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How many of you believe in Shabe-Barat?

Do I believe in Shab e baraat?

YES, I do.

I find it amazing that before the past 2-3 years, I never even heard about a conflict concerning the legitimacy of Shab e baraat. There are sahih Ahadis that support this (as posted by MalikMohsin sometime before), while on the other spectrum, plenty that are deemed to be weak. Then there are accusations of fabricated ones.

Now, I'm no religious scholar- but honestly I make an effort of reading and understanding Islam but in this case, I beg to differ. Is ibadah now biddah? Fasting? Praying and hoping for forgiveness?

Our divide is as ridiculous as it gets. My connection is with my Allah, as is with every single Muslim out there. We are all to gain inspiration and follow the lives and ideals of the Holy Prophet pbuh, the previous Prophets (AS) as well as the Sahabah Ikram (RA) and the wives of the Prophet pbuh. While they are all humans, as have been mentioned many times in the Quraan, but their personalities epitomise perfection of human behaviour which we should all try our best to follow.

I've read in various articles by Todd Lawson and Professor ur Rahman, that the very act of creation of the Universe was a Mercy of Allah. This side, we do not see in mainstream media, but the God of Islam is characterised by Mercy, instead of his Wrath. His Wrath is as important as can be, but Allah's Mercy and Compassion outdoes it.

Now if a hadis saying- no matter how "disputed" it may be, encourages me to do good, then would I be committing (God-forbid) "kufr" by doing it? What about a Hadis that encourages me to pray, remember Allah and ask for His Forgiveness on one "presumably" special night?

Who is to say that despite our disagreements, Allah swt Does descend to the first heaven and reviews the deedsheets? Since we do not know the absolute truth, suppose if this really does not happen, then still, who are we to say that Allah swt will not forgive the weeping, repenting believer who believes that Allah is observing him from the first heaven and rewriting Destiny?
All this, knowing that our Allah is a personification of Mercy that exceeds mortal comprehension!

There is no limit to Allah's Power and Mercy. And we, of all the Muslims that have ever existed, are seriously no one to police or label another's faith or practice, especially if such "practices" result in increased remembrance of Allah, even for one night, which we would normally waste away youtubing/watching TV whatnot.

Disputing over the concept of "Shab e Baraat" only shows how utterly misleaded and divided we are.. And how utterly ingrained we are in our ways of being divided! :facepalm:
 
You are quite right brother, Scholars are quite divided on this issue however, we must stay away from fabricated customs which have their basis in weak hadiths.

As I keep on repeating, the middle path would be to perform Nawafil if you really want to.

middle or extreme path, still better than the hansel and gretel path
 
Yes i believe in it.
When u can't decide what is right, follow the majority.
 
If you are Wahabi, Salafi or Deobandi, there is a good chance you would not accepting anything favoring this night. And everyone else believes in this night and everything that is stated about it. I don't understand what is so confusing about it.
 
I haven't read all the posts here because my net is really slow -.- so I don't know if it has been mentioned or not so I'm gonna type it out myself.

For those of you asking 'how it can be a Bidah when we are praying?'
I hope you know that Bid'ah means innovation.
There are two types of Bidah, one is 'good' Bidah; one that involves prayer, fasting and other acts of worship. This sort of Bid'ah is NOT a sin but it is not what our Prophet(SAW) ever told us to do.
The other Bid'ah is the 'bad' Bidah; one that involves shirk or israaf or anything that is harmful to us whether it is spiritually, physically and financially or socially (and so on).

So yeah. Technically Shab-e-Baraat is the 'good' Bidah. But I think the mithai and firecrackers may fall in a third, new category which can called 'useless Bidah'.
 
Do I believe in Shab e baraat?

YES, I do.

I find it amazing that before the past 2-3 years, I never even heard about a conflict concerning the legitimacy of Shab e baraat. There are sahih Ahadis that support this (as posted by MalikMohsin sometime before), while on the other spectrum, plenty that are deemed to be weak. Then there are accusations of fabricated ones.

Now, I'm no religious scholar- but honestly I make an effort of reading and understanding Islam but in this case, I beg to differ. Is ibadah now biddah? Fasting? Praying and hoping for forgiveness?

Our divide is as ridiculous as it gets. My connection is with my Allah, as is with every single Muslim out there. We are all to gain inspiration and follow the lives and ideals of the Holy Prophet pbuh, the previous Prophets (AS) as well as the Sahabah Ikram (RA) and the wives of the Prophet pbuh. While they are all humans, as have been mentioned many times in the Quraan, but their personalities epitomise perfection of human behaviour which we should all try our best to follow.

I've read in various articles by Todd Lawson and Professor ur Rahman, that the very act of creation of the Universe was a Mercy of Allah. This side, we do not see in mainstream media, but the God of Islam is characterised by Mercy, instead of his Wrath. His Wrath is as important as can be, but Allah's Mercy and Compassion outdoes it.

Now if a hadis saying- no matter how "disputed" it may be, encourages me to do good, then would I be committing (God-forbid) "kufr" by doing it? What about a Hadis that encourages me to pray, remember Allah and ask for His Forgiveness on one "presumably" special night?

Who is to say that despite our disagreements, Allah swt Does descend to the first heaven and reviews the deedsheets? Since we do not know the absolute truth, suppose if this really does not happen, then still, who are we to say that Allah swt will not forgive the weeping, repenting believer who believes that Allah is observing him from the first heaven and rewriting Destiny?
All this, knowing that our Allah is a personification of Mercy that exceeds mortal comprehension!

There is no limit to Allah's Power and Mercy. And we, of all the Muslims that have ever existed, are seriously no one to police or label another's faith or practice, especially if such "practices" result in increased remembrance of Allah, even for one night, which we would normally waste away youtubing/watching TV whatnot.

Disputing over the concept of "Shab e Baraat" only shows how utterly misleaded and divided we are.. And how utterly ingrained we are in our ways of being divided! :facepalm:

Read the article which I posted in this thread earlier.
 
Do I believe in Shab e baraat?

YES, I do.

I find it amazing that before the past 2-3 years, I never even heard about a conflict concerning the legitimacy of Shab e baraat. There are sahih Ahadis that support this (as posted by MalikMohsin sometime before), while on the other spectrum, plenty that are deemed to be weak. Then there are accusations of fabricated ones.

Now, I'm no religious scholar- but honestly I make an effort of reading and understanding Islam but in this case, I beg to differ. Is ibadah now biddah? Fasting? Praying and hoping for forgiveness?

Our divide is as ridiculous as it gets. My connection is with my Allah, as is with every single Muslim out there. We are all to gain inspiration and follow the lives and ideals of the Holy Prophet pbuh, the previous Prophets (AS) as well as the Sahabah Ikram (RA) and the wives of the Prophet pbuh. While they are all humans, as have been mentioned many times in the Quraan, but their personalities epitomise perfection of human behaviour which we should all try our best to follow.

I've read in various articles by Todd Lawson and Professor ur Rahman, that the very act of creation of the Universe was a Mercy of Allah. This side, we do not see in mainstream media, but the God of Islam is characterised by Mercy, instead of his Wrath. His Wrath is as important as can be, but Allah's Mercy and Compassion outdoes it.

Now if a hadis saying- no matter how "disputed" it may be, encourages me to do good, then would I be committing (God-forbid) "kufr" by doing it? What about a Hadis that encourages me to pray, remember Allah and ask for His Forgiveness on one "presumably" special night?

Who is to say that despite our disagreements, Allah swt Does descend to the first heaven and reviews the deedsheets? Since we do not know the absolute truth, suppose if this really does not happen, then still, who are we to say that Allah swt will not forgive the weeping, repenting believer who believes that Allah is observing him from the first heaven and rewriting Destiny?
All this, knowing that our Allah is a personification of Mercy that exceeds mortal comprehension!

There is no limit to Allah's Power and Mercy. And we, of all the Muslims that have ever existed, are seriously no one to police or label another's faith or practice, especially if such "practices" result in increased remembrance of Allah, even for one night, which we would normally waste away youtubing/watching TV whatnot.

Disputing over the concept of "Shab e Baraat" only shows how utterly misleaded and divided we are.. And how utterly ingrained we are in our ways of being divided! :facepalm:

I agree with most of what you said.

However to clarify your question, 'is ibaadah now a bidah?', I'd like to add a couple things. Like I said in my previous post (Bid'ah means innovation, whether good or bad). Now ibaadah itself is not a bid'ah ofcourse but the 'culture' of Shab-e-baraat is considered to be Bid'ah by many. The whole culture and whatever contains within it whether its mithai distribution, or non-Islamic acts of sitting in graveyard with candles, or genuine acts of worship such as fasting ON the 15th of Shabaan is merely an innovation.

You wanna worship(read it as pray, fast and read Qur'an) on Shab-e-Baraat, you are fully entitled to do so. However it becomes annoying when people do the following on Shab-E-Baraat

1. Consider it an obligatory practice
2. Stupid stuff like distributing sweets, having daawats, and not forgetting sitting in the graveyard with candles.

Also the same people would be doing nothing special on the last ten odd nights of Ramadan for Laylatul Qadr when in fact it is mentioned in our own Holy Qur'an. I've seen people do that, sadly.
 
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I agree with most of what you said.

However to clarify your question, 'is ibaadah now a bidah?', I'd like to add a couple things. Like I said in my previous post (Bid'ah means innovation, whether good or bad). Now ibaadah itself is not a bid'ah ofcourse but the 'culture' of Shab-e-baraat is considered to be Bid'ah by many. The whole culture and whatever contains within it whether its mithai distribution, or non-Islamic acts of sitting in graveyard with candles, or genuine acts of worship such as fasting ON the 15th of Shabaan is merely an innovation.

You wanna worship(read it as pray, fast and read Qur'an) on Shab-e-Baraat, you are fully entitled to do so. However it becomes annoying when people do the following on Shab-E-Baraat

1. Consider it an obligatory practice
2. Stupid stuff like distributing sweets, having daawats, and not forgetting sitting in the graveyard with candles.

Also the same people would be doing nothing special on the last ten odd nights of Ramadan for Laylatul Qadr when in fact it is mentioned in our own Holy Qur'an. I've seen people do that, sadly.

^ very truly said!

however I would like to add is in case of street distribution/firecrackers and all that - they may as well be culturally ingrained and may have nothing to do with the legitimacy of Shab e Baraat in the first place.

Consider someone who distributes sweets/daig among the public which may include the poor, on 15th Shabaan. The act of feeding the poor is wholly welfare-based and is illustrated in Islam at various points. Nothing bad about it. If someone does distribute sweets/daig and the like amongst the poor with the intention of aiding the poor and gaining some "nekiyaan" then I personally see no fault in it, whether it is done on Shab e Baraat or any other day.

Yet those who *only* do it on Shab e Baraat thinking "ooh Allah swt is observing me from the first heaven I better be good now!" is clearly delusional because Allah is closer than one's own jugular vein, and is Always Watchful.

I agree that we should not let certain cultural "add-ons" become the very definition of Shab-e-Baraat. The focus must remain on worship/praying/asking for forgiveness and not on firecrackers.. But it is the claiming that entire concept of Shab e Baraat is biddah is what I find perplexing and sad.

Your thoughts don't change facts and we don't have the liberty of practicing Islam as per personal liking. Be careful brother.

Agreed. But realise this too that Allah swt judge's actions based on intentions as well. Good day.
 
The 2 bidah's people talking about are bidah al hasna (good bidah) and bidah as- saiya (bad bidah)

i doubt shab e baraat is any bidah. Because there are records with sound chains in which Hazrat Ali(as) has talked about the importance of this night.
 
The 2 bidah's people talking about are bidah al hasna (good bidah) and bidah as- saiya (bad bidah)

i doubt shab e baraat is any bidah. Because there are records with sound chains in which Hazrat Ali(as) has talked about the importance of this night.

What source are the records from bro ?
 
bump, what is the ritual that we are suppose to follow on this night?

like is praying 2 nafl just enough?
 
All I remember from my childhood is lighting up some firecrackers on this blessed night.
 
Nothing.

Follow what we do in normal nights. Nawafil can be prayed any night.
It's become a matter of not just opinion but a deliberate attempt to besmirch authentic Sunnah. This is an extremely important night for the vast majority of orthodox Muslims.
 
It's become a matter of not just opinion but a deliberate attempt to besmirch authentic Sunnah. This is an extremely important night for the vast majority of orthodox Muslims.

Important night according to Allah or Muslims? That is the Question you need to chose first.

If it is important night according to Allah , we will have evidence from Quran and hadeeth. If you provide that we will look into that , and apologize here.

If there is none , then its an innovation.
 
Important night according to Allah or Muslims? That is the Question you need to chose first.

If it is important night according to Allah , we will have evidence from Quran and hadeeth. If you provide that we will look into that , and apologize here.

If there is none , then its an innovation.
Blessings to you too my brother.
 
Rubika Liaquat posted herself and her family celebrating this festival on Instagram.
 
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