistan but their bowling is still not test class and still inferior to Pakistan , although Pakistan!s own bowling is perhaps among the bottom ones in tests now.
 
Ankit007 said:
My observations are based on recent tours of Pakistan. Point me out if I said anything wrong. Don't object only because you don't like it....
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That's why I ask how recent. Because this year is the first time they have lost a test series in New Zealand for as long as I have watched cricket
 
moghul said:
BD batting is better than Pakistan but their bowling is still not test class and still inferior to Pakistan , although Pakistan!s own bowling is perhaps among the bottom ones in tests now.
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Are you kidding.pakistan batting line up is 100times stronger then ban wi sri nz
 
This is a very good performance from us. You have to remember this our FIRST away series in 2.5 years...thats 28 months. There may not be much movement on this surface, but there is pace and bounce.

India and Pakistan and even SL play 5-6 Tests overseas every year and they still struggle (relatively speaking). SL just got whitewashed in SA and not one of the matches was close. Bangladesh would have also been whitewashed, but the matches would have been closer.

Basically, there isn't much seperating the top 9 teams. They all do well at home and then get slaughtered abroad with rare exceptions (SA beating AUS).
 
malik junaid said:
Are you kidding.pakistan batting line up is 100times stronger then ban wi sri nz
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After 0-2 loss in NZL and 0-3 in Australia and twice they were bundled out in 2 sessions , where BD batsmen piled up > 500 runs when put into bat in a perfect bowler friendly conditions and you are still proud of Pakistan team batting. You're a true fan of Pak cricket, if not realistic one. FYI: I'm Pakistan team supporter , not from BD.
 
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in_cutter said:
Why not? They don't have a wreckless cricket board..they are producing better batsmen. They have a better overall system. They can be better.
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Its like Costa Rica making it into the final of the football world cup. It just doesn't happen.
 
If Bangladesh somehow are able to draw against Eng in ENG, will that make them better than India too? after all some ppl are judging teams on the basis of result of 1 series.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Its like Costa Rica making it into the final of the football world cup. It just doesn't happen.
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No, it's not like Costa Rica making Final - it's a question of if Costa Rica can be better than Hungary or not. I did pick Hungary here, not Germany; because Hungary made the WC Finals, twice.
 
They may be able to compete with Pakistan but I can't see them ever being 'better'.

Fast bowlers will always be their problem, they just don't produce any, never have.
 
Bangladesh the new Pakistan from 1970-2005

Bangladesh team is performing in alien conditions (New Zealand) and our Kaptaan (Pakistan) saheb keeps blabbing about foreign conditions. Pakistan team is the new Bangldesh team of 1990s.We are the minnows who very soon will be competing for World Cup spot in 2019. Let me tell you! competing among minnows to plays sgainst the big boys will scar Pakistan forever. People have now started looking Pakistan as a spent force.
Unfortunately Our domestic cricket will stay as it is, selection will be based on friendships, selectiom committe will always be pressured to select people who captain recommends, due to financial corruption A tour and Under 19 tours will notbtake place, recycyling of failed players after they perform well in rotting domestic circuit with the fact that other who perform one after the other will keep getting neglected but recycled players (failures at international arena) after performing great in domestic circuit legitimises their selection numbering into numerous comeback. Pakistan cricket today has same status as hockey and squash.
OUR CRICKET IS DOOMED.
 
Why do us Pakistanis should care whether Bangladesh becomes good or not ?? I mean that should be the least of our problems right !!??

If they improve, Good for them; if they don't I wouldn't care less or give two hoots about it.
 
MMHS said:
I think, it's a very good thread - start of many such.

Probably, around same time 2 years back (just before WC), I wrote that, unless there is a massive re-engineering, in quick time Bangladesh will replace India as PAK's emotional rival & Afghanistan as neighboring rival - this thread is just the starting.

Couple more years, before next WC, I might have to write that Nepal will replace SRL as regional rival.
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Trust Bangladesh fans to go OTT at first hint of success.... dude you have a powder puff attack made out of glass ... playing consecutive days of cricket is a challenge for some.

unless Bangladesh decides to make good it's previous promises and tour Pakistan, i don't think Pakistan will play any bilateral cricket with you... Also you have the small factor of the rabidly anti Pakistan witch that runs your country playing spoil sports at every corner to appease the master in Delhi.

If you don't play, how can you replace India as the main rival?
 
I feel your pain and share it.

" Baat to such hey magar baat he russwai kee". ( Its true but shameful ).
 
What a depressing Post ? do you think Nawaz Sharif will be Prime Minister forever ? Pakistan is Country Recovering From terrossim, Corruption, nepotism, Discrimination when all this factors you can't do better in anything; But Military is doing fine;

And Once Military train these guys they did beat england in england and draw the series.. When Clean is UP going on there is no Need to Cry lols? One Day I think Azhar Ali Need to be replace, Asad Shafiq should concentrate on Test and should try to get PSl contracts...

Sarfaraz Should be giving Captaincy; Wahab Riaz is Outdated.. Need more Young and Balance team.. I think Imad should not be cast as super Hero.. Shoaib M, M.Hafeez both of them should take responsibilities or should be shown doors.. Play good or leave...
 
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Eagle_Eye said:
Trust Bangladesh fans to go OTT at first hint of success.... dude you have a powder puff attack made out of glass ... playing consecutive days of cricket is a challenge for some.

unless Bangladesh decides to make good it's previous promises and tour Pakistan, i don't think Pakistan will play any bilateral cricket with you... Also you have the small factor of the rabidly anti Pakistan witch that runs your country playing spoil sports at every corner to appease the master in Delhi.

If you don't play, how can you replace India as the main rival?
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Your post is a perfect example of what is delusion - don't you feel shamed talking so loud regarding fitness of other team after PAK's show in AUS's ground?

BCB will not promise anything, didn't ever, still PAK came last year, will come again this year, and next year as well, if there is a window. Beggars are not choosers, I understand, it doesn't sound good.

Regarding the rivalry, you don't need to play bilaterals - last time IND played PAK over 4 years back ... Just like this thread pooped up from no where, and there a 3 more so far, there will be many more.
 
I think the problem is defensive mindset because of timid captain. A young aggressive captain is what we need.
 
Bangladesh is not the new Pakistan

Pakistan is the Pakistan of the old , 80s and 90s
 
MMHS said:
Your post is a perfect example of what is delusion - don't you feel shamed talking so loud regarding fitness of other team after PAK's show in AUS's ground?

BCB will not promise anything, didn't ever, still PAK came last year, will come again this year, and next year as well, if there is a window. Beggars are not choosers, I understand, it doesn't sound good.

Regarding the rivalry, you don't need to play bilaterals - last time IND played PAK over 4 years back ... Just like this thread pooped up from no where, and there a 3 more so far, there will be many more.
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there is your delusions coming to the fore again.... the India Pakistan rivalry is not replaceable by Bangladesh.... Bangladesh has to be far more competitive other than at its dull and slow pitches to be considered a worthy opponent. Pakistani bowlers can play consecutive matches and test matches at that. And even Sohail bowls his third spell faster than most of your bowlers on a good day.

Despite not playing each other for 4 years, why does ICC ensure Pakistan and India are in the same group at almost every tournament?... because there is demand for it and the reasoning behind it transcends cricket.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
there is your delusions coming to the fore again.... the India Pakistan rivalry is not replaceable by Bangladesh.... Bangladesh has to be far more competitive other than at its dull and slow pitches to be considered a worthy opponent. Pakistani bowlers can play consecutive matches and test matches at that. And even Sohail bowls his third spell faster than most of your bowlers on a good day.

Despite not playing each other for 4 years, why does ICC ensure Pakistan and India are in the same group at almost every tournament?... because there is demand for it and the reasoning behind it transcends cricket.
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First part of your post is rubbish, smell some coffee to wake up.

For 2nd part - once Celtic-Rangers was highest TRP event in Club football; now they are Scottish football club. At this rate, in 5 years time ICC won't be able to schedule IND-PAK match :(
 
MMHS said:
First part of your post is rubbish, smell some coffee to wake up.

For 2nd part - once Celtic-Rangers was highest TRP event in Club football; now they are Scottish football club. At this rate, in 5 years time ICC won't be able to schedule IND-PAK match :(
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Ill informed Comparison once again. No one in England gave two hoots about the Glasgow clubs? Certainly not the biggest or ever has been.

5 years is a long time for Pakistan to change its fortunes around... let's give you another 10 years, see if you can get into double digits for test wins.... what's the total you on now?

Actually, the 10 test wins should be the benchmark for even being considered a worthy opponent.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ill informed Comparison once again. No one in England gave two hoots about the Glasgow clubs? Certainly not the biggest or ever has been.

5 years is a long time for Pakistan to change its fortunes around... let's give you another 10 years, see if you can get into double digits for test wins.... what's the total you on now?

Actually, the 10 test wins should be the benchmark for even being considered a worthy opponent.
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I should have understood that your reach shouldn't have been far enough - google Old Firm derby to educate yourself.

You also don't know, it took 15 years for PAK to win 10 Test, another 7 years for the next one. And, it took India 31 years.

Anyway, don't bother to respond this one. BD has 8 Test wins, even I don't think the it's as close as winning 2 more Tests :)
 
MMHS said:
I should have understood that your reach shouldn't have been far enough - google Old Firm derby to educate yourself.

You also don't know, it took 15 years for PAK to win 10 Test, another 7 years for the next one. And, it took India 31 years.

Anyway, don't bother to respond this one. BD has 8 Test wins, even I don't think the it's as close as winning 2 more Tests :)
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No, it took (the Republic of) India only 5 years to register their first win.
 
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