How to become a Hindu

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Genuine question. If I don't live in India, but I like many Buddhist philosophies, how could I actually become a Hindu while still enjoying the taste of meat?

 

[happydavy]

Most Hindus éat meat including me. As the oldest religion in the world, Hinduism provides insights to recognize the universality and perenniality of the spiritual quest. It's not a commandment based religion, so you don't have to do anything in particular to become a Hindu. Unlike most other religions, which believe in judgement days, Hinduism believes in rebirth and focus on deeds more than religious practices. It says that the kind of deeds we do in this life, determine our fortunes in the next life. So it's not about doing anything in particular or following any commandments, Hinduism is more about belief system.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Genuine question. If I don't live in India, but I like many Buddhist philosophies, how could I actually become a Hindu while still enjoying the taste of meat?

Quite simple really,

Believe that all faiths lead to God,

Drop the fear mongering abhrahamic theory of believe in my God or you go to hell..


Eat whatever meat you want, that's all that is needed to be a Hindu...

 

[Bhaijaan]

You cannot. But you don’t have to either. Hindu culture does not forbid people to visit the temples or to participate in Hindu rituals as such. Yea you might have heard of stories here and there of some random city’s temple not allowing the so called backward castes to visit them etc but that’s down to the people who are controlling those temples. Overall in India, the places of worship remain open for all sects.

There’s no conversion drive. People are just born into Hindu families like i was, no one is asked to convert. There’s no such thing in Hinduism. The religion as such doesn’t call for worldwide spread. Hinduism is simply the original Indian culture.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You cannot. But you don’t have to either. Hindu culture does not forbid people to visit the temples or to participate in Hindu rituals as such. Yea you might have heard of stories here and there of some random city’s temple not allowing the so called backward castes to visit them etc but that’s down to the people who are controlling those temples. Overall in India, the places of worship remain open for all sects.

There’s no conversion drive. People are just born into Hindu families like i was, no one is asked to convert. There’s no such thing in Hinduism. The religion as such doesn’t call for worldwide spread. Hinduism is simply the original Indian culture.

This is something I find quite confusing. It may of course be simply down to the followers. Hindus always claim that they dont partake in conversions etc but they seem hell bent on stopping people converting to other faiths and use language about love Jihad and christian missionaries.

There seems to be an insecurity here that is quite similar to many muslims regarding leaving Islam.

Also as a question to not just you but hopefully benefits Cpt during his conversion.

Will eating meat etc increase the likelihood hood of Cpt being reincarnated as a rat or mouse? How can our dear Cpt and other interested posters ensure their reincarnation into a leading BJP family when they are reborn.

 

[Kroll]

Genuine question. If I don't live in India, but I like many Buddhist philosophies, how could I actually become a Hindu while still enjoying the taste of meat?

Would you not want to become a Buddhist? (They do eat meat)

 

[wasim-fan]

I don't think one can become a Hindu. It is a civilizational identity which has got its modern religious form in competitive market space of a religion. One could call it a way or life or accepting curtains ethos. And there are no DOs and DONTs prescribed. "Charvakas" or rationalists / atheists were also Hindu while beef easting north eastern and Nepal were also Hindus. Same applied to Indonesia, Vietnam or Cambodia. Modern day Bali has no dietary or other restrictions and is more Hindu than most places in the world.

I would say becoming a Hindu earns no privileges as other religions offer. It has a certain world view and guidance on how we understand life and beyond. If you are a student of life, one should read it. But its hard to do anything these days without being identified with it.

 

[Kroll]

What about those Hare Krishnas' that run about the town centre asking you to shout 'Gouranga' - Are they not on a conversion mission?

 

[topspin]

Visit your local temple I guess

 

[King Kong]

Simple. Believe that your good deeds lead you to good life after death and in rebirth. You don't have to believe in God, you don't have to go to temples, you don't have to celebrate festivals, you don't have to do any fasting for God. Just help people in need and believe in humanity.

You can still be an "Muslim" or "Christian", but if you believe in above, you are good to go.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Genuine question. If I don't live in India, but I like many Buddhist philosophies, how could I actually become a Hindu while still enjoying the taste of meat?

You can become Buddhist instead. I don't understand why you want to be a Hindu when its doctrines are pretty different from Buddhism

 

[wasim-fan]

What about those Hare Krishnas' that run about the town centre asking you to shout 'Gouranga' - Are they not on a conversion mission?

True. They are the only ones that have tried to replicate the conversion model. And they have been pretty successful in their way. But even when "converts" under Hare Krishna, one doesn't have to give up their religion. I know people from other religions who are part of this with a new name, but not converted.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This is something I find quite confusing. It may of course be simply down to the followers. Hindus always claim that they dont partake in conversions etc but they seem hell bent on stopping people converting to other faiths and use language about love Jihad and christian missionaries.

There seems to be an insecurity here that is quite similar to many muslims regarding leaving Islam.

Also as a question to not just you but hopefully benefits Cpt during his conversion.

Will eating meat etc increase the likelihood hood of Cpt being reincarnated as a rat or mouse? How can our dear Cpt and other interested posters ensure their reincarnation into a leading BJP family when they are reborn.

The demographic shift resulting from conversions has a direct impact on the political landscape of the nation which is the major reason why Hindus do not have a favourable opinion on conversions and in that regard they are no different than indigenous people in most other countries.

I’m not an expert to answer the second part of your question about reincarnations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You can become Buddhist instead. I don't understand why you want to be a Hindu when its doctrines are pretty different from Buddhism

But current day Hindu spokesmen claim Buddhism (and Sikh religon) are an off-shoot of Hinduism. Why would I want to be that when I could be the essence itself?

 

[Kroll]

But current day Hindu spokesmen claim Buddhism (and Sikh religon) are an off-shoot of Hinduism. Why would I want to be that when I could be the essence itself?

Well, that's all it is, a claim. I'm pretty sure Buddhism rejects Hinduism's formal rituals as well as the caste system.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Simple. Believe that your good deeds lead you to good life after death and in rebirth. You don't have to believe in God, you don't have to go to temples, you don't have to celebrate festivals, you don't have to do any fasting for God. Just help people in need and believe in humanity.

You can still be an "Muslim" or "Christian", but if you believe in above, you are good to go.

I am asking how I can become a Hindu. Not how to be a "Muslim' or 'Christian'.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

But current day Hindu spokesmen claim Buddhism (and Sikh religon) are an off-shoot of Hinduism. Why would I want to be that when I could be the essence itself?

Misguided belief. It's like many Muslims claiming that many prophets/teachers of other religions were actually Islamic prophets before their books were distorted over time.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hinduism doesn't seem to have any specific template. You can do whatever; that's the vibe I get.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Misguided belief. It's like many Muslims claiming that many prophets/teachers of other religions were actually Islamic prophets before their books were distorted over time.

I am not asking about Islamic prophets or what Muslims believe, I just want to know how to become a Hindu, specifically one who can eat cow meat (not buffalo) if I prefer it.

 

[Kroll]

Misguided belief. It's like many Muslims claiming that many prophets/teachers of other religions were actually Islamic prophets before their books were distorted over time.

This isn't the same thing, cos even if you take away the title 'Islamic' they are still revered or are central figures in these religions. Meaning that there is still belief in these figures but you can discern different ideologies from Buddhism and Hinduism.

 

[wasim-fan]

I am not asking about Islamic prophets or what Muslims believe, I just want to know how to become a Hindu, specifically one who can eat cow meat (not buffalo) if I prefer it.

You can go the local magistrate or prefecture inform on change of religion. Usually its a 3 page document with some appendix disclosure. You can change your religion to Hindu ( officially recognized as religion in UK ). They might ask for an affidavit. Viola, you are hindu. No christening process no name change. Simple bureaucratic documentation.

 

[Kroll]

I am not asking about Islamic prophets or what Muslims believe, I just want to know how to become a Hindu, specifically one who can eat cow meat (not buffalo) if I prefer it.

In that case you want to follow the brand of Hinduism from Kerala state in India. I think eating beef there is a speciality and not any sort of transgression.

 

[SalimBhai]

Genuine question. If I don't live in India, but I like many Buddhist philosophies, how could I actually become a Hindu while still enjoying the taste of meat?

Hinduism and Buddhism are not the same

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Quite simple really,

Believe that all faiths lead to God,

Drop the fear mongering abhrahamic theory of believe in my God or you go to hell..


Eat whatever meat you want, that's all that is needed to be a Hindu...

Arent these two underlined words in conflict to each other?
Plus, how do you fit the monkey god, the elephant god and the cow and snake into the mix?

 

[SalimBhai]

Arent these two underlined words in conflict to each other?
Plus, how do you fit the monkey god, the elephant god and the cow and snake into the mix?

Yes. Only from point of view of Abrahamic faiths. Hindu point of view there is no difference

 

[Champ_Pal]

There is no Shahada or Baptism ritual to become a Hindu. You do not have to change your name or dietary habits. There are no rules.

You pray to any God you wish and believe that all paths lead to salvation. You can read Vedas and Gita and understand their essence. Celebrate the victory of Good over evil (Diwali and Navratri).

Sanatana Dharma is an inclusive culture. It is just an amalgamation of all Indian cultures. Don't fall into the trap of Brahmanical Hinduism. That is less than 1400 years old. Sanatana Dharma is thousands of years old.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You can go the local magistrate or prefecture inform on change of religion. Usually its a 3 page document with some appendix disclosure. You can change your religion to Hindu ( officially recognized as religion in UK ). They might ask for an affidavit. Viola, you are hindu. No christening process no name change. Simple bureaucratic documentation.

Thank you my Pakistani flagged friend, but I am not asking about British laws, but actual Hindu faith which would be accepted in the land of Hindustan itself. Step aside fella and let the PP members of Hindu faith give advice from the source.

Apologies if you are actually a Hindu, in which case please advise and I will certainly accept further instruction.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Arent these two underlined words in conflict to each other?
Plus, how do you fit the monkey god, the elephant god and the cow and snake into the mix?

Hanuman is not a Monkey. They are a group of people from the state of Karnataka with Monkey on their flag.
Ganesh is not an elephant. He is just a human with an elephant head.
Cow is not God. It is a sacred animal as it is a multi purpose one.
Snake is not a God. It is revered like Cow for its usefulness.
All useful animals are given divine status. That is the only way they will not get killed by humans.

To get a clear picture of Indian epics or stories, you have to also take a look at Buddhism and Jainism. They have mentions of Lord Rama and Ramayana. Don't just go by the Brahminical view. They wrote the epics from their point of view with nice masala in it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In that case you want to follow the brand of Hinduism from Kerala state in India. I think eating beef there is a speciality and not any sort of transgression.

Is the beef eaten in Kerala cow or buffalo? I only ask because this has been distinguished by Indians on this forum specifically a few times.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There is no Shahada or Baptism ritual to become a Hindu. You do not have to change your name or dietary habits. There are no rules.

You pray to any God you wish and believe that all paths lead to salvation. You can read Vedas and Gita and understand their essence. Celebrate the victory of Good over evil (Diwali and Navratri).

Sanatana Dharma is an inclusive culture. It is just an amalgamation of all Indian cultures. Don't fall into the trap of Brahmanical Hinduism. That is less than 1400 years old. Sanatana Dharma is thousands of years old.

Can you truly follow Sanatana Dharma while living in the west?

The philosophy seems deeply rooted and bound by geography, especially if as you say it is an amalgamation of all Indian cultures.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no Shahada or Baptism ritual to become a Hindu. You do not have to change your name or dietary habits. There are no rules.

You pray to any God you wish and believe that all paths lead to salvation. You can read Vedas and Gita and understand their essence. Celebrate the victory of Good over evil (Diwali and Navratri).

Sanatana Dharma is an inclusive culture. It is just an amalgamation of all Indian cultures. Don't fall into the trap of Brahmanical Hinduism. That is less than 1400 years old. Sanatana Dharma is thousands of years old.

Surely then Brahmanical Hinduism should also be included as part of Hindu faith?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Surely then Brahmanical Hinduism should also be included as part of Hindu faith?

It is. But there is choice whether to follow it or not. Brahmins gave themselves special privileges in Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. They also put severe restrictions on themselves like not owning lands or doing secular jobs. They are supposed to beg for food. Whatever people donate, they have to sustain on it. Of course, no one follows it now. Thankfully.

 

[ex-q-zit]

I am not asking about Islamic prophets or what Muslims believe, I just want to know how to become a Hindu, specifically one who can eat cow meat (not buffalo) if I prefer it.

Well, I dont believe in concept og God but culturally nI am hindu as I see it bas way of life. I eat beef too. It is not wr itten in hindu scriptures the we cannot eat meat or beven beef.

There is no formal process to "convert" to hindu. But nothing stops you from living lik a hindu as it doesn't have any strict rules bound by a book. You can still go to masjid, church as well as temple. Can eat whatever you want.

But if you still are hellbent on converting then maybe go to any temple and get a namakaran ceremony done and chnage your name and take on any gotra that you like. If you know what caste your forefathers were you can cary with it or you can shun it like many hindus do in India.

 

[Kroll]

Is the beef eaten in Kerala cow or buffalo? I only ask because this has been distinguished by Indians on this forum specifically a few times.

Its a good point, you can get both given that Kerala is one of the few states in India that doesn't ban cow slaughter. But like you said for that other guy, best for an expert on the ground to confirm or provide an eye witness account.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Is the beef eaten in Kerala cow or buffalo? I only ask because this has been distinguished by Indians on this forum specifically a few times.

In India beef eaten are buffolos. Cow slaughter in banned in India as far as I know. But still the Sanghi idiots think beef means on ly cow.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well, I dont believe in concept og God but culturally nI am hindu as I see it bas way of life. I eat beef too. It is not wr itten in hindu scriptures the we cannot eat meat or beven beef.

There is no formal process to "convert" to hindu. But nothing stops you from living lik a hindu as it doesn't have any strict rules bound by a book. You can still go to masjid, church as well as temple. Can eat whatever you want.

But if you still are hellbent on converting then maybe go to any temple and get a namakaran ceremony done and chnage your name and take on any gotra that you like. If you know what caste your forefathers were you can cary with it or you can shun it like many hindus do in India.

What does the namakaran ceromony involve?

@ Cpt.Rishwat what would your new name be?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Yes. Only from point of view of Abrahamic faiths. Hindu point of view there is no difference

I don't think you got the point.

From the POV of Hindu faith, he said, "that all faiths lead to God."

Did you notice that Abrahamic belief is also a "faith"?

So technically, Abrahamic faith should also lead to God, from a Hindu standpoint. No?

Or he is saying that half of world's population is astray from the Hindu Stand point?

Also, if all faiths lead to God, where do Atheists stand in the Hindu belief? Atheists don't have a faith, so they don't lead to God. Where do they go then?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Quite simple really,

Believe that all faiths lead to God,

Drop the fear mongering abhrahamic theory of believe in my God or you go to hell..


Eat whatever meat you want, that's all that is needed to be a Hindu...

You said the "fear mongering Abrahamic theory"

Is there no concept of hell in Hinduism? If yes there is hell in Hinduism, then looks like there is a "fear mongering" concept in Hinduism as well.

If not, what is Narg and Swarg?

 

[RexRex]

Also, if all faiths lead to God, where do Atheists stand in the Hindu belief? Atheists don't have a faith, so they don't lead to God. Where do they go then?

I suppose sanātana logic would dictate that atheists will get fire-burnt in some sort of inclusive hell. I am not sure what Hindu scriptures say on this but the whole point of a God if he does exist, is you have to acknowledge him at some point in your life.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I suppose sanātana logic would dictate that atheists will get fire-burnt in some sort of inclusive hell. I am not sure what Hindu scriptures say on this but the whole point of a God if he does exist, is you have to acknowledge him at some point in your life.

From Romali Roti’s explanation, it seems that the believers of Abrahamic faiths (half of world’s population) is also going to burn in hell.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You said the "fear mongering Abrahamic theory"

Is there no concept of hell in Hinduism? If yes there is hell in Hinduism, then looks like there is a "fear mongering" concept in Hinduism as well.

If not, what is Narg and Swarg?

There is no Swarg and Narak in original Sanatana Dharma. I feel, they are copied from Abrahamic faiths. Most of the Hindu scriptures are written post 800 AD. They already had contact with Islam.

YamRaj was never supposed to be the lord of hell. Those who do good deeds will not be reincarnated. They will become one with Brahman(Supreme being or spirit). Those who sin will be born again as a lower form or again as a human being depending on the sins they committed.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Quite simple really,

Believe that all faiths lead to God,

Drop the fear mongering abhrahamic theory of believe in my God or you go to hell..


Eat whatever meat you want, that's all that is needed to be a Hindu...

Well said.
I followed Christianity more than 15 years because I was raised by my grandma who is converted Christian.
Rest of all family members are Hindus , but not religious.
No one restricted me.



Now I am practising Hinduism since last 10 years.
Learning many things.. ��

 

[Romali_rotti]

Arent these two underlined words in conflict to each other?
Plus, how do you fit the monkey god, the elephant god and the cow and snake into the mix?

He is talking about being a Hindu, not about which demi god he should worship.

Who to worship will be determined when he learns about Hinduism.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You said the "fear mongering Abrahamic theory"

Is there no concept of hell in Hinduism? If yes there is hell in Hinduism, then looks like there is a "fear mongering" concept in Hinduism as well.

If not, what is Narg and Swarg?

The Hinduism I believe, tells me that the ultimate goal in life is getting 'Moksha' aka Salvation, where the soul does not take a physical form ever.

This can only be achieved by eliminating the Karmic debt I have, the more Karmic debt, the more times my soul will take rebirth in order to pay it off..

So I do not believe in a heaven or hell theory and I do not go around scaring people, by telling them, if they did not believe in my god, they go to Hell.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Help us learn bro.

You mentioned Abrahamic faiths fear etc.

Please explain justice in Hinduism?

Ie. A man kills 1 million, does he face justice after death or is he re-born as a snake etc?

If you kill someone, it will become a karmic debt, he make take rebirth as an animal, a human, a plant and may have to take a physical form a lot of times (lives) to pay that debt off. Those physical forms he/she takes to repay the karmic debt for the murder may be terrible lives, where he is born in poverty, struggling in life various ways, animal that get's slaughtered etc.

Taking a physical form is not what the soul desires, it wants to be free from the physical form brother, per my beliefs.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The Hinduism I believe, tells me that the ultimate goal in life is getting 'Moksha' aka Salvation, where the soul does not take a physical form ever.

This can only be achieved by eliminating the Karmic debt I have, the more Karmic debt, the more times my soul will take rebirth in order to pay it off..

So I do not believe in a heaven or hell theory and I do not go around scaring people, by telling them, if they did not believe in my god, they go to Hell.

Fair enough!
And I don’t have an issue with your “personal belief”.

We are talking about Hindu Theology.

What are the roots of these terms “narg and swarg”?
You may not believe in it, that’s fine, but what do these mean in Hindu theology?

And if your faith is karmic debt, then what does Hindu faith tell you about non-Hindus? What happens to them differently from what happens to a Hindu after death?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no Swarg and Narak in original Sanatana Dharma. I feel, they are copied from Abrahamic faiths. Most of the Hindu scriptures are written post 800 AD. They already had contact with Islam.

YamRaj was never supposed to be the lord of hell. Those who do good deeds will not be reincarnated. They will become one with Brahman(Supreme being or spirit). Those who sin will be born again as a lower form or again as a human being depending on the sins they committed.

You say "copied from Abrahamic faith" but surely a better description from an all inclusive view would be adopted? Like if caste distinction is realy a bad thing, then a Hindu in previouse eras would adopt the teachings brought by Abrahamic faiths in at least that aspect.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thanks

I might also become a Hindu now.

I can form a gang, rob, loot, kill to live a rich a mega rich life , knowing the worst in return will be born again into another body. If its human, Ill do it again...and again....

It makes no logical sense to me but it might to others.

Well I actually like Rotti's answer and also the guy posting as Champ Pal currently. I do understand the conept of reincarnation according to a former life, but that also ties in to feeling disgust for the lower lives, and would explain why the caste system still prevails in India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hear you brother.

You can live a sinless life believing in another god or higher form, but if you do not believe in the Abhrahamic god, that person goes to hell.

Makes zero sense to me either but might to others..

Not true at all.

If you reject God once you have been given the message, are able to understand but due to your arrogance or desires ignore what you know is the truth, only then its a sin.

Hell is mainly for justice and its not literal acc to many.

Id rather believe in a God who will do justice to say someone who kills, rapes, tortures innocent people than a 'God' who will allow the evil person to be born again and do it all over again.. This isnt God imo.

Next question. How many Gods in Hinduism and who will decide if I am born again as a human or an ant?

 

[RexRex]

Those physical forms he/she takes to repay the karmic debt for the murder may be terrible lives, where he is born in poverty, struggling in life various ways, animal that get's slaughtered etc.

But that is a terrible way to look at human beings where their financial situation is tied to their celestial karma. Is this not why the caste system and poverty has endured for centuries in India ?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Thanks

I might also become a Hindu now.

I can form a gang, rob, loot, kill to live a rich a mega rich life , knowing the worst in return will be born again into another body. If its human, Ill do it again...and again....

It makes no logical sense to me but it might to others.

It makes zero sense to me too that a person who kills, murders and rapes will get nothing in this life, but will burn in hell fires after he dies (apparently no one has ever seen it). Apparently justice is served. Makes no sense to me as no one has ever seen it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

But that is a terrible way to look at human beings where their financial situation is tied to their celestial karma. Is this not why the caste system and poverty has endured for centuries in India ?

I understand your point. But there is no justification for misery. Life is not fair. Human minds tries to find rationality and justification for the cruelty life faces.

 

[SalimBhai]

Looks like one fairy tale vs another fairy tale. With zero evidence to support either claim. But to each his own I guess

 

[KingKhanWC]

He may be born as a human too, but with severe difficulties in life. You pay for your bad karma. A similar concept in Buddhism.

Ill take that because I can just kill myself again and see what the next form is.

It makes zero sense to me too that a person who kills, murders and rapes will get nothing in this life, but will burn in hell fires after he dies (apparently no one has ever seen it). Apparently justice is served. Makes no sense to me as no one has ever seen it.

Not true.

A request to Hindu posters, unless you have studied Islam, please dont tell us about it, ask questions as we are asking about Hinduism.

Justice is also served while alive through many forms inc illness, loss of wealth, etc depending on what God feels is correct. The point was if a man kills , murders ,rapes a million people on Earth no punishment could be justice , hence why there is hell.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Not true at all.

If you reject God once you have been given the message, are able to understand but due to your arrogance or desires ignore what you know is the truth, only then its a sin.

I have heard the Abrahamic message and I rejected it because it does not awake the spirituality within me, if I lived a sinless but I still go to hell because I rejected the Abrahamic faith makes zero sense to me.

At the end of the day, whichever you are happy and in peace with you should stick to.

No religion has given any scientific proof, we could all be wrong or some could be wrong or we all could be right in different ways. So best to leave each other to the belief system you are happy with.

 

[RexRex]

I understand your point. But there is no justification for misery. Life is not fair. Human minds tries to find rationality and justification for the cruelty life faces.

True, life is unfair and all countries have poor/miserable people .. but when you have the added religious justification of why someone is in poverty (which is that he deserves it), then society won't be bothered to engage in an institutional upliftment of the poor sections of the population.

Or am I reading too much into this concept of reincarnation ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well I actually like Rotti's answer and also the guy posting as Champ Pal currently. I do understand the conept of reincarnation according to a former life, but that also ties in to feeling disgust for the lower lives, and would explain why the caste system still prevails in India.

~Fair point.

If someone is born in a lower caste, this logic would mean he/she was a bad person in a previous life when in reality the person may not have ever harmed a fly! Hence the caste system and abuse against those people for no reason imo. Also why not kill certain animals, as they were humans who were bad people? Instead certain animals such as rats are worshiped. Re-incarnation is the most illogical theory out there.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have heard the Abrahamic message and I rejected it because it does not awake the spirituality within me, if I lived a sinless but I still go to hell because I rejected the Abrahamic faith makes zero sense to me.

At the end of the day, whichever you are happy and in peace with you should stick to.

No religion has given any scientific proof, we could all be wrong or some could be wrong or we all could be right in different ways. So best to leave each other to the belief system you are happy with.

If you reject the truth its a sin and what is sinless to you such as discriminating against a lower caste dalit is a sin to others.

If there was ultimate proof everyone would believe, faith wouldnt be needed, there would be no point of us being here.

But yes Ive always respected others , do what pleases you and makes you happy but of course we have a right to disagree on various logics in faiths.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He may be born as a human too, but with severe difficulties in life. You pay for your bad karma. A similar concept in Buddhism.

Really? I thought Buddha rejected Hindu beliefs and that is the only reason a new belief called Biddhism was born?

Wasn't that also true with the Sikhs?

 

[Romali_rotti]

~Fair point.

If someone is born in a lower caste, this logic would mean he/she was a bad person in a previous life when in reality the person may not have ever harmed a fly! H.

Caste is purely human made, it has nothing to do with gods or religion.

Nowhere in Hinduism does it separate people by Caste as far as I know.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Caste is purely human made, it has nothing to do with gods or religion.

Nowhere in Hinduism does it separate people by Caste as far as I know.

Glad to hear it bro.

Its a very bad misconception then. When did caste system come in Hinduism? Why is it still prevailing? I know these are detailed questions but a brief answer will be also be appreciated. Only when we understand each others faiths, we can get to know each other better.

 

[Local.Dada]

Interesting thought but I don’t know if a cricket forum would be a place to start looking for such deep theological ideas.

I will try my best to provide guidance

Approach 1: Step out of the house.

There is a pretty big Hindu community in UK. Step out of where you live. Read the news paper, even your PM is a Hindu so that’s proof there is a big enough populace. Things have changed. UK is more diverse would you believe that? You can check with a local priest in a local temple maybe .


Approach 2: Google

A very useful resource. I wouldn’t believe everything you read here but as the kids these days say DYOR (do your own research) and use your own judgement. Hope you have access to this wonder resource.

Good luck.

 

[PakLFC]

Really? I thought Buddha rejected Hindu beliefs and that is the only reason a new belief called Biddhism was born?

Wasn't that also true with the Sikhs?

Absolutely. Nanakji and Buddha both rejected Hinduism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Interesting thought but I don’t know if a cricket forum would be a place to start looking for such deep theological ideas.

I will try my best to provide guidance

Approach 1: Step out of the house.

There is a pretty big Hindu community in UK. Step out of where you live. Read the news paper, even your PM is a Hindu so that’s proof there is a big enough populace. Things have changed. UK is more diverse would you believe that? You can check with a local priest in a local temple maybe .


Approach 2: Google

A very useful resource. I wouldn’t believe everything you read here but as the kids these days say DYOR (do your own research) and use your own judgement. Hope you have access to this wonder resource.

Good luck.

1. You claim to be an atheist but are overly defensive of Hinduism on a regular basis?

2. Rishi is as much as a Hindu as Cpt.Rishwat is atm. Nobody takes him seriously as a PM, he has the lowest approval rate in recent history. There are many practicising Hindus but also many varying views. Which one to believe?

 

[KingKhanWC]

It doesn't have to do with atheism but the fact that Zakir Naik is a fugitive who's fled the law in India. I think he was banned from public speaking in Malaysia too.

As for Cpt, he should explain why he no longer finds Islam appealing that he seeks solace in Hinduism.

lol. Nobody takes the Indian justice system seriously. Im no huge fan of Naik but its was politically motivated.

Lets get back to the topic, Hinduism.

Are you a Hindu again or still remain an atheist and if so why did YOU no longer find Hinduism appealing? To save Cpt another wasted effort.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Interesting thought but I don’t know if a cricket forum would be a place to start looking for such deep theological ideas.

I will try my best to provide guidance

Approach 1: Step out of the house.

There is a pretty big Hindu community in UK. Step out of where you live. Read the news paper, even your PM is a Hindu so that’s proof there is a big enough populace. Things have changed. UK is more diverse would you believe that? You can check with a local priest in a local temple maybe .


Approach 2: Google

A very useful resource. I wouldn’t believe everything you read here but as the kids these days say DYOR (do your own research) and use your own judgement. Hope you have access to this wonder resource.

Good luck.

This isn't the cricket forum, but now you have stepped in maybe you can advise . How could I become a Hindu?

 

[sweep_shot]

Interesting thought but I don’t know if a cricket forum would be a place to start looking for such deep theological ideas.

I will try my best to provide guidance

Approach 1: Step out of the house.

There is a pretty big Hindu community in UK. Step out of where you live. Read the news paper, even your PM is a Hindu so that’s proof there is a big enough populace. Things have changed. UK is more diverse would you believe that? You can check with a local priest in a local temple maybe .


Approach 2: Google

A very useful resource. I wouldn’t believe everything you read here but as the kids these days say DYOR (do your own research) and use your own judgement. Hope you have access to this wonder resource.

Good luck.

Why don't you tell us the process?

Seems like you yourself don't know the process.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Really? I thought Buddha rejected Hindu beliefs and that is the only reason a new belief called Biddhism was born?

Wasn't that also true with the Sikhs?

There was no Hinduism (as we know today) during Buddha's time. There were various cults. They all shared commonalities. The caste system always existed in India. But it was fluid. Humans were categorized based on their abilities. A person born as a Shudra can become a Brahmin and a person born as a Brahmin can become Kshatriya etc. Around 7th century, Manu Smriti only codified the existing caste system and made the fluidity rigid. Caste was assigned based on their birth.

Sikhism rejected Hindu caste system which was pretty rigid by 16th century.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Really? I thought Buddha rejected Hindu beliefs and that is the only reason a new belief called Biddhism was born?

Wasn't that also true with the Sikhs?

There was no Hinduism (as we know today) during Buddha's time. There were various cults. They all shared commonalities. The caste system always existed in India. But it was fluid. Humans were categorized based on their abilities. A person born as a Shudra can become a Brahmin and a person born as a Brahmin can become Kshatriya etc. Around 7th century, Manu Smriti only codified the existing caste system and made the fluidity rigid. Caste was assigned based on their birth.

Sikhism rejected Hindu caste system which was pretty rigid by 16th century.

 

[PakLFC]

Nanak rejected idol worship too where as Buddha was mostly against the Hindu caste system and sati practice that existed during his time. That is why they left Hinduism even though Nanak's parents were Hindu the great man rejected much of Hindu philosophy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nanak rejected idol worship too where as Buddha was mostly against the Hindu caste system and sati practice that existed during his time. That is why they left Hinduism even though Nanak's parents were Hindu the great man totally rejected Hindu philosophy.

Can you show where Buddha rejected Hindu Caste system? As far as I know, Sati Practice was not there during Buddha's time.

 

[PakLFC]

Can you show where Buddha rejected Hindu Caste system? As far as I know, Sati Practice was not there during Buddha's time.

Buddhists believe all people are equal even though they reject the belief in any God. If anything sati existed during Buddha's time, not now,

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If you kill someone, it will become a karmic debt, he make take rebirth as an animal, a human, a plant and may have to take a physical form a lot of times (lives) to pay that debt off. Those physical forms he/she takes to repay the karmic debt for the murder may be terrible lives, where he is born in poverty, struggling in life various ways, animal that get's slaughtered etc.

Taking a physical form is not what the soul desires, it wants to be free from the physical form brother, per my beliefs.

OK, so if reincarnation is the way things work in nature, then why is Human population growing so much?

Are more and more animals doing good deeds and becoming humans ?

If not, how are new humans introduced in the reincarnation cycle? What did these new humans do in their previous lives that they are now sent back in human form in such high numbers?

 

[Romali_rotti]

OK, so if reincarnation is the way things work in nature, then why is Human population growing so much?

Are more and more animals doing good deeds and becoming humans ?

If not, how are new humans introduced in the reincarnation cycle? What did these new humans do in their previous lives that they are now sent back in human form in such high numbers?

Great question.

Let me die first, I will try and get back to you after I leave my physical form.

Hopefully my soul can strike a deal with one of the higher powers so they will be kind enough to allow me to contact you and explain how things work..

Bear with me...

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Great question.

Let me die first, I will try and get back to you after I leave my physical form.

Hopefully my soul can strike a deal with one of the higher powers so they will be kind enough to allow me to contact you and explain how things work..

Bear with me...

I think it’s more of a “logical” question rather than a “great” question.

But yes, I agree that regardless of category of the knowledge and regardless of our intelligence level, we will NEVER know EVERYTHING.


who is the first Human in Hindu mythology?
Probably, your faith doesn’t answer that either?

 

[uppercut]

Thank you my Pakistani flagged friend, but I am not asking about British laws, but actual Hindu faith which would be accepted in the land of Hindustan itself. Step aside fella and let the PP members of Hindu faith give advice from the source.

Apologies if you are actually a Hindu, in which case please advise and I will certainly accept further instruction.

Believe it or not .... nobody gives a toss whether you have gone through some religious process/ceremony. You tell you are a Hindu and they will take your word for it. Nobody will stop you and ask you a certificate even to visit the most sacred Hindu temples. They are open for everyone. Hinduism is not a proselytizing religion therefore there is no such thing as equivalent to say a Baptism in Hinduism. Different matter if you want to actually practices its teachings.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Th goal of Hinduism is Moksha. "Liberation" from maya and realising our true self. Saccidānanda (ruth, consciousness, bliss) - the subjective experience of the ultimate reality. If anyone is striving towards this they are already Hindu.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Buddhists believe all people are equal even though they reject the belief in any God. If anything sati existed during Buddha's time, not now,

Show me the evidence of Sati during Buddha’s time?
Sati is mentioned in Shiv Purana. Written after 10th century AD. Buddha’s time is 500BC.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Th goal of Hinduism is Moksha. "Liberation" from maya and realising our true self. Saccidānanda (ruth, consciousness, bliss) - the subjective experience of the ultimate reality. If anyone is striving towards this they are already Hindu.

Which again, defies all logic.
If we go by your theory, then it seems like no human is actually achieving this "Moksha" thingy, when we look at the explosive growth in the world population.
Ideally, human population should've been decrease as folks would achieve Moksha and never return to earth, but instead we have gone from 1 to 8 Billion. OR perhaps way, way WAAYY too many animals are achieving some sorta salvation by doing a good deed and becoming a human? How does a snail do a good deed to become a human, by the way?

 

[IndoorCricket]

Which again, defies all logic.
If we go by your theory, then it seems like no human is actually achieving this "Moksha" thingy, when we look at the explosive growth in the world population.
Ideally, human population should've been decrease as folks would achieve Moksha and never return to earth, but instead we have gone from 1 to 8 Billion. OR perhaps way, way WAAYY too many animals are achieving some sorta salvation by doing a good deed and becoming a human? How does a snail do a good deed to become a human, by the way?

Moksha doesn't mean you go somewhere else. Once you attain moksha you can now clearly see what is real and whats not. In its epistemological and psychological senses, moksha is freedom from ignorance: self-realization, self-actualization and self-knowledge (Wiki). I would add self-transcendance.

No one said it is easy. It just requires one moment for awakening but it takes lifetimes of work to remove conditioning to come to that moment. I will not call it theory because you can actually experience this bliss state. I have many encounters with many great teachers and sages who are in this trance bliss like state. And I was fortunate enough to have a peak at this state once in my life.

The good service/ deeds you are talking about is called called Karma Yoga. It's the the yoga of action and selfless service. Its a yoga which is applied to human beings. There is law of karma and karma yoga. You do karma yoga to slowly burn/ tame your ego. According to Gita,

Those who see action in inaction and inaction in action are truly wise amongst humans. Although performing all kinds of actions, they are yogis and masters of all their actions.