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How should the Pakistani government, PCB deal with the following ICC, BCCI and Government of India measures for forfeiting the India T20 WC game?

RexRex said:
What do you want the ICC to do if Pakistan boycotts Feb 15 ?
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I want Pakistan to boycott and as a consequence of that dilute and do away with ICC.

I want world cups to be once in four year events. More like 1 ODI every for years and 1 T20 WC every 2 years on an invite basis.

Do away with WTC. It’s a farce.

Bilateral cricket based on what countries can agree up on.

Let’s give that a shot for a decade. The ICC in its current form and geopolitical climate is not worth the bother. Resources can be put to better use in India instead funding cricket in Netherlands
 
HitWicket said:
The BCCI made a $392mn surplus last year. They received $340mn in distributions from the ICC. Anyone who thinks this won't have an impact on the BCCI as well is deluding themselves.
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Sure it will have an ipact on BCCI just like everyone else. It is more about how much will it hurt.

I believe BCCI is in a position to absorb any type of hit. More so than other boards.
 
Devadwal said:
THis is another test for you , go find out of 44 cr Record, from where this is came. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

There is different between profit, hosting fees and broadcasting money

These idiots don't know anything. First read carefully everything

:klopp :kp
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This is the BCCIs share of the tournaments profits. Their costs relating to the tournament are 10.69 crore. The suggestion they aren't taking a share of the profit is quite clearly a straight up lie.
 
HitWicket said:
This is the BCCIs share of the tournaments profits. Their costs relating to the tournament are 10.69 crore. The suggestion they aren't taking a share of the profit is quite clearly a straight up lie.
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Hosting the Asia Cup alone added over ₹100 crore to its earnings through hosting fees, media rights :klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Hosting the Asia Cup alone added over ₹100 crore to its earnings through hosting fees, media rights :klopp :kp
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Who's earnings are you referring to? The Asia cup makes a profit for the ACC. The ACC then distribute those profits out to it's members. The BCCI accounts show them taking their share of those profits.
 
rpant_gabba said:
I want Pakistan to boycott and as a consequence of that dilute and do away with ICC.

I want world cups to be once in four year events. More like 1 ODI every for years and 1 T20 WC every 2 years on an invite basis.

Do away with WTC. It’s a farce.

Bilateral cricket based on what countries can agree up on.

Let’s give that a shot for a decade. The ICC in its current form and geopolitical climate is not worth the bother. Resources can be put to better use in India instead funding cricket in Netherlands
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What are you on about ?

The question was what consequences/sanctions should the PCB face for the boycott. You went off on some rant about ICC schedule.
 
HitWicket said:
The BCCI:

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@Devadwal and Akash Chopra: "“In the history of Asia Cup, BCCI has never taken its share from the tournament. They have never even touched it."
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Most people don't understand this completely and make baseless assertions. Essentially India and the BCCI have allowed a more even distribution of revenue at the ACC compared to the ICC.

- India takes only 15% of the ACC distribution. Essentially that allows all the ACC major cricket playing nations to draw an even 15% - India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. The remaining 25% is distributed to Affiliates
- However at the ICC level, India insists on a 38.5% share

Keep in mind that Indian broadcasters account for an even greater percentage of ACC's revenue than the ICC. At the ICC, the Jio deal comprises close to 80% of revenue. At the ACC, it's higher than 80% from the Sony Deal.

So while Akash Chopra is not completely right, he's not totally wrong either. The BCCI has deliberately chosen not to strongarm the ACC for various seasons - some altruistic, some not. It's unlikely to continue.
 
Red-Indian said:
Most people don't understand this completely and make baseless assertions. Essentially India and the BCCI have allowed a more even distribution of revenue at the ACC compared to the ICC.

- India takes only 15% of the ACC distribution. Essentially that allows all the ACC major cricket playing nations to draw an even 15% - India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. The remaining 25% is distributed to Affiliates
- However at the ICC level, India insists on a 38.5% share

Keep in mind that Indian broadcasters account for an even greater percentage of ACC's revenue than the ICC. At the ICC, the Jio deal comprises close to 80% of revenue. At the ACC, it's higher than 80% from the Sony Deal.

So while Akash Chopra is not completely right, he's not totally wrong either. The BCCI has deliberately chosen not to strongarm the ACC for various seasons - some altruistic, some not. It's unlikely to continue.
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He is completely wrong though... He claimed they'd never even touched a share of the tournaments profits, when they quite clearly always have. The fact it's an equal share to the other full members (in the same way it was for ICC distributions until about a decade ago) is a completely different story and claim.
 
HitWicket said:
He is completely wrong though... He claimed they'd never even touched a share of the tournaments profits, when they quite clearly always have. The fact it's an equal share to the other full members (in the same way it was for ICC distributions until about a decade ago) is a completely different story and claim.
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This kind of stuff is Chinese whispers. He probably read some vague, poorly written article that India is sacrificing it's share for Affiliates and interpreted it as completely giving up it's share. These cricketers are not finance nerds.
 
RexRex said:
What are you on about ?

The question was what consequences/sanctions should the PCB face for the boycott. You went off on some rant about ICC schedule.
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At a ICC level,

1) ban Pak from WC26 and deny them all ICC funds for 2026. It’s an easy case legally. Part events will have little direct impact as terms of the contract and situations and reasons are vastly different.

2) Put PCB membership up for a vote.

BCCI level

1) avoid PCB at all levels.

2) make boards and players choose between BCCI and PCb
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
0.5 billion USD from one game, Inds have already gone crazy. Their media has gone absolutely ballistic which is funny considering all the big talk was coming from them earlier. The nodders here who claimed India-Pakistan is not a rivalry are suddenly very interested. After a long time we have summoned the will to go for the jugular and every cricket fan not just Pak should be backing it. @Savak @DRsohail @Dr_Bassim spreading BCCI propaganda should be ignored.
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I am not sure why you mentioned me.

I have nothing against boycott but I would see if they boycott the semi final or final vs India or is this just showboating ?
 
Pakistan should deal with this in a smart and practical way, not emotionally. The government and PCB should clearly put Pakistan’s position on record with the ICC, follow the rules, and ask for equal treatment. At the same time, they should avoid making loud political statements that only hurt Pakistan more.

If India or BCCI uses politics to forfeit games, Pakistan should let the ICC handle it and expose the double standards professionally. Play cricket wherever possible, strengthen ties with other boards, and focus on improving the team’s performance. In the long run, strong cricket and consistency will speak louder than walkovers and statements.
 
rpant_gabba said:
At a ICC level,

1) ban Pak from WC26 and deny them all ICC funds for 2026. It’s an easy case legally. Part events will have little direct impact as terms of the contract and situations and reasons are vastly different.

2) Put PCB membership up for a vote.

BCCI level

1) avoid PCB at all levels.

2) make boards and players choose between BCCI and PCb
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You suspended bilateral cricket in 2008…. So why are you complaining today when Pakistan suspends ICC games?
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Pakistan should deal with this in a smart and practical way, not emotionally. The government and PCB should clearly put Pakistan’s position on record with the ICC, follow the rules, and ask for equal treatment
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That’s what they have done in the past and will do in the present

But they know that nobody listened in the past and will not listen in the present either

IMO Pakistan should just continue with its current, no nonsense mood. Let’s just get out of ICC after this tournament or even if they want us to get out now.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
If India or BCCI uses politics to forfeit games, Pakistan should let the ICC handle it and expose the double standards professionally
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Pata nahi kis dunya main rehte ho bro.

None of this will happen. Let Pakistan government /Naqvi/Munir do their thing. They will handle it in their way.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Pakistan should deal with this in a smart and practical way, not emotionally. The government and PCB should clearly put Pakistan’s position on record with the ICC, follow the rules, and ask for equal treatment. At the same time, they should avoid making loud political statements that only hurt Pakistan more.
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It’s pointless speaking to the ICC because:

1. The ICC Chairman is Indian.
2. The ICC and its members only respond to financial interests.

The best strategy is to hit them where it hurts most.

Hum to doobenge sanam, tum ko bhi le doobenge that seems to be the only way forward.

When icc and its members will know its going to effect them too thats when they will take pcb serious

By now pakistan would have been kicked out if it didn't effect the other boards and the icc but because it does icc is running around and doing back channel talks
 
emranabbas said:
It’s pointless speaking to the ICC because:

1. The ICC Chairman is Indian.
2. The ICC and its members only respond to financial interests.

The best strategy is to hit them where it hurts most.

Hum to doobenge sanam, tum ko bhi le doobenge that seems to be the only way forward.

When icc and its members will know its going to effect them too thats when they will take pcb serious

By now pakistan would have been kicked out if it didn't effect the other boards and the icc but because it does icc is running around and doing back channel talks
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I get the frustration and there’s some truth in what you’re saying as money is the language the ICC understands, and pressure only works when it affects everyone, not just Pakistan. That’s reality.

But going full “hum doobenge…” is risky. If Pakistan only plays the burn the house down card, we might hurt ourselves more than the system. The ICC won’t suddenly become fair out of fear; they’ll just look for ways to isolate PCB further if the moral high ground is lost.

A smarter approach is balance. Yes, apply pressure where it hurts financially, but at the same time keep engaging, building alliances, and forcing the ICC to deal with Pakistan as a stakeholder, not a troublemaker. Back channel talks are happening because Pakistan still matters and that leverage should be used carefully, not wasted.

Pakistan hasn’t been kicked out precisely because the system needs us too. The goal shouldn’t be mutual destruction, but making sure the cost of ignoring PCB is higher than the cost of listening. Pressure plus strategy beats anger alone.
 
Rana said:
Pata nahi kis dunya main rehte ho bro.

None of this will happen. Let Pakistan government /Naqvi/Munir do their thing. They will handle it in their way.
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I get you but government pressure may create noise, but it doesn’t automatically translate into long-term fairness for Pakistan cricket.

The smarter path is using both fronts: keep pushing the issue formally through the ICC to keep the record clean, and apply pressure where it actually works.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
I get the frustration and there’s some truth in what you’re saying as money is the language the ICC understands, and pressure only works when it affects everyone, not just Pakistan. That’s reality.

But going full “hum doobenge…” is risky. If Pakistan only plays the burn the house down card, we might hurt ourselves more than the system. The ICC won’t suddenly become fair out of fear; they’ll just look for ways to isolate PCB further if the moral high ground is lost.

A smarter approach is balance. Yes, apply pressure where it hurts financially, but at the same time keep engaging, building alliances, and forcing the ICC to deal with Pakistan as a stakeholder, not a troublemaker. Back channel talks are happening because Pakistan still matters and that leverage should be used carefully, not wasted.

Pakistan hasn’t been kicked out precisely because the system needs us too. The goal shouldn’t be mutual destruction, but making sure the cost of ignoring PCB is higher than the cost of listening. Pressure plus strategy beats anger alone.
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Excellent post. To take it in a wider world context, do what Canada's been doing if you're feeling so aggrieved with India as Canada's been feeling with the US.

Yes the US (and specifically Trump) have been insulting and marginalising them but they haven't burnt their bridges. Carney's been speaking up - smartly and fearlessly at important forums, building alliances with other middle powers, preparing for the worst but living with things as they are in the real world without losing their self-respect.

Pakistan's actions would've been the equivalent of Canada throwing their toys out of the pram when Trump called them a 51st state and refusing to Trade with US. Mutual suicide pact so to say.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
If India or BCCI uses politics to forfeit games, Pakistan should let the ICC handle it and expose the double standards professionally. Play cricket wherever possible, strengthen ties with other boards, and focus on improving the team’s performance. In the long run, strong cricket and consistency will speak louder than walkovers and statements.
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Isn't that what Pakistan has done here. I've kept an eye on UK media and the overall coverage has been quite sympathetic. Nasser and Atherton Podcast basically were saying well done Pakistan and Bangladesh, butcher on the stick to cricket podcast also basically said well done Pakistan for sticking with their Muslim brother Bangladesh. Almost all media is viewing this event in th context of Indians treatment of fizz and their role in the champions trophy. Butcher made a good point that India didn't just inconvenience Pakistan during that they inconvenienced the other teams.

Pakistan in contrast has just missed one match, and in purely cricketing terms hasn't inconvenience anyone.

If I was PCB and BCB at this point I would be formally raising the potential of Bangladeshi and Pakistani players in 100 and raising via England cricket South Asian stars initiative too.

This situation was bound to occur sooner rather than later. Better that we are holding the matches and setting the building on fire than letting the Indians do it.
 
Savak said:
ICC Measures

- Decision to impose punitive financial punishments, penalties and with holding PCB's ICC's share or deducting any losses to the ICC against PCB's share?

- Decision to impose a ban on Pakistan's Cricket Status

- Decision to withdrawal approval, NOC of the Pakistan Super League?

BCCI/Government of India Measures

- Declaration that any foreign country or foreign player touring Pakistan or playing in Pakistan billaterally or in the Pakistan Super League will have no approval, permission to participate in the Indian Cricket economy as a player/commentator/coach

- Announcement that not a single takka from the Indian Cricket economy (95% of ICC's funds) can go to Pakistan

I hope to god that the government of Pakistan and the PCB has thought long and hard about India's, BCCI and ICC counter measures because trust me, if there is anything that motivates a common Indian to work bloody hard for their country and to uplift it, it is their deep core hatred for Pakistan.

The things i have outlined above are absolutely real possibilities. If i put myself in India's shoes, BCCI shoes, if they don't do something serious about the manner in which Bangladesh and now Pakistan have rebelled against them, they will lose face big time and other fellow cricketing countries will no longer take the BCCI seriously and given the manner in which the US, UK and the EU has dropped their "India as a competitor and counter weight to China in the region project" given the phenti the Indian military and the Indian air force received against Pakistan. Its very clear since the May conflict between the two countries, the West now literally has the following opinion about the Indians and the country of India in general "Yes, these guys are very rich, they have deep pockets, they talk a lot, they boast a lot, they think very mighty and haughty of themselves but when push comes to shove these guys can't fight worth ****". Very similarly the likes of the ECB, Cricket Australia, South Africa, New Zealand too will start questioning to what extent will the BCCI really go to punish their adversaries.

Hence, a real recession is going to hit Pakistan Cricket and the PSL and the PCB better have proper alternative plans in place to deal with what is to come ahead.

The last thing i want is for this whole saga to be a brief 5 minutes of glory basking by the Pakistani PM, Army Chief, Mohsin Naqvi and where they did not fully think or plan for the long term consequences of their decision.
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West doesn't care what pakistanis think or say about India, nor do they run on pakistani military software updates, so what you wrote is your imagination
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Isn't that what Pakistan has done here. I've kept an eye on UK media and the overall coverage has been quite sympathetic. Nasser and Atherton Podcast basically were saying well done Pakistan and Bangladesh, butcher on the stick to cricket podcast also basically said well done Pakistan for sticking with their Muslim brother Bangladesh. Almost all media is viewing this event in th context of Indians treatment of fizz and their role in the champions trophy. Butcher made a good point that India didn't just inconvenience Pakistan during that they inconvenienced the other teams.

Pakistan in contrast has just missed one match, and in purely cricketing terms hasn't inconvenience anyone.

If I was PCB and BCB at this point I would be formally raising the potential of Bangladeshi and Pakistani players in 100 and raising via England cricket South Asian stars initiative too.

This situation was bound to occur sooner rather than later. Better that we are holding the matches and setting the building on fire than letting the Indians do it.
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Atherton and nasser usually support Pakistan, ever wonder y these gentleman don’t find work in the ipl regularly? Neither does holding, so don’t hold these podcasts as some kind of support, even usually anti India people like peter lalor are not supporting Pakistan on this
 
cricketjoshila said:
Atherton and nasser usually support Pakistan, ever wonder y these gentleman don’t find work in the ipl regularly? Neither does holding, so don’t hold these podcasts as some kind of support, even usually anti India people like peter lalor are not supporting Pakistan on this
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Wasn't that in the podcast where Gideon Haigh mentioned that Jay Shah was an unqualified disaster? I guess people will clip up what suits them and make their point based on that.
 
Senior sports journalist Waheed Khan in his vlog after extensive discussions with senior ICC past and present officials, PCB and some sources in the BCCI, is concluding that the PCB's current show down with the ICC and BCCI has nothing to do with Bangladesh but instead has everything to do with a long standing resentment in the PCB that they are being grotesquely underpaid by the ICC especially given the massive value of the Indo Pak matches to the ICC coffers and to the other ICC member countries and therefore PCB should rightfully be placed at number 2 on the ICC table with 18-20% of the revenues especially since India does not play Pakistan billaterally.

Mohsin Naqvi is holding the ICC by its balls and is gambling that the PCB while striking when the Iron is hot will be able to make the ICC, BCCI and other ICC member states agree to their demands
 
None of these people - analysts, youtubers, etc. matter one bit. They are no different than fans on forums and social media in terms of their impact on the events. They earn eyeballs and money while fans carry their nationalism. People - the administrators - who are in the thick of the real happenings are the only ones that matter.
 
Savak said:
Senior sports journalist Waheed Khan in his vlog after extensive discussions with senior ICC past and present officials, PCB and some sources in the BCCI, is concluding that the PCB's current show down with the ICC and BCCI has nothing to do with Bangladesh but instead has everything to do with a long standing resentment in the PCB that they are being grotesquely underpaid by the ICC especially given the massive value of the Indo Pak matches to the ICC coffers and to the other ICC member countries and therefore PCB should rightfully be placed at number 2 on the ICC table with 18-20% of the revenues especially since India does not play Pakistan billaterally.

Mohsin Naqvi is holding the ICC by its balls and is gambling that the PCB while striking when the Iron is hot will be able to make the ICC, BCCI and other ICC member states agree to their demands
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Now that @zahid01 shared the article where Shahbaz Sharif said the decision to boycott was to show solidarity with Bangladesh, he totally diluted Pakistan’s position. Don’t they (Naqvi and Sharif) talk before commenting publicly? Now, unbeknownst to Naqvi, his own balls might be in the grinder with ICC having their hands on the switch. It appears - if this excuse remains true and consistent - that Pakistan will show up to play the game on the 15th. I also suspect Naqvi will carry his own grinder to Sharif’s office to return the favor.
 
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