How to make Pakistan better?

[Syed1]

Let's cut to the chase, no matter how patriotic you are you cannot ignore the fact that our motherland is one of the most unlivable places in the world. What, in your opinion, needs to happen for Pakistan to stand on her own two feet and achieve all that was envisioned by Allama Iqbal and the Quaid?

Pretty sure having bearded religious extremists march down Islamabad is the exact opposite of what Mr. Jinnah would have wanted and based on the events of the last few days he must be rolling around in his grave.

 

[Pakistanian]

The state needs to modernize the country by force, like what Ataturk and Stalin did but without the violence of course. Radical change is gonna need radical measures. If you wanna take on the mullahs then you gotta outrage them, shove everything that makes them burn, in their face. I call it shock therapy.

 

[Syed1]

The state needs to modernize the country by force, like what Ataturk and Stalin did but without the violence of course. Radical change is gonna need radical measures. If you wanna take on the mullahs then you gotta outrage them, shove everything that makes them burn, in their face. I call it shock therapy.

That would lead to too much bloodshed, also overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are fairly religious Muslims. Even though they may not agree with all what these mullahs do but they do have a soft corner for them. What happens if the mullahs win and we have Iran like situation in Pakistan.

 

[LegendInzi]

Army needs to be reined in.

 

[Syed1]

Army needs to be reined in.

Politicians specially the likes of Nawaz that your kind worships (nausabillah) need to be shown the wrong end of a gun first.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Remove the Government. Two things are needed to run a nation, patriotism and religiosity. Luckily we in India have a government which is both Patriotic and Religious. In Pakistan only the awaam and the army are patriotic and religious, but not the government.

 

[Syed1]

Remove the Government. Two things are needed to run a nation, patriotism and religiosity. Luckily we in India have a government which is both Patriotic and Religious. In Pakistan only the awaam and the army are patriotic and religious, but not the government.

I thought India prided itself on its secular nature

 

[LegendInzi]

Politicians specially the likes of Nawaz that your kind worships (nausabillah) need to be shown the wrong end of a gun first.

Are you thick or what? Understand this: being critical of army does not equate to having love for politicians like Nawaz et al.

 

[ManFan]

1) Not give army power to dictate politics.
2) House arrest all muftis, mullahs, peers, etc.
3) Eradicate education system ( English medium and Urdu medium nonsense ) and build it with which one is able to question both this world and their beliefs. Make students proficient in Western sciences and Eastern philosophies. Make it free until graduate school by taxing 15% of the wealthy. Shut it down for one year at start and force the educated to educate the illiterate.
4) Establish a political electoral system like Iran which is itself based on Hazrat Umar RA.
5) Take full control of Gwadar Port.
6) Stop kneeling to foreign tunes.
7) Establish universal health-care.
8) Place full Sharia Law.
9) Ban TV Dramas that have brainwashed people into thinking their lives are a film reel.
10) Set up a rigid workforce that ideals itself on ethics more than performance.

 

[Saeed]

By stopping the educated Pakistanis from moving to other countries. Britain is better because we didn’t run away from our problems. So it’s better if educated Pakistanis used their skills in Pakistan.

 

[humzy]

Create a generation of educated and rational kids, watch the country change within a few decades after.

 

[sjahmed23]

Control population. If there is one thing that Pakistan needs to take from China is how to strengthen government by uniform state policies which forces people to make better decisions. Enough of this democracy topi drama it can never work in a place like Pakistan where no one things about the big picture.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

1) Not give army power to dictate politics.
2) House arrest all muftis, mullahs, peers, etc.
3) Eradicate education system ( English medium and Urdu medium nonsense ) and build it with which one is able to question both this world and their beliefs. Make students proficient in Western sciences and Eastern philosophies. Make it free until graduate school by taxing 15% of the wealthy. Shut it down for one year at start and force the educated to educate the illiterate.
4) Establish a political electoral system like Iran which is itself based on Hazrat Umar RA.
5) Take full control of Gwadar Port.
6) Stop kneeling to foreign tunes.
7) Establish universal health-care.
8) Place full Sharia Law.
9) Ban TV Dramas that have brainwashed people into thinking their lives are a film reel.
10) Set up a rigid workforce that ideals itself on ethics more than performance.

Yes let us all go back to the Zia era by banning TV dramas and films..

 

[Syed1]

1) Not give army power to dictate politics.
2) House arrest all muftis, mullahs, peers, etc.
3) Eradicate education system ( English medium and Urdu medium nonsense ) and build it with which one is able to question both this world and their beliefs. Make students proficient in Western sciences and Eastern philosophies. Make it free until graduate school by taxing 15% of the wealthy. Shut it down for one year at start and force the educated to educate the illiterate.
4) Establish a political electoral system like Iran which is itself based on Hazrat Umar RA.
5) Take full control of Gwadar Port.
6) Stop kneeling to foreign tunes.
7) Establish universal health-care.
8) Place full Sharia Law.
9) Ban TV Dramas that have brainwashed people into thinking their lives are a film reel.
10) Set up a rigid workforce that ideals itself on ethics more than performance.

I hope we do the exact opposite of this. Except for 1, 2, 6 and 7.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Yes let us all go back to the Zia era by banning TV dramas and films..

lol just had a good laugh at this comment!!!
Yes do we want to take Pakistan 10 steps back ?

Some points to improve would be

Elect better leaders (moot point but one can hope) Decide between leaders that believe in promoting religious intolerance or better economic development.

Invest in youth and better education

Promote more tourism which leads to more foreigners visiting which in turn opens up more investment

Ensure the right deals are negotiated for cpec which ensure Pakistan is getting value and not the other way around where the Chinese are just sucking Pakistan raw materials out for its own gain.

Stop the flow of refugees from Afghanistan into the country. This has hurt Pakistan big time.

Better relationship with India where there is mutual economic trade which leads to everyone winning.

 

[yasir]

Unfortunately Country is not a Cricket team that can click if 2/3 players start performing and you can win the tournament from nowhere

Investing is culture is vital for long term success, Pakistan has lot of cultural baggage, almost all of our cultural investments have gone bad, its very difficult to change is completely and go in opposite direction, first you don't have assets and expertise to do so...Sort of what happen to Nokia when Apple came, for 15-20 years Nokia's success was based on hardware, they did not invested in software, Apple came in as a Software company and change the entire industry...

Pakistan in last 40 years, starting from Mr Bhutto back in 70s has heavily invested in religion as source of inspiration and patriotism, we did not invest in creating diverse culture, we have only one form of culture that is inline with our National Security first Vision in last 40 years. You don't have any pocket of liberal/progressive culture, there are no pockets of intellectual/Scientist/Artist/Scholars anywhere in the country. Although we have abundant of Mulivs, Extremist...We are in situation of all eggs in one basket, since we have no where to go, we are putting more eggs in the same basket...This is classical example of how companies get bankrupt, because they are not willing to change...

What companies do in this regard at times, is company within a company, Silicon Valley was kind of formed on counter cultural and its keep having those labs of counter culture, that helped them keep innovating and not sit back and relax... That's why in US, you can find the dumbest and most conservative Americans and the most progressive ones at the same time, who live in two entirely different world...That diversity has helped US to keep innovative, conservatives are not really allowed to dominate progressive sectors of society, they had left so far behind that we had just experience Trump revolution, which I still believe is a blip in the path not the norm down the road...

I don't think, this Danda Mantra(which many are suggesting here) is the solution, forcing people to change is not the way to go, people will not change...What could be lot more useful is that counter culture should be allowed to develop, rather than micro mange everybody else to be just like you...That's how West has developed better than east, that's also the essence of Democracy, to have diverse culture, let them compete like free market economy, better culture will win and its not just one time win, you keep on competing and improving...Problem happens when we try to force things on everybody, free person is a happy person, they will find their way, let them experience and develop...Whole purpose of being Human is to be free!!!

 

[Syed1]

My 2 cents:

1. Universal health care cards. Government takes care of your medical needs upto expense of 200,000.

2. Free education upto to undergrad (nominal fees at undergrad level). Curriculum redeveloped with focus on STEM education.

3. Strengthen judicial system. Lower courts time bound to resolve majority of cases within six months. SC encouraged to utilize suo moto powers to the max.

4. Police made completely independent, corruption eliminated. Police should serve and protect the people not harrass or scare.

5. Annual audit of all members of parliament by independent auditing agencies. Anyone found to have assets/wealth more than declared income immediately de-seated and criminal proceedings started.

6. SC judges and all Generals to declare income, assets and wealth. Independent auditing of bank accounts annually. Those with wealth beyond means immediately disbarred/court-martialled and criminal proceedings initiated.

7. Maximum two terms for Prime Minister. One person can only run from one seat and there will be a cap on how much a candidate can spend on elections. Biometric election machines to prevent chance of dhandli.

8. Minister of Defense and Minister of Interior to co-chair corps commaders meeting that is currently held every month. COAS to brief parliament every month on defense and security matters and face questioning from members of parliament. Rangers made a civilian armed force under the Minister of Interior and under no circumstance take orders from COAS. Rangers responsible for internal security, anti-terrorism, relief efforts etc. Armed forces responsible for border and beyond. All spy agencies clumped together under ISI. The office of DG ISI abolished. Parliament to recommend 4-5 names to PM for head of ISI and PM to pick head after vetting all names.

9. Punjab split into three provinces. FATA merged into KPK. Divisions of KPK, Baluchistan and Sindh into two or three provinces each.

10. Local body system with all development through local bodies. Power taken to the grass-roots.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Create a generation of educated and rational kids, watch the country change within a few decades after.

The educated and rational kids in Pakistan are usually from privileged backgrounds, most of them probably live in a bubble cut off from the rest of society. I doubt they actually contribute much to Pakistan. The rest probably apply for visas abroad.

 

[ManFan]

I hope we do the exact opposite of this. Except for 1, 2, 6 and 7.

I can understand people's doubts about Sharia,etc but no education rehaul? Gwador Port? Workforce reminiscent that of Japan?

 

[ManFan]

Yes let us all go back to the Zia era by banning TV dramas and films..

That might have been going OTP. But I have seen long-term negative effects because of these dramas. When the majority of your people's only pass time is late night dramas that show bickering, scheming, and crying, what are those people gonna do? I have no problem with educational T.V. shows or entertainment ones that at-least have some lesson to be learned. It's the same nonsense over and over again and it has a detrimental effect on relatively uneducated masses. When is the last time you watched a Pakistani film or movie (nationally televised) that you sat back at the end and said, " Wow, I learned a-lot from that ". If you want to implement education, you have to go full throttle, not half a$$ it. And trust me, I am not a fan of Zia or any Pakistani politician.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That might have been going OTP. But I have seen long-term negative effects because of these dramas. When the majority of your people's only pass time is late night dramas that show bickering, scheming, and crying, what are those people gonna do? I have no problem with educational T.V. shows or entertainment ones that at-least have some lesson to be learned. It's the same nonsense over and over again and it has a detrimental effect on relatively uneducated masses. When is the last time you watched a Pakistani film or movie (nationally televised) that you sat back at the end and said, " Wow, I learned a-lot from that ". If you want to implement education, you have to go full throttle, not half a$$ it. And trust me, I am not a fan of Zia or any Pakistani politician.

I don't know about the quality of Pakistani tv shows, but melodrama is usually a theme in tv entertainment everywhere. It certainly is in the western world, although we have more options available. If anything I would argue the greatest benefit of having a healthy entertainment industry is that it drives creativity and business. It seems to work well enough in western countries, in fact the USA probably makes billions from selling it's entertainment products across the globe.

 

[ManFan]

I don't know about the quality of Pakistani tv shows, but melodrama is usually a theme in tv entertainment everywhere. It certainly is in the western world, although we have more options available. If anything I would argue the greatest benefit of having a healthy entertainment industry is that it drives creativity and business. It seems to work well enough in western countries, in fact the USA probably makes billions from selling it's entertainment products across the globe.

Except in Pakistan, the only form of nationally televised entertainment are
1) Talk shows
2) Dramas
3) Stage Dramas
Apart from 3, the first two are neither entertaining or informative. Bhai, if you think the T.V. shows in Pakistan are
like those in Pakistan, you are sadly mistaken.See every T.V. show must revolve around a girl, a boy, a Machiavellian aunt or mother-in-law standing in their way, and 75-100 episodes of half-hour or 30 episodes of hour-long shows of seeing the girl cry and fall into the traps. Than magically, at the end, everything goes well for her.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Except in Pakistan, the only form of nationally televised entertainment are
1) Talk shows
2) Dramas
3) Stage Dramas
Apart from 3, the first two are neither entertaining or informative. Bhai, if you think the T.V. shows in Pakistan are
like those in Pakistan, you are sadly mistaken.See every T.V. show must revolve around a girl, a boy, a Machiavellian aunt or mother-in-law standing in their way, and 75-100 episodes of half-hour or 30 episodes of hour-long shows of seeing the girl cry and fall into the traps. Than magically, at the end, everything goes well for her.

Isn't that because of the restrictions due to censorship?

 

[ManFan]

Isn't that because of the restrictions due to censorship?

Censorship is more physical and verbal restrictions. Not creativity. Dramas ( current ) are a cheap garbage formula that people eat up. That's why I say ban them or at least revise television to be more educational, whatever that may be, whether religious or scientific, doesn't matter. What happens when the " educated " children go home and watch T.V? Or those at home? Would it make for a healthy environment? If you want change, it has to be ground up, in everything.

 

[Syed1]

I can understand people's doubts about Sharia,etc but no education rehaul? Gwador Port? Workforce reminiscent that of Japan?

You are talking about communism which as we have seen time and again never works (with the exception of China).

Education rehaul is the need of the hour, but you are saying send all kids home till the government builds a new education system from scratch...

Just have the Urdu or English Medium system but drastically improve it, perhaps take inspiration from the O/A Levels system which IMO isn't too bad and far better than what kids in North America go through.

Gwadar Port is Gwadar port because of China's interest in it. Pakistan's trade volume is minuscule and the two Karachi ports are more than enough to handle all of Pakistan's load. Infact we need to encourage more Chinese investment in Gwadar... I wouldn't even mind leasing out large chunks of it to China similar to Hong Kong arrangement with the British.


Japanese or German workforce is diligent and hardworking not because of the government policies but the German/Japanese people. Pakistanis are renowned for being procrastinators or as they say in Urdu... naysti, no government can make people hard working. That being said when push comes to shove there aren't many in the world who work as hard as Pakistanis.

 

[ManFan]

You are talking about communism which as we have seen time and again never works (with the exception of China).

Education rehaul is the need of the hour, but you are saying send all kids home till the government builds a new education system from scratch...

Just have the Urdu or English Medium system but drastically improve it, perhaps take inspiration from the O/A Levels system which IMO isn't too bad and far better than what kids in North America go through.

Gwadar Port is Gwadar port because of China's interest in it. Pakistan's trade volume is minuscule and the two Karachi ports are more than enough to handle all of Pakistan's load. Infact we need to encourage more Chinese investment in Gwadar... I wouldn't even mind leasing out large chunks of it to China similar to Hong Kong arrangement with the British.


Japanese or German workforce is diligent and hardworking not because of the government policies but the German/Japanese people. Pakistanis are renowned for being procrastinators or as they say in Urdu... naysti, no government can make people hard working. That being said when push comes to shove there aren't many in the world who work as hard as Pakistanis.

That's what I was trying to convey about Japan/workforce. Thanks for the Gwadar Port information.
I still disagree about having Urdu/English Mediums because it creates confusion and leaves too far a gap.
I don't know what you are referring communism to?

 

[ManFan]

To elaborate on " sending kids home ", one good thing Castro did was improve education level ( along with universal health care ). The Literacy Campaign of 61' improved within 1-2 years the literacy rate from between 60 and 76% to 96%. By 1986, almost 100% of children between 6-12 were enrolled in school. What was the result? Besides UNESCO sending Castro thank-you notes, Cuba became one of the largest and leading nations in medicine. The Campaign required volunteers between the ages of 10-19 to teach kids in rural areas of basic skills and schooling. You can search the entire setup online. I don't mean stop education as a shutdown for one year but while the new system is being created, use the opportunity to teach basic reading and math skills to the larger population. I am not a fan of Communism either so don't get any ideas [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] bhaijee.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

That might have been going OTP. But I have seen long-term negative effects because of these dramas. When the majority of your people's only pass time is late night dramas that show bickering, scheming, and crying, what are those people gonna do? I have no problem with educational T.V. shows or entertainment ones that at-least have some lesson to be learned. It's the same nonsense over and over again and it has a detrimental effect on relatively uneducated masses. When is the last time you watched a Pakistani film or movie (nationally televised) that you sat back at the end and said, " Wow, I learned a-lot from that ". If you want to implement education, you have to go full throttle, not half a$$ it. And trust me, I am not a fan of Zia or any Pakistani politician.

It is the same in all countries that is why it is called ENTERTAINMENT.
Our Film Industry is finally reviving and steps like these will only be a victory for the mullah mindset

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

lol just had a good laugh at this comment!!!
Yes do we want to take Pakistan 10 steps back ?

Some points to improve would be

Elect better leaders (moot point but one can hope) Decide between leaders that believe in promoting religious intolerance or better economic development.

Invest in youth and better education

Promote more tourism which leads to more foreigners visiting which in turn opens up more investment

Ensure the right deals are negotiated for cpec which ensure Pakistan is getting value and not the other way around where the Chinese are just sucking Pakistan raw materials out for its own gain.

Stop the flow of refugees from Afghanistan into the country. This has hurt Pakistan big time.

Better relationship with India where there is mutual economic trade which leads to everyone winning.

This is all what we need!

Also promote our film industry that was the 5th largest in the world in the 60s and a great source of entertainment,tolerance and revenue..good to see it reviving now alhumdulillah

 

[ManFan]

It is the same in all countries that is why it is called ENTERTAINMENT.
Our Film Industry is finally reviving and steps like these will only be a victory for the mullah mindset

Film industry is in a revival but what is that revival? Mein Punjab Nahi Jaugi? Is this a revival? If you want entertainment revival, it should not only be in terms of monetary gain. It should be intellectual or thought provoking as well. American T.V. like The Sopranos is greater than any form of " entertainment " Pakistan has produced in the last God knows how many years. See, the problem is when people believe in either total ban or total freedom. A well functioning society cannot have both as we have seen in U.S.S.R and Athens ( or U.S.). The mullahs are complete and utter frauds. What they do is eat halwa, grow a beard, wear a turban, and call for bans on things which do not even go in coherence with Islam. T.V. like any other technological outlet is a great tool but is used for the wrong purposes. Just close your eyes and imagine a world where a child coming home from school, eats dinner, and watches T.V. to find educationally fun or entertaining yet stimulating intellectual shows. You know what that child is going to do? He's going to tell his friends at school of that show. Now, would you want that show or movie to be Mein Punjab Nahi Jaungi or Bill Nye The Science Guy?

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

That might have been going OTP. But I have seen long-term negative effects because of these dramas. When the majority of your people's only pass time is late night dramas that show bickering, scheming, and crying, what are those people gonna do? I have no problem with educational T.V. shows or entertainment ones that at-least have some lesson to be learned. It's the same nonsense over and over again and it has a detrimental effect on relatively uneducated masses. When is the last time you watched a Pakistani film or movie (nationally televised) that you sat back at the end and said, " Wow, I learned a-lot from that ". If you want to implement education, you have to go full throttle, not half a$$ it. And trust me, I am not a fan of Zia or any Pakistani politician.

Not everything should be educative and informative..

We have had many good movies in that aspect too like Moor,Bol that highlighted the evils in our society
Good documentary movie like Manto are also being made.

Banning all these will only be a victory for the mullah and Zia mindset

 

[ManFan]

Not everything should be educative and informative..

We have had many good movies in that aspect too like Moor,Bol that highlighted the evils in our society
Good documentary movie like Manto are also being made.

Banning all these will only be a victory for the mullah and Zia mindset

I don't want a complete ban. Those movies you mentioned all carried either an educational or informative goal.

 

[Syed1]

Not everything should be educative and informative..

We have had many good movies in that aspect too like Moor,Bol that highlighted the evils in our society
Good documentary movie like Manto are also being made.

Banning all these will only be a victory for the mullah and Zia mindset

Imagine we can go and remove Bhutto and Zia from our history. Bhutto because he was the main architect that led to the succession of the Eastern wing, he also nationalized our education system and put matric fail gaon dehati as teachers that destroyed an entire generation. Zia then came in and tried to take us back to the middle ages.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Separate religion and governance, all that needs to be done to save Pakistan. As of now, our sole motive should be to save Pakistan because the way things are going, the motherland has becoming a melting pot of radical extremists dawning the veil of religion and terrorizing the country.

 

[ManFan]

Separate religion and governance, all that needs to be done to save Pakistan. As of now, our sole motive should be to save Pakistan because the way things are going, the motherland has becoming a melting pot of radical extremists dawning the veil of religion and terrorizing the country.

LOL, it's supposed to be an Islamic Republic. It's not Islamic or a Republic! The great torture of being a Pakistani is your country is supposed to be the perfect blend of state and religion but it is neither at the end.

 

[ManFan]

Pakistan is a failed state. I'm sorry but that is the truth. It's the bitter and harsh truth. The sad thing is it is the people who have let themselves down. They are emotional and denial. They confine themselves to one party and that is the end of their affairs as far as politics are concerned. The best remedy is education but that will take a few good years to be so. Two things need to be removed from Pakistan for it to succeed
1) Bhook
2) Jihalat

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan is a failed state. I'm sorry but that is the truth. It's the bitter and harsh truth. The sad thing is it is the people who have let themselves down. They are emotional and denial. They confine themselves to one party and that is the end of their affairs as far as politics are concerned. The best remedy is education but that will take a few good years to be so.

Sir only two posts ago you were suggest Zia-esque policies of banning tv and free expression

 

[ManFan]

Sir only two posts ago you were suggest Zia-esque policies of banning tv and free expression

I then stated a ban on nonsensical programs such as current T.V. Dramas. When did I say free expression?

 

[last_knight]

Free, Fast, Fair Justice for everyone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

LOL, it's supposed to be an Islamic Republic. It's not Islamic or a Republic! The great torture of being a Pakistani is your country is supposed to be the perfect blend of state and religion but it is neither at the end.

This is where there is the disconnect, when you ask how to make Pakistan better, then it is subjective on the wishes of the population as far as I'm concerned. I like the western lifestyle so I would say follow their example, hence my earlier point about the value of entertainment, regardless of how silly it may seem. Let the viewers decide.

However, I don't live in Pakistan so if the people there want a more religious lifestyle then good luck to them. People judge success differently, if they want a Taliban lifestyle, who am I to tell them how to live? Not my concern.

 

[ManFan]

Free, Fast, Fair Justice for everyone.

Justice is Fair but neither free or fast.

 

[ManFan]

This is where there is the disconnect, when you ask how to make Pakistan better, then it is subjective on the wishes of the population as far as I'm concerned. I like the western lifestyle so I would say follow their example, hence my earlier point about the value of entertainment, regardless of how silly it may seem. Let the viewers decide.

However, I don't live in Pakistan so if the people there want a more religious lifestyle then good luck to them. People judge success differently, if they want a Taliban lifestyle, who am I to tell them how to live? Not my concern.

People only want that mindset because they see it as the alternative to the " Western evil of modernization " and " corruption " while their beloved folk are the same s**t but from a different toilet.

 

[yasir]

LOL, it's supposed to be an Islamic Republic. It's not Islamic or a Republic! The great torture of being a Pakistani is your country is supposed to be the perfect blend of state and religion but it is neither at the end.

This was the biggest misstep, you cannot pollute the constitution with religion, Bhutto did great injustice to the nation specially posing as a leftist, problem is Communist leftist were not true liberals, they just wanted to impose ideas of left,like guys from right do, forceful implementation, that's part of the reason they did not last long...

As I said Pakistan has huge cultural baggage, when you make country under the name of religion, you set a wrong precedent, its much harder to get rid of it, and build modern peaceful society, idols need to change, mindset need to change, pretty much a restart...I don't think nation has appetite for that, frankly nobody think there is anything wrong with society with religion on steriods, many are calling for Sharia to solve the problem. Problem is you are not getting results, no matter how you inject religion

 

[ManFan]

This was the biggest misstep, you cannot pollute the constitution with religion, Bhutto did great injustice to the nation specially posing as a leftist, problem is Communist leftist were not true liberals, they just wanted to impose ideas of left,like guys from right do, forceful implementation, that's part of the reason they did not last long...

As I said Pakistan has huge cultural baggage, when you make country under the name of religion, you set a wrong precedent, its much harder to get rid of it, and build modern peaceful society, idols need to change, mindset need to change, pretty much a restart...I don't think nation has appetite for that, frankly nobody think there is anything wrong with society with religion on steriods, many are calling for Sharia to solve the problem. Problem is you are not getting results, no matter how you inject religion

No, the problem is the incorrect use of religion for personal and political gain. When Islam says to give women equality why were they not given the right to drive until last month? When Islam says to respect and not kill innocents why are minorities killed and butchered?
ANSWER: The same reason Jews, Homosexuals, Protestants, Communists, were killed in Nazi Germany. To consolidate power and control by the few over the many. All belief systems ( religious ) advocate peace and love but their followers don't? Why?
ANSWER: They want to push their agenda under the veil of their belief system.
If you think religion is the cause of Pakistan's suffering than realize that Soviet Russia did not have any religion either and we all know how that turned out. Power always finds a place to stay despite the numerous changes surrounding it.

 

[yasir]

No, the problem is the incorrect use of religion for personal and political gain. When Islam says to give women equality why were they not given the right to drive until last month? When Islam says to respect and not kill innocents why are minorities killed and butchered?
ANSWER: The same reason Jews, Homosexuals, Protestants, Communists, were killed in Nazi Germany. To consolidate power and control by the few over the many. All belief systems ( religious ) advocate peace and love but their followers don't? Why?
ANSWER: They want to push their agenda under the veil of their belief system.
If you think religion is the cause of Pakistan's suffering than realize that Soviet Russia did not have any religion either and we all know how that turned out. Power always finds a place to stay despite the numerous changes surrounding it.

First of all, according to Islamic Sharia law, women are not equal to men in the eyes of justice system. Most Sharia interpretation(if not all) has 2:1 ratio of women to men as an eye witness account. Inheritance is 3:1(if I am not mistaken). Men are protector of women, all these religious principle and laws point to what is reflected in society for 1000+ years in Muslim culture, not something corrupt individual invented...

You just cannot blame men's corruption as an individual act, their corruption is fully supported by male chauvinist religions. Same way Christianity was in-bed with Black Slavery for centuries or Hindu religion supporting Cast system for centuries...You cannot blame this on people and save the religious ideology who was consistently endorsing those idols, their needs to be an honest conversation about these idols, rather than saving then from scrutiny, what is the point of changing the envelop, keeping the rotten engine

BTW: Almost all of the Scandinavian states has Atheists as majority. Most of the Western European states have separated religion from state affairs, they have attain high living standards, higher education and very just society. Rise of Secular and Atheists in every society is considered sign of higher education level and more open and just society, unless it was from Communist era(which is waning out and not the something as western liberals)... These are also idols of Pakistan's now favorite son IK, who has hard time now going back to those liberal ideas...Most states have prosperous when they stick to more open and liberal society, let conservative earn and compete with liberals, not a free ride like they had in most Muslim societies :

 

[yasir]

^ Also, if Islamic or any religion is so easy to twist, the people have to be moral and just first then what's the point of religion then?

When you design a system based on specification, if that specifications are too hard to implement or too vague(not specific), you go back and develop new specifications, because those are not helping... That's why we evolve(or continue to improve) pretty much everything, no matter how good the original specs are they need improvements...

This whole argument that Islam is right but implementations are wrong and somehow all extremists who go by literal interpretations end up in th same place does raise question about the core idols...At the same time conservatives do not want to discuss the core with liberals in honest and intellectual manner. There entire focus is imposing by force...This is 21th Century not 7th, you are not building society of sheeps

 

[ManFan]

First of all, according to Islamic Sharia law, women are not equal to men in the eyes of justice system. Most Sharia interpretation(if not all) has 2:1 ratio of women to men as an eye witness account. Inheritance is 3:1(if I am not mistaken). Men are protector of women, all these religious principle and laws point to what is reflected in society for 1000+ years in Muslim culture, not something corrupt individual invented...

You just cannot blame men's corruption as an individual act, their corruption is fully supported by male chauvinist religions. Same way Christianity was in-bed with Black Slavery for centuries or Hindu religion supporting Cast system for centuries...You cannot blame this on people and save the religious ideology who was consistently endorsing those idols, their needs to be an honest conversation about these idols, rather than saving then from scrutiny, what is the point of changing the envelop, keeping the rotten engine

BTW: Almost all of the Scandinavian states has Atheists as majority. Most of the Western European states have separated religion from state affairs, they have attain high living standards, higher education and very just society. Rise of Secular and Atheists in every society is considered sign of higher education level and more open and just society, unless it was from Communist era(which is waning out and not the something as western liberals)... These are also idols of Pakistan's now favorite son IK, who has hard time now going back to those liberal ideas...Most states have prosperous when they stick to more open and liberal society, let conservative earn and compete with liberals, not a free ride like they had in most Muslim societies :

Islam was the first belief system to give women rights of inheritance, prohibited burying of infant girls, encourages women to study and learn ( 3:195 ) and the oldest library in the world was found by a Muslim woman , and the Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. was considered a feminist in his day. This is all information you can find online. Men are protector of women, is it not for the protection of women or subjugation of women? Tell me in the ideal of the text. The Scandinavian countries lead in health care and education but are not world leaders in affairs. U.S.A. and other " secular " nations are not secular. The U.S. is predominately Protestant and if a minority is made leader than the Bible Belt will erupt. As I mentioned before, the president has to swear on the Bible when taking oath for office.

 

[ManFan]

Religious societies lag behind " secular " nations because they have internal conflicts that are more political and economic like Pakistan. As I've said before, nations that pride themselves on religion often fall into the pit of having uneducated masses to ensure questioning of those in power is not taken place. That is not what RELIGION least of all ISLAM allows.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Education (both religious and worldly) and fulfillment of basic needs.

When less than 50% of population is illiterate and almost 40%+ population is living in poverty then talks of social change, constitution overhaul and change in mindsets disappears when either one of roti, kaprra, makaan is missing.

Following changes will do a world of good to Pakistan:
1) Ration card for poor to eliminate food crisis forever.
2) Free education till Intermediate level atleast.
3) Qualified teachers and elimination of quota system.
4) Fully-merit based education system with exception for minorities and/or underprivileged children.
5) All death sentences to be upheld immediately to shut cases and ease the pipeline. Deadlines of upto one year to be added to every case in lower courts.
6) NAB to be abolished and then established with a new name with relevant and reliable staff hired.
7) All convicts, suspects and criminals to be named in ECL with no exceptions AT ALL under any circumstances.

 

[Syed1]

Do you actually live in Pakistan currently? It would be useful to know so I could get an idea of whether you are in tune with the ground realities there and the solutions to problems you are talking about.

Highly ironic that you keep driving home the point what's happening in Pakistan is none of your business but you have been posting non-stop on a Pakistani forum for the better part of eight years and even on this thread you have third most number of posts after Zia-loyalist ManFan and myself (OP). Seems to be a disconnect in what you are saying and what you are doing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Highly ironic that you keep driving home the point what's happening in Pakistan is none of your business but you have been posting non-stop on a Pakistani forum for the better part of eight years and even on this thread you have third most number of posts after Zia-loyalist ManFan and myself (OP). Seems to be a disconnect in what you are saying and what you are doing.

Where's the disconnect? I can offer an opinion, but I make it clear that's all it is, and I make it clear that my view as an outsider isn't one that can decide the fate of the country. Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[babajee]

Education, CPEC and Imran Khan

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan is a failed state. I'm sorry but that is the truth. It's the bitter and harsh truth. The sad thing is it is the people who have let themselves down. They are emotional and denial. They confine themselves to one party and that is the end of their affairs as far as politics are concerned. The best remedy is education but that will take a few good years to be so. Two things need to be removed from Pakistan for it to succeed
1) Bhook
2) Jihalat

Yes

The fastest growing economy in the muslim world
The only nuclear power in the muslim world
The country among top ten largest armed forces
One of the largest democracies(Post 2010 amendment)
Country with a rich history in cricket,hockey,snooker,squash etc
First Muslim country to be led by a woman from a minority sect.

is a FAILED country?

STRANGE.....

'bhook'and 'jihalat' do not sum up everything

Poverty has reduced drastically in Pakistan from 52% to 39% in the last 10 years..

Literacy rate has gone up from 48 in 1998 to 62 in 2013

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Film industry is in a revival but what is that revival? Mein Punjab Nahi Jaugi? Is this a revival? If you want entertainment revival, it should not only be in terms of monetary gain. It should be intellectual or thought provoking as well. American T.V. like The Sopranos is greater than any form of " entertainment " Pakistan has produced in the last God knows how many years. See, the problem is when people believe in either total ban or total freedom. A well functioning society cannot have both as we have seen in U.S.S.R and Athens ( or U.S.). The mullahs are complete and utter frauds. What they do is eat halwa, grow a beard, wear a turban, and call for bans on things which do not even go in coherence with Islam. T.V. like any other technological outlet is a great tool but is used for the wrong purposes. Just close your eyes and imagine a world where a child coming home from school, eats dinner, and watches T.V. to find educationally fun or entertaining yet stimulating intellectual shows. You know what that child is going to do? He's going to tell his friends at school of that show. Now, would you want that show or movie to be Mein Punjab Nahi Jaungi or Bill Nye The Science Guy?

So what else should he watch Harry met Sejal?

Moor,Bol,Manto etc are all great films and most Pakistan films released post 2008 have better ratings than 97% of Bollywood movies released in the same time.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Imagine we can go and remove Bhutto and Zia from our history. Bhutto because he was the main architect that led to the succession of the Eastern wing, he also nationalized our education system and put matric fail gaon dehati as teachers that destroyed an entire generation. Zia then came in and tried to take us back to the middle ages.

How I wish Fatima Jinnah won the elections in 1965 and these idiots were not born..

We would have been as strong as China and India today with East Pakistan on our side.

 

[Syed1]

Yes

The fastest growing economy in the muslim world
The only nuclear power in the muslim world
The country among top ten largest armed forces
One of the largest democracies(Post 2010 amendment)
Country with a rich history in cricket,hockey,snooker,squash etc
First Muslim country to be led by a woman from a minority sect.

is a FAILED country?

STRANGE.....

'bhook'and 'jihalat' do not sum up everything

Poverty has reduced drastically in Pakistan from 52% to 39% in the last 10 years..

Literacy rate has gone up from 48 in 1998 to 62 in 2013

If we are restricting ourselves to just Muslim countries then that shows how far we have fallen behind. Heck Pakistan had the potential to be like South Korea... yet we are happy at being better than the likes of Libya, Syria


In any case... all is not lost, Inshallah Immy will win in 2018 and set us on the right path.

 

[Pakpak]

Separate religion and governance, all that needs to be done to save Pakistan. As of now, our sole motive should be to save Pakistan because the way things are going, the motherland has becoming a melting pot of radical extremists dawning the veil of religion and terrorizing the country.

100% agree. This would solve a lot of problems. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] 's list was good as well.

 

[Pakistanian]

Mullahs shouldn't be allowed on pakistani tv, there should be law prohibiting any mullah or socalled scholar to appear on tv. Since people on tv and people that watch are haraamis according to them, then they can stay off of it and let the haraamis enjoy.

 

[ManFan]

Yes

The fastest growing economy in the muslim world
The only nuclear power in the muslim world
The country among top ten largest armed forces
One of the largest democracies(Post 2010 amendment)
Country with a rich history in cricket,hockey,snooker,squash etc
First Muslim country to be led by a woman from a minority sect.

is a FAILED country?

STRANGE.....

'bhook'and 'jihalat' do not sum up everything

Poverty has reduced drastically in Pakistan from 52% to 39% in the last 10 years..

Literacy rate has gone up from 48 in 1998 to 62 in 2013

Pakistan set 500 world records in 2016 I believe yet if you ask the general population, they will tell you the government has failed them. It's failed in the sense to become the vision of Jinnah and Iqbal because it's government yells Allah but bows down to others.

 

[ManFan]

So what else should he watch Harry met Sejal?

Moor,Bol,Manto etc are all great films and most Pakistan films released post 2008 have better ratings than 97% of Bollywood movies released in the same time.

And I replied to him those movies were educational, had a purpose and or vision, and were fine.

 

[StreetSmart]

Youth and qualified politicians (not Ghunda, Mullah, sharif or Zardari messed up Youth)

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

If we are restricting ourselves to just Muslim countries then that shows how far we have fallen behind. Heck Pakistan had the potential to be like South Korea... yet we are happy at being better than the likes of Libya, Syria


In any case... all is not lost, Inshallah Immy will win in 2018 and set us on the right path.

Yes all is not lost and Pakistan is listed among the next 11 and is predicted to be a very strong country by 2050

If we have a good leader like IK we can achieve such targets earlier

 

[Sirris]

I believe in baby steps, gradual change and leading by example. Radical changes are only going to be short lived and cause huge resistance.

The very first thing on my to do list is clean the country. It's so dirty that I shame myself. Pani mein duub marne wali baat.

In order to keep the country clean I would introduce a system and spread guidelines on how to dispose the household waste. At the same time I would hire beggars and poor people, give them the proper clothes, equipment and infrastructure to get rid of the current mess. This would create new jobs. I want to see every street, every road and every village cleaned up.

My list is long and in progress but I hope to keep it practical. Some of the other main issues on my list are:

- no regional bias

- public scrutiny. (this one is HUGE)

- develop a system which guarantees that everybody keeps each other in check and accountable.

- make it easier for the victim to get his justice and hard for the criminal to get away with his crimes.

-make the country attractive for tourism. The nature has already given us huge potential we just need proper infrastructure, marketing and management. I would build new road on far across areas so that it won't be a death ride.

I believe that the solution isn't a change of a politician or the right people coming to power. The whole attitude and way of thinking of the nation as a whole has to change.

At the moment I am nowhere near implementing my ideas and have to first properly manage my own life. But I do hope that the beloved country is still in one piece when I come to its rescue. That's my only fear, that the incompetent people in charge might make the situation so bad in the future that it won't be worth it.

 

[Sirris]

The state needs to modernize the country by force, like what Ataturk and Stalin did but without the violence of course. Radical change is gonna need radical measures. If you wanna take on the mullahs then you gotta outrage them, shove everything that makes them burn, in their face. I call it shock therapy.

I would call this delusional, short-sighted, self-destructive, void of any rationale and a pipe dream.

With such an approach violence would be just around the corner. Stalin's approached "worked" due to violence and not in spite of violence.

We are living in different times now, in a different country and with a different history.

Look at Turkey now and you will see why such a approach isnt for long-term.

I'd handle such issues with public scrutiny, a change of attitude through proper education and take it step by step at a gradual pace. Everything worthwhile requires hard work and patience.

You are only going to fall on your head if you rush it.

 

[Syed1]

I believe in baby steps, gradual change and leading by example. Radical changes are only going to be short lived and cause huge resistance.

The very first thing on my to do list is clean the country. It's so dirty that I shame myself. Pani mein duub marne wali baat.

In order to keep the country clean I would introduce a system and spread guidelines on how to dispose the household waste. At the same time I would hire beggars and poor people, give them the proper clothes, equipment and infrastructure to get rid of the current mess. This would create new jobs. I want to see every street, every road and every village cleaned up.

My list is long and in progress but I hope to keep it practical. Some of the other main issues on my list are:

- no regional bias

- public scrutiny. (this one is HUGE)

- develop a system which guarantees that everybody keeps each other in check and accountable.

- make it easier for the victim to get his justice and hard for the criminal to get away with his crimes.

-make the country attractive for tourism. The nature has already given us huge potential we just need proper infrastructure, marketing and management. I would build new road on far across areas so that it won't be a death ride.

I believe that the solution isn't a change of a politician or the right people coming to power. The whole attitude and way of thinking of the nation as a whole has to change.

At the moment I am nowhere near implementing my ideas and have to first properly manage my own life. But I do hope that the beloved country is still in one piece when I come to its rescue. That's my only fear, that the incompetent people in charge might make the situation so bad in the future that it won't be worth it.

You start off well and say that radical changes only have short lived effect and things go back to normal, but initiating emergency cleaning of the entire country is just that, a radical change, a year after the cleaning is stopped things will go back to the way they were.


On the flip side if the local government is given sufficient power and resources, with great deal of checks and balances then the garbage situation will improve on its own. A simple thing like wall-chalking. I don't know where you live but every public wall in Karachi is littered with ugly wall-chalking. How hard is it to catch these people? They have their freaking cell number on there.

This is all due to lack of rule of law. Bring rule of law, bring justice in the society, bring competent local governments and these issues will vanish.

 

[Sirris]

You start off well and say that radical changes only have short lived effect and things go back to normal, but initiating emergency cleaning of the entire country is just that, a radical change, a year after the cleaning is stopped things will go back to the way they were.


On the flip side if the local government is given sufficient power and resources, with great deal of checks and balances then the garbage situation will improve on its own. A simple thing like wall-chalking. I don't know where you live but every public wall in Karachi is littered with ugly wall-chalking. How hard is it to catch these people? They have their freaking cell number on there.

This is all due to lack of rule of law. Bring rule of law, bring justice in the society, bring competent local governments and these issues will vanish.

Yes the country would need to be cleaned up as soon as possible. As I said it would be a system and create new jobs. Which means it would not just be simple neighborhood clean up project like "roti kapra aur makan" but a real industry. Yes in the beginning a quick clean up would needed since I can't stand the dirt but the jobs sector. Since it is a big country and the job doesn't require much education I can imagine finding enough people for the job.

For example among other things I am thinking about bi-weekly or monthly garbage vans going through the neighborhood and collecting people's garbage which is then brought to a "garbage house" where the recycable stuff will be filtered and the rest of the garbage would be disposed appropriately. All this requires proper maintenance and management.

There would be proper dustbins everywhere in the public area so no one would have any excuse left to litter. And these dustbins would be emptied on regular basis which against requires proper workforce.

In the school the kids would be taught about the importance of proper garbage disposal and would be taught to respect others. Such that someone working as garbagemen wouldn't be belittled by the society rather I'd hope the one who throws an empty can of soda out of his car would feel shame and guilt.

It could be under the government's control or private. I don't care.

 

[humzy]

The educated and rational kids in Pakistan are usually from privileged backgrounds, most of them probably live in a bubble cut off from the rest of society. I doubt they actually contribute much to Pakistan. The rest probably apply for visas abroad.

I don't mean create a bubble of rich kids, I mean educate an entire generation of kids, rich, poor it doesn't matter. This will not create a bubble but a wave that will swoop over the whole country when they come to an adult age and go into the workforce/politics etc

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

A Private Cancellation Force run and managed by true patriots that might give lifelong lessons to everyone involved (Army, Political parties (PML, PPP, MQM, PTI - Every single party is corrupt), Mullahs et al.)

Death Penalty on Corruption charges if holding public office.

If Pakistan is to move forward 2 million people from the top brass, elites, politicians, landowners, Waderas, Patwaris, bureaucrats, generals, soon to be generals, aspiring soon to be generals, all party leaders, Religious Party leaders, Mullahs et al need to be eradicated from the ground up.

That is the only way I see a viable solution. I know this is way too much bloodshed but unless and until someone does something like this things will most probably not get better!

 

[TheInaudibleParadox]

I have a feeling that the country will not recover without some sort of bloodshed.

 

[yasir]

I don't mean create a bubble of rich kids, I mean educate an entire generation of kids, rich, poor it doesn't matter. This will not create a bubble but a wave that will swoop over the whole country when they come to an adult age and go into the workforce/politics etc

Million dollar question is how?? - Its not like countries don't want to educate their population, problem is its not free, you need money, lots of it to educate the masses...

Some countries (the welfare ones) like Japan, Korea, Germany, Northern Europeans have done that after 2nd WW, mostly from scratch, one thing common among them is that, almost all of them have outsource defense to countries like US. All their energies are spend on Social development...Korea back in 1960s, took Pakistan "Paanch Sala Munsaba" and look where they are, we went the other route and become a National Security State, you cannot have both at the same time, its very hard, only Super Powers can do that, even at times they struggle...Again you have to make choices as a nation(like in life), you have to focus on few things at a time, Do we want to be a welfare state or National Security State, so far we have choose to be the later one, unfortunately that was not bet, 21st Century is more about Social development than military, Communist Countries died down, because of too much focus on Military development...

 

[msb314]

Will state the obvious ones first:

1) Education - education system up until 12th grade is still decent but would like to see a greater emphasis on geography, English, business/economics as part of the core curriculum. However, MUST improve the teaching standards throughout the country - cannot rely on Beaconhouse, KGS, Aitchinson etc. to produce our best students. Definitely need more high quality schools and hige investment in public education.

2) Abolish madrassas ASAP!! Promote islamic education within the public/private school core curriculum

3) Legitimize the economy and force street vendors and mom and pop stores to officially register themselves and pay state taxes. We have too many "entrepreneurs" who do business illegally and pay no taxes to the government.

4) Promote public transportation - esp in the big cities. Heard about the metro line which is good but would like to see higher quality of public buses that are safe and easy to use for everyone.

5) Continue to promote foreign investment - esp the manufacturing and service sector in Pakistan. Glad to see Volvo, Toyota, Fiat all having established a manufacturing footprint in Pakistan but need to continue to do more. Hope to see the likes of GM, Ford, Mercedes, Caterpillar, Cummins, John Deere also establish themselves in Pakistan one day. Heard management consulting firms like McKinsey and BCG have offices in Karachi but not sure.

 

[Hamza_]

-Focus on making people learn skills rather than telling them to die for the country (not making them emotional extremists)
-Provide education system that develops skills in people rather than producing low quality engineers and accountants
-Abolish the culture of fascination with degree system and open up learning centers of different sorts and encourage development of different skills
-Better security system
-Develop northern and less developed areas
-Encourage competition and technical innovation, establish exports
-Bring cultural change and make people learn about hardwork and long term goals rather than short term

 

[aloo paratha]

Most suggestions from people are good, but the first thing Pakistan needs, is an honest, passionate leader. Without one, nothing will change.

 

[Syed1]

Most suggestions from people are good, but the first thing Pakistan needs, is an honest, passionate leader. Without one, nothing will change.

You are much wiser beyond your years and have good understanding of wide range of topics which even 30-40 year old babay don't have. Case in point the Nooras on this forum.

 

[aloo paratha]

You are much wiser beyond your years and have good understanding of wide range of topics which even 30-40 year old babay don't have. Case in point the Nooras on this forum.

Thanks. I try to have a balanced view on things.

By the way, what is a Noora? I'm guessing it's a Nawaz Sharif supporter?

 

[humzy]

Million dollar question is how?? - Its not like countries don't want to educate their population, problem is its not free, you need money, lots of it to educate the masses...

Some countries (the welfare ones) like Japan, Korea, Germany, Northern Europeans have done that after 2nd WW, mostly from scratch, one thing common among them is that, almost all of them have outsource defense to countries like US. All their energies are spend on Social development...Korea back in 1960s, took Pakistan "Paanch Sala Munsaba" and look where they are, we went the other route and become a National Security State, you cannot have both at the same time, its very hard, only Super Powers can do that, even at times they struggle...Again you have to make choices as a nation(like in life), you have to focus on few things at a time, Do we want to be a welfare state or National Security State, so far we have choose to be the later one, unfortunately that was not bet, 21st Century is more about Social development than military, Communist Countries died down, because of too much focus on Military development...

Nothing great comes easy, it has been done before so it is definitely possible.
How? I don't know, i guess you could start with an establishment that is actually driven to educate its youth rather then keep them dumbed down in order to keep the corruption going.

 

[ManFan]

How Pakistan would get better? Start with ourselves for a change. Don’t ask a school chairman for sifarish for our nilak bache. Don’t complain about politics if you don’t vote.

 

[ManFan]

Highly ironic that you keep driving home the point what's happening in Pakistan is none of your business but you have been posting non-stop on a Pakistani forum for the better part of eight years and even on this thread you have third most number of posts after Zia-loyalist ManFan and myself (OP). Seems to be a disconnect in what you are saying and what you are doing.

Just saw this. Zia-loyalist would not be an appropriate term to describe my political views. I’m still developing them. But every leader has good and bad actions. Normally what you want is for the good to outweigh the bad.
I’ll use FDR as an example:
Good: Pretty much helped save the U.S for economic collapse by implementing government plans.
Bad: Angel Island, let the Industrial Military Complex get away and thrive.
I wasn’t alive when Zia was in Marshall Law but his bad outweighs the good. You see what I have noticed is people vehemently defend one leader or ideology and not recognise their faults. Take Muhammad Ali or Christopher Hitchens as examples. Both were extraordinary men but people act as if they were flawless. Only by analysing their faults can you recognise their true achievements. So for the sake of Pakistanis around the world, I just want us to not focus blindly on one leader or party and see people as labels.

 

[yasir]

Nothing great comes easy, it has been done before so it is definitely possible.
How? I don't know, i guess you could start with an establishment that is actually driven to educate its youth rather then keep them dumbed down in order to keep the corruption going.

Masses control how culture is shaped, what is important. For now two most important things in Pakistani culture is Islam and national security, you can put education and prosperity at top, but that is not what people of Pakistan wants...No leader is going to help you change that, change has to come from within society, if enough people think education is more important then religion, things will change. You don't have to wait for somebody else to make that decision for you...

 

[Ocelot]

1. First of all, we need an effective leader, someone like a Napoleon (in civil capacity). A leader that has the ability to cut through the red tape and get things done.

The qualities that said leader should:

• -Ideally between the age bracket of 35-45, someone who is willing to put 20 hours daily, and never demands a holiday in entire life.
• -Someone who commands respect, who can overpower others through his charisma and personality, and effectively present Pakistan's case in the world. Someone who can synergize Pakistani institution. In a stark contrast to someone like Nawaz Sharif.
• -Someone who is very development oriented, who never let the nation sit idle. Who is very proactive and has a command on all the development works that are going in the country, and never wastes time to initiate new ones on need basis.
• - Someone who is flexible on religious matters. Slowly but surely removes public obsession with religion. ' I'm a Mohammadan in Egypt, a Catholic in Vatican.'

2. Heavily invest in Balochistan and make it the agriculture engine of Pakistan. Spend billions of dollars on it and dig dozens of canals like the Kachi-Canal project.

3. Turn KPK, GB and AJK into multi-billion dollar tourist hubs. Establish high-end hotels there, trust me they will always be overcrowded. Massively upgrade Skardu airport.

4. Reform the education sector, instill creativity among the youth. Promote habits of reading extensively, apart from the textbook curricula. The most sophisticated people in life are those who read a lot, on every topic. Arrange many, many inter/intra-school and nationwide competitions (prestigious ones), extract their full potential. Competitions ranging from arts to sports. Destroy the notions of 'only engineer or doctor'. Promote arts and humanities as well.

5. Eradicate Bollywood and Indian television from the country. Make Pakistan's own film industry into a multi-billion dollar one. Establish a bank, which has at least a billion dollar in capital, which dish out loans to film makers on easy term.

6. Drastically increase the health budget and bring down the cost of cancer and liver related diseases. Meanwhile come into contract with friendly countries like Turkey who provide discounted services to patient. eliminate the need to go to India.

7. Encourage trade relations with India but discourage cultural contacts and p2p ties. Put Kashmir on back burner, it's a truck ki batti. Ideally turn LoC into International border. Fence the border with Afghanistan.